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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on February 07, 2015, 08:22:08 AM
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Nairobi, Kenya: Kabete MP George Muchai, his two bodyguards and a driver were early Saturday morning shot dead in cold blood at Kenyatta Avenue-Uhuru Highway roundabout in Nairobi.
The four were driving in a Toyota Fortuner vehicle when a masked gunman shot them at close range at about 2.30am. They all died on their seats save for one bodyguard who seemed to have died as he tried to step out.
Witnesses said they had stopped at the roundabout near Nyayo House to buy the day’s newspapers when a white salon Probox hit the vehicle on the right side and stopped few meters ahead.
It was then that a masked gunman armed with an AK-47 rifle stepped out and first shot the driver then turned to the rest of the victims. Muchai was a first time MP. He joined Parliament in the March 2013 elections on a TNA ticket.
The gunman fired about ten bullets before he went for two pistols that the bodyguards had and a briefcase that was in the car. Muchai’s gun was found on his holster. He was a licensed gun holder. Nairobi head of CID Nicholas Kamwende who was among the first top cops to arrive at the scene termed the incident as murder.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000150839/kabete-mp-george-muchai-shot-dead-in-city-centre
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This is a very talented shooter indeed. He managed to despatch the presumably armed bodyguards before they could even draw. This story is odd.
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No prizes for guessing that utumishi kwa wote won't hack this one either. They haven't in 50+ years.
I am impressed they are able to determine it was a homicide.
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I am still reading around it to fully understand.
First it is alleged that the probox drove ahead of them then blocked them. The probox occupants then sprayed the Muchai car killing him and his bodyguards.
That would mean the killers were done with the job and would then speed off. But then who made the bullet holes in the back of the car? Somebody suggests that the killers first hit Muchai at the back before taking out the rest. If they did, how come the driver took no defensive, evasive manoeuvres? I have taken training in such and one thing I know very well is the car behind is most vulnerable to the one it is trailing. There are many things one can do and flight is the last. However it does appear like Muchai's car surrendered. Did they think they are police? Why would the police stop that kind of big man car at night?
The standard has a more detailed version. From reading it, I see a family feud behind all this.
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Kenya, is very unsafe.
Killing is becoming a way to settle scores.
These days they have cameras on every street. They light your car as you pass.
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I am still reading around it to fully understand.
First it is alleged that the probox drove ahead of them then blocked them. The probox occupants then sprayed the Muchai car killing him and his bodyguards.
That would mean the killers were done with the job and would then speed off. But then who made the bullet holes in the back of the car? Somebody suggests that the killers first hit Muchai at the back before taking out the rest. If they did, how come the driver took no defensive, evasive manoeuvres? I have taken training in such and one thing I know very well is the car behind is most vulnerable to the one it is trailing. There are many things one can do and flight is the last. However it does appear like Muchai's car surrendered. Did they think they are police? Why would the police stop that kind of big man car at night?
The standard has a more detailed version. From reading it, I see a family feud behind all this.
It's an assassination.
Even though I have seen a few stories linking it to corruption in COTU. One would have to be an imbecile to think Atwoli killed this man.
The car was not sprayed with bullets. Rather they look like single shots from a sharpshooter. Not many of those outside specialized branches of the disciplined forces.
Given that it looks like the handiwork of a big man. The family might as well focus on moving on. They might want to ask Mutula jnr for tips.
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"No stone will be left unturned". The CID will ask people "record a statement". And then life will go on.
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Let's see GEMA/Jubirlee democracy in action
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And here is a witness fingering Somalis/al shabaab
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Vintage utumishi kwa wote. One can always count on them to cloud the issue rather than shed light on crimes of this type.
This level of incompetence requires a special effort to achieve. I don't believe a word in the stories from the women.
Kenya: Police have seized a car reportedly used by hooded gunmen during the killings of Kabete MP George Muchai, his two bodyguards and a driver. The white Toyota Spacio belongs to a female insurance executive, police said, but it emerged that they released the car without subjecting it to a thorough forensic analysis.
http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151327/police-recover-car-used-in-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal (http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151327/police-recover-car-used-in-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal)
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Looks like a great story. According to the women-owners, the criminals needed a powerful a car like a BMW for the mission. By way of getting one, they started by carjacking a Probox.
The women know this because
"... they spent almost six hours in the car's boot and they at one point heard gunshots at unspecified place within the city."
but they managed to observe some things at less unspecified places:
"From there, they drove towards Kikuyu and later headed back to Westlands. On Waiyaki Way, the gang tried to block a BMW but failed after the driver made a wrong turn and escaped, said one of the women."
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Looks like a great story. According to the women-owners, the criminals needed a powerful a car like a BMW for the mission. By way of getting one, they started by carjacking a Probox.
The women know this because
"... they spent almost six hours in the car's boot and they at one point heard gunshots at unspecified place within the city."
but they managed to observe some things at less unspecified places:
"From there, they drove towards Kikuyu and later headed back to Westlands. On Waiyaki Way, the gang tried to block a BMW but failed after the driver made a wrong turn and escaped, said one of the women."
I thought that was remarkable. The women were just glad to get their car back. No urge to pursue the matter further.
Looks like it's building up to a story in which the thugs will be caught and killed in a shootout even though they have no biometrics on them. Case closed.
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If someone told me that they'd been locked in a car-boot and driven around for hours, my first thought would be "how did you get out?". Here, neither the cops nor the reporters seem curious about that, and ladies do not seem particularly keen to volunteer that information.
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in such a corrupt system nobody can give a coherent story coz you never know where it may take you.... look at that eye witness - too excited to have his 15 minutes of fame- he knows this might change his fortunes for better thus says anything to make happy bored, sleepy police and journalists out for a scoop to close the matter in shortest time and move on
... those two women are also playing self preservation and are too happy to be alive like any other kenyan would be and have little concern for muchai justice
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do we have a database of finger prints to allow conclusive forensic analysis or do we have to arrest a suspect ..take fingerprints and compare with ones from crime scene ..would the gunmen wear masks and not wear gloves
And senior police officers at Kikuyu police station are now under investigation after they released the car to the owner on Sunday without conducting a thorough forensic analysis. This, police said, led to loss of evidence through fingerprints being erased which could have helped identify the killers.
Read more at: http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151327/police-recover-car-used-in-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal
abou the car...witness probox... police from cctv (or where did mercedes story come from) and now spacio
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@gout,
Given the way Yebei morphed from a rotting corpse into Yusuf the vagrant from Kaimosi. In record time. I have been running on the assumption that CID have ready access to a cutting edge fingerprint database.
That is why I concluded that this level of incompetence can only result from a special effort. Kenya police say the fingerprints have been lost. It is not clear how they can be so confident.
Note that they know who owns the car, but won't make a simple request to bring it in for dusting.
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Before you get carried away by HollyWood and Sherlock Holmes,
Here is a Spacio for you
https://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/japan%20car/toyota/corolla+spacio/15947455/
Now, please focus on the 'boot'
(http://img03.carview.co.jp/trade/img06/cars/702787/15947455/japan%20car/2005+toyota+corolla+spacio/20.jpg)
Getting out of that thing is as simple of jumping into the rear seat and opening the side doors as soon as the negroes are gone
If someone told me that they'd been locked in a car-boot and driven around for hours, my first thought would be "how did you get out?". Here, neither the cops nor the reporters seem curious about that, and ladies do not seem particularly keen to volunteer that information.
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The Mercedes came before the cctv. Still, I know one too many negroes who can't tell a Vitz from Fit. This is pretty useless information to all except car enthusiasts and of course traders.
Point is confusing car models is no proof of nothing
abou the car...witness probox... police from cctv (or where did mercedes story come from) and now spacio
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Stones are being turned at a furious pace. Between the leading papers and their police sources (who "cannot be identified because they are not authorized to speak to the media") we have a clear picture of what happened:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Camera-reveals-clues-on-city-killing-of-MP-/-/1056/2617532/-/ocot5g/-/index.html
"CCTV footage showed that the masked gunman who killed them drove away in a white Mercedes Benz with Ugandan registration plates"
The police acted swiftly and
"A group of detectives from the homicide department at the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) were dispatched to Kampala yesterday after failing to find the details of the original and current owners of the car in their Nairobi registries"
while on the ground:
"Another group of officers from the Flying Squad had from Saturday night conducted covert operations in the Asmara area of Huruma, where a car resembling the Benz had been seen."
But before getting the Mercedes, the criminals started in a Toyota Corolla:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/muchai-killed-car-jackers
"The gangsters were driving in a Toyota Corolla 110. It emerged yesterday that the carjackers had earlier robbed a middle-aged clinical officer at Ndeiya in Limuru and locked him up in the boot of his Toyota Corolla"
They then upgraded to a Spacio, which was also briefly a Probox:
"Police have seized a car reportedly used by hooded gunmen during the killings of Kabete MP George Muchai, his two bodyguards and a driver. The white Toyota Spacio ..."
And then, deciding that they needed a bigger car for their "mission", they tried to run down a BMW:
" On Waiyaki Way, the gang tried to block a BMW but failed after the driver made a wrong turn and escaped, said one of the women."
http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151327/police-recover-car-used-in-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal?articleID=2000151327&story_title=police-recover-car-used-in-george-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal&pageNo=1
Except that the BMW was actually a Mercedes:
"One of the women claimed that, at one point, they drove around a popular entertainment spot on Ojijo Road, where the criminals unsuccessfully attempted to attack a motorist in a Mercedes Benz who sped off."
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/muchai-killed-car-jackers
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Before you get carried away by HollyWood and Sherlock Holmes,
Here is a Spacio for you
https://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/japan%20car/toyota/corolla+spacio/15947455/
Now, please focus on the 'boot'
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Getting out of that thing is as simple of jumping into the rear seat and opening the side doors as soon as the negroes are gone
Yes, I can see the boot alright. Now, you focus on the bit about their tied up but still easily jumping out and opening the doors.
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A furious pace indeed. The media is more than happy to mindlessly parrot what they are being told by their sources. No questions asked.
We are now told that up to 4 people may have driven the car(the probox aka spacio aka Mercedes) that was used in the attack. In K24 Tv's opinion, that means it cannot be "credibly" dusted for fingerprints.
While there are those who can argue that fingerprints should nevertheless be dusted for and elimination used for "unknown" drivers, the detectives would rather let the media run with the story to its natural death.
While they will send people all the way to Kampala to look for a Mercedes registration. They are more than happy to let as many people as possible drive the spacio/probox in their backyard without as much as making a request to dust it.
While everybody knows Kenya police are an incompetent force. It is debatable whether they can be this incompetent without a special effort and dedication to bungle the investigations.
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Between the leading papers and their police sources (who "cannot be identified because they are not authorized to speak to the media") we have a clear picture of what happened.
The criminals carried out their operation in a white Mercedes:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Camera-reveals-clues-on-city-killing-of-MP-/-/1056/2617532/-/ocot5g/-/index.html
"CCTV footage showed that the masked gunman who killed them drove away in a white Mercedes Benz with Ugandan registration plates"
The police acted swiftly and
"A group of detectives from the homicide department at the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) were dispatched to Kampala yesterday after failing to find the details of the original and current owners of the car in their Nairobi registries"
while on the ground there were covert operations:
"Another group of officers from the Flying Squad had from Saturday night conducted covert operations in the Asmara area of Huruma, where a car resembling the Benz had been seen."
But before getting the Mercedes, the criminals started in a Toyota Corolla:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/muchai-killed-car-jackers
"The gangsters were driving in a Toyota Corolla 110. It emerged yesterday that the carjackers had earlier robbed a middle-aged clinical officer at Ndeiya in Limuru and locked him up in the boot of his Toyota Corolla"
They then upgraded to a Spacio, which was also briefly a Probox, but which is what they used for their operation, contrary to unhelpful CCTV that sent Heroic Police running off to Kampala:
"Police have seized a car reportedly used by hooded gunmen during the killings of Kabete MP George Muchai, his two bodyguards and a driver. The white Toyota Spacio ..."
And then, deciding that they needed a bigger car for their "mission", they tried to run down a BMW:
" On Waiyaki Way, the gang tried to block a BMW but failed after the driver made a wrong turn and escaped, said one of the women."
http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151327/police-recover-car-used-in-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal?articleID=2000151327&story_title=police-recover-car-used-in-george-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal&pageNo=1
Except that the BMW was actually a Mercedes:
"One of the women claimed that, at one point, they drove around a popular entertainment spot on Ojijo Road, where the criminals unsuccessfully attempted to attack a motorist in a Mercedes Benz who sped off."
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/muchai-killed-car-jackers
As for the gang, it started out with 4 people, who attacked the women as they drove home:
"According to the women, four hooded gunmen who had an AK47 rifle and three pistols attacked them in Gachie, Kiambu, as they drove home on Friday at about 10pm."
http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151327/police-recover-car-used-in-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal?articleID=2000151327&story_title=police-recover-car-used-in-george-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal&pageNo=1
But one apparently disappeared into thin air at some point, and the remaining three instead accosted them at the entrance to their apartment:
"“The two women reported that they had just arrived at the gate of their apartment building in Wangige after an evening out when they were accosted by the three men with three pistols and an AK 47," said a police source."
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/muchai-killed-car-jackers#sthash.SBdbqo9p.dpuf
And they had an argument over the fee that had accepted for their mission:
"At one point, the women said they heard the gang argue in their Kikuyu dialect on why their gang leader agreed to take half of the fee for their mission."
http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151327/police-recover-car-used-in-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal?articleID=2000151327&story_title=police-recover-car-used-in-george-muchai-killing-as-women-recall-ordeal&pageNo=1
What their mission was is unclear, but apparently it involved
- stopping at a club in Parklands to buy drinks
- stopping at an ATM, so that the women could withdraw some money
- some random driving-around
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I thought that was remarkable. The women were just glad to get their car back. No urge to pursue the matter further.
Yes, it is quite a story. The women are driven for hours, tied up and their mouths taped (so they can't call for help), with a brief stop at an ATM to empty one of their accounts. Fortunately, as has been pointed out, a Spacio boot is a simple affair, and even in that condition they easily hop over the back seat and unlock the doors.
They then dash off to the police station and say "this is what happened to us, but we aren't interested beyond letting you know about it; and you should know because ...".
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Termie,
Fingerprint dusting is reserved for serious &/ high profile ones. Normal 'harmless' jacking a are just not worth it in Kenia.
So I get my ride back intact? What else could I possibly want! The jackets brought to book?
The thugs know that a jacking is circulated almost instantly and that's why they kept the women through their mission. They was in a way kind and smart...very smart
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Termie,
Fingerprint dusting is reserved for serious &/ high profile ones. Normal 'harmless' jacking a are just not worth it in Kenia.
So I get my ride back intact? What else could I possibly want! The jackets brought to book?
The thugs know that a jacking is circulated almost instantly and that's why they kept the women through their mission. They was in a way kind and smart...very smart
There are those who think the gang-land style shooting of an MP in the CBD is high profile somewhat. From their perspective, police should already have faces being paraded in Yebei/Yusuf time.
The Muchai family would have be simpletons to think anything is coming out of this investigation...no prizes for figuring that fact out.
As MOON Ki mentions, if these women are just happy to get their ride. Why drive themselves to the police station, report the thing and then want nothing to do with it?
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This keeps getting better:
"The alleged registration number of the Toyota Spacio given by police, KBE 464N, is that of a motorcycle registered to Piki Piki Ltd, according to the registry of motor vehicles."
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/George-Muchai-Murder-Police-Investigation/-/1056/2621140/-/bbpepc/-/index.html
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Theories Flouted On Muchai Murder...
By Mithamo Muchiri and Collins L Magere via Facebook
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1. Muchai’s wife MAY have killed her husband??.
—–if she had traveled with her husband in one car from the Airport to Club Galilleo, why then would she have to change the car on their way home leaving Muchai alone in a different car?
2. The killing was carried out by about 3 distinguished experts within our security forces – either working or retired.
——-it is true that Muchai’s bodyguards were not asleep by the time they were shot, since his vehicle had already been hit from behind.
They were awake and consciously attentive.
They had automatic pistols that doesn’t take time preparing to shoot.
How then could one shooter strike all the 4 persons who included 3 armed professionals??
3. There was ZERO recordings of the CCTV.
——–the video footage purportedly given to Forensic experts doesn’t show the vehicle from which the killers emanated.
The Investigators are only beating about the bush – Probox yesterday, Mercedes today, Spacio tomorrow, etc.
The CCTV Camera which is only 3meters from the scene doesn’t show how many persons were in which vehicle.
4. The two women in the police custody know the whole story about Muchai’s assassination.
———-if indeed they had been hijacked and bundled into the boot of their car as they want us to believe, then by how many people?
Does Spacio have a boot, let alone the one that can accommodate 2 women anyway?
They say they heard gunshots, presumably the murders, but couldn’t tell where they were, because they were bundled into the boot immediately they were carjacked. Which makes perfect sense, except the same women also said “they then drove us to Parklands where one of them went out and came back with drinks…they tried to carjack a BMW but the driver made a wrong turn and escaped…we then headed towards Kikuyu before returning to Westlands…”. These women could see things clearly from inside the boot, but fail to see the most important part!
Interestingly, these women confirms to also have been at Club Galileo until late when they left, prior to the hijacking.
What a suspicious “coincidence”.
This was a masked conspiracy!
I boldly opine that the Investigators should begin their work by confiscating all the Mobile Phones ever owned by; 1. Muchai’s wife, 2. the two women, 3. the wife’s driver, and 4. Francis Atwoli’s Phone.
Only Safaricom will help them unravel this mystery.
http://nipate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52662&p=432125#p432125
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Taking out the MP is high profile but jacking a Spacio and abandoning it is not.
What ELSE was they supposed to do? Sue the ghosts who jacked them? Reporting a crime suffices
There are those who think the gang-land style shooting of an MP in the CBD is high profile somewhat. From their perspective, police should already have faces being paraded in Yebei/Yusuf time.
The Muchai family would have be simpletons to think anything is coming out of this investigation...no prizes for figuring that fact out.
As MOON Ki mentions, if these women are just happy to get their ride. Why drive themselves to the police station, report the thing and then want nothing to do with it?
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Taking out the MP is high profile but jacking a Spacio and abandoning it is not.
What ELSE was they supposed to do? Sue the ghosts who jacked them? Reporting a crime suffices
There are those who think the gang-land style shooting of an MP in the CBD is high profile somewhat. From their perspective, police should already have faces being paraded in Yebei/Yusuf time.
The Muchai family would have be simpletons to think anything is coming out of this investigation...no prizes for figuring that fact out.
As MOON Ki mentions, if these women are just happy to get their ride. Why drive themselves to the police station, report the thing and then want nothing to do with it?
They can take their lumps quitely. Why report to the police and then have nothing to do with the case? Why do the police share their story with the media if it's low profile? Why don't they dust the car for fingerprints?
This case warrants a Yebei-to-Yusuf level of attention and processing.
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They went to the police to report a robbery and carjacking. You have a problem with that. You got problems my broda.
You are missing everything. A random carjacking reported at around 0600H was not connected to a city assassination 3 hours before by them cops at the police station. The connection happens much later by which time the car had been released to the owners. Dusting prints after two or so washes is in vain.
There are better cases to parade sleuthing. This one is not IT
They can take their lumps quitely. Why report to the police and then have nothing to do with the case? Why do the police share their story with the media if it's low profile? Why don't they dust the car for fingerprints?
This case warrants a Yebei-to-Yusuf level of attention and processing.
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Theories Flouted On Muchai Murder...
By Mithamo Muchiri and Collins L Magere via Facebook
(https://www.kenya-today.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/138-765x510.jpg)
1. Muchai’s wife MAY have killed her husband??.
—–if she had traveled with her husband in one car from the Airport to Club Galilleo, why then would she have to change the car on their way home leaving Muchai alone in a different car?
2. The killing was carried out by about 3 distinguished experts within our security forces – either working or retired.
——-it is true that Muchai’s bodyguards were not asleep by the time they were shot, since his vehicle had already been hit from behind.
They were awake and consciously attentive.
They had automatic pistols that doesn’t take time preparing to shoot.
How then could one shooter strike all the 4 persons who included 3 armed professionals??
3. There was ZERO recordings of the CCTV.
——–the video footage purportedly given to Forensic experts doesn’t show the vehicle from which the killers emanated.
The Investigators are only beating about the bush – Probox yesterday, Mercedes today, Spacio tomorrow, etc.
The CCTV Camera which is only 3meters from the scene doesn’t show how many persons were in which vehicle.
4. The two women in the police custody know the whole story about Muchai’s assassination.
———-if indeed they had been hijacked and bundled into the boot of their car as they want us to believe, then by how many people?
Does Spacio have a boot, let alone the one that can accommodate 2 women anyway?
They say they heard gunshots, presumably the murders, but couldn’t tell where they were, because they were bundled into the boot immediately they were carjacked. Which makes perfect sense, except the same women also said “they then drove us to Parklands where one of them went out and came back with drinks…they tried to carjack a BMW but the driver made a wrong turn and escaped…we then headed towards Kikuyu before returning to Westlands…”. These women could see things clearly from inside the boot, but fail to see the most important part!
Interestingly, these women confirms to also have been at Club Galileo until late when they left, prior to the hijacking.
What a suspicious “coincidence”.
This was a masked conspiracy!
I boldly opine that the Investigators should begin their work by confiscating all the Mobile Phones ever owned by; 1. Muchai’s wife, 2. the two women, 3. the wife’s driver, and 4. Francis Atwoli’s Phone.
Only Safaricom will help them unravel this mystery.
http://nipate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52662&p=432125#p432125
The stories by the women. 3 hours before the event, by some people's reckoning, cannot have rung a bell to utumishi kwa wote. According to this impressive logic, there is no need to pursue the spacio/probox/Mercedes/pikipiki angle further.
There are those who agree that we have incompetence that Kenya police can't help. Then there is the type that can only be the result of a special effort.
The thing that has stood out to me to this point. The number of bullets through the windshield. The killer was a highly trained sharpshooter. The kind of hits you see on the Makaburis and other sheikhs.
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Kamwana promises Muchai's killers that their days of corruption and impunity are over.
Kabete MP George Muchai was killed because of his war against corruption, President Uhuru Kenyatta said Thursday.
He termed Mr Muchai’s death a great loss and promised to help bring his killers to book.
“Don’t think by killing a man you have found peace. We’ll continue to fight you and the evils Muchai was fighting,” the President told mourners during a requiem Mass at the Anglican St Josephs’ church in Kabete.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-Why-Muchai-was-killed/-/1056/2622234/-/cpo1wmz/-/index.html
If kamwana is to be taken seriously, this corrupt dreadlocked punk's days of corruption and impunity would appear to be numbered.
(http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/2622744/highRes/944989/-/maxw/600/-/coe2c9/-/suspect-pic.jpg)
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/Muchai-murder-suspect-14-Ddays-custody/-/1954174/2622736/-/t3moj0/-/index.html
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We just have to keep tabs..this is an ongoing goldmine...
Police have been allowed to continue holding Simon Wambugu Gichamba, a suspect in the shooting dead of Kabete MP George Muchai, his driver and his two bodyguards.
The court allowed the police to hold Mr Gichamba for 14 more days so that “he may help in tracing his accomplices” and allow police to complete investigations before formally charging him with the murder....
Meanwhile:
Police are holding a woman for questioning in connection with the murder of Kabete MP George Muchai and his three aides.
The suspect is said to be the owner of one of the vehicles which was captured on camera at the scene of the fatal shooting on Saturday.
Records at the registrar of motor vehicles showed that the woman from Kabete in Kiambu owned the car, whose registration number was given as KBE 464*.
Detectives who arrested her found her in possession of several SIM cards from different service providers.
The suspect however said that she was robbed of the vehicle before the murder.
GALILEO PROBE
Nairobi County Head of Criminal Investigations Nicholas Kamwende confirmed the woman was being interrogated but said that they could not rule out the fact that she could have been “a victim of crime.” “This is a matter the ongoing investigation will unravel,” said Mr Kamwende.
The investigators are also focusing on at least five women. Two women were captured on camera at the Galileo Lounge next to where Kabete MP and his family sat.
The women, according to the footage, arrived before the family and sat at the lounge on Friday night. However, shortly before the MP’s family left the lounge, the two women are seen leaving the place.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Woman-held-in-Muchai-murder-probe/-/1056/2620010/-/4intyrz/-/index.html
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There's speculation Uhuru is addressing Atwoli...ama?
Kabete MP George Muchai was killed because of his war against corruption, President Uhuru Kenyatta said Thursday.
He termed Mr Muchai’s death a great loss and promised to help bring his killers to book.
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“Don’t think by killing a man you have found peace. We’ll continue to fight you and the evils Muchai was fighting,” the President told mourners during a requiem mass at the Anglican St Josephs’ church in Kabete.
“We cannot allow a few people to continue with corruption and impunity. Even if we will leave all to God to do his will, there are times when anger overwhelms us,” he said.
“And to the killers, don’t cerebrate just yet as your actions have energised our resolve to fight you. We are determined to ensure what Muchai was fighting for is achieved.”
Either out of malice or over eagerness to be on top of the Muchai story, these media houses have taken upon themselves to air some obscure recording by the slain MP accusing top COTU officials of plotting to reduce his height by a head.
The recording has been raised to a level of authority as to make it the only significant piece of evidence worth considering. Such circumstantial evidence is only important as far as identifying areas for further investigations is concerned and not as proof of guilt on the part of those mentioned in it.
As far as legal weight is concerned, circumstantial evidence is similar to that medieval principle of jurisprudence that was used to put Allan Wadi behind bars- confession of the accused.
The MP who was shot dead last Saturday in the city, alongside his three aides will be buried Frday at his Ruai home in Nairobi.
“That night was special. It was full of memories and laughter. Little did I know I was coming to say goodbye to him,” said Ms Lodder who arrived from South Africa on the fateful day.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-Why-Muchai-was-killed/-/1056/2622234/-/cpo1wmz/-/index.html
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Did Atwoli hire the bewildered chokora to wipe out Muchai and his body guards? I mention elsewhere, that with Kenya, you want to keep an open mind. Because there are people who will tell you that it is in fact what happened. Without batting an eyelid.
If the chokora had no clue why he was in court, I am informed he was conveniently found with the murder weapon. Linked by ballistics experts to the scene, among other artefacts. He carried out the assassination like a seal team operative, fooling CCTV, and covered his tracks like a pig wading in from Nairobi river.
Whether they used their vaunted fingerprint database to track him down Yebei/Yusuf style, is not something they are sharing. It could be that he just left glaring clues everywhere. The gun for example.
Either way it makes the prosecution's job very easy. To be found with the murder weapon.
There are those who believe that if we remain focused on the chokora and Atwoli, it leaves less room to focus on who really killed Muchai and why. Because if you think the chokora is a scapegoat. You are supposed to think he is a scapegoat for Atwoli.
To be fair to Atwoli, he looks genuinely bewildered by the allegations.
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The number of car changes, shootings, purposeful sloppiness for one assassination sounds indefinitely from government security who trained in the KDF. Recall Moi and Biwott wrote the standard for car changes and commanded it so to security personnels. Thugs don't usually hijack a "white mercedes" that attract attention, however, western politicians are driven in those. Westlands is a notorious hotspot for political back hand deals, such as paying snipers. He was obviously a threat to powerful Kikuyus. He must've known something very important. Thanks MK for chronologically pinpointing the facts.
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If there is a COTU angle in this, it MUST be connected to its hand in NSSF cookie jar
The reason the multiple cars don't bother me is because ALL those was not from 'official' position; it was media houses bribing cops to get some gossip
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How about "going tribal"?..
Former Westlands MP Fred Gumo has asked the police to investigate Labour Cabinet Secretary Kazungu Kambi over his claims that he knows those behind the killing of Kabete MP George Muchai.
Gumo rubbished claims by Kambi linking Central Organisation of Trade Unions (Cotu) secretary general Francis Atwoli to Muchai’s shooting and challenged the police to arrest and probe the CS.
Muchai, his two bodyguards and a driver were shot dead on the morning of February 7 in Nairobi’s city centre.
The former Regional Development Minister accused Kambi of plotting to implicate Atwoli in the killing in bid to settle scores with the Cotu chief.
“What Kambi is telling the world is pure lies and he should be arrested and investigated over his claims that he knows Muchai killers,” Gumo charged at Wekhonye Village during the burial of Sebastian Namwambu.
He accused Kambi of trying to sabotage police investigations and demonstrating impunity, and warned that the Luhya community would not tolerate such malice against one of their own. :D
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000151739/fred-gumo-probe-kazungu-kambi-on-mp-killers-claim
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Speaker of the National Assembly Justin Muturi has urged leaders to be cautious when making statements on the killing of Kabete MP George Muchai.
The Speaker said leaders should not be carried away by emotions when commenting on matters of insecurity.
“Leaders are warned on what you say in the public as these people have families and relatives. Consider the damage you are making with what you utter,” he said.
He said leaders should stop condemning each other without concrete evidence.
“Let’s be fare and respect each other by avoiding condemning and being judgmental,” said he said.
WRANGLES
Speaking during a prize giving ceremony in AIC Malivani Primary School in Wote, Makueni County, Mr Muturi urged leaders, who claim to have information on the death of Mr Muchai, to report to the police.
The Speaker made the remarks a few days after Labour Cabinet Secretary Kazungu Kambi and three MPs publicly stated they had information on the killing of Mr Muchai.
The leaders linked the death to wrangles in the Central Organisation of Trade Unions (Cotu).
Mr Kambi on Friday said he knew what led to Mr Muchai’s death and threatened to resign if the killers were not prosecuted.
(READ: Kambi and MPs link Muchai death to Cotu fights)
MPs Alice N’gan’ga (Thika), Francis Waititu (Juja) and Moses Kuria (Gatundu South) said investigations should not ignore the fights between Mr Muchai and other Cotu officials.
The leaders spoke during the MP’s burial at Kamulu on Friday.
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Gumo is a tribal war-monger. Given the Kenya police enjoys the full confidence of vooke and a handful of fellows in the security docket. People like Gumo have a lot of currency to work with.
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They got Mugabe killers...they are negroes for heaven sake, not crustaceans
Gumo is a tribal war-monger. Given the Kenya police enjoys the full confidence of vooke and a handful of fellows in the security docket. People like Gumo have a lot of currency to work with.
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Detectives familiar with the investigations said the police will not be investigating claims by three MPs who alleged Muchai was killed because of the wrangles at the giant workers’ union Cotu, where he had been a top official as police decide they have the right culprits in custody....
Labour Cabinet Secretary Kazungu Kambi and three MPs have been restrained by the High Court from linking Cotu secretary general Francis Atwoli to the killing of Kabete MP George Muchai, his two bodyguards and driver.
Justice Alfred Mbeya yesterday ruled that Kambi, MPs Moses Kuria (Gatundu South) Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town) and Francis Waititu (Juja) should not utter any defamatory words against Atwoli, pending the determination of the suit.
The judge issued the orders after Atwoli said the leaders defamed him and other Cotu officials during Muchai’s funeral last Friday.
The leaders linked Muchai’s death to disputes at Cotu.
- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/kambi-barred-linking-atwoli-muchai-murder#sthash.moYf0Wxz.dpuf
THE carjackers who murdered former Kabete MP George Muchai have told police they fired because they saw one of his bodyguards reach for a gun.
They claimed were on a nightlong robbery mission and took an interest in the MP’s car only because they saw it parked.
They only made a paltry Sh6,000 all night, most of which they forced two women they had carjacked to withdraw from an ATM in Kikuyu town.
The suspects said they were on Uhuru HIghway heading to Lang’ata Road when they spotted the Toyota Fortuner parked on Kenyatta Avenue.
They were in a carjacked Toyota Spacio when they saw Muchai’s vehicle just after getting into the roundabout at Nyayo House.
They decided to take one more turn on the roundabout to carjack and, or rob the occupants of the parked car.
They dashed out of their vehicle and when they got to within two meters of Muchai’s car they saw one of the guards preparing to shoot at them with a pistol.
But even before they started shooting, one of the thugs had warned his accomplices that vehicles occupants were dressed in suits like police officers.
It is at that point that the gunman opened fire and killed all four.
Yesterday the police presented the suspects – two women and four men – before a Nairobi court, where they were given permission to hold them in custody for 22 days.
The six were presented before principal magistrate Benson Nzakyo.
Prosecutors Duncan Ondimu and Chief Inspector Robert Kyaa told the magistrate the suspects are being investigated for a series of robberies, including the murder of Muchai, his two bodyguards and driver.
The suspects were identified as Steven Astiva Lipopo, alias Chokore, Raphael Kimani Gachie, alias Kim Butcher, Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi, alias Musto, Eric Isabwa Munyeria, alias Chairman, Margaret Njeri Wachiuri and Jane Wanjiru Kamau, alias Shiro.
The police said Munyeria was armed with a G3 rifle and did all the killing.
The 28-year-old works as a tomato distributor at the Kangemi Open-air Market and is a father of one.
Mustafa Kimani, 23, works as a hawker in the Kangemi area. He is not married but has a girlfriend identified only as Njeri, who was not arrested by the police. He lives in a one-roomed house in Kangemi near the Adamanje Academy.
The man also does menial jobs in his neighborhood, such a carrying luggage and washing cars.
Thirty-five-year-old Raphael Kimani is the Kangemi butcher found with a Ceska pistol stolen from one of Muchai’s guards.
He hails from the Rironi area but lives in a rented house in Waruku. He is said to be the driver of the Toyota Spacio carjacked from the two women in the Wangige area and which was used during the attack on Muchai.
Lipopo, a 35-year-old, had the role on the night of terror of beating up victims and robbing them.
He was arrested at a house in the Murera area of Ruiru, where he fled to after the MP’s murder.
He also operates from the Kangemi matatu terminus, where he sometimes works as a tout and also does menial jobs at the Kangemi market.
Jane Wanjiru Kamau, 25, is a mother of one and is married to Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi (Musto).
Margaret Njeri Wachiuri is a 30-year-old mother of two and wife of Eric Isabwa Munyeria. She runs a vegetable kiosk near her house in Kangemi. Police found the G3 rifle used in the murder and seven bullets in her house.
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This could be just the police trying to get people to accept and move on.
All the information is that the courts have allowed the police to detain some people while "investigations continue". That implies that they have not actually been charged with anything, and there is nothing to suggest that they have been. So,if the police have all that evidence, why have they not been charged? Why can they not be charged on the basis of that seemingly damning evidence, even if investigations continue?
Smoke and mirrors, in my opinion.
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Evidently the last thing you want, when you come face to face with Eric Isabwa Munyeria armed with a G3, after a night out, is your well trained bodyguards drawing their guns.
The panicked tomato distributor will have none of that. He will do what any panicked tomato distributor will do when faced with well trained and armed police body guards. Eliminate each one with well aimed shots. Leaving the absolute minimal number of bullet holes in the windshields.
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This could be just the police trying to get people to accept and move on.
All the information is that the courts have allowed the police to detain some people while "investigations continue". That implies that they have not actually been charged with anything, and there is nothing to suggest that they have been. So,if the police have all that evidence, why have they not been charged? Why can they not be charged on the basis of that seemingly damning evidence, even if investigations continue?
Smoke and mirrors, in my opinion.
Yep. Smoke and mirrors. You would think this is the kind of information that would be kept out of the public domain until "investigations are complete". I'd hate to imagine what these suspects have been put through.
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Carjackers they was. Where are conspiracy theorists? Facts won't get in the way of they esoteric theories; they will have u believe that the suspects are Manchurian suspects, hypnotised to confess....anything to prop they theories. they will sell you they mother if that's what it takes to convince you
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Is Musto's what they call the life of a double agent? Is this a slip from detectives familiar with the case?
Mustafa Kimani, 23, works as a hawker in the Kangemi area. He is not married but has a girlfriend identified only as Njeri, who was not arrested by the police. He lives in a one-roomed house in Kangemi near the Adamanje Academy.
Jane Wanjiru Kamau, 25, is a mother of one and is married to Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi (Musto).
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Somebody beat you to it, look up the comments
Is Musto's what they call the life of a double agent? Is this a slip from detectives familiar with the case?
Mustafa Kimani, 23, works as a hawker in the Kangemi area. He is not married but has a girlfriend identified only as Njeri, who was not arrested by the police. He lives in a one-roomed house in Kangemi near the Adamanje Academy.
Jane Wanjiru Kamau, 25, is a mother of one and is married to Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi (Musto).
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Somebody beat you to it, look up the comments
Is Musto's what they call the life of a double agent? Is this a slip from detectives familiar with the case?
Mustafa Kimani, 23, works as a hawker in the Kangemi area. He is not married but has a girlfriend identified only as Njeri, who was not arrested by the police. He lives in a one-roomed house in Kangemi near the Adamanje Academy.
Jane Wanjiru Kamau, 25, is a mother of one and is married to Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi (Musto).
If your point is that I am not the only one, or even the first one, who sees BS in this kool aid, I can't quarrel with that. As should any thinking Kenyan familiar with utumishi's reputation.
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It was the editor's error and they corrected it and thanked those who pointed it out.
If your point is that I am not the only one, or even the first one, who sees BS in this kool aid, I can't quarrel with that. As should any thinking Kenyan familiar with utumishi's reputation.
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It was the editor's error and they corrected it and thanked those who pointed it out.
If your point is that I am not the only one, or even the first one, who sees BS in this kool aid, I can't quarrel with that. As should any thinking Kenyan familiar with utumishi's reputation.
Did he pull the whole fiction down or just parts of it?
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The six member Kiambu gang who were produced in court charged with the murder of Hon George Muchai and his three security staff have a doubtful profile...they dont seem to be a high pedigree that can execute such a murder high level murder with super precision.
An intelligence source has intimated that the six member gang may be a decoy to cover up for the real killers who may have acted on orders from an influential politician. :)
The way politicians and media were all over implicating Atwoli and COTU is an indication that they may have been used directly or indirectly to cover for the real killers.
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Here is how one pundit Boniface Nyangla wondered loud on his Facebook Timeline;
”Muchai Murder: a 28 year old tomato vendor, with no history of professional training in handling firearms, shot four people in a car, killing each with a single shot, and he did it so quickly that none of the professionally trained bodyguards had time to react. 4 shots killing 4 people (among them trained security officers) in less than probably 10 seconds.
This guy is better than Sylvester Stallone ( Rambo)! Meanwhile, as they heard the shots they waited patiently for their turn? A G3 has a recoil before it loads the next shot.
Remember this guy had a single kill shot for each one of them, rotate, aim and shoot assuming these victims who were shot,posed like statues. Wow!A HK/G3 becomes just another gun outside the infantry arena .I have seen men dislocate their shoulders firing a HK/G3 in a standing position and poor stance.
I have seen platoon drill groundsmen, sergeants and steady cadets on the ground,with a boot between their shoulder blades, just to emphasize on the importance of bending and digging-in the lead leg for stability. So, is a “tomato vendor” expected to muster such a fine art without training?
Cc:KDF,Kenya Police Service,KWS & Kenya Prisons Service”.
The suspects were identified as
1. Steven Astiva Lipopo, alias Chokore, is 35 years old who does menial jobs at occasionally a tout at Kangemi bus terminus
2. Raphael Kimani Gachie, alias Kim Butcher, is 35 years old butcher in Kangemi
3. Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi, alias Musto 23 years, a hawker in Kangemi area and also does manial jobs like carrying luggage and washing cars
4. Eric Isabwa Munyeria, alias Chairman, a tomato vendor in Kangemi Open-air Market
5. Margaret Njeri Wachiuri is 30years old married to Munyeria and
6. Jane Wanjiru Kamau, alias Shiro is 25 years old married to Musto
The police said Eric Munyeria was armed with a G3 rifle and did all the killing.
Munyeria who is 28-years-old works as a tomato distributor at the Kangemi Open-air Market and is a father of one.
Now, with such a profile one wonders who they execute Muchai with such a clinical finish!
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The first is the picture of the rear view windshield. While I am no expert in ballistics, would I be wrong to say that looks a lot like an entry shot? The tomato distributor would appear to have walked around the vehicle and fired one shot from behind.
The front has two bullet holes. I can't see the fourth bullet hole. But I read somewhere that one person was felled after he had exited the car. The panicked tomato distributor firing the powerful G3 in single shot mode does not miss.
The occupants of the mercedes/probox/pikipiki, a group of folks with menial day jobs...local butchers, touts, etc. Having reason to believe that the men in Muchai's car were armed. Possibly cops. Sit patiently waiting for the gunfire to subside. For the tomato distributor to return.
Does anyone know if the first suspect Simon Wambugu Gichamba, has an occupation, girlfriend or wife? For some reason, this information is not provided by detectives familiar with the investigation.
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Am no ballistics expert either but this closer shot especially the hole on the metallic frame appears to be an exit shot. Reason is the edges of the hole are pointing away from the Fortuner.
I regard the screen shot inconclusive since to me, the hole is virtually indistinguishable from any other, glass behaves funny, & it appears highly unlikely that the shots was fired from opposite sides of the vehicle; two gunmen firing at opposite sides is suicidal (thus sayeth deNiro in Ronin) & a shot from either side by a lone gunman (corroborated by two negroes) followed by a dash to the opposite side & another shot is nonsensical
Check more images here (http://kenyastockholm.com/2015/02/07/)
The first is the picture of the rear view windshield. While I am no expert in ballistics, would I be wrong to say that looks a lot like an entry shot?
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Am no ballistics expert either but this closer shot especially the hole on the metallic frame appears to be an exit shot. Reason is the edges of the hole are pointing away from the Fortuner.
I regard the screen shot inconclusive since to me, the hole is virtually indistinguishable from any other, glass behaves funny, & it appears highly unlikely that the shots was fired from opposite sides of the vehicle; two gunmen firing at opposite sides is suicidal (thus sayeth deNiro in Ronin) & a shot from either side by a lone gunman (corroborated by two negroes) followed by a dash to the opposite side & another shot is nonsensical
Check more images here (http://kenyastockholm.com/2015/02/07/)
The first is the picture of the rear view windshield. While I am no expert in ballistics, would I be wrong to say that looks a lot like an entry shot?
Glass behaves funny? What do you mean? Automobile windshields actually preserve the record of what happened pretty well. Better than a regular window for sure. There is a malleable substance in them.
That said, your image is in fact less reliable. Just as you say. But because of the head on angle. Denying one the benefit of parallax. Even with that consideration, it still looks like an entry shot. Taken in combination with the other one, trusting my eyes, with all due respect to what two Negroes say, it points to an entry shot. The shot on the trunk would also seem to suggest the same.
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Termie,
Do yourself a favor and become an amateur ballistics expert. Just do it for vooke 8)
You may want to contrast entry and exit bullet holes on a car frame.
With your IQ, 10 minutes, fast internet and Google should be more than enough
Glass behaves funny? What do you mean? Automobile windshields actually preserve the record of what happened pretty well. Better than a regular window for sure. There is a malleable substance in them.
That said, your image is in fact less reliable. Just as you say. But because of the head on angle. Denying one the benefit of parallax. Even with that consideration, it still looks like an entry shot. Taken in combination with the other one, trusting my eyes, with all due respect to what two Negroes say, it points to an entry shot. The shot on the trunk would also seem to suggest the same.
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It is certainly curious that a manamba tomato-seller managed to take out 4 people with just 4 clean shots. But who knows ... maybe the guys is just really gifted, or he gets a lot of target practice in good "simulated real-life" environments.
There also seems to be the notion that the arrested people have actually been charged in court. Is that really so? I'd be keen to know more details on that one. In the normal course of things, once they are charged there has to be a hearing on bail, and the coppers would have to state in court what they actually have---as opposed to media stories from "detectives familiar with the investigation" and "police sources who cannot be named because they are not authorized to speak to the media". And if they have not been charged yet, why not?
Last year, in the Mpeketoni case, the coppers acted quickly, and a governor was arrested for "mass murder and terrorism". The police asked that he be held "while investigations continue"; the judge turned them down. (Too bad for this lot that they are not Big People.) Anyways ... month and month after that, the police would come to court and state that "the investigations are continuing". Eventually, the judge said the court aspect of the matter had to be closed and would the police please return when they had completed their investigations. The police never returned, and everyone accepted Mpeketoni and moved on. To this date unanswered questions remain: who did it? where are they? why hasn't something been done to/about them?
So, until I see people charged in court, and a trial underway, I'm going to take with a grain of salt all these stories about "Kenyan Sniper" tomato-sellers.
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Termie,
Do yourself a favor and become an amateur ballistics expert. Just do it for vooke 8)
You may want to contrast entry and exit bullet holes on a car frame.
With your IQ, 10 minutes, fast internet and Google should be more than enough
Glass behaves funny? What do you mean? Automobile windshields actually preserve the record of what happened pretty well. Better than a regular window for sure. There is a malleable substance in them.
That said, your image is in fact less reliable. Just as you say. But because of the head on angle. Denying one the benefit of parallax. Even with that consideration, it still looks like an entry shot. Taken in combination with the other one, trusting my eyes, with all due respect to what two Negroes say, it points to an entry shot. The shot on the trunk would also seem to suggest the same.
I am not an expert. I am just going by the direction of the dents. I see a slight dent inwards on the rear view windshield.
I don't rule out an optical illusion. In which case, one can even argue that the two bullets in the rear correspond to the two entry holes in the front, if they are willing make the tomato distributor's sniper skills all the more impressive.
For the authoritative opinions we have Kenya police and detectives familiar with the investigations to rely upon.
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A sudden aversion to Google is bad omen
Here is another example of an exit hole. That should settle the fact that what you are seeing is an exit hole.
(http://i.imgur.com/NeGlrpy.jpg?1)
Now, please give examples of entry and exit holes on a windshield to prove your point. Don't take a PhD in ballistics to google that.
I am not an expert. I am just going by the direction of the dents. I see a slight dent inwards on the rear view windshield.
I don't rule out an optical illusion. In which case, one can even argue that the two bullets in the rear correspond to the two entry holes in the front, if they are willing make the tomato distributor's sniper skills all the more impressive.
For the authoritative opinions we have Kenya police and detectives familiar with the investigations to rely upon.
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Here is another example of an exit hole. That should settle the fact that what you are seeing is an exit hole.
(http://i.imgur.com/NeGlrpy.jpg?1)
Now, please give examples of entry and exit holes on a windshield to prove your point. Don't take a PhD in ballistics to google that.
I am not an expert. I am just going by the direction of the dents. I see a slight dent inwards on the rear view windshield.
I don't rule out an optical illusion. In which case, one can even argue that the two bullets in the rear correspond to the two entry holes in the front, if they are willing make the tomato distributor's sniper skills all the more impressive.
For the authoritative opinions we have Kenya police and detectives familiar with the investigations to rely upon.
Those look like what I imagine exit holes would look. The dents are outwards. They even have shadows suggesting the same. It's the opposite on Muchai's car. Even though I have allowed for optical illusions.
Whatever type those holes(Muchai's car) are. One is left with anything between 4 shots from back and front to 2 shots from the front exiting in the back. I tip my hat off to the tomato distributor. If other shots were made, they don't hit the car.
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Entrance holes
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So,between the first and this, which one best matches your optical illusion spectaculary captured from two angles?
Am still waiting for examples of entrance and exit shots off windshields. Am sure Christ will be back before you get them. Which negro wants to admit to bullshitting?
Those look like what I imagine exit holes would look. The dents are outwards. They even have shadows suggesting the same. It's the opposite on Muchai's car. Even though I have allowed for optical illusions.
Whatever type those holes(Muchai's car) are. One is left with anything between 4 shots from back and front to 2 shots from the front exiting in the back. I tip my hat off to the tomato distributor. If other shots were made, they don't hit the car.
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Entrance holes
(http://i.imgur.com/ij7CE7G.jpg?1)
So,between the first and this, which one best matches your optical illusion?
Am still waiting for examples of entrance and exit shots off windshields. Am sure Christ will be back before you get them. Which negro wants to admit to bullshitting?
Those look like what I imagine exit holes would look. The dents are outwards. They even have shadows suggesting the same. It's the opposite on Muchai's car. Even though I have allowed for optical illusions.
Whatever type those holes(Muchai's car) are. One is left with anything between 4 shots from back and front to 2 shots from the front exiting in the back. I tip my hat off to the tomato distributor. If other shots were made, they don't hit the car.
Those look like holes in a wall. A completely different material. My guess would be these are entry holes.
If the purpose of such an exercise escapes me, there is still a chance someone will give you examples of exit and entry holes. If you wait long enough. Stranger things have happened.
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Entrance holes on a car frame. The only different thing here is the color, White and green. White color evokes optical illusions of exit holes while green/brown produces entrance holes. Colors are funny or it's Negro trying his hand at amateur theorizing. Not bad coming from a nation with an average IQ of 72
Those look like holes in a wall. A completely different material. My guess would be these are entry holes.
If the purpose of such an exercise escapes me, there is still a chance someone will give you examples of exit and entry holes. If you wait long enough. Stranger things have happened.
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Entrance holes on a car frame. The only different thing here is the color, brown and green. Brown color evokes optical illusions of entrance holes while green produces exit holes. Colors are funny or it's Negro trying his hand at amateur theorizing. Not bad coming from a nation with an average IQ of 72
Those look like holes in a wall. A completely different material. My guess would be these are entry holes.
If the purpose of such an exercise escapes me, there is still a chance someone will give you examples of exit and entry holes. If you wait long enough. Stranger things have happened.
So we are in agreement. I just go by the inward pointing dents. Much like the ones in Muchai's car.
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Please do, as long as you find such. You have none nowhere on the car. The windshield hole is neither inward nor outward.
Marry Google for a few hours and study bullet holes in glass
Entrance holes on a car frame. The only different thing here is the color, brown and green. Brown color evokes optical illusions of entrance holes while green produces exit holes. Colors are funny or it's Negro trying his hand at amateur theorizing. Not bad coming from a nation with an average IQ of 72
Those look like holes in a wall. A completely different material. My guess would be these are entry holes.
If the purpose of such an exercise escapes me, there is still a chance someone will give you examples of exit and entry holes. If you wait long enough. Stranger things have happened.
So we are in agreement. I just go by the inward pointing dents. Much like the ones in Muchai's car.
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Please do, as long as you find such. You have none nowhere on the car. The windshield hole is neither inward nor outward.
Marry Google for a few hours and study bullet holes in glass
Entrance holes on a car frame. The only different thing here is the color, brown and green. Brown color evokes optical illusions of entrance holes while green produces exit holes. Colors are funny or it's Negro trying his hand at amateur theorizing. Not bad coming from a nation with an average IQ of 72
Those look like holes in a wall. A completely different material. My guess would be these are entry holes.
If the purpose of such an exercise escapes me, there is still a chance someone will give you examples of exit and entry holes. If you wait long enough. Stranger things have happened.
So we are in agreement. I just go by the inward pointing dents. Much like the ones in Muchai's car.
In the rear windshield of Muchai's car I see an, if inescapable, ever so slight dent. Inwards. Like something pushed it in.
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OK. I don't see nothing. Get better shots and show me how an exiting hole should look like
Meanwhile,
the suspects are giving conflicting accounts
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/campus/story/2000152249/suspects-give-conflicting-accounts-on-muchai-murder
In the rear windshield of Muchai's car I see an, if inescapable, ever so slight dent. Inwards. Like something pushed it in.
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OK. I don't see nothing. Get better shots and show me how an exiting hole should look like
Meanwhile,
the suspects are giving conflicting accounts
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/campus/story/2000152249/suspects-give-conflicting-accounts-on-muchai-murder
In the rear windshield of Muchai's car I see an, if inescapable, ever so slight dent. Inwards. Like something pushed it in.
That's the best I can see. I don't rule out an optical aberration. If you look at the shadow around the hole, I am thinking that could also be caused by a reflection of something else, the detective perhaps. That could explain the apparent indentation.
I am not surprised by the witness accounts contradictions. While I don't know what that means, it's consistent with Kenya police investigations on such cases. They cloud rather than shed light on the question.
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That's the best I can see. I don't rule out an optical aberration. If you look at the shadow around the hole, I am thinking that could also be caused by a reflection of something else, the detective perhaps. That could explain the apparent indentation.
No problem, it may as well have been an entrance hole. Note I ruled it as inconclusive on the visuals and I favor exiting on the circumstance; what was they shooting at from the back which clearly came AFTER the front shots?
What am certain is the hole on the metallic part was made by an exiting bullet. It may have been fired from the door windows and not necessarily the front
I am not surprised by the witness accounts contradictions. While I don't know what that means, it's consistent with Kenya police investigations on such cases. They cloud rather than shed light on the question.
The problem with this story is it is all from anonymous sources supposedly within the force. So we could be arguing about the implausibility of some BS
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That's the best I can see. I don't rule out an optical aberration. If you look at the shadow around the hole, I am thinking that could also be caused by a reflection of something else, the detective perhaps. That could explain the apparent indentation.
No problem, it may as well have been an entrance hole. Note I ruled it as inconclusive on the visuals and I favor exiting on the circumstance; what was they shooting at from the back which clearly came AFTER the front shots?
What am certain is the hole on the metallic part was made by an exiting bullet. It may have been fired from the door windows and not necessarily the front
I am not surprised by the witness accounts contradictions. While I don't know what that means, it's consistent with Kenya police investigations on such cases. They cloud rather than shed light on the question.
The problem with this story is it is all from anonymous sources supposedly within the force. So we could be arguing about the implausibility of some BS
About the story(ies). These have been doing the rounds for days. Without any denial from CID or Kenya police.
For a police force that will arrest a blogger in Mombasa and drive him to Nairobi for writing about corruption in Isiolo, I take their silence as tacit approval of the stories.
We could be dealing with a police force that releases these stories to test the waters. What people might bite and what they will see as outright BS.
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Or they are just fed up with media's incessant gossip. At some point there was some glaring contradictions.
They don't want to keep on denying, clarifying, pointing out....Did the police confirm that the four was taken out with double-taps?
make what you will out of it but it is nothing more than speculation until officially confirmed. For instance, 3 of the suspects was ex-cons thus saith Muhoro
"We have their profiles, which are interesting and good for our case. They are former convicts," said CID boss Ndegwa Muhoro.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000152309/three-kenyan-mp-murder-suspects-are-ex-convicts
About the story(ies). These have been doing the rounds for days. Without any denial from CID or Kenya police.
For a police force that will arrest a blogger in Mombasa and drive him to Nairobi for writing about corruption in Isiolo, I take their silence as tacit approval of the stories.
We could be dealing with a police force that releases these stories to test the waters. What people might bite and what they will see as outright BS.
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Or they are just fed up with media's incessant gossip. At some point there was some glaring contradictions.
They don't want to keep on denying, clarifying, pointing out....Did the police confirm that the four was taken out with double-taps?
make what you will out of it but it is nothing more than speculation until officially confirmed. For instance, 3 of the suspects was ex-cons thus saith Muhoro
"We have their profiles, which are interesting and good for our case. They are former convicts," said CID boss Ndegwa Muhoro.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000152309/three-kenyan-mp-murder-suspects-are-ex-convicts
About the story(ies). These have been doing the rounds for days. Without any denial from CID or Kenya police.
For a police force that will arrest a blogger in Mombasa and drive him to Nairobi for writing about corruption in Isiolo, I take their silence as tacit approval of the stories.
We could be dealing with a police force that releases these stories to test the waters. What people might bite and what they will see as outright BS.
I don't buy the fed up angle. They are feeding the media with the BS.
It's what Ndegwa Muhoro bought 22 days for. Despite all the incriminating evidence they claim to have.
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Claims of tons of 'incriminating evidence' is BS as well. Drop selective amnesia
I don't buy the fed up angle. They are feeding the media with the BS.
It's what Ndegwa Muhoro bought 22 days for. Despite all the incriminating evidence they claim to have.
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the tons of 'incriminating evidence' is BS as well. Drop selective amnesia
I don't buy the fed up angle. They are feeding the media with the BS.
It's what Ndegwa Muhoro bought 22 days for. Despite all the incriminating evidence they claim to have.
The stories relating to artefacts from the crime scene in possession of the suspects aren't media BS. They were used in court to secure the suspects in custody.
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You will notice all official narratives make sense, lots of sense. Not so with these sensational BS from 'negro who is not authorized to talk to the media'. So am blaming the media for BS not them anonymous sources.
Look at this reporting closely;
Three more suspects were arrested on Friday over last Saturday’s killing of Kabete MP George Muchai.
A G3 rifle believed to have been used in the killing was also recovered.
The three were arrested in Area 87, near Kinoo off the Nairobi-Naivasha road by Flying Squad officers.
One is suspected to be the lone-gunman who shot dead the MP, his driver and two police bodyguards.
He is then said to have beckoned his accomplices to ransack the vehicle during the shooting at 3am last Saturday on Kenyatta Avenue, Nairobi.
A Ceska pistol that was taken away from one of the bodyguards, Constable Samuel Kimanthi, was also recovered during the raid, police added.
Mr Muchai was buried at his home in Kamulu on Friday.
Acting police Inspector-General Samuel Arachi, said: “We have the suspects and we have recovered the gun and other items that could have been taken. We shall give more information later.”
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/George-Muchai-Burial-Arrest-Police-Investigation/-/1950946/2623380/-/format/xhtml/-/14g9bk1/-/index.html
What part of this do you dispute or find contradictory here or elsewhere?
The stories relating to artefacts from the crime scene in possession of the suspects aren't media BS. They were used in court to secure the suspects in custody.
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You will notice all official narratives make sense, lots of sense. Not so with these sensational BS from 'negro who is not authorized to talk to the media'. So am blaming the media for BS not them anonymous sources.
Look at this reporting closely;
Three more suspects were arrested on Friday over last Saturday’s killing of Kabete MP George Muchai.
A G3 rifle believed to have been used in the killing was also recovered.
The three were arrested in Area 87, near Kinoo off the Nairobi-Naivasha road by Flying Squad officers.
One is suspected to be the lone-gunman who shot dead the MP, his driver and two police bodyguards.
He is then said to have beckoned his accomplices to ransack the vehicle during the shooting at 3am last Saturday on Kenyatta Avenue, Nairobi.
A Ceska pistol that was taken away from one of the bodyguards, Constable Samuel Kimanthi, was also recovered during the raid, police added.
Mr Muchai was buried at his home in Kamulu on Friday.
Acting police Inspector-General Samuel Arachi, said: “We have the suspects and we have recovered the gun and other items that could have been taken. We shall give more information later.”
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/George-Muchai-Burial-Arrest-Police-Investigation/-/1950946/2623380/-/format/xhtml/-/14g9bk1/-/index.html
What part of this do you dispute or find contradictory here or elsewhere?
The stories relating to artefacts from the crime scene in possession of the suspects aren't media BS. They were used in court to secure the suspects in custody.
I have already seen the official allegations. My point is that there is no official denial of the stories in the star. It is just one story, perhaps two. That is why I don't buy the fed up angle. They can easily deny them if they don't approve them.
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I can't possibly count official denials of the unofficial sources' narratives on the investigations I would expect from them cops. Can you?
Denial works either way. When somebody is very close to the truth, you can deny or offer alternative explanation to throw them off or you can keep mum hoping they will forget. Or simply ignore them and continue working. In short, extracting truth from their silence is BS
I have already seen the official allegations. My point is that there is no official denial of the stories in the star. It is just one story, perhaps two. That is why I don't buy the fed up angle. They can easily deny them if they don't approve them.
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I can't possibly count official denials of the unofficial sources' narratives on the investigations I would expect from them cops. Can you?
I have already seen the official allegations. My point is that there is no official denial of the stories in the star. It is just one story, perhaps two. That is why I don't buy the fed up angle. They can easily deny them if they don't approve them.
I have counted zero.
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Denial works either way. When somebody is very close to the truth, you can deny or offer alternative explanation to throw them off or you can keep mum hoping they will forget. Or simply ignore them and continue working. In short, extracting truth from their silence is BS
I have already seen the official allegations. My point is that there is no official denial of the stories in the star. It is just one story, perhaps two. That is why I don't buy the fed up angle. They can easily deny them if they don't approve them.
I don't buy that angle. An argument can be made for such stories jeopardizing investigations. Any unauthorized release by detectives close to the investigations that is not denied is officially sanctioned BS.
The fed up argument could have some legs if the source is less mainstream than the star.
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Why did they pull it down?
I don't buy that angle. An argument can be made for such stories jeopardizing investigations. Any unauthorized release by detectives close to the investigations that is not denied is officially sanctioned BS.
The fed up argument could have some legs if the source is less mainstream than the star.
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Ati we have suspects......All these people being paraded infront of the media are small time thugs. There is a single asassin/sniper, a really good one, not sure its even a Kenyan....... who carried out this hit at the behest of another person who most likely is know and who Muchai posed a direct threat to. A threat so serious he had to die.....All these senastionalism news is just to keep the gullible lazy media busy. This Kenyan media kweli....I was shocked the other day they paraded a chokora found with some cell phone belonging to a victim and charged him in court with murder.....meanwhile the chokora had no clue what was happeneing or why he was even in court. I felt sorry for him....people whose life do not mean much and can be used and abused and disposed off like trash....justice Kenyan style.
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Stolen phones are dangerous things, can easily get you tortured, Eunuch-ized here. You buying a used phone? Get the box or a receipt from a shop.
It's crude but it nailed Mugabe Were's killers and probably solver several other less dramatic crimes
Ati we have suspects......All these people being paraded infront of the media are small time thugs. There is a single asassin/sniper, a really good one, not sure its even a Kenyan....... who carried out this hit at the behest of another person who most likely is know and who Muchai posed a direct threat to. A threat so serious he had to die.....All these senastionalism news is just to keep the gullible lazy media busy. This Kenyan media kweli....I was shocked the other day they paraded a chokora found with some cell phone belonging to a victim and charged him in court with murder.....meanwhile the chokora had no clue what was happeneing or why he was even in court. I felt sorry for him....people whose life do not mean much and can be used and abused and disposed off like trash....justice Kenyan style.
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There also seems to be the notion that the arrested people have actually been charged in court. Is that really so? I'd be keen to know more details on that one. In the normal course of things, once they are charged there has to be a hearing on bail, and the coppers would have to state in court what they actually have---as opposed to media stories from "detectives familiar with the investigation" and "police sources who cannot be named because they are not authorized to speak to the media". And if they have not been charged yet, why not?
It is now clear that they have not been charged. What's more, the tomato-selling "sniper" has his own story:
"Meanwhile, police are yet to decide on the charges to prefer against seven suspects arrested over the killing of the legislator."
A man arrested over death of former Kabete Mp George Muchai has claimed police tortured him to "extract a confession."
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Muchai-murder-suspect-police-torture/-/1056/2637282/-/ygqd3d/-/index.html
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There also seems to be the notion that the arrested people have actually been charged in court. Is that really so? I'd be keen to know more details on that one. In the normal course of things, once they are charged there has to be a hearing on bail, and the coppers would have to state in court what they actually have---as opposed to media stories from "detectives familiar with the investigation" and "police sources who cannot be named because they are not authorized to speak to the media". And if they have not been charged yet, why not?
It is now clear that they have not been charged. What's more, the tomato-selling "sniper" has his own story:
"Meanwhile, police are yet to decide on the charges to prefer against seven suspects arrested over the killing of the legislator."
A man arrested over death of former Kabete Mp George Muchai has claimed police tortured him to "extract a confession."
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Muchai-murder-suspect-police-torture/-/1056/2637282/-/ygqd3d/-/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Muchai-murder-suspect-police-torture/-/1056/2637282/-/ygqd3d/-/index.html)
The man was tortured and had no lawyer. Given that this is not justice Mumbi Ngugi, the worst one will expect is a slap on the wrist of utumishi kwa wote, even as "investigations" are permitted to go ahead.
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A suspect in the murder of Kabete MP George Muchai accused the police of torturing him for a confession on Friday.
Resident magistrate Miriam Mugure ordered that 20-year-old Simon Gachamba be examined at Kenyatta National Hospital and a report submitted to the court.
The murder case was adjourned following the prosecution’s request for more time to carry out investigations.
(http://www.jambonewspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gachamba.png)
Gachamba will remain in custody at Muthaiga police station until March 10 when the case will be mentioned.
Police may drop the charges against Gachamba, who was arrested with phones stolen from two women carjacked in Nairobi and their car used by Muchai’s suspected killers.
Detectives believe that by doing so, they will strengthen their case and prove charges of robbery with violence against two women and four men suspected to have killed Muchai on February 7.
Eric Isabwa Muyera alias Chairman, Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi alias Musto, and Jane Wanjiru Kamau alias Shiro were arrested last Friday at a house in Murera, Ruiru after they fled from their homes in Kangemi to avoid arrest.
The other suspects in police custody are Margaret Njeri Wachiuri, Steven Astiva Lipopo alias Chokore and Raphael Kimani Gachie alias Kim Butcher.
The suspects have since told the police that they were not assassins hired to kill Muchai.
They claimed they were on a night-long robbery mission and took an interest in the MP’s car only because they saw it has stopped near the roundabout.
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A suspect in the murder of Kabete MP George Muchai accused the police of torturing him for a confession on Friday.
Resident magistrate Miriam Mugure ordered that 20-year-old Simon Gachamba be examined at Kenyatta National Hospital and a report submitted to the court.
The murder case was adjourned following the prosecution’s request for more time to carry out investigations.
(http://www.jambonewspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gachamba.png)
Gachamba will remain in custody at Muthaiga police station until March 10 when the case will be mentioned.
Police may drop the charges against Gachamba, who was arrested with phones stolen from two women carjacked in Nairobi and their car used by Muchai’s suspected killers.
Detectives believe that by doing so, they will strengthen their case and prove charges of robbery with violence against two women and four men suspected to have killed Muchai on February 7.
Eric Isabwa Muyera alias Chairman, Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi alias Musto, and Jane Wanjiru Kamau alias Shiro were arrested last Friday at a house in Murera, Ruiru after they fled from their homes in Kangemi to avoid arrest.
The other suspects in police custody are Margaret Njeri Wachiuri, Steven Astiva Lipopo alias Chokore and Raphael Kimani Gachie alias Kim Butcher.
The suspects have since told the police that they were not assassins hired to kill Muchai.
They claimed they were on a night-long robbery mission and took an interest in the MP’s car only because they saw it has stopped near the roundabout.
One can almost predict this new barrage of officially sanctioned BS after the urchin revealed what is painfully obvious.
It would now appear that the women victims were part of the car jacking gone bad allegation.
With the obviously unrepresented tomato distributors and butchers more than happy to own up to the crime, it is not readily apparent why they have not been charged in court yet. Alan Wadi was put away in record time over a period spanning a major holiday.
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The finale episode now playing...no one remembers the subject or the promises anymore... :D
Muchai murder suspects to be released on bail if probe is not completed in 3 days
The prosecution has 3 days to finalise investigations on seven suspects linked to the murder of Kabete MP George Muchai.
Senior principal magistrate Joseph Karanja directed the police to summarise the probe failure to which the suspects will be granted bail.
(http://www.jambonewspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/muchai-suspects.png)
He made his ruling when the suspects appeared at Milimani Law Courts on Tuesday.
Karanja ordered exams at Kenyatta National Hospital, of suspects who complained of police torture.
He said the medical report will be submitted to the court during a hearing on Friday.
The prosecution had requested for 21 more days for further investigations saying DPP Keriako Tobiko had identified a crucial lead.
The prosecution said blood samples from four suspects would be compared with samples recovered from the vehicle in which Muchai and his three aides died.
The four are Erick Muyera Isabwa alias chairman, Raphael Kimani Gachie alia Kim Butcher, Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi alias Musti and Stephen Astiva Lipopo alias Chokore.
The seven suspects did not take pleas when they appeared in court in February after investigators said murder charges could not hold. :(
The other three are Jane Wanjiru Kamau alias Shiro, Margaret Njeri and Simon Mbugua Gichamba.
The suspects, who have been in custody for more than 21 days, were found with two firearms, including one reportedly used to shoot Muchai and his aides.
The MP, his driver and two bodyguards were murdered on February 7 when the attackers intercepted his car at Kenyatta Avenue roundabout, Nairobi and opened fire.
http://www.jambonewspot.com/muchai-murder-suspects-released-bail-probe-not-completed-3-days/
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The finale episode now playing...no one remembers the subject or the promises anymore... :D
Muchai murder suspects to be released on bail if probe is not completed in 3 days
The prosecution has 3 days to finalise investigations on seven suspects linked to the murder of Kabete MP George Muchai.
Senior principal magistrate Joseph Karanja directed the police to summarise the probe failure to which the suspects will be granted bail.
(http://www.jambonewspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/muchai-suspects.png)
He made his ruling when the suspects appeared at Milimani Law Courts on Tuesday.
Karanja ordered exams at Kenyatta National Hospital, of suspects who complained of police torture.
He said the medical report will be submitted to the court during a hearing on Friday.
The prosecution had requested for 21 more days for further investigations saying DPP Keriako Tobiko had identified a crucial lead.
The prosecution said blood samples from four suspects would be compared with samples recovered from the vehicle in which Muchai and his three aides died.
The four are Erick Muyera Isabwa alias chairman, Raphael Kimani Gachie alia Kim Butcher, Mustafa Kimani Anyonyi alias Musti and Stephen Astiva Lipopo alias Chokore.
The seven suspects did not take pleas when they appeared in court in February after investigators said murder charges could not hold. :(
The other three are Jane Wanjiru Kamau alias Shiro, Margaret Njeri and Simon Mbugua Gichamba.
The suspects, who have been in custody for more than 21 days, were found with two firearms, including one reportedly used to shoot Muchai and his aides.
The MP, his driver and two bodyguards were murdered on February 7 when the attackers intercepted his car at Kenyatta Avenue roundabout, Nairobi and opened fire.
http://www.jambonewspot.com/muchai-murder-suspects-released-bail-probe-not-completed-3-days/ (http://www.jambonewspot.com/muchai-murder-suspects-released-bail-probe-not-completed-3-days/)
21 more days would have pushed their custody to 42 days. With the attendant risk of DPP identifying another crucial lead after the 42 days, it becomes obvious that the argument could be used for indefinite detention if sustained.
While it is not obvious to me why blood samples obtained from the suspects should be compared to samples recovered from the vehicle, it is even less clear why they have not done that in the previous 22 days.
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Termie,
Them cops, they got jobs to keep
Am not sure what they blood would be doing on the scene seeing there was no shoot out, Mexican standoff gone South or something.
A babu is the man for now. Negro is busy rotting and the family has long moved on.
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A furious pace indeed. The media is more than happy to mindlessly parrot what they are being told by their sources. No questions asked.
The battle waged by our brave forces against the Al-Kebab Super-Terrorist out to finish the DP brought to mind the case of the Incredible Tomato-Selling Sniper from 2+ years ago.
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A furious pace indeed. The media is more than happy to mindlessly parrot what they are being told by their sources. No questions asked.
The battle waged by our brave forces against the Al-Kebab Super-Terrorist out to finish the DP brought to mind the case of the Incredible Tomato-Selling Sniper from 2+ years ago.
I recall this vividly. Killed in a robbery spree by a tomato vendor without wasting a bullet.
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What do you think happened? You guys are too cynical