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Title: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Githunguri on September 17, 2024, 12:04:57 AM
https://x.com/Benson_Mwiti_25/status/1835774479760253095
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 17, 2024, 11:35:30 AM
Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 17, 2024, 11:47:14 AM
You can see Ichung'wa is a clueless moron from how he dismissed angry GenZ as rich town kids few days before the riots. Then he was "shocked" by the violence despite having all the intelligence apparatus on speed dial.

Now he is openly calling for Riggy firing... he is probably worse than Ndii in reading the public mood. Almost Miguna level EQ.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 17, 2024, 02:16:13 PM
Kiambaa and Kikuyu are miles away.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 17, 2024, 02:32:38 PM
Kiambaa and Kikuyu are miles away.

Ichung'wa cannot call a rally anywhere in Kikuyuland and attack Riggy. He will be chased like a dog.

Once this impeachment delusion implodes... probably with UDA being badly walloped in a by-election, Ruto might have to reshuffle UDA leadership - and replace Ichung'wa with someone more useful. Like he did with Ababus and Jumwas.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 17, 2024, 02:37:44 PM

Kiambaa and Kikuyu is in Kiambu, however Kiambaa eldoret and Kikuyu are miles away . Which one are you talking about….

Kiambaa and Kikuyu are miles away.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 17, 2024, 02:41:17 PM
This is happening simply because Ichungwa propelled himself as the biggest opponent of Raila previously second to none other than Ruto.
Now he is the biggest supporter of Raila . It wont end up well for him .
Mt Kenya usually take betrayal in a certain way . Ask Uhuru ask Raila …..


https://x.com/Benson_Mwiti_25/status/1835774479760253095
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 17, 2024, 02:42:17 PM

Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 17, 2024, 02:46:16 PM
Obviously it's Kiambaa constituency in Kiambu. A stone-throw from Kikuyu. That is area MP John Wanjiku thanking him for the backing in the 2021 by-election.


Kiambaa and Kikuyu is in Kiambu, however Kiambaa eldoret and Kikuyu are miles away . Which one are you talking about….

Kiambaa and Kikuyu are miles away.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 17, 2024, 02:51:28 PM
I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.


Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 17, 2024, 05:08:45 PM
Ichungwa is Ruto lapdog.
He says what Ruto tells him to say.

Once that is clear - it obvious Ruto is already on Plan B - that is why ODM crew are in Gov.

But he will not leave Mt kenya hivyo hivyo - at best - he will disorganize and split it.

Short term - in that same rally - its Kindiki who was opening the road with Chirchir.

Short term - RiggyG is fired and impeached - Kindiki is put there to try to salvage at least Mt kenya east.

Come 2027 - Ruto will do the maths - and if his side come short - he will auction DPORK and 50% to ODM or even Kalonzo.

Ichung'wa cannot call a rally anywhere in Kikuyuland and attack Riggy. He will be chased like a dog.

Once this impeachment delusion implodes... probably with UDA being badly walloped in a by-election, Ruto might have to reshuffle UDA leadership - and replace Ichung'wa with someone more useful. Like he did with Ababus and Jumwas.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 17, 2024, 05:12:01 PM
So if Ruto reconcile with RiggyG - Mt kenya will be happy.
I dont think so.
They can never be happy as long as Raila and ODM are in GOK with them.

Mt kenya will sulk.

Ruto has 3yrs to determine the depth of his slide in Mt kenya.

And for now he has to bring ODM (Luo Nyanza, Coastal) plus Western plus small tribe coalition as counter with an eye of 2027

I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 17, 2024, 05:32:56 PM
Turn out they are just paid RiggyG hecklers
https://x.com/MuchiriGichuri/status/1836007800746520707
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 17, 2024, 08:54:42 PM
I mean RiggyG is manufacturing grievances to position as Kikuyu defender. Without Riggy fitina - they have nowhere to go unless to hapless Kioni.

But I agree Ruto has big wiggle room with ODM base. Unless Raila lose AU chair and decide to run. That can cause problems.

So if Ruto reconcile with RiggyG - Mt kenya will be happy.
I dont think so.
They can never be happy as long as Raila and ODM are in GOK with them.

Mt kenya will sulk.

Ruto has 3yrs to determine the depth of his slide in Mt kenya.

And for now he has to bring ODM (Luo Nyanza, Coastal) plus Western plus small tribe coalition as counter with an eye of 2027

I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 17, 2024, 09:31:32 PM
Well I guess there a window where Ruto can reconcile with RiggyG but it come at same price as with odm.. accepting RiggyG as an equal n sharing power 50 50. I don't think Ruto is ready for such a deal from political neophyte. Definitely he going to think about what if Raila fails AU or even resign n run. So lazima hesabu ngumu
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 18, 2024, 01:12:13 AM

And why is pundit trying to portray a picture likes it miles away…..

Obviously it's Kiambaa constituency in Kiambu. A stone-throw from Kikuyu. That is area MP John Wanjiku thanking him for the backing in the 2021 by-election.


Kiambaa and Kikuyu is in Kiambu, however Kiambaa eldoret and Kikuyu are miles away . Which one are you talking about….

Kiambaa and Kikuyu are miles away.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 18, 2024, 01:15:14 AM
Real ODM base ante more Anti Ruto than even anti Gema.
Tell me in history where Nyanza have voted for a Kalenjin , never in History , even 2002 when Moi even gave them SG for KANU they went the other way….Ruto is abhorred in Nyanza thats a fact…..


I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.


Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 18, 2024, 02:23:21 AM
Those are generalities. I am unconvinced by your 2027 prediction :-

1. Kikuyu candidate - Jimi Wanjigi?
2. Kalonzo- RiggyG
3. Ruto-Mdvd

What happens if slippery Raila also runs?

Real ODM base ante more Anti Ruto than even anti Gema.
Tell me in history where Nyanza have voted for a Kalenjin , never in History , even 2002 when Moi even gave them SG for KANU they went the other way….Ruto is abhorred in Nyanza thats a fact…..


I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.


Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Fairandbalanced on September 18, 2024, 03:54:43 AM
Ruto has already been impeached by the Kenyan people, even Luo ground is not buying and Luhyas cannot even be bothered, they will always vote 50:50 at best, Ruto is going home and from what I am hearing about AU( I have never paid attention to it and still do not care) people in the know think Raila is going to lose. Three years, the economy is still in the toilet, Raila loses AU, Ruto will be the most unpopular president in Kenyan history, worse than Moi. He will be kneeling to folks to take the 50:50 but there will be no takers, they all run, with his Kamatusa numbers, he loses in the first round. Ruto is a one term president.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nefertiti on September 18, 2024, 04:15:23 AM
Ruto has already been impeached by the Kenyan people, even Luo ground is not buying and Luhyas cannot even be bothered, they will always vote 50:50 at best, Ruto is going home and from what I am hearing about AU( I have never paid attention to it and still do not care) people in the know think Raila is going to lose. Three years, the economy is still in the toilet, Raila loses AU, Ruto will be the most unpopular president in Kenyan history, worse than Moi. He will be kneeling to folks to take the 50:50 but there will be no takers, they all run, with his Kamatusa numbers, he loses in the first round. Ruto is a one term president.

The problem is Raila falls asleep in meetings when Ruto is trying to market him. 😂 People ask how the retired mzee can deliver Africa with endless grand challenges.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 18, 2024, 05:49:27 AM
Jaluo vote where Raila tells them. Hiyo ingine ni upuzi. Ruto alone will get 35 to 40% of vote. He is an incumbent.Last election he got 30% if you substract Mt Kenya 20% ( or 40% of the kk total vote). Now he has made more progress in matusa, Somalis n coast..than when he was battling Gok n Raila in Azimiom.in communities that just vote gov of the day. He can easily get 40% of the total national vote on his own like Moi easily did. He only need 10% or half gema who voted for him last time..that prof Kindiki can deliver by bringing Mt Kenya East alone
Real ODM base ante more Anti Ruto than even anti Gema.
Tell me in history where Nyanza have voted for a Kalenjin , never in History , even 2002 when Moi even gave them SG for KANU they went the other way….Ruto is abhorred in Nyanza thats a fact…..


I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.


Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 18, 2024, 09:43:20 AM
Fact is they have never voted for a Kalenjin , Lihyas have always divided their vote in 92 for Shikuku and Moi in 97 for Moi and Wamalwa in 2002 for Uhuru and Kibaki in 2007 for Raila and Kibaki in 2013 for Mudavadi and Raila in 2017 for Uhuru and Raila in 2022 for Ruto and Raila. These are small facts im giving you .
Im from Coast apart from Mombasa Ruto performed even worse than Uhuru and Kibaki against Raila . Ruto is not Moi and they just dont like him , simple truths , Ruto also performed worse than expectations in Matusa .
If Ruto was that popular as you claim there would never have been Genz,He wouldnt need to hive Raila a quarter of his cabinet to get his backing , Uhuru got Railas backing without sweat …..
Raila is not stupid ,What Ruto is doing will backfire majorly . Ask Moi in 2002…….


Jaluo vote where Raila tells them. Hiyo ingine ni upuzi. Ruto alone will get 35 to 40% of vote. He is an incumbent.Last election he got 30% if you substract Mt Kenya 20% ( or 40% of the kk total vote). Now he has made more progress in matusa, Somalis n coast..than when he was battling Gok n Raila in Azimiom.in communities that just vote gov of the day. He can easily get 40% of the total national vote on his own like Moi easily did. He only need 10% or half gema who voted for him last time..that prof Kindiki can deliver by bringing Mt Kenya East alone
Real ODM base ante more Anti Ruto than even anti Gema.
Tell me in history where Nyanza have voted for a Kalenjin , never in History , even 2002 when Moi even gave them SG for KANU they went the other way….Ruto is abhorred in Nyanza thats a fact…..


I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.


Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 18, 2024, 10:38:39 AM
You dont understand Kenya politics.
Totally you're zero.
Kenya politics there are no hardline positions.
Did you imagine in 2007 that Kikuyus would a decade later be dying to vote for Ruto/Kalenjin.
We spend the last few years here arguing with you about Bukusu.
You insisting Bukusu will not vote Ruto because of Kibaki PNU/Ford-K - and in end it crucial Bukusu vote that made big difference - for Ruto - once he made a deal with Wetangula.
You brain freezes because all you politics is based on PAST - not the future.
You need to understand kenya ethnic politics where tribes and tribal leaders are in symbiotic relationship.

Ruto has not done anything to Kikuyus but because of RiggyG mistreatment and Raila co-option they are mostly out.
Out but confused on where next.

Luos and Raila as of now are with Ruto. I dont know of 2027 - he is old but not yet quite old - he still definitely nurse ambition of PORK - but AU is good position.

Anyway It tiring arguing with fools like you.

As long as Ruto has a deal with Kalonzo for example - Kambas will vote Ruto.
As long as Ruto has a deal with Kindiki - he can split Mt kenya East and take it.
As long as Ruto has a deal with Oparanya, Mudavadi and Weta - he takes Western - infact if he put MaDVD as DPORK - he takes 100% of there.

If today Ruto and Riggy reconcile - and Raila/ODM are out - you'll be professing undying love for Ruto.

THERE ARE NO HARDLINE POSITION - ETI LUOS HATE RUTO/KALENJIN THEY WILL NEVER VOTE HIM.

That is crazy - if Kikuyus who accused Ruto of killing and evicting their own  - voted Ruto - why would Luos not vote Ruto - who assisted Raila become ODM PM and AU chair?

Ruto who has given Luos - all big position - CDF, Interior Ps, Finance PS, Energy PS, name it.

Once again Raila will determine where Luos will vote. Ruto is just from heroic welcome in Luo Nyanza.

As for Ruto performing badly in Coast/NEP/Matusa - wacha bhangi - how would he be president - if he didnt post respectable showing - despite GOK/Raila running as incumbent.

Those small tribes generally GOK has lot of sway including rigging.

Ruto goes into next election as INCUMBENT. That is worth at least 10% of the vote - extra. People who want money and power will not go forest to hunt what they can negotiate in statehouse - esp small tribes.

As for Gen Z - hiyo POWER VACUUM - Ruto once he made deal with Raila (deal pre-date gen Z) and with Kalonzo hopeless - that vacuum in opposition is being filled by kids and civil society.

Nothint to worry about - those online kids never really vote - and will go tribal ways.

Once RiggyG is impeached - GEMA will stop shadow boxing and half of them will join Kalonzo in opposition and will bolster it.

The opposition vacuum will be filled - Non-GEMA/Non-Kamba Goon Zs will retraced their steps to their tribes - and wait for Ruto, Raila, MaDVD, Wetas direction.

Fact is they have never voted for a Kalenjin , Lihyas have always divided their vote in 92 for Shikuku and Moi in 97 for Moi and Wamalwa in 2002 for Uhuru and Kibaki in 2007 for Raila and Kibaki in 2013 for Mudavadi and Raila in 2017 for Uhuru and Raila in 2022 for Ruto and Raila. These are small facts im giving you .
Im from Coast apart from Mombasa Ruto performed even worse than Uhuru and Kibaki against Raila . Ruto is not Moi and they just dont like him , simple truths , Ruto also performed worse than expectations in Matusa .
If Ruto was that popular as you claim there would never have been Genz,He wouldnt need to hive Raila a quarter of his cabinet to get his backing , Uhuru got Railas backing without sweat …..
Raila is not stupid ,What Ruto is doing will backfire majorly . Ask Moi in 2002…….


Jaluo vote where Raila tells them. Hiyo ingine ni upuzi. Ruto alone will get 35 to 40% of vote. He is an incumbent.Last election he got 30% if you substract Mt Kenya 20% ( or 40% of the kk total vote). Now he has made more progress in matusa, Somalis n coast..than when he was battling Gok n Raila in Azimiom.in communities that just vote gov of the day. He can easily get 40% of the total national vote on his own like Moi easily did. He only need 10% or half gema who voted for him last time..that prof Kindiki can deliver by bringing Mt Kenya East alone
Real ODM base ante more Anti Ruto than even anti Gema.
Tell me in history where Nyanza have voted for a Kalenjin , never in History , even 2002 when Moi even gave them SG for KANU they went the other way….Ruto is abhorred in Nyanza thats a fact…..


I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.


Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 18, 2024, 06:46:55 PM

Again I repeat Rigathi is Rutos poodle he has no sway in GEMA , Ruto is the one making him to start getting sympathy support.
As for Bukusu go yo the archives I pointed out that Wetangula would support Ruto even before when discussions were private .
GEMA supported Ruto because he was against Raila and secondly for supporting Uhuru twice.
GEMA holds Raila accountable for 2007 PEV and not Ruto .Now that Ruto is with Raila he will pay the price .
Again I repeat come 2027  Ruto will be No 3 and for sure Raila will ne running in 2027 .


You dont understand Kenya politics.
Totally you're zero.
Kenya politics there are no hardline positions.
Did you imagine in 2007 that Kikuyus would a decade later be dying to vote for Ruto/Kalenjin.
We spend the last few years here arguing with you about Bukusu.
You insisting Bukusu will not vote Ruto because of Kibaki PNU/Ford-K - and in end it crucial Bukusu vote that made big difference - for Ruto - once he made a deal with Wetangula.
You brain freezes because all you politics is based on PAST - not the future.
You need to understand kenya ethnic politics where tribes and tribal leaders are in symbiotic relationship.

Ruto has not done anything to Kikuyus but because of RiggyG mistreatment and Raila co-option they are mostly out.
Out but confused on where next.

Luos and Raila as of now are with Ruto. I dont know of 2027 - he is old but not yet quite old - he still definitely nurse ambition of PORK - but AU is good position.

Anyway It tiring arguing with fools like you.

As long as Ruto has a deal with Kalonzo for example - Kambas will vote Ruto.
As long as Ruto has a deal with Kindiki - he can split Mt kenya East and take it.
As long as Ruto has a deal with Oparanya, Mudavadi and Weta - he takes Western - infact if he put MaDVD as DPORK - he takes 100% of there.

If today Ruto and Riggy reconcile - and Raila/ODM are out - you'll be professing undying love for Ruto.

THERE ARE NO HARDLINE POSITION - ETI LUOS HATE RUTO/KALENJIN THEY WILL NEVER VOTE HIM.

That is crazy - if Kikuyus who accused Ruto of killing and evicting their own  - voted Ruto - why would Luos not vote Ruto - who assisted Raila become ODM PM and AU chair?

Ruto who has given Luos - all big position - CDF, Interior Ps, Finance PS, Energy PS, name it.

Once again Raila will determine where Luos will vote. Ruto is just from heroic welcome in Luo Nyanza.

As for Ruto performing badly in Coast/NEP/Matusa - wacha bhangi - how would he be president - if he didnt post respectable showing - despite GOK/Raila running as incumbent.

Those small tribes generally GOK has lot of sway including rigging.

Ruto goes into next election as INCUMBENT. That is worth at least 10% of the vote - extra. People who want money and power will not go forest to hunt what they can negotiate in statehouse - esp small tribes.

As for Gen Z - hiyo POWER VACUUM - Ruto once he made deal with Raila (deal pre-date gen Z) and with Kalonzo hopeless - that vacuum in opposition is being filled by kids and civil society.

Nothint to worry about - those online kids never really vote - and will go tribal ways.

Once RiggyG is impeached - GEMA will stop shadow boxing and half of them will join Kalonzo in opposition and will bolster it.

The opposition vacuum will be filled - Non-GEMA/Non-Kamba Goon Zs will retraced their steps to their tribes - and wait for Ruto, Raila, MaDVD, Wetas direction.

Fact is they have never voted for a Kalenjin , Lihyas have always divided their vote in 92 for Shikuku and Moi in 97 for Moi and Wamalwa in 2002 for Uhuru and Kibaki in 2007 for Raila and Kibaki in 2013 for Mudavadi and Raila in 2017 for Uhuru and Raila in 2022 for Ruto and Raila. These are small facts im giving you .
Im from Coast apart from Mombasa Ruto performed even worse than Uhuru and Kibaki against Raila . Ruto is not Moi and they just dont like him , simple truths , Ruto also performed worse than expectations in Matusa .
If Ruto was that popular as you claim there would never have been Genz,He wouldnt need to hive Raila a quarter of his cabinet to get his backing , Uhuru got Railas backing without sweat …..
Raila is not stupid ,What Ruto is doing will backfire majorly . Ask Moi in 2002…….


Jaluo vote where Raila tells them. Hiyo ingine ni upuzi. Ruto alone will get 35 to 40% of vote. He is an incumbent.Last election he got 30% if you substract Mt Kenya 20% ( or 40% of the kk total vote). Now he has made more progress in matusa, Somalis n coast..than when he was battling Gok n Raila in Azimiom.in communities that just vote gov of the day. He can easily get 40% of the total national vote on his own like Moi easily did. He only need 10% or half gema who voted for him last time..that prof Kindiki can deliver by bringing Mt Kenya East alone
Real ODM base ante more Anti Ruto than even anti Gema.
Tell me in history where Nyanza have voted for a Kalenjin , never in History , even 2002 when Moi even gave them SG for KANU they went the other way….Ruto is abhorred in Nyanza thats a fact…..


I don't know about Ruto 2027 - but Prof Herman Manyora agrees with you that he will face it rough. I think he may run with Mdvd and with most of ODM base easily win.

My own particular opinion is in Gema UDA will be wiped out unless Ruto makes up with Riggy. By Raila margin.


Most of the Mps in Rutos side wont make it come 2027 . Ruto will ne No 3 come 2027 ….

Tone-deaf Ichung'wa and most UDA MPs are quite unpopular. They have the same challenge as Tanga Tanga crew 2018-22. Ichung'wa is unable to watch his mortal mouth but unlike say Kuria does not know how to read the ground. Likes of Ndindi and Kang'ata seem to have smelt the coffee and switched off.
Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: RV Pundit on September 18, 2024, 07:02:15 PM
And I repeat you're an idiot without any sound argumentation.

Again I repeat Rigathi is Rutos poodle he has no sway in GEMA , Ruto is the one making him to start getting sympathy support.
As for Bukusu go yo the archives I pointed out that Wetangula would support Ruto even before when discussions were private .
GEMA supported Ruto because he was against Raila and secondly for supporting Uhuru twice.
GEMA holds Raila accountable for 2007 PEV and not Ruto .Now that Ruto is with Raila he will pay the price .
Again I repeat come 2027  Ruto will be No 3 and for sure Raila will ne running in 2027 .

Title: Re: Kikuyu residents chase Ichungwa away
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 18, 2024, 10:48:52 PM
Continue with Matusi , still wont change Rutos fortune
He will be No 3 come 2027…..


And I repeat you're an idiot without any sound argumentation.

Again I repeat Rigathi is Rutos poodle he has no sway in GEMA , Ruto is the one making him to start getting sympathy support.
As for Bukusu go yo the archives I pointed out that Wetangula would support Ruto even before when discussions were private .
GEMA supported Ruto because he was against Raila and secondly for supporting Uhuru twice.
GEMA holds Raila accountable for 2007 PEV and not Ruto .Now that Ruto is with Raila he will pay the price .
Again I repeat come 2027  Ruto will be No 3 and for sure Raila will ne running in 2027 .