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Title: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2023, 03:19:22 PM
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Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: Githunguri on June 11, 2023, 10:48:24 AM
Garbage taka taka UDA
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on June 11, 2023, 12:20:04 PM
What percentage of kenya coffee is bought by 4 local "cartel"? What's is their margin when they resell to global buyers? Marketing companies only get 2% of sale price. Last year prices were the highest in record, there were no cartels? Coffee is a commodity prices determined by global economic forces. They should compare farmers coffee prices with other countries e.g. ethiopia or columbia .
What percentage of coffee produced is Grade 1 i.e AA, AB and PB? Coffee production per kg should be ksh.40, the increased production cost(including labour) is much bigger problem than market opacity. The future of coffee production is small estate and increased local coffee consumption.
The conference meetings are complete waste of time.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: gout on June 11, 2023, 01:32:57 PM
They will 'reconcile' once they find these are Kenyatta's and ndinasties money laundering vehicles.

State Capture Commission would have gone deeper than Mbarire. There is no one to go after global conglomerates while we are all over begging them to come.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 11, 2023, 02:20:56 PM
But it same web of companies?
Clearly something is wrong.
Eve if they are scamming farmers 5bob - it still a lot of money.
Coffee board as regulator seem to have failed.
What percentage of kenya coffee is bought by 4 local "cartel"? What's is their margin when they resell to global buyers? Marketing companies only get 2% of sale price. Last year prices were the highest in record, there were no cartels? Coffee is a commodity prices determined by global economic forces. They should compare farmers coffee prices with other countries e.g. ethiopia or columbia .
What percentage of coffee produced is Grade 1 i.e AA, AB and PB? Coffee production per kg should be ksh.40, the increased production cost(including labour) is much bigger problem than market opacity. The future of coffee production is small estate and increased local coffee consumption.
The conference meetings are complete waste of time.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 11, 2023, 02:21:23 PM
Exactly. It Ruto major failed promise.
They will 'reconcile' once they find these are Kenyatta's and ndinasties money laundering vehicles.

State Capture Commission would have gone deeper than Mbarire. There is no one to go after global conglomerates while we are all over begging them to come.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: yulemsee on June 12, 2023, 12:54:50 AM
Exactly. It Ruto major failed promise.
Kenyans elected a wolf to watch over their flock, are you suprised?
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 12, 2023, 01:13:09 AM
I am aware Ruto has scored 95% - and has failed in 5%. I am happy with that. Maybe you and Raila would have achieved 100%. We will never find out.
Kenyans elected a wolf to watch over their flock, are you suprised?
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on June 12, 2023, 07:32:41 AM
But it same web of companies?
Clearly something is wrong.
Eve if they are scamming farmers 5bob - it still a lot of money.
Coffee board as regulator seem to have failed.
What percentage of kenya coffee is bought by 4 local "cartel"? What's is their margin when they resell to global buyers? Marketing companies only get 2% of sale price. Last year prices were the highest in record, there were no cartels? Coffee is a commodity prices determined by global economic forces. They should compare farmers coffee prices with other countries e.g. ethiopia or columbia .
What percentage of coffee produced is Grade 1 i.e AA, AB and PB? Coffee production per kg should be ksh.40, the increased production cost(including labour) is much bigger problem than market opacity. The future of coffee production is small estate and increased local coffee consumption.
The conference meetings are complete waste of time.
Coffee brokers e.g ibero or dormans buy coffee from the auction and they don't buy at a cheaper rate than global merchant companies e.g louis drefus or cargill. All the coffee companies have milling, marketing and trading arms just like ktda.  The dynasties(kenyatta) are marginal players in the coffee industry and pius ngugi of thika mills is actually being auctioned off. The boogey man of coffee is so called cartels, meanwhile specialty coffee farmers are making good returns using direct sale window. Coffee solution is producing high grade coffee and direct sales.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 12, 2023, 08:48:34 AM
I think generally speaking coffee has no future in Mt kenya except for speciality - quality over quantity.
GoK should focus on new areas to grow coffee in large scale - if it want to raise coffee quantity.
Most of maize growing regions in rift valley should transition into large scale coffee production.
That is where next coffee growth can happen - Mt kenya is pretty much hopeless coffee speaking.
We have had 30yrs of the same problems, same arguments, same intervention - and it just keep getting worse - as farmers uproot coffee.
Coffee brokers e.g ibero or dormans buy coffee from the auction and they don't buy at a cheaper rate than global merchant companies e.g louis drefus or cargill. All the coffee companies have milling, marketing and trading arms just like ktda.  The dynasties(kenyatta) are marginal players in the coffee industry and pius ngugi of thika mills is actually being auctioned off. The boogey man of coffee is so called cartels, meanwhile specialty coffee farmers are making good returns using direct sale window. Coffee solution is producing high grade coffee and direct sales.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: Kadudu on June 12, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
 :D :D :D :D
How did he get rich himself? By selling chicken!

Kenyans elected a wolf to watch over their flock, are you suprised?
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2023-06-12-they-killed-my-brother-gachagua-unearths-rot-in-coffee-sector/ this is the stupidity of it all.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: Kadudu on June 12, 2023, 02:39:19 PM
Gachagua is smoking something we do not know.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2023-06-12-they-killed-my-brother-gachagua-unearths-rot-in-coffee-sector/ this is the stupidity of it all.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 12, 2023, 04:31:57 PM
Agreed - he should avoid such cheap politics as deputy president.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2023-06-12-they-killed-my-brother-gachagua-unearths-rot-in-coffee-sector/ this is the stupidity of it all.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: sema on June 12, 2023, 06:46:29 PM
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pius ngugi of thika mills is actually being auctioned

Is Pius going broke?

Also, why is it that specialty farmers can sell directly and not other regular farmers?

Also, ruto was the minister of agriculture at some point so I"m sure those brokers showed up in his office with suitcases and he knows who they are and how they work.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on June 13, 2023, 09:46:08 AM
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pius ngugi of thika mills is actually being auctioned

Is Pius going broke?

Also, why is it that specialty farmers can sell directly and not other regular farmers?

Also, ruto was the minister of agriculture at some point so I"m sure those brokers showed up in his office with suitcases and he knows who they are and how they work.
Specialty coffee is high quality coffee that's sold to craft coffee houses e.g intelligensia coffee or blue bottle. The low quality coffee is bought by coffee brokers and consolidators. Brokers don't need government once their license is issued , that's why they're called "cartels". Ruto when he was minister for agriculture gave license to nyambene coffee mills(the wife of the meru guy is a kalenjin), which now is struggling.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 13, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
Listening to Francis Gaitho..problems seem to be corrupt cofee coop for smallholders
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: Georgesoros on June 13, 2023, 01:54:55 PM
Are there ""cartels"?
Seems like fake news.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on June 13, 2023, 03:07:27 PM
Listening to Francis Gaitho..problems seem to be corrupt cofee coop for smallholders
Cooperative monopolies.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 13, 2023, 03:11:51 PM
You Nailed it. It appears each operate on large areas. Think it time to go for small companies like KTDA model?
Cooperative monopolies.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: sema on June 13, 2023, 04:42:33 PM
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Ruto when he was minister for agriculture gave license to nyambene coffee mills(the wife of the meru guy is a kalenjin), which now is struggling.

Why is it struggling?

Also, how can these cooperative monopolies be broken up? Mbairirie was even worried about her security when she mentioned them.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: RV Pundit on June 16, 2023, 01:16:00 PM
All coffee license cancelled
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Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: gout on June 17, 2023, 10:29:14 AM
Another lazy easy path.
No firing and prosecution of those who have been issuing the licenses for abuse of offices.
The KPCUs thieves still living large as we plan to pump more money into the network.

Next year, we will hear how tonnes of coffee were 'lost' due to the cancellation confusion.

All coffee license cancelled
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Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on July 25, 2023, 09:03:33 AM
Another lazy easy path.
No firing and prosecution of those who have been issuing the licenses for abuse of offices.
The KPCUs thieves still living large as we plan to pump more money into the network.

Next year, we will hear how tonnes of coffee were 'lost' due to the cancellation confusion.
And the mess has started https://nation.africa/kenya/business/coffee-auction-remains-suspended-for-third-week-farmers-hit--4310222 . Early crop is going to fetch record low prices if it'll be sold at all. Coffee farmers from eastern province will suffer greatly since they produce bulk of the early crop.  Government is going to blame cartels for fighting back or some other lame excuse . Liberalize the sector and let the chips fall where they may.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: gout on July 27, 2023, 11:22:12 AM
Oh oh. Hold my coffee.

Another lazy easy path.
No firing and prosecution of those who have been issuing the licenses for abuse of offices.
The KPCUs thieves still living large as we plan to pump more money into the network.

Next year, we will hear how tonnes of coffee were 'lost' due to the cancellation confusion.
And the mess has started https://nation.africa/kenya/business/coffee-auction-remains-suspended-for-third-week-farmers-hit--4310222 . Early crop is going to fetch record low prices if it'll be sold at all. Coffee farmers from eastern province will suffer greatly since they produce bulk of the early crop.  Government is going to blame cartels for fighting back or some other lame excuse . Liberalize the sector and let the chips fall where they may.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: Kadudu on August 02, 2023, 11:02:08 AM
Things are getting thick in the coffee market. It seems KK regime has no clue of how to go about reforming the coffee market.  According to the article below, the international coffee industry is already moving away from the more expensive Arabica coffee that Kenya produces. Interruptions in the supply of Arabica coffee will just open the doors for the cheaper Robusta coffee. Kenya's small scale farmers are in trouble. Once the coffee market chain is disrupted and the world coffee market move on without Kenyan coffee, it will not be easy to set foot again. It is now one month since Kenya exported its last coffee. Nobody sems to know the way forward.

The reforms in the coffee industry are needed urgently, but these have to be thought through carefully and not pushed through by decree.

https://nation.africa/kenya/weekly-review/why-rigathi-gachagua-coffee-cartels-fight-hurting-farmers--4322964
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: Githunguri on August 02, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
I think we have about 200k coffee farmers,If you factor the coffee industry from manufacturing logistics shipping,lots of people affected.

Ruto is messing every industry.I don't see how he can get re-elected.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on August 02, 2023, 02:44:17 PM
This regime is anti-business especially independent businesses that aren't reliant on government. Administration brokers are busy registering companies trying to takeover from already established companies. Buyers determine prices and Kenya  is a very small producer in the global coffee market, hell Kenya can cease producing coffee and the impact would be much.  Coffee farming especially for small scale farmers wont survive this regime. The idiocy of thinking that government can determine global prices is beyond foolish.
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: Kadudu on August 02, 2023, 02:48:35 PM
Maybe we can now revive Chepkube. Some of you do not know history. Chepkube is a town at the Kenyan border to Uganda. It was used to smuggle coffee from Uganda to kenya in the 70's in the heydays of Idi Amin regime. Now it could be used to traffic coffee in the opposite direction. :D
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: hk on August 02, 2023, 02:59:49 PM
Maybe we can now revive Chepkube. Some of you do not know history. Chepkube is a town at the Kenyan border to Uganda. It was used to smuggle coffee from Uganda to kenya in the 70's in the heydays of Idi Amin regime. Now it could be used to traffic coffee in the opposite direction. :D
Not far fetched, we have to sell coffee somewhere.  Already coffee traders have started sending samples to foreign buyers in rwanda and uganda. 
Title: Re: Kenya COFFEE cartel - shocking
Post by: gout on August 05, 2023, 10:49:44 AM
The increasing demand for Robusta shows that mzungu is smelling the lies since Chepkube. The well connected thugs have been selling Robusta from Uganda as Arabica since Chepkubes 70s.