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Title: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: Githunguri on March 06, 2023, 08:35:37 AM
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Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 06, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
Of course he is...if he survive for another term..he is going to be strong contender in 2032..10yrs and he will be ready for prime time
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 06, 2023, 09:24:02 AM
He can be , he is an ODMer by heart and has ODM admirers . When he got to parliament in 2013 and we were having a drink in Tamasha Hurlingham most of his  entourage were Pure ODMer hurting from Raila loss of 2013
 
Of course he is...if he survive for another term..he is going to be strong contender in 2032..10yrs and he will be ready for prime time
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: Githunguri on March 06, 2023, 11:15:23 AM
In a multi ethnic society like Kenya with 50 +1 rule for winning a presidential contest,There is no room for ethnic extremism.Thats what sakaja is doing in Nairobi,Striking deals with everybody.Kikuyu Luo you name it.

I think if he were to go for UDA primaries with Ndindi UDA party 2032,He would give Ndindi a dog beating.

If Babu owino who looks like the most probable Raila heir enters into a contest with Ndindi in 2032,It will be Sakaja 55% Babu 44% till 2042.
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: Githunguri on March 06, 2023, 11:16:23 AM
Sakaja is calling Rigathi a biatch in the most civilized way while school him infront of Jesus winner kikuyu.
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 06, 2023, 12:58:05 PM
Sakaja is great - he only need to make sure Ruto protect him from Rigathi for the first term - and really beef up his  personal security.

Sakaja first straddle two important const - he is half luhya half kalenjin - that is huge - if he can beat maDVD - he can easily start at 30% - esp if Gachagua is the candidate and many kalenjin are not comfortable with his leadership.

Anyway Sakaja has to first confront Rigathi and maDVD - and hope Ruto stay away from succession.

As for the idiot called BABU OWINO - WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY on earth would anyone consider him anything. He cannot become anything beyond MP. He even failed to become parliament chairman for ODM.

LUO PEOPLE WILL NEVER GO WITH CHOKORA CHOTARA like BABU. He can only excite Nairobi slumdwellers.

In a multi ethnic society like Kenya with 50 +1 rule for winning a presidential contest,There is no room for ethnic extremism.Thats what sakaja is doing in Nairobi,Striking deals with everybody.Kikuyu Luo you name it.

I think if he were to go for UDA primaries with Ndindi UDA party 2032,He would give Ndindi a dog beating.

If Babu owino who looks like the most probable Raila heir enters into a contest with Ndindi in 2032,It will be Sakaja 55% Babu 44% till 2042.
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 06, 2023, 12:59:51 PM
Raila must have done you very bad in 2007 :) you have never recovered. There is no more ODM person than Ruto. Parties in kenya mean nothing.
He can be , he is an ODMer by heart and has ODM admirers . When he got to parliament in 2013 and we were having a drink in Tamasha Hurlingham most of his  entourage were Pure ODMer hurting from Raila loss of 2013
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on March 06, 2023, 02:00:06 PM
Good luck with Sakaja, anyways he has time lets see if he survives 5 years well GEMA in Nairobi could pull a fast one and demand their candidate for governor,you see Ruto will do more listening to GEMA in 27 than he did in 22 . Am seeing Sakaja being appointed CS then.
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 06, 2023, 02:05:10 PM
CS fits him well . He would do a good job .

Good luck with Sakaja, anyways he has time lets see if he survives 5 years well GEMA in Nairobi could pull one fast one and demand their candidate for governor,you see Ruto will do more listening to GEMA in 27 than he did in 22 . Am seeing Sakaja being appointed CS then.
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 06, 2023, 02:50:41 PM
Who in GEMA will get Nairobi votes? Start there :) Sakaja will get governorship either in UDA or he can even cross over to opposition;

2022 - that is game for everyone - because again Gachagua bado tosha mboga.

Good luck with Sakaja, anyways he has time lets see if he survives 5 years well GEMA in Nairobi could pull a fast one and demand their candidate for governor,you see Ruto will do more listening to GEMA in 27 than he did in 22 . Am seeing Sakaja being appointed CS then.
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 06, 2023, 02:52:44 PM
Nope - he has rare political and leadership skills - that supersede CS. You want to knock him out because he is a threat to a future GEMA candidate. Instead of trying to have GEMA candidates step up, measure up and try to win national support.

Gachagua has to stop behaving like a damn fool - if he wants to be the president of kenya - otherwise Ruto will NOT FORCE kenya to make him PORK.

Already prospect of another Kikuyu-Kalenjin doesnt look good - so Gachagua really need to work on his PR - otherwise Sakaja will win big - outside even KK - he will only need 1/3 of kalenjin to break out - and he TKO Gachagua.

You dont promote your weak candidate - by destroying young talents.

CS fits him well . He would do a good job .
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: sema on March 06, 2023, 03:04:25 PM
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and really beef up his  personal security.

why would he need to do this?
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 06, 2023, 03:05:19 PM
Gachagua play rough.
Ask the brilliant Wahome Gakuru in heaven now.
Gachagua is physically hostile to Sakaja because he knows is a threat. Sakaja has a charisma and Ruto mien leadership. Gachagua knows it.

Sakaja should beef up his security. The game at that level is very deadly.

why would he need to do this?
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 06, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
I personally know Sakaja and at one point of time was a drink buddy and not only .
Even when he was nominated Mp for TNA i was vouching for him to become CS for youth and sports affairs .
As for him being a politician he was lucky and played his cards well in 2017 . As for 2022 he was just super lucky by the blunders of Azimio.
Initial his eyes were to become SG for ANC within Railas coalition  and then negotiate for a CS position once The coalition wins.
In one of our conversations I told him point blank you need to recognize Ruto as you leader coz Mudavadi will be going there , he jokingly told me He is my leader as Deputy Partly leader of Jubilee .  Months later they were in the same team .
Now tell me can Sakaja mobilize and command a million people in Uhuru park ? Or Tononoka grounds ? Or lets say somewhere in Western   Ruto and Raila can …..
As for GEMA candidate this or that Im anti Raila politics of Tribal kingpins , I prefer Ruto politics of National leaders where he received most of his votes from GEMA where as he is not a local there  . But then I understand you as an ODMer who believes in regional leaders to National leaders .

Nope - he has rare political and leadership skills - that supersede CS. You want to knock him out because he is a threat to a future GEMA candidate. Instead of trying to have GEMA candidates step up, measure up and try to win a national support.

Gachagua has to stop behaving like a damn fool - if he wants to be the president of kenya - otherwise Ruto will NOT FORCE kenya to make him PORK.

Already prospect of another Kikuyu-Kalenjin doesnt look good - so Gachagua really need to work on his PR - otherwise Sakaja will win big - outside even KK - he will only need 1/3 of kalenjin to break out - and he TKO Gachagua

CS fits him well . He would do a good job .
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 06, 2023, 03:12:08 PM
Sakaja is 37 and Nairobi governor. And you're who again? A failed russian pilot?

Personally I look for great leaders. I supported Kibaki until 2005. Raila for a year although I was really backing Ruto - not idiot like Raila. Then I have been with Ruto all along...I was done with ODM in Sagana...way faster than Ruto...I voted for drunkard Uhuru but never backed him...I was voting for Ruto.

So my voting record - Kibaki and Ruto.

For 2032 - if Ruto cannot continue - I will see - Sakaja is one of my top candidates - Ndidi - 2nd - 3rd Ichungwa.

Gachagua hapo ni NGUMU KIDOGO.

Ideally I will support calls to remove 2 terms if Gachagua is only option.

I personally know Sakaja and at one point of time was a drink buddy and not only .
Even when he was nominated Mp for TNA i was vouching for him to become CS for youth and sports affairs .
As for him being a politician he was lucky and played his cards well in 2017 . As for 2022 he was just super lucky by the blunders of Azimio.
Initial his eyes were to become SG for ANC within Railas coalition  and then negotiate for a CS position once The coalition wins.
In one of our conversations I told him point blank you need to recognize Ruto as you leader coz Mudavadi will be going there , he jokingly told me He is my leader as Deputy Partly leader of Jubilee .  Months later they were in the same team .
Now tell me can Sakaja mobilize and command a million people in Uhuru park ? Or Tononoka grounds ? Or lets say somewhere in Western   Ruto and Raila can …..
As for GEMA candidate this or that Im anti Raila politics of Tribal kingpins , I prefer Ruto politics of National leaders where he received most of his votes from GEMA where as he is not a local there  . But then I understand you as an ODMer who believes in regional leaders to National leaders .

Nope - he has rare political and leadership skills - that supersede CS. You want to knock him out because he is a threat to a future GEMA candidate. Instead of trying to have GEMA candidates step up, measure up and try to win a national support.

Gachagua has to stop behaving like a damn fool - if he wants to be the president of kenya - otherwise Ruto will NOT FORCE kenya to make him PORK.

Already prospect of another Kikuyu-Kalenjin doesnt look good - so Gachagua really need to work on his PR - otherwise Sakaja will win big - outside even KK - he will only need 1/3 of kalenjin to break out - and he TKO Gachagua

CS fits him well . He would do a good job .
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: sema on March 07, 2023, 12:26:31 AM
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Ask the brilliant Wahome Gakuru in heaven now.

Thought it was just a grizzly car accident?
Title: Re: Sakaja.What a great politician.
Post by: RV Pundit on March 07, 2023, 01:56:07 AM
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Ask the brilliant Wahome Gakuru in heaven now.

Thought it was just a grizzly car accident?
or maybe he was pushed into the rails as he was asking too many questions....Gachagua had been running nyeri since his brother became indisposed. I WOULD NOT TRUST GACHAGUA .In Moi era special branch would engineer road accident...trail you..before you get blocked..as you fly into ditch.Many died...kibaki landed in a ditch and escaped. I knew many NIS former special branch in 2000s..one of then shot a street kid just for small infractions  in my presence. He is now dead - but that guy was arrogant like hell - I think a street kid tried to snatch side mirror at Nyayo house at night -  he just shot him - and they we went laughing - to Milimani - then Pronto then all dingy bars. He had fancy office at Nyati house - then most scary office to go into - I never got inside it. They were trained killers. They induced road accidents.They would trail you..get you into a chase..then toss you over.

They were like EJK crew - special branch - became NIS - Nyati house - started to become proffesionals - they hired graduates.

Otherwise special branch in 1990s was bad news. They were a law unto themselves...they kill your or torture you.