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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Njuri Ncheke on March 04, 2023, 10:19:45 AM
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Even though myself I harbour same feelings getting insulted this much as made my blood boil, this insults are a cumulation of what I always say cooks,drivers and Porters constitute KDF.
https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/special-reports/uganda-faces-tough-choices-in-dr-congo-4130484
Special Reports
PRIME
Uganda faces tough choices in DR Congo
Monday, February 20, 2023
Uganda People’s Defence Forces (UPDF) soldiers prepare to bomb Allied Democratic Forces camps at Luanoli in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo on March 8, 2022. PHOTO | FILE
By Frederic Musisi
What you need to know:
The M23 rebel group resumed fighting in the restive eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) in November 2021 and by the end of last year, the group had seized large swathes of the North Kivu province, which borders Rwanda and Uganda.
A November 2021 UN panel of experts report accused Rwandan armed forces of operating inside eastern DRC and extending support to the Tutsi-led rebel group, claims denied by Kigali. With both countries ramping up their military firepower, North Kivu has been turned into a tinderbox. Uganda, which currently has troops in the DRC, continues to tread carefully, writes Frederic Musisi
The East African Community Regional Force (EACRF) in eastern DRC is under immense pressure to decisively deal with the Tutsi-led M23 rebel group that continues to capture vast swathes of the North Kivu Province in the eastern DRC province.
The EACRF, according to multiple sources, is “stuck” on the basis of some of the five East African Community (EAC) member countries having “selfish interests” in the restive eastern DRC. Rwanda has been singled out to support the M23, while Uganda which might have “leverage” over the former and has the capability to take on the M23 rebels is avoiding direct confrontation.
So far, Burundi, Kenya, and South Sudan have deployed armies under the EACRF to eastern DRC, one of the most volatile pockets on earth, while Tanzania— fence-sitters are “evaluating” the situation. Uganda is under immense pressure to deploy to North Kivu to buttress the Kenyan Defence Forces (KDF) currently stationed in Goma.
Largely a lame-duck force without much experience in asymmetrical warfare, the Kenyan force has not been able to halt the advancing M23 rebels.
Kenya, whose former President Uhuru Kenyatta is the facilitator of the EAC-led peace process, which does not share a border with DRC, was viewed a neutral arbiter and handed the overall role to coordinate the regional forces.
Highly placed sources told Daily Monitor that Nairobi is “highly” banking on the Kampala regime—Uganda People’s Defence Forces (UPDF) forces—for reinforcements in DRC, in case they get repulsed by the Rwanda-backed M23 rebel group. The international community, sources added, is also banking on the UPDF, which is expected to deploy about 2,500 UPDF soldiers, to play a decisive role in plucking out the M23 guerillas.
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I don't think Kenyans are keen to fight..they are conflicted.Ruto was financed by Museveni and kagame...while Tsiekendi financed Raila.KDF just went there because Azimio had already agreed. Ruto should move out the troops.Ruto cannot fight Rwanda m23 neither can it challenge Museveni game.We need an honorable exit.
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I don't think Kenyans are keen to fight..they are conflicted.Ruto was financed by Museveni and kagame...while Tsiekendi financed Raila.KDF just went there because Azimio had already agreed. Ruto should move out the troops.Ruto cannot fight Rwanda m23 neither can it challenge Museveni game.We need an honorable exit.
I fully agree we must exit now before we get embroiled in that mess . We have a very small force there its doesn't have any impact,Uhuru was doing this for personal interest.
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I don't think Kenyans are keen to fight..they are conflicted.Ruto was financed by Museveni and kagame...while Tsiekendi financed Raila.KDF just went there because Azimio had already agreed. Ruto should move out the troops.Ruto cannot fight Rwanda m23 neither can it challenge Museveni game.We need an honorable exit.
Pulling out KDF yes! That is the wisest move at the moment. As for the rest of your statement, I believe the west pushed wsr into sending kdf into that cesspit.
Should we continue in that trajectory, start preparing bodybags and coffins, for it will be a massacre of huge proportions.
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You're wrong.
Museveni and Kagame - and west - are aligned.
Don't be lured by those media game.
I worked with CIA kind of guys during Moi era - there are long standing rules/allies/name it.
US will always depend on Museveni and Kagame - in fact they keep training them.
It not easy to build alliance - and they dont destroy it.
Just like during Moi era - the US will pretend to talk tough for public - while classified stuff is happening.
Ruto is aligned with Museveni/Kagame/US/UK on DRC - meaning dont fight M23 - manage them.
I doubt M23 will attack kenya neither with DRC army.
The only problem is reputational risk - where everyone see KDF as ineffective.
Massacre - can only happen in Somalia - DRC those guys are cowards. You should see couple of their videos.
Nobody except Congolese want a peaceful powerful DRC - all of them just want to manage the violence.
Pulling out KDF yes! That is the wisest move at the moment. As for the rest of your statement, I believe the west pushed wsr into sending kdf into that cesspit.
Should we continue in that trajectory, start preparing bodybags and coffins, for it will be a massacre of huge proportions.
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You're wrong.
Museveni and Kagame - and west - are aligned.
Don't be lured by those media game.
I worked with CIA kind of guys during Moi era - there are long standing rules/allies/name it.
US will always depend on Museveni and Kagame - in fact they keep training them.
It not easy to build alliance - and they dont destroy it.
Just like during Moi era - the US will pretend to talk tough for public - while classified stuff is happening.
Ruto is aligned with Museveni/Kagame/US/UK on DRC - meaning dont fight M23 - manage them.
I doubt M23 will attack kenya neither with DRC army.
The only problem is reputational risk - where everyone see KDF as ineffective.
Massacre - can only happen in Somalia - DRC those guys are cowards. You should see couple of their videos.
Nobody except Congolese want a peaceful powerful DRC - all of them just want to manage the violence.
Pulling out KDF yes! That is the wisest move at the moment. As for the rest of your statement, I believe the west pushed wsr into sending kdf into that cesspit.
Should we continue in that trajectory, start preparing bodybags and coffins, for it will be a massacre of huge proportions.
CORRECTION
Museveni and Kagame are not USA allies.
Rwanda Uganda and DRC major trading partners are China where they ship and smuggle minerals and get arms through UAE arms brokers.
The USA has very little influence in DRC RWANDA AND UGANDA.All minerals head to China.Thats why they demonize Kagame and M7 every minute to bring about regime change.Both M7 and Kagame are Tutsi so M23 ADF UPDF and Rwanda defence forces are all Tutsi.
M7 and Kagame supported Ruto.USA EU supported Ruto.The USA AND EU want to kick China out of DRC.The question is,Will Ruto betray M7 and Kagame?
Both Uganda and Rwanda nation states and military stability is built on smuggling DRC minerals.Any attempt to kick out M23 will result in M7/Kagame Vs Ruto.Will see who goes down first.
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Look at you - what a moron.
You think US cares about GOLD - when it has the minting machine - when it print dollars which is more valuable than gold.
US are in DRC since 1960s when they killed Patrice Lumumba.
They care about Uranium and such minerals.
Gold is left for Kagame and Museveni to sell to stupid Indians, Chinese and Arabs.
US cares about Uranium and such rare metals that very strategic.... French and Russian too.
Russian wagner are in central Africa mining Uranium - French in most of west Africa.
Gold and Diamond are left for Africans to sell to Asia - and make their money. Uranium is flown directly abroad.
South Africa obviously is modern strong country - and will sell Uranium to whoever they like - and US dont want such countries...neither do french...nor russian...because they can easily make it very expensive.
CORRECTION
Museveni and Kagame are not USA allies.
Rwanda Uganda and DRC major trading partners are China where they ship and smuggle minerals and get arms through UAE arms brokers.
The USA has very little influence in DRC RWANDA AND UGANDA.All minerals head to China.Thats why they demonize Kagame and M7 every minute to bring about regime change.Both M7 and Kagame are Tutsi so M23 ADF UPDF and Rwanda defence forces are all Tutsi.
M7 and Kagame supported Ruto.USA EU supported Ruto.The USA AND EU want to kick China out of DRC.The question is,Will Ruto betray M7 and Kagame?
Both Uganda and Rwanda nation states and military stability is built on smuggling DRC minerals.Any attempt to kick out M23 will result in M7/Kagame Vs Ruto.Will see who goes down first.
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This is where madharau comes in. Tanzanians, Ugandans, Rwandans, Congolosese know Kenyans only think pesa. Sisi ni malaya wa pesa.
You're wrong.
Museveni and Kagame - and west - are aligned.
Don't be lured by those media game.
I worked with CIA kind of guys during Moi era - there are long standing rules/allies/name it.
US will always depend on Museveni and Kagame - in fact they keep training them.
It not easy to build alliance - and they dont destroy it.
Just like during Moi era - the US will pretend to talk tough for public - while classified stuff is happening.
Ruto is aligned with Museveni/Kagame/US/UK on DRC - meaning dont fight M23 - manage them.
I doubt M23 will attack kenya neither with DRC army.
The only problem is reputational risk - where everyone see KDF as ineffective.
Massacre - can only happen in Somalia - DRC those guys are cowards. You should see couple of their videos.
Nobody except Congolese want a peaceful powerful DRC - all of them just want to manage the violence.
Pulling out KDF yes! That is the wisest move at the moment. As for the rest of your statement, I believe the west pushed wsr into sending kdf into that cesspit.
Should we continue in that trajectory, start preparing bodybags and coffins, for it will be a massacre of huge proportions.