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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on January 24, 2023, 10:53:13 PM

Title: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: KenyanPlato on January 24, 2023, 10:53:13 PM
he want universities privatized. there goes any chance of poor people from accessing university education
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Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: KenyanPlato on January 24, 2023, 10:56:53 PM
kuria is eating with big spoon
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Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: patel on January 25, 2023, 04:55:08 AM
This man is a disaster. Cannt see common good in education. Public education has been the greatest equalizer in kenya.
he want universities privatized. there goes any chance of poor people from accessing university education
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Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: patel on January 25, 2023, 04:56:07 AM
Shame

kuria is eating with big spoon
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Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 05:42:35 AM
I support kuria..we also need to privatize hospitals.Gok should concentrate on offering loans to students and medical insurance..not try to run and manage...such institutions..that depends on public funding. SELL ALL 250 SOES.Allow private sector to work the magic.We already have gov funded students in private universities...gov should focus on creating higher education loans board that is self sustainable
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: Georgesoros on January 25, 2023, 07:28:53 AM
Moron. Moron. Moron.
Fund education at every level. Defund Mpigs and use the money for education.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 07:55:29 AM
Moron. Moron. Moron.
Fund education at every level. Defund Mpigs and use the money for education.

Gov already spend 600B plus on education..poorly run public uni havr
Moron. Moron. Moron.
Fund education at every level. Defund Mpigs and use the money for education.

You're the moron here unaware of the issues...we already spend 600b on education...that hasn't stopped universities chalking up 40B debt..most are now broke and unable pay salaries..should gov bail them..or privatise them..and focus on capitation per student given out as loan...or we spend all tax money on education...little on roads, water n basic infrastructure..300Mpgis parliament budget is small..
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: einstein_g on January 25, 2023, 08:10:34 AM
Without full information, I'm generally OK with American capital. It comes in at low cost. Can't find such debt/equity funding locally.

I support kuria..we also need to privatize hospitals.Gok should concentrate on offering loans to students and medical insurance..not try to run and manage...such institutions..that depends on public funding. SELL ALL 250 SOES.Allow private sector to work the magic.We already have gov funded students in private universities...gov should focus on creating higher education loans board that is self sustainable
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: einstein_g on January 25, 2023, 08:49:47 AM
Standards is something I feel very strongly about. I really do not want to be in a country where standards don't work. Especially coming from Moses Kuria who was electrocuted by a leg warmer. China is going to dump a lot of $#!t in Africa if we don't have standards. This can be very expensive. People get electrocuted & poisoned, buildings collapse & catch fire, people die from ineffective medicines, road accidents happen etc when standards don't work.

If we're going to be an efficient modern economy, we better have high functioning KEBS, Anti-Counterfeit Agency, NEMA etc with Matiangi-like people. Even building codes, zoning laws etc need to very strongly enforced. I've lived in Germany a bit. That's one country where there's an obsession with standards and quality control in general.


kuria is eating with big spoon
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Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Kirgit on January 25, 2023, 09:34:40 AM
Kuria should be investigated.

Ruto regime might become the worst structural adjustment before we recover from 70s mess.

The only way out is gold/asset backed currency that cannot be rigged like the USA is doing with dollar military complex system that few Kenyans keep praising.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
Ruto intends to sell many - if your russian oligarch want in - they are welcome
Kuria should be investigated.

Ruto regime might become the worst structural adjustment before we recover from 70s mess.

The only way out is gold/asset backed currency that cannot be rigged like the USA is doing with dollar military complex system that few Kenyans keep praising.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: Georgesoros on January 25, 2023, 12:57:51 PM
Moron. Moron. Moron.
Fund education at every level. Defund Mpigs and use the money for education.

Gov already spend 600B plus on education..poorly run public uni havr
Moron. Moron. Moron.
Fund education at every level. Defund Mpigs and use the money for education.

You're the moron here unaware of the issues...we already spend 600b on education...that hasn't stopped universities chalking up 40B debt..most are now broke and unable pay salaries..should gov bail them..or privatise them..and focus on capitation per student given out as loan...or we spend all tax money on education...little on roads, water n basic infrastructure..300Mpgis parliament budget is small..
There you go again. Immaturity at best.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: Georgesoros on January 25, 2023, 12:59:12 PM
Standards is something I feel very strongly about. I really do not want to be in a country where standards don't work. Especially coming from Moses Kuria who was electrocuted by a leg warmer. China is going to dump a lot of $#!t in Africa if we don't have standards. This can be very expensive. People get electrocuted & poisoned, buildings collapse & catch fire, people die from ineffective medicines, road accidents happen etc when standards don't work.

If we're going to be an efficient modern economy, we better have high functioning KEBS, Anti-Counterfeit Agency, NEMA etc with Matiangi-like people. Even building codes, zoning laws etc need to very strongly enforced. I've lived in Germany a bit. That's one country where there's an obsession with standards and quality control in general.


kuria is eating with big spoon
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POLICY POLICY POLICY.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 01:08:11 PM
You started moron moron
There you go again. Immaturity at best.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: patel on January 25, 2023, 01:30:44 PM
Why stop at university ? Privatize secondary schools and primary schools too...what is the role of government? If the government solution is outsourcing everything to private entity then am afraid the govt has failed on its key roles.
Why are university heavily in debt ? That's the question we should be debating. My biggest fear is that Moses Kuria is too close to the president and at most occasion Moses kuria is used as trial Ballon for crazy ideas. I wonder if this is Ruto position.
I support kuria..we also need to privatize hospitals.Gok should concentrate on offering loans to students and medical insurance..not try to run and manage...such institutions..that depends on public funding. SELL ALL 250 SOES.Allow private sector to work the magic.We already have gov funded students in private universities...gov should focus on creating higher education loans board that is self sustainable
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: gout on January 25, 2023, 02:12:51 PM
Let the exams be moderated to allow more students entry marks to universities. Government sponsor a certain number, bring back cut off points. Others who qualify will pay for themselves. During module II there was no bankrupt university.

Ufool, Matiang'i and Magoha bullies found a working education system in 2013 and have now messed up everything and Hasla is going on with the shit instead of reversing it.

Why Hasla did not give Sossion a role in fixing the education crisis makes no sense. Colourless Machogu can have Matoke Industrial Park chair.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: sema on January 25, 2023, 02:33:10 PM
Why did free public education work in the 70's and briefly in the 80's until it all broke down? What went wrong? was it the collapse of the economy under Moi in the 90's or did the population just get too large?
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: gout on January 25, 2023, 03:01:19 PM
It was not working. Was purely elitist and never free. Moi brought inclusion into education.  The stories we hear about 'collapse' 'quality' during Moi were ones we were hearing about India education when everyone could get a degree. Overzealous Ufool, Matiang'i and Magoha used this 'quality' while we are yet toa achieve universal access even for primary schools.

What was termed as 'useless degrees' from India are running Europe and Asia.  Same with 8-4-4 graduates they are running things all over the world.

Why did free public education work in the 70's and briefly in the 80's until it all broke down? What went wrong? was it the collapse of the economy under Moi in the 90's or did the population just get too large?
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: KenyanPlato on January 25, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
It was not working. Was purely elitist and never free. Moi brought inclusion into education.  The stories we hear about 'collapse' 'quality' during Moi were ones we were hearing about India education when everyone could get a degree. Overzealous Ufool, Matiang'i and Magoha used this 'quality' while we are yet toa achieve universal access even for primary schools.

What was termed as 'useless degrees' from India are running Europe and Asia.  Same with 8-4-4 graduates they are running things all over the world.

Why did free public education work in the 70's and briefly in the 80's until it all broke down? What went wrong? was it the collapse of the economy under Moi in the 90's or did the population just get too large?

very good point. anyone who thinks that you can privatize education and not keep a lot of poor people from accessing education is being dishonest

we have enough private universities. if privatization was the answer uon would complaining of low enrollment
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: Kadudu on January 25, 2023, 04:35:45 PM
If privitasation is the medicine to all of Kenya's ills, why not privitise government too.

Already the people with money have theeir own education instituitions, hospitals, entertainment places and now even roads. What more do we want to privitise?

very good point. anyone who thinks that you can privatize education and not keep a lot of poor people from accessing education is being dishonest

we have enough private universities. if privatization was the answer uon would complaining of low enrollment
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 05:20:28 PM
It's just not about students..its about mentality. Two years ago I was helping my sister kid get admitted to diploma college..private do admission on spot..public you wait..then after you are admitted..they call few weeks to admission date to say not enough students. Who said university must teach degree course...why can't not admit diploma students in their thousands like private universities. WE NEED TO SELL THEM NO NON PROFIT..like churches or international universities...we can keep very few
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 05:22:27 PM
Universities can offer short courses, certificates, name it.
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: KenyanPlato on January 25, 2023, 07:14:11 PM
It's just not about students..its about mentality. Two years ago I was helping my sister kid get admitted to diploma college..private do admission on spot..public you wait..then after you are admitted..they call few weeks to admission date to say not enough students. Who said university must teach degree course...why can't not admit diploma students in their thousands like private universities. WE NEED TO SELL THEM NO NON PROFIT..like churches or international universities...we can keep very few

that is an administrative issue. needs to be addressed at administration level. public universities should remain pubkic.. they need bailouts, subsidies and innovation. financial management should be a priority. even usa that has ,
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: patel on January 25, 2023, 07:19:55 PM
Precisely. The worst part is the board that run these public institutions they are never held accountable for bone headed decisions.  Just like you can see Moses Kuria is appointing a certified thief in some boards...I can bet with high confidence level that guy is going to steal or make decisions that will fill his pockets.
It's just not about students..its about mentality. Two years ago I was helping my sister kid get admitted to diploma college..private do admission on spot..public you wait..then after you are admitted..they call few weeks to admission date to say not enough students. Who said university must teach degree course...why can't not admit diploma students in their thousands like private universities. WE NEED TO SELL THEM NO NON PROFIT..like churches or international universities...we can keep very few

that is an administrative issue. needs to be addressed at administration level. public universities should remain pubkic.. they need bailouts, subsidies and innovation. financial management should be a priority. even usa that has ,
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 07:31:06 PM
All universities including private are public; gov is regulator; and get 30% of all profit made;
Where will we get money to bailout mismanagment.

Gov spending on students is seperate issues from running public institution. Gov will decided who get gov scholarship and who get Loan - money wired irrespective of universities. Gov can also regulate fees charged.

Whatever we do - public SOE will always be mismanaged.

Anyway I am happy gov shares my opinion - and you & Tinga can make makelele

that is an administrative issue. needs to be addressed at administration level. public universities should remain pubkic.. they need bailouts, subsidies and innovation. financial management should be a priority. even usa that has ,
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: gout on January 25, 2023, 08:03:03 PM
Private universities are not doing better either. Mass failing of students in name of cheating since 2015 is the cause of the cash crunch.

Usual shenanigans of nyeuthi bureaucrats creating problems where there are none and then using hairbrained 'solutions' instead of swallowing the bitter pill that they have failed and resign.

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"Since our university is so indebted, we decided that all unserviceable debts be bought off by the church. Kenya Methodist University belongs to the church. So, the church gifted them a piece of land in Nairobi so that they can sell and clear their debts."

"As a result, the church will take over the university property like KeMU towers and KeMU hub. What we are doing is like a barter trade that will see the university debt free," Bishop Ntombura said.

In 2017, KeMU had debts of more than Sh3 billion including Sh1.7 billion owed to suppliers and part-time lecturers, Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) arrears of Sh400 million and an up-to-date bank loan of more than Sh1 billion.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/methodist-church-we-are-selling-nairobi-land-to-bail-out-kemu-4095230

Zeleza says the model of sponsoring students in private unis is unsustainable. It was sustained by threats and silencing of uni management and unions.

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In 2017, the government allowed publicly sponsored students to join private universities. We admitted about 140 such students but withdrew from the scheme a year later as the cost became unsustainable.

https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20220425084059716
Title: Re: American capital has captured Kuria
Post by: RV Pundit on January 25, 2023, 08:27:12 PM
Yes decisions to institute mass failure was wrong...maybe gov should minimum university entry to C..for certain courses