Western allies are not keen to end this war...they want Ukraine fighting Russia for a long time.
This works to Putin advantage. Russian Military can afford to sit back sending few missiles to Kiev every now and then. Can Ukraine afford that ? 80% of ukraine population has no power or gas in the middle of winter. Western allies will soon get tired of sending money and weapons to prop up comedian govt. Then there is rebuilding..it will take trillions to rebuild Ukraine...I doubt western allies are eager to cough that money.
Russian will be defeated and will foot the bill. Western allies are lynching Putin. He cant win. They will keep sending weapons while increasing sanctions on Russia.
The last thing remaining is to ask China and India to cut off trade with Russia. Trust me India and China will not lose EU/US market for cheap Russian oil/gas.
Then Russia will rush to negotiation table - they will be told to get out of Ukraine - retain Crimea - and rebuild Ukraine - from their oil and gas - which EU will import for free :) and money wired to Ukraine - until Russia complete paying for senseless shelling - in meantime Ukraine will be part of EU/NATO.
Putin by then is likely to have been killed by russians.This works to Putin advantage. Russian Military can afford to sit back sending few missiles to Kiev every now and then. Can Ukraine afford that ? 80% of ukraine population has no power or gas in the middle of winter. Western allies will soon get tired of sending money and weapons to prop up comedian govt. Then there is rebuilding..it will take trillions to rebuild Ukraine...I doubt western allies are eager to cough that money.
Russian will be defeated and will foot the bill. Western allies are lynching Putin. He cant win. They will keep sending weapons while increasing sanctions on Russia.
The last thing remaining is to ask China and India to cut off trade with Russia. Trust me India and China will not lose EU/US market for cheap Russian oil/gas.
Then Russia will rush to negotiation table - they will be told to get out of Ukraine - retain Crimea - and rebuild Ukraine - from their oil and gas - which EU will import for free :) and money wired to Ukraine - until Russia complete paying for senseless shelling - in meantime Ukraine will be part of EU/NATO.
Putin by then is likely to have been killed by russians.This works to Putin advantage. Russian Military can afford to sit back sending few missiles to Kiev every now and then. Can Ukraine afford that ? 80% of ukraine population has no power or gas in the middle of winter. Western allies will soon get tired of sending money and weapons to prop up comedian govt. Then there is rebuilding..it will take trillions to rebuild Ukraine...I doubt western allies are eager to cough that money.
Russia defeated Hitler and his coalition of Axis even though it took five years . It will be replicated . Afghanistan were sanctioned to the core and NATO coalition had the most advanced weapons and equipments but still lost after 20 years of waging the war.
You seem not to understand what is happening when you think India and China will join ant Russia coalition actually the opposite is happening they have increased their trade with Russia . China is already in Cold war with Western countries being sanctioned left and right .
I think you dont understand that Russia has not even mobilized . Russia has a population of more than a hundred Million if they were to enter a patriotic war their full mobilization will be the current remaining Ukrainian population.
Pundit it took a month for you to get brainwashed by Western media now think of those who have been feeding of Western media since 1980s.
Wacha mambo ya World war 2 :)
USSR/Soviet were defeated by US in afgan using this same Ukranian model - marking the end of cold war.
US financed Muhajideen who gave Soviet/USSR hell for 10yrs - while their economy tanked.
Russia is fighting a lost battle - because Ukraine are fighting in their country.
Russia are not welcomed in Ukraine.
For Russia to win this war - they should have gone for quck SHOCK and AWE - take over KIEV - put Russian leaning president - then do fake referendum in Donbas/Luhasnk.
They failed.
What is happening here is very clear.
Western Alies are united. EU/US is like 50% of world economy.
Europe now are busy decoupling from Russia. It almost complete.
Once they are energy sufficient - next is to find India/China alternative oil and gas.
Then they squeeze Russia.
In meantime Ukrainian are doing great job because they are fighting at home.Russia defeated Hitler and his coalition of Axis even though it took five years . It will be replicated . Afghanistan were sanctioned to the core and NATO coalition had the most advanced weapons and equipments but still lost after 20 years of waging the war.
You seem not to understand what is happening when you think India and China will join ant Russia coalition actually the opposite is happening they have increased their trade with Russia . China is already in Cold war with Western countries being sanctioned left and right .
I think you dont understand that Russia has not even mobilized . Russia has a population of more than a hundred Million if they were to enter a patriotic war their full mobilization will be the current remaining Ukrainian population.
Pundit it took a month for you to get brainwashed by Western media now think of those who have been feeding of Western media since 1980s.
Lots of theories. Before I go further answer this question .
How did U.S. defeat Soviets in Afghanistan and they lost to Afghanistan in Afghanistan ?Wacha mambo ya World war 2 :)
USSR/Soviet were defeated by US in afgan using this same Ukranian model - marking the end of cold war.
US financed Muhajideen who gave Soviet/USSR hell for 10yrs - while their economy tanked.
Russia is fighting a lost battle - because Ukraine are fighting in their country.
Russia are not welcomed in Ukraine.
For Russia to win this war - they should have gone for quck SHOCK and AWE - take over KIEV - put Russian leaning president - then do fake referendum in Donbas/Luhasnk.
They failed.
What is happening here is very clear.
Western Alies are united. EU/US is like 50% of world economy.
Europe now are busy decoupling from Russia. It almost complete.
Once they are energy sufficient - next is to find India/China alternative oil and gas.
Then they squeeze Russia.
In meantime Ukrainian are doing great job because they are fighting at home.Russia defeated Hitler and his coalition of Axis even though it took five years . It will be replicated . Afghanistan were sanctioned to the core and NATO coalition had the most advanced weapons and equipments but still lost after 20 years of waging the war.
You seem not to understand what is happening when you think India and China will join ant Russia coalition actually the opposite is happening they have increased their trade with Russia . China is already in Cold war with Western countries being sanctioned left and right .
I think you dont understand that Russia has not even mobilized . Russia has a population of more than a hundred Million if they were to enter a patriotic war their full mobilization will be the current remaining Ukrainian population.
Pundit it took a month for you to get brainwashed by Western media now think of those who have been feeding of Western media since 1980s.
Soviet-Afgan - US backed Afgan - end results - Soviet collapse.
NATO versus Afgan - NATO pulled out
Difference - Democracy versus Dictatorship.
US has managed to get out of bad wars because the politicians listen to public or they get fired. Veitnam/Afgan/etc - Western Nations cut their losses when it became unjustifiably high.
Russia only listen to Putin Now. He can dig in for a long time - at great cost - already 100K russian soldiers deadLots of theories. Before I go further answer this question .
How did U.S. defeat Soviets in Afghanistan and they lost to Afghanistan in Afghanistan ?Wacha mambo ya World war 2 :)
USSR/Soviet were defeated by US in afgan using this same Ukranian model - marking the end of cold war.
US financed Muhajideen who gave Soviet/USSR hell for 10yrs - while their economy tanked.
Russia is fighting a lost battle - because Ukraine are fighting in their country.
Russia are not welcomed in Ukraine.
For Russia to win this war - they should have gone for quck SHOCK and AWE - take over KIEV - put Russian leaning president - then do fake referendum in Donbas/Luhasnk.
They failed.
What is happening here is very clear.
Western Alies are united. EU/US is like 50% of world economy.
Europe now are busy decoupling from Russia. It almost complete.
Once they are energy sufficient - next is to find India/China alternative oil and gas.
Then they squeeze Russia.
In meantime Ukrainian are doing great job because they are fighting at home.Russia defeated Hitler and his coalition of Axis even though it took five years . It will be replicated . Afghanistan were sanctioned to the core and NATO coalition had the most advanced weapons and equipments but still lost after 20 years of waging the war.
You seem not to understand what is happening when you think India and China will join ant Russia coalition actually the opposite is happening they have increased their trade with Russia . China is already in Cold war with Western countries being sanctioned left and right .
I think you dont understand that Russia has not even mobilized . Russia has a population of more than a hundred Million if they were to enter a patriotic war their full mobilization will be the current remaining Ukrainian population.
Pundit it took a month for you to get brainwashed by Western media now think of those who have been feeding of Western media since 1980s.
When I say some people are brainwashed by Western media I mean . So for Pundit Soviet were defeated but U.S withdrew .
Soviet exit and change of Afghan leadership, 1985–1989
Foreign diplomatic efforts
As early as 1983, Pakistan's Foreign Ministry began working with the Soviet Union to provide them an exit from Afghanistan, initiatives led by Foreign Minister Yaqub Ali Khan and Khurshid Kasuri. Despite an active support for insurgent groups, Pakistanis remained sympathetic to the challenges faced by the Soviets in restoring the peace, eventually exploring the possibility of setting up an interim system of government under former monarch Zahir Shah, but this was not authorized by President Zia-ul-Haq due to his stance on the issue of the Durand line.:?247–248?[230] In 1984–85, Foreign Minister Yaqub Ali Khan paid state visits to China, Saudi Arabia, Soviet Union, France, United States and the United Kingdom in order to develop a framework. On 20 July 1987, the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the country was announced. The withdrawal of Soviet forces was planned out by Col. General Boris Gromov, who, at the time, was the commander of the 40th Army.[citation needed]
April 1985 – January 1987: Exit strategy
Awards ceremony for the 9th Company
Soviet soldier in Afghanistan, 1988
The first step of the Soviet Union's exit strategy was to transfer the burden of fighting the Mujahideen to the Afghan armed forces, with the aim of preparing them to operate without Soviet help. During this phase, the Soviet contingent was restricted to supporting the DRA forces by providing artillery, air support and technical assistance, though some large-scale operations were still carried out by Soviet troops.
Under Soviet guidance, the DRA armed forces were built up to an official strength of 302,000 in 1986. To minimize the risk of a coup d'état, they were divided into different branches, each modeled on its Soviet counterpart. The ministry of defence forces numbered 132,000, the ministry of interior 70,000 and the ministry of state security (KHAD) 80,000Soviet-Afgan - US backed Afgan - end results - Soviet collapse.
NATO versus Afgan - NATO pulled out
Difference - Democracy versus Dictatorship.
US has managed to get out of bad wars because the politicians listen to public or they get fired. Veitnam/Afgan/etc - Western Nations cut their losses when it became unjustifiably high.
Russia only listen to Putin Now. He can dig in for a long time - at great cost - already 100K russian soldiers deadLots of theories. Before I go further answer this question .
How did U.S. defeat Soviets in Afghanistan and they lost to Afghanistan in Afghanistan ?Wacha mambo ya World war 2 :)
USSR/Soviet were defeated by US in afgan using this same Ukranian model - marking the end of cold war.
US financed Muhajideen who gave Soviet/USSR hell for 10yrs - while their economy tanked.
Russia is fighting a lost battle - because Ukraine are fighting in their country.
Russia are not welcomed in Ukraine.
For Russia to win this war - they should have gone for quck SHOCK and AWE - take over KIEV - put Russian leaning president - then do fake referendum in Donbas/Luhasnk.
They failed.
What is happening here is very clear.
Western Alies are united. EU/US is like 50% of world economy.
Europe now are busy decoupling from Russia. It almost complete.
Once they are energy sufficient - next is to find India/China alternative oil and gas.
Then they squeeze Russia.
In meantime Ukrainian are doing great job because they are fighting at home.Russia defeated Hitler and his coalition of Axis even though it took five years . It will be replicated . Afghanistan were sanctioned to the core and NATO coalition had the most advanced weapons and equipments but still lost after 20 years of waging the war.
You seem not to understand what is happening when you think India and China will join ant Russia coalition actually the opposite is happening they have increased their trade with Russia . China is already in Cold war with Western countries being sanctioned left and right .
I think you dont understand that Russia has not even mobilized . Russia has a population of more than a hundred Million if they were to enter a patriotic war their full mobilization will be the current remaining Ukrainian population.
Pundit it took a month for you to get brainwashed by Western media now think of those who have been feeding of Western media since 1980s.
Soviet withdrew then collapse or Collapsing Soviet withdrew.When I say some people are brainwashed by Western media I mean . So for Pundit Soviet were defeated but U.S withdrew .
Soviet exit and change of Afghan leadership, 1985–1989
Foreign diplomatic efforts
As early as 1983, Pakistan's Foreign Ministry began working with the Soviet Union to provide them an exit from Afghanistan, initiatives led by Foreign Minister Yaqub Ali Khan and Khurshid Kasuri. Despite an active support for insurgent groups, Pakistanis remained sympathetic to the challenges faced by the Soviets in restoring the peace, eventually exploring the possibility of setting up an interim system of government under former monarch Zahir Shah, but this was not authorized by President Zia-ul-Haq due to his stance on the issue of the Durand line.:?247–248?[230] In 1984–85, Foreign Minister Yaqub Ali Khan paid state visits to China, Saudi Arabia, Soviet Union, France, United States and the United Kingdom in order to develop a framework. On 20 July 1987, the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the country was announced. The withdrawal of Soviet forces was planned out by Col. General Boris Gromov, who, at the time, was the commander of the 40th Army.[citation needed]
April 1985 – January 1987: Exit strategy
Awards ceremony for the 9th Company
Soviet soldier in Afghanistan, 1988
The first step of the Soviet Union's exit strategy was to transfer the burden of fighting the Mujahideen to the Afghan armed forces, with the aim of preparing them to operate without Soviet help. During this phase, the Soviet contingent was restricted to supporting the DRA forces by providing artillery, air support and technical assistance, though some large-scale operations were still carried out by Soviet troops.
Under Soviet guidance, the DRA armed forces were built up to an official strength of 302,000 in 1986. To minimize the risk of a coup d'état, they were divided into different branches, each modeled on its Soviet counterpart. The ministry of defence forces numbered 132,000, the ministry of interior 70,000 and the ministry of state security (KHAD) 80,000Soviet-Afgan - US backed Afgan - end results - Soviet collapse.
NATO versus Afgan - NATO pulled out
Difference - Democracy versus Dictatorship.
US has managed to get out of bad wars because the politicians listen to public or they get fired. Veitnam/Afgan/etc - Western Nations cut their losses when it became unjustifiably high.
Russia only listen to Putin Now. He can dig in for a long time - at great cost - already 100K russian soldiers deadLots of theories. Before I go further answer this question .
How did U.S. defeat Soviets in Afghanistan and they lost to Afghanistan in Afghanistan ?Wacha mambo ya World war 2 :)
USSR/Soviet were defeated by US in afgan using this same Ukranian model - marking the end of cold war.
US financed Muhajideen who gave Soviet/USSR hell for 10yrs - while their economy tanked.
Russia is fighting a lost battle - because Ukraine are fighting in their country.
Russia are not welcomed in Ukraine.
For Russia to win this war - they should have gone for quck SHOCK and AWE - take over KIEV - put Russian leaning president - then do fake referendum in Donbas/Luhasnk.
They failed.
What is happening here is very clear.
Western Alies are united. EU/US is like 50% of world economy.
Europe now are busy decoupling from Russia. It almost complete.
Once they are energy sufficient - next is to find India/China alternative oil and gas.
Then they squeeze Russia.
In meantime Ukrainian are doing great job because they are fighting at home.Russia defeated Hitler and his coalition of Axis even though it took five years . It will be replicated . Afghanistan were sanctioned to the core and NATO coalition had the most advanced weapons and equipments but still lost after 20 years of waging the war.
You seem not to understand what is happening when you think India and China will join ant Russia coalition actually the opposite is happening they have increased their trade with Russia . China is already in Cold war with Western countries being sanctioned left and right .
I think you dont understand that Russia has not even mobilized . Russia has a population of more than a hundred Million if they were to enter a patriotic war their full mobilization will be the current remaining Ukrainian population.
Pundit it took a month for you to get brainwashed by Western media now think of those who have been feeding of Western media since 1980s.
M1 Abrams doesn't want winter. pic.twitter.com/yxcJURfd34
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Collapse of Soviet squarely lays in the hand of Gorbachiev through his policies if Glasnost ,Perestroika and his not intervention foreign policy . Putin also made the mistakes by refusing to intervene in Ukraine in 2014 when the President of Ukraine Yankuvich had given him greenlight under international law to help quell rhe western sponsored revolution in Ukraine . He learnt from mistakes and intervened to save Asad in Syria and last year stopped the revolution in Kazakhstan. He currently is correcting his mistakes . Allowing Baltic countries to enter NATO was a mistake.
You seem not to understand what is happening only parroting What Western media is broadcasting daily .Soviet withdrew then collapse or Collapsing Soviet withdrew.When I say some people are brainwashed by Western media I mean . So for Pundit Soviet were defeated but U.S withdrew .
Soviet exit and change of Afghan leadership, 1985–1989
Foreign diplomatic efforts
As early as 1983, Pakistan's Foreign Ministry began working with the Soviet Union to provide them an exit from Afghanistan, initiatives led by Foreign Minister Yaqub Ali Khan and Khurshid Kasuri. Despite an active support for insurgent groups, Pakistanis remained sympathetic to the challenges faced by the Soviets in restoring the peace, eventually exploring the possibility of setting up an interim system of government under former monarch Zahir Shah, but this was not authorized by President Zia-ul-Haq due to his stance on the issue of the Durand line.:?247–248?[230] In 1984–85, Foreign Minister Yaqub Ali Khan paid state visits to China, Saudi Arabia, Soviet Union, France, United States and the United Kingdom in order to develop a framework. On 20 July 1987, the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the country was announced. The withdrawal of Soviet forces was planned out by Col. General Boris Gromov, who, at the time, was the commander of the 40th Army.[citation needed]
April 1985 – January 1987: Exit strategy
Awards ceremony for the 9th Company
Soviet soldier in Afghanistan, 1988
The first step of the Soviet Union's exit strategy was to transfer the burden of fighting the Mujahideen to the Afghan armed forces, with the aim of preparing them to operate without Soviet help. During this phase, the Soviet contingent was restricted to supporting the DRA forces by providing artillery, air support and technical assistance, though some large-scale operations were still carried out by Soviet troops.
Under Soviet guidance, the DRA armed forces were built up to an official strength of 302,000 in 1986. To minimize the risk of a coup d'état, they were divided into different branches, each modeled on its Soviet counterpart. The ministry of defence forces numbered 132,000, the ministry of interior 70,000 and the ministry of state security (KHAD) 80,000Soviet-Afgan - US backed Afgan - end results - Soviet collapse.
NATO versus Afgan - NATO pulled out
Difference - Democracy versus Dictatorship.
US has managed to get out of bad wars because the politicians listen to public or they get fired. Veitnam/Afgan/etc - Western Nations cut their losses when it became unjustifiably high.
Russia only listen to Putin Now. He can dig in for a long time - at great cost - already 100K russian soldiers deadLots of theories. Before I go further answer this question .
How did U.S. defeat Soviets in Afghanistan and they lost to Afghanistan in Afghanistan ?Wacha mambo ya World war 2 :)
USSR/Soviet were defeated by US in afgan using this same Ukranian model - marking the end of cold war.
US financed Muhajideen who gave Soviet/USSR hell for 10yrs - while their economy tanked.
Russia is fighting a lost battle - because Ukraine are fighting in their country.
Russia are not welcomed in Ukraine.
For Russia to win this war - they should have gone for quck SHOCK and AWE - take over KIEV - put Russian leaning president - then do fake referendum in Donbas/Luhasnk.
They failed.
What is happening here is very clear.
Western Alies are united. EU/US is like 50% of world economy.
Europe now are busy decoupling from Russia. It almost complete.
Once they are energy sufficient - next is to find India/China alternative oil and gas.
Then they squeeze Russia.
In meantime Ukrainian are doing great job because they are fighting at home.Russia defeated Hitler and his coalition of Axis even though it took five years . It will be replicated . Afghanistan were sanctioned to the core and NATO coalition had the most advanced weapons and equipments but still lost after 20 years of waging the war.
You seem not to understand what is happening when you think India and China will join ant Russia coalition actually the opposite is happening they have increased their trade with Russia . China is already in Cold war with Western countries being sanctioned left and right .
I think you dont understand that Russia has not even mobilized . Russia has a population of more than a hundred Million if they were to enter a patriotic war their full mobilization will be the current remaining Ukrainian population.
Pundit it took a month for you to get brainwashed by Western media now think of those who have been feeding of Western media since 1980s.