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Title: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 12, 2023, 08:09:46 PM
He figures out Ruto will take it for free https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2023-01-12-luo-leaders-in-rare-unity-ahead-of-rutos-two-day-tour/
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 12, 2023, 08:18:16 PM
This has been Raila all along , how you wish he teams up with Ruto and isolate    GEMA.
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 12, 2023, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Nowayhaha on January 12, 2023, 08:18:16 PM
This has been Raila all along , how you wish he teams up with Ruto and isolate    GEMA.
Raila is dynamic and always knows how to self preserve. I don't have any problem with GEMA...they are my relatives...my kids are half gema..I pity kalonzo and kamba elite..who have trusted a conman Raila for three election..raila will either run or back Ruto
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 12, 2023, 08:31:18 PM
Ruto biggest dilemma is how to deal with gema exclusivity.as regards Luhyas and Luos.GEMA want to own Ruto.Ruto want to own kenya
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 12, 2023, 08:42:07 PM

Not really GEMA are just watching. I think Ruto and even Sakaja if you look at their appointees have done a good job rewarding GEMA , thats why you saw U.D.A. Winning in GEMA by elections.
Now Gachagua you can see even majority of GEMA dont like his antics but he seems to have taken survival mode and he thinks coming out gun blazing will endear him to the electorate . I personally think Kenyans are just a minute away from boiling point if Economy joblessness is not addressed and the yesteryear tribal politics or mobilization wont work . It never worked with Uhuru and 2022 elections  .
Another thing coming out clear is Kalenjins are finding themselves where GEMA were after 2002 elections . Fear of each and everything one moment its Gachagua the next its GEMA . Also when they try to play politics they written off . So they just have to keep silent.
Na bado the referendumn will be a nightmare , that Gachagua you fear will become your hero . 

Quote from: RV Pundit on January 12, 2023, 08:31:18 PM
Ruto biggest dilemma is how to deal with gema exclusivity..
.as regards Luhyas and Luos.GEMA want to own Ruto.Ruto want to own kenya
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 13, 2023, 04:00:59 PM
No need for 2027 elections...we skip that one https://www.the-star.co.ke/in-pictures/2023-01-13-photos-karibu-dala-ruto-warmly-welcomed-in-homa-bay/
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 13, 2023, 04:01:51 PM
Raila would rather sell odm to Ruto than kalonzo https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2023-01-13-inside-raila-meeting-that-brokered-ceasefire-with-ruto/
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 13, 2023, 07:43:56 PM
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: KenyanPlato on January 13, 2023, 08:02:35 PM
The Jaramogi doctrine. once elections are over allow your supporters to go seek help and support from the government in power. Jaramogi in his book not yet uhuru said that it would be cruel to hold your base hostage for 5 years. Raila has done effectively.ruto like uhuru may end up spending his political capital in nyanza. In Central right now thurakus aka tugeges are very anxious about ruto and gachagua ..they won't promises to be kept and fulfilled

Western donors have also decided to by pass executive and pour their funding to nyanza using governors to implement projects

Nyanza new governors may deliver far much better. Nyongo has done a maverlous job in Kisumu County. Devolution is changing the game in a way we expected it to. Nyongo doesn't need ruto but ruto may need nyongo for relevance
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 13, 2023, 09:32:15 PM
Nyongo has cleaned kisumu city but outside the city I doubt.
Ruto intention is to fix kenya equally.
Some in GEMA may be disappointed initially but will understand that stable and happy nation is good for business.
Quote from: KenyanPlato on January 13, 2023, 08:02:35 PM
The Jaramogi doctrine. once elections are over allow your supporters to go seek help and support from the government in power. Jaramogi in his book not yet uhuru said that it would be cruel to hold your base hostage for 5 years. Raila has done effectively.ruto like uhuru may end up spending his political capital in nyanza. In Central right now thurakus aka tugeges are very anxious about ruto and gachagua ..they won't promises to be kept and fulfilled

Western donors have also decided to by pass executive and pour their funding to nyanza using governors to implement projects

Nyanza new governors may deliver far much better. Nyongo has done a maverlous job in Kisumu County. Devolution is changing the game in a way we expected it to. Nyongo doesn't need ruto but ruto may need nyongo for relevance
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: Fairandbalanced on January 14, 2023, 01:57:30 AM
I love that Ruto is completely demystifying the presidency. He looks to be enjoying himself, it makes me laugh when I see him cracking up with politicians on both isles. His heart seems to be in the right place but Kenya ni ngumu, I was in Kenya in November for a family emergency, my wife just got back, the poverty in that country is on another level. Kenyans have always dealt with poverty but what’s there now is on another level, the rains have failed in most places, dust everywhere, I wore a musk everywhere. It could be because of global warming and environmental destruction, it could be world wide inflation but Kenyans are suffering. I have to give him credit though, he doesn’t seem to be interested in tribal garbage, Kikuyus and kalenjins have to start getting used to not reaping all the benefits. The potential that exists in neglected places like coast, Nyanza, North eastern etc have to be completely exploited for Kenya to become a semblance of a middle class economy. This makes me smile ?s=46&t=WQbGCZB5q7DhY4zUrGD0XA some of his photos are unflattering, I always wondered why Ruto wore that Kanu hat all the time, now I know… ?s=46&t=WQbGCZB5q7DhY4zUrGD0XA
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 14, 2023, 05:25:24 AM
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Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 14, 2023, 12:43:43 PM
I saw Sudi now I see Oburu..golden handshake ishafanywa..Raila will get paid to retire ?t=sGZsQMMkGgkKWFDxIC-yuA&s=19
Title: Re: Raila lent luo to Ruto for free..
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 06:31:38 AM
The Raila capitulation nationally and self preservation regionally is complete. He is willing to negotiate than see Ruto sponsored rebels take out Odingas especially in South Nyanza.Ruto should continue to build his independent support in luo nyanza as well as welcome Raila overtures strictly privately. Refuse to be seen ever with Raila and risk inflaming mt kenya. Riggy G already has the memo...he stick to national agenda..wait out until 2028..or get crushed.Poor kaloi continues to miscalculate...Luos and Raila has nothing but spite for kalonzo and kambas.Kalonzo should fold up and join UDA.Then 2028  with Ruto not running...kalonzo  riggy, madvd,sakaja,nyoro,kimani, anyone can go for brutal succession war.Fighting Ruto now or in 2027 ni ufala...you can't beat him.2028 it will be open field like post moi 1998...if all of them join Kenya kwanza.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 01:50:34 PM
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Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 03:16:32 PM
Dr omollo the new Eng kibichu appointed as liason..Ruto deliberately appoint omollo in harambee house to take war on Odingas on their hallowed ground...Raila very smart..Ruto is twice smart.Ruto knows his only threat is Raila..and he will be on him like rice on white.Raila my advice ask the money and go home..Ruto is negotiating on his terms..take or leave
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 03:31:54 PM
Ruto doesn't really need baba,his position now is fixed on contrary baba needs Ruto,Ruto can ignore baba and nothing much will happen  knowing Ruto he wants a united nation.
Pundit stop hyping hubris, Rutos message to nyanza luo is simple join me or you perish,luos get message clear they know baba is done for and hence them surrendering this is a smart move from them.
Ruto doesn't really have any opposition to talk about interesting to see how these years will flow with baba out of the picture.
Greatest threat for Ruto of course would be GEMA but mlima is all quiet and contented.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 03:31:54 PM
Ruto doesn't really need baba,his position now is fixed on contrary baba needs Ruto,Ruto can ignore baba and nothing much will happen  knowing Ruto he wants a united nation.
Pundit stop hyping hubris, Rutos message to nyanza luo is simple join me or you perish,luos get message clear they know baba is done for and hence them surrendering this is a smart move from them.
Ruto doesn't really have any opposition to talk about interesting to see how these years will flow with baba out of the picture.
Greatest threat for Ruto of course would be GEMA but mlima is all quiet and contented.
Gema is a no longer a threat Ruto..Ruto has direct play..Raila and luos are his single biggest threat..its around luos that any opposition will collasce and gather momentum. RUTO WILL TREAT GEMA very nicely...that is conquered territory like kalenjin land..Ruto focus is to conquer luos and complete luhya projects. Kalenjin are 10 sub tribes in 10 counties yet Ruto has United them.Treat all people fairly. They will equally love you.Njuri Ruto will teach Gema how to love Luos.Unlike uhuru he won't set gema versus luos or kalenjin..however easy.We are all Kenyans.Ruto will not run ant luo gov.or anti anyone. There is enough to share...not enough for the greedy folks but enough for everyone. CdF and counties are good model..why should your happiness at expense of someone else.Kibaki in 2003 had a wonderful chance to unite Kenya..he became a nyeri and meru president..I felt betrayed and I quited.Biggest betrayal .I was not surprised that in 2007 despite 7 percent economic growth Kenyans were killing each other because of tribe..because of your surname..darkest moments..I saw it in 2003 when I quit my beloved DP.Ruto has yet another chance to unite Kenya by assuring everyone that cake will  be shared equally. I was disappointed by PS selection but so far it's been great. It insane that no Gusii is PS in Kenya gov...Ruto need to fix that asap.Its only mistake in his 100 days
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 03:55:33 PM
And kenyans are generally united outside politics...there are no deep differences. Its our politics that needs attention..so differences don't graduate to tribal enemity
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 04:17:38 PM
Apart from your long rumbling stories we agree on same things i.e

1)Ruto has no opposition
2)Ruto want to unite the country

Well he knows very well thats luos with their stubbornness could cause problems but not to the level you trying to hype,go slow,Luos know they have nothing thats why they have easily capitulated. Honestly there is nothing more to talk about for the first time Luos will embrace peace and stop their opposition madness.
Your obsession with mogusii proves my point that you half kisii kalenjin,Pundit I have on point intel, as a Kispisgis you can't be pure
My friend a Keiyo told me they look down on kipisigis coz of this
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 04:23:18 PM
Njuri, Ruto is full bloodied gusii but seriously kuria..I am of maasai ancestry.We keep our history. In kipisigis I am not aware of luo ancestry as we generally didn't intermarry or take hostage luo kids..because circumcision for us biggest deal.We are neither luos friends or enemies...we generally see luos as kids or children...harmless things.Luos generally knows if we descend on them we will finish them..that is they fear mzito Ruto.They know we are killers.Maasai are our brothers..we think maasai are as brave as we are..as honourable as we are...maasai kids were prized and sold..if not ransom.That is how  we became kipsigis.Gusii like luhyas and many bantus accepted circumcision...and were able to engage,trade and etc.Otherwise we considered a man or woman uncut too bd unclean..too unclean to be touched.That is how Ruto a kuria became a kipisigis 200yrs ago then nandi
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 04:36:24 PM
200 years ago everyone was related, I myself if trace my ancestry mothers side I would say am Amhara circa 1840s.the point is now we living,Pure kalenjins are Nandi and Keiyo.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 04:36:24 PM
200 years ago everyone was related, I myself if trace my ancestry mothers side I would say am Amhara circa 1840s.the point is now we living,Pure kalenjins are Nandi and Keiyo.

kipsigis and nandi are same people..who separated in 19th century. Keiyos are faaar...except lower keiyo and lower tugen..around timboroa...nandi,kipsigis,lower  keiyo and lembus live together. LET NO ONE CHEAT YOU..KIPISIGIS N NANDI ARE ONE SUBTRIBE..never fought never will..you could cross to each side.live.Nandi n kipsigis had I think two words differences..its like 99.999 percent..clans similar..nandi and kipsigis were only separated by British..in 1900 in fear of combined assault. BTW NANDI AND KEIYO WERE seperated by MAASA OF UASIN GISHU..they only met recently...nandi can steal cattle from keiyo..never from kipsigis..neither would kipsigis..infact joint raids were done
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 04:50:12 PM
Pundit Thanks for accepting you're a Mogusii.
Now next question why are there many bizarre and utterly graphic evil stuff happening in Kisii,??
It appears as Kenyans are saying its the "devils headquarters" why the barbaric acts??
Everyday Kisii in the news for all bad no good.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 04:50:12 PM
Pundit Thanks for accepting you're a Mogusii.
Now next question why are there many bizarre and utterly graphic evil stuff happening in Kisii,??
It appears as Kenyans are saying its the "devils headquarters" why the barbaric acts??
Everyday Kisii in the news for all bad no good.
Ruto n Rvhh are proud of their gusii ancestry..they still carry gusii names...if I was gusii I would be proud. Gusii now is like vihiga and kiambu...land pressure..Rwanda...type of chaos
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 04:57:44 PM
Ruto family name in kericho is kuria or gusii...ask around..rvhh can tell you their family history from Tanzania as datoogas..then kurias then kericho then nandi then tranzoia then uasin gishu.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 04:59:13 PM
Chibweri is either kuria or gusii https://www.kerichonews.co.ke/2022/08/17/inside-look-into-dp-ruto-family-roots-from-kiptere-kericho-county/
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:03:59 PM
Read rvhh response..Ruto clan is spread over nyamira and gusii ..good thing nilotes keep their roots like somalis https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=12159.0
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:11:59 PM
Because of strong north Africa tradition of keeping family history only two clans in kipisigis traces their ancestry to Sudan or whatever was burgei dry land.kipsamaek who totem is lion and Barassiek whose totem is the sun.They only two original clans and carry traditional activities. The first clan were surveyors of new land while the sun clan intercedes to sun god..in prayers.They are only one to trace their ancestry to Sudan.Luos and Somalis also keep pretty impressive history of their families
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 04:50:12 PM
Pundit Thanks for accepting you're a Mogusii.
Now next question why are there many bizarre and utterly graphic evil stuff happening in Kisii,??
It appears as Kenyans are saying its the "devils headquarters" why the barbaric acts??
Everyday Kisii in the news for all bad no good.
Ruto n Rvhh are proud of their gusii ancestry..they still carry gusii names...if I was gusii I would be proud. Gusii now is like vihiga and kiambu...land pressure..Rwanda...type of chaos
Interesting if Ruto knows his kisii roots why then not give them a position in government, isn't this contradictory??? Your story doesn't add up?
For example it was claimed Kibaki had Meru ancestry thats why he made Merus numero uno in government,Kikuyus were Meru spanner boys during Kibakis reign even though from my own investigation Kibaki was pure Kikuyu he just dearly loved Merus just like Mzito Ruto loves Merus.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:27:18 PM
What made you think kibaki was meru..I know some Embu like my inlaws who were kikuyus.Their great grandparents from Nyeri.I dont see how merus and kikuyus are related in 100yrs..they are likely 150km apart.Embu and kikuyu are almost nandi and kipsigis..intermixed.Generally appointment of muthaura as head of gov tilted the balance.kibaki also knew its meru and embu who supported in DP days..I mean imentis.I was founder DP member myself if you can call that. Ruto is under immense pressure and the inner circle can create a mess.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:27:18 PM
What made you think kibaki was meru..I know some Embu like my inlaws who were kikuyus.Their great grandparents from Nyeri.I dont see how merus and kikuyus are related in 100yrs..they are likely 150km apart.Generally appointment of muthaura as head of gov tilled balanced.kibaki also knew its meru and embu who supported in DP days..I mean imentis.I was founder DP member myself if you can call thst. Ruto is under immense pressure and the inner circle can create a mess.

Not Me Kikuyus like Noway were at forefront of this propaganda,

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/amp/national/article/2001444224/why-mwai-kibaki-appointed-top-leaders-from-meru

Read my statement clearly I said my investigation was that Kibaki was pure Kikuyu.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:27:18 PM
What made you think kibaki was meru..I know some Embu like my inlaws who were kikuyus.Their great grandparents from Nyeri.I dont see how merus and kikuyus are related in 100yrs..they are likely 150km apart.Generally appointment of muthaura as head of gov tilled balanced.kibaki also knew its meru and embu who supported in DP days..I mean imentis.I was founder DP member myself if you can call thst. Ruto is under immense pressure and the inner circle can create a mess.

Not Me Kikuyus like Noway were at forefront of this propaganda,
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/amp/national/article/2001444224/why-mwai-kibaki-appointed-top-leaders-from-meru

Read my statement clearly I said my investigation was that Kibaki was pure Kikuyu.
Nothing kinship. Muthaura, kiraitu and Ringera took advantage..kibaki remember was othaya local guy...he had  problems making friends..I know kibaki deeply than you because I started supporting him in 1992.Muthaura was moi guy whom they tapped for continuity and he was instrumental in placing merus on gov.
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
Kibaki from history could be maasai ..not meru
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
Kibaki from history could be maasai ..not meru
:D :D :D :D Nimekupiga 10-0 this is very unnerving on you.
Merus and Kikuyu coalesce at Laikipia specifically Nanyuki environs,there really is no that 150km you talking about, :D
You really a funny guy
Title: Re: Raila rent luo to Ruto for free..want purchase negotiation
Post by: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on January 15, 2023, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on January 15, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
Kibaki from history could be maasai ..not meru
:D :D :D :D Nimekupiga 10-0 this is very unnerving on you.
Merus and Kikuyu coalesce at Laikipia specifically Nanyuki environs,there really is no that 150km you talking about, :D
You really a funny guy
which year..Nanyuki now or in 1920s...maasai lived in those areas until British. Most nyeri folks have maasai blood from when Nanyuki and  mt kenya had maasai until 18850.kiambu and nyeri has lots of maasai admixtures..only muranga are pure breed kikuyus.Tiganias are maasais..so are igembes maybe