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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: audacityofhope on December 14, 2022, 09:14:03 PM

Title: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: audacityofhope on December 14, 2022, 09:14:03 PM
I wish he could appreciate that the "Inua Jamii" recipients are agemates of his parents. 10 years will pass and Kenyans will love Uhuru more than luto.
Even a developed country like Americans has SSN administration to ensure needy citizens are eligible to govt assistance. Story yake ni hustler hustler pekee. Eish! He must also take care of the vulnerable meaning our elderly.
Title: Re: What has luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: Georgesoros on December 14, 2022, 09:16:47 PM
How are they supposed to survive.??
Parliament is the one to approve funds not Ruto.
Title: Re: What has luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: audacityofhope on December 14, 2022, 09:33:11 PM
How are they supposed to survive.??
Parliament is the one to approve funds not Ruto
Has Ruto (never mind he is the Executive) not written a memo to parliament asking lawmakers to establish the office of the leader of the opposition?
So in your opinion ALL nominated CSes and PSes were approved by the benevolence of parliament. Ruto had no input whatsoever even as 3/4 have dodgy pasts.
And why is the creation up of the office of the first daughter a higher priority than paying out this already established fund?
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: Georgesoros on December 15, 2022, 12:32:27 AM
How are they supposed to survive.??
Parliament is the one to approve funds not Ruto
Has Ruto (never mind he is the Executive) not written a memo to parliament asking lawmakers to establish the office of the leader of the opposition?
So in your opinion ALL nominated CSes and PSes were approved by the benevolence of parliament. Ruto had no input whatsoever even as 3/4 have dodgy pasts.
And why is the creation up of the office of the first daughter a higher priority than paying out this already established fund?

Elderly need money that should be highest priority, especially given that there is drought. Question is is it automatic or admn has to request it in a budget???
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 15, 2022, 12:50:40 AM
Six months ilifika lini?

The money has probably been wired to drought.

Uhuru gov hid the drought menace and it has taken Ruto leadership to deal with it head on.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: audacityofhope on December 15, 2022, 07:45:56 AM
Six months ilifika lini?

The money has probably been wired to drought.

Uhuru gov hid the drought menace and it has taken Ruto leadership to deal with it head on.
Uhuru govt was paying 2K per month which was disbursed quarterly. So it was last paid in June. We are now in December. There is a missed September disbursement. I expect that question to come from the likes of @Noway. How are you in IT if mathematics is not your strong point? :-\
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: audacityofhope on December 15, 2022, 10:36:00 PM
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Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: Georgesoros on December 15, 2022, 11:10:31 PM
To an elderly person this is a lifeline. Needs to be paid immediately. It should be the law, like paying wworkers
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2022, 12:05:30 AM
Gov promised to cut 3B dollars - 300B kshs - to save the broke economy.
Gov has budgetted to borrow 3 billion externally but the global economy just wont allow
I dont think they will cut social spending.

So lets wait for more information.

Maybe gov just has a cash crunch.

We need to see the supplementary budget.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: Githunguri on December 16, 2022, 10:02:08 AM
The problem with Ruto is pride and doesn't understand basics.The world has moved from pure capitalism to social capitalism.If you go to USA you food stamps and housing for the poor in other countries you have cheap housing for the poor.Food and health are basics which are the true foundation of a proper working democracy.GOK should release this money to these poor old people for their survival.

A social democracy-A representative government which has the the plight of social services for the poor food clothing shelter and health.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: gout on December 16, 2022, 10:21:31 AM
Hasla is underestimating the economic shiet we are in. He ought to have tripled budget of Asset Recovery now that High Court is getting well staffed. Go after the billion dollars Ahmednassir keeps talking about and plug some of these holes. He can easily get the 300 billions.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: Kadudu on December 16, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
You are asking him to go after himself and his buddies?

Hasla is underestimating the economic shiet we are in. He ought to have tripled budget of Asset Recovery now that High Court is getting well staffed. Go after the billion dollars Ahmednassir keeps talking about and plug some of these holes. He can easily get the 300 billions.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
Unothordox way to raise money. The money likely to be tied in court cases. There is no option except cut budget.
Hasla is underestimating the economic shiet we are in. He ought to have tripled budget of Asset Recovery now that High Court is getting well staffed. Go after the billion dollars Ahmednassir keeps talking about and plug some of these holes. He can easily get the 300 billions.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2022, 11:00:47 AM
Ruto has best economic advisors; save it;
I dont think Ruto will cut social investment;
But if gov has no cash now - it has to wait.

Ufool bankrupted kenya and Ruto is trying to fix it.

The problem with Ruto is pride and doesn't understand basics.The world has moved from pure capitalism to social capitalism.If you go to USA you food stamps and housing for the poor in other countries you have cheap housing for the poor.Food and health are basics which are the true foundation of a proper working democracy.GOK should release this money to these poor old people for their survival.

A social democracy-A representative government which has the the plight of social services for the poor food clothing shelter and health.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: gout on December 16, 2022, 11:08:09 AM
Hasla and co was shaken and audited left right upside down for four years. Hands cut off the cookie jar.

You are asking him to go after himself and his buddies?

Hasla is underestimating the economic shiet we are in. He ought to have tripled budget of Asset Recovery now that High Court is getting well staffed. Go after the billion dollars Ahmednassir keeps talking about and plug some of these holes. He can easily get the 300 billions.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2022, 11:09:45 AM
Kadudu doesnt get that part;
If Ruto was even half involved in anything; they went for it;
They audited Ruto and friends left right and center;
Dug graves; looked for any skeletons; that was ufool last five years
Hasla and co was shaken and audited left right upside down for four years. Hands cut off the cookie jar.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: gout on December 16, 2022, 11:10:46 AM
Ndii has indicated as much as we are wearing the pressing IMF strait jacket, we have no option to go unorthodox such as Hasora Fund.
Unothordox way to raise money. The money likely to be tied in court cases. There is no option except cut budget.
Hasla is underestimating the economic shiet we are in. He ought to have tripled budget of Asset Recovery now that High Court is getting well staffed. Go after the billion dollars Ahmednassir keeps talking about and plug some of these holes. He can easily get the 300 billions.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2022, 11:13:39 AM
Yes, the risk of IMF strangulation is very real; and I agree ; gov has to be imaginative; but we dont end up with goldenburg; which sounded like unorthodoxy way to raise forex by stealing congo gold; only to end up realizing; Patni and Kanyottu were stealing kenya remaining forex.

The problem with seizures most of the money is held up in assets - not liquid.

I know Nigeria gov do make lot of money from such annual - but it mostly following the money abroad - if we can go for money hidden in pandora boxes - there is hope. Those in kenya are held up in apartments, land and such.

Ndii has indicated as much as we are wearing the pressing IMF strait jacket, we have no option to go unorthodox such as Hasora Fund.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: Kadudu on December 16, 2022, 12:34:24 PM
In the past you have admitted Ruto is corrupt to the core.
No need to dwell on that issue as all even the blind can see the obvious.

Uhuru could not go after Ruto on corruption since he was more corrupt than Ruto. The likes of David Murathe were broke before 2013 and today are multi billionaires. How do you expect such thieves to chase other thieves without exposing themselves?

Corruption today in Kenya is not a crime unless you are caught. Ask David Ndii.

Kadudu doesnt get that part;
If Ruto was even half involved in anything; they went for it;
They audited Ruto and friends left right and center;
Dug graves; looked for any skeletons; that was ufool last five years
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2022, 12:38:53 PM
Whatever you think- Ruto is criminally immune from any prosecution - so let focus elsewhere - Gachagua downwards.
Democracy is like volleyball or cricket.
This is time for Ruto to serve the ball.
Azimio are going to receive - and they will have to account for last 5yrs excesses.
Then Azimio has to try to win points - by nailing Ruto allies who engage in fresh scandal
As sure as day and night - I am sure there is serious deals cooking now.

In short stop whining, stop being cynical, accept the gains and losses, however marginal, and move on.
In the past you have admitted Ruto is corrupt to the core.
No need to dwell on that issue as all even the blind can see the obvious.

Uhuru could not go after Ruto on corruption since he was more corrupt than Ruto. The likes of David Murathe were broke before 2013 and today are multi billionaires. How do you expect such thieves to chase other thieves without exposing themselves?

Corruption today in Kenya is not a crime unless you are caught. Ask David Ndii.

Kadudu doesnt get that part;
If Ruto was even half involved in anything; they went for it;
They audited Ruto and friends left right and center;
Dug graves; looked for any skeletons; that was ufool last five years
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: KenyanPlato on December 16, 2022, 01:37:55 PM
why should the elderly get money? why didn't they save or have kids to take care of them. we have really loaded taxpayed with a lot of responsibilities.
Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2022, 02:38:14 PM
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Title: Re: What does luto have against elderly? He has not paid "Inua jamii" 6 months now!
Post by: audacityofhope on December 16, 2022, 02:50:19 PM
why should the elderly get money? why didn't they save or have kids to take care of them. we have really loaded taxpayed with a lot of responsibilities.
Unbelievable that some ignoramus who thinks he will never grow old can make such a post! You want to tell us you never heard of social security in America and similar programs in other developed Nations of the world???? Government 101?
A cardinal role of government other law order & security & provide public services, is to ensure social welfare of its citizens. No where in History has govt existed as a business or to make profits unless Nabii wants to be the first.
All peoples throughout all of human history have faced the uncertainties brought on by unemployment, illness, disability, death and old age. In the realm of economics, these inevitable facets of life are said to be threats to one's economic security. Social welfare, as conceived by President Roosevelt, was meant to address the permanent problem of economic security for the elderly.