?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Hello @NPSOfficial_KE can you end these incidences? @DCI_Kenya pic.twitter.com/YKxAuusZYe
— Robert ALAI, HSC (@RobertAlai) November 8, 2022
Ruto has made this country usafe. Which cop will want to be charged with extra judicial killings for doing his/her job. We are on our own and God for us all.
targeting the SSU in such a public and humiliating way was such an ill-thought idea. It has really undermined police authority; nobody wants to face a magistrate. They are better off taking their salaries and going home to their families bila stress ya IPOA and others
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, there seems to be an escalating security situation in this city. Two of my colleagues have tonight at 7:30 witnessed a violent robbery on that stretch between Railways and Huduma Centre on Haile Selassie Avenue. I'm hearing of more hotspots across Nairobi - KCA on Thika Road</p>— Wordslinger {Kas Ka Gan} (@Wordslinger__) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>So, there seems to be an escalating security situation in this city. Two of my colleagues have tonight at 7:30 witnessed a violent robbery on that stretch between Railways and Huduma Centre on Haile Selassie Avenue. I'm hearing of more hotspots across Nairobi - KCA on Thika Road
— Writer | Climber | Mother of Dragons | Kas Ka Gan (@Wordslinger__) November 8, 2022
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Mbaya sana. It's like the entire city is in shambles. Even that Strathmore stretch, I understand students are being mugged at knife point.
— Writer | Climber | Mother of Dragons | Kas Ka Gan (@Wordslinger__) November 8, 2022
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.
I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya
Yes true - people need to go back to the villages - and farm their food - until inflation is dealt with - and I think many did during covid. Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.
The system sounds like it's overwhelmed. Too much poverty, too much crime. They can't arrest anyone and probably don't have the resources to send them to trial, jail, etc (jails are probably full)
Nothing like being overwhelmed. Police is most opaque institution and one of the greatest if nor the greatest threat to our society.
Most thugs are released because the victims fear lodging complainants as police will work with thugs to extort, terrorise and at worst eliminate you. A phone is snatched, few even dare report unless you lose ID thus need for abstract to replace the SIM card.
Ensure every OB is in the system, and everybody (DPP, magistrates, and even the public) should be able to log in to the OB system just like we access NTSA records, court records, school portals.
Koome is talking of recording police taking bribes and name tags nonsense.
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.
The system sounds like it's overwhelmed. Too much poverty, too much crime. They can't arrest anyone and probably don't have the resources to send them to trial, jail, etc (jails are probably full)
Yes true - people need to go back to the villages - and farm their food - until inflation is dealt with - and I think many did during covid. Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya
Yes true - people need to go back to the villages - and farm their food - until inflation is dealt with - and I think many did during covid. Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?the villages are crowded. every kiambu village has a group of people that live in government provided plots. these people survive on casual worm. with the drought this casual work has dried up and in towns near these villages the economic activities have slowed down. the thieves are usually brought in by village thugs from outside. the thugs in the village spy for them. then there are those thugs that are bold enough to steal in the same village they live in. Ejk is a deterrent not a solution. after my dad's cousin who headed dcio in nairobi rounded up and eliminated the gang leaders crime in my village died and is only now reappearingI think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya
the villages are crowded. every kiambu village has a group of people that live in government provided plots. these people survive on casual worm. with the drought this casual work has dried up and in towns near these villages the economic activities have slowed down. the thieves are usually brought in by village thugs from outside. the thugs in the village spy for them. then there are those thugs that are bold enough to steal in the same village they live in. Ejk is a deterrent not a solution. after my dad's cousin who headed dcio in nairobi rounded up and eliminated the gang leaders crime in my village died and is only now reappearing
the trick he used was to put so much pressure on cops that they had to go hard on the criminals. my neighbor who was the gang leader ended up dying after being detained in a cell that had tb prisoners with drug resistant tb. I think he had aids too so tb just finished him off. after a year they dumped him at his home and he died a few months later
before that tigoni and limuru residents had flushed all the thugs in that area and even demolished a slum huko. 3 guys from my village were killed in that tigoni operation. two were twin brothers their bodies were dumped in a thicket by their gang and dogs ate their bodies. their uncle who was a dub chief is the one that realized that dogs were feeding on something in the thicket and after investigating he saw it was two human bodies that turned out to be his nephews. his brother was gunned in kimende and cops demanded the family pay before they could release the bodd. the sub chief dad refused to have his son body to be claimed and so he was buried in a mass grace by the county
ejk must be part of the tool. our justice system doesn't have the resources to deal with all these thugs
Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?
QuoteNow why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?
I heard omkiyah omtata saying the soil in most places has been depleted due to the over use of chemical fertilizers from china. He said when he was a child and would dig, worms would always come out of the soil and that was an indication that the soil was fertile nowadays you dig and they are no worms. He actually suggested soil experts need to hired all over rural kenya and provide solutions on what can be done to revive the soil.
EJK has to be returned. somali's were the biggest opponents of ejk because i honestly believe they have an islamic agenda for the country. they want mosques to keep preaching that wahabi islam undeterred because they are fundamentalist muslims (all somali's are - their religion comes first before anything else) ruto needs to be careful with them.
the police just don't have the resources to deal with the skyrocketing crime right now. they should have left ejk until they were able to fix the economy.
There is no excuse for EJK. This thing came with Mungiki and Michuki. Moi era security was top notch. Moi took security seriously. Ruto need to make CID what it use to be - the best - and NIS the best in their trade.
EJK is lazy policing.
Gov needs to have open and honest talk with judiciary regarding bail for certain offences. Terror suspect should not be bailed out.
How many innocent people get killed by EJK?
And this somali fear is irrational. Somalis know many of their youths have been killed without due process.QuoteNow why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?
I heard omkiyah omtata saying the soil in most places has been depleted due to the over use of chemical fertilizers from china. He said when he was a child and would dig, worms would always come out of the soil and that was an indication that the soil was fertile nowadays you dig and they are no worms. He actually suggested soil experts need to hired all over rural kenya and provide solutions on what can be done to revive the soil.
EJK has to be returned. somali's were the biggest opponents of ejk because i honestly believe they have an islamic agenda for the country. they want mosques to keep preaching that wahabi islam undeterred because they are fundamentalist muslims (all somali's are - their religion comes first before anything else) ruto needs to be careful with them.
the police just don't have the resources to deal with the skyrocketing crime right now. they should have left ejk until they were able to fix the economy.
for now it has to be total war on these criminals until they fear the security personnel. just kill them and let it be known they have been killed so that it acts as a deterrent
That is really grim.kikuyus have a clan loyalty that is very deep. in my village two clans dominate. these clans have married into other small clans. so the village is big heap of inbred. they protect each other. if your buy land among these clans they terrorize you hoping you will be intimidated to leave. this blood loyalty makes it hard for outsiders like my parents to get enough social capital to be protected from thugs from these dominant families/clans.. there is a code of Silence close to the one you see in Black American ghettos. to break this you got use violence to put criminals on notice that you are willing to shed their blood and end their life. in my area only when the crime is so out of control do people now allow mob justice. when stocko genius brother was terrorizing my village. stocko step mum spent all her money each year she got tea bonus to bail him out or pay cops to get him released. it took stocko's..step mom death for the justice system to work when he couldn't raise bail money and ability to bribe cops. anyway oce the cops lined up these thugs they were about 15 of them in kinale forest and tortured them for days. they got all the confessions they needed. after months of my parents going to court the cops one day told them that they shouldn't report again they will fix the problem as they didn't have time to waste with the courts. that was the last robbery that my parents ever encountered. violence and extra judicial means is the short term solution. right now all the local security guys in my area are locals but they are busy collecting bribes instead of working. devolving police work may work but it needs a lot of ability of police leadership to manage their cops on the ground
Yeah sounds like a different peri-urban experience - that Kiambu is dealing with it - in the middle of urbanizing.
For me the solution has to start with putting Kiambu village people in the charge of their village security.
Your DCI in Nairobi is most useful in Kiambu - not Nairobi.
Kiambu villages know the thugs and likely to be thugs - they even know those with thieving genes :)
And if police/chiefs/ass chiefs are locals - they can weed out thugs easily.
But now my cousin has been in Tigoni police station - all he does is collect bribe.
My uncle was dcio in Kiambu - everytime we met he was with some land brokers.
For him being in kiambu was just lucrative business to make money - from land brokers - homicide was not a priority.
Heck in fact he once told me some thugs come and bribe cid before they commit crimes.
There are brokers who connect the foreign police with local thugs.
The police dont care - they are in a station for few months - they get transferred.
All they care about is making money.
The solution is to have Kiambu villagers - be policed by fellow Kiambu villagers.
I doubt somoene who'd take bribes to have their nephews killed.
If need be the local police - would easily get village vigilantes to deal with slums.
In my place - I have had a relative family - forced to sell land and move when their kids were found stealing.
The villages can even ex-communicate thugs or flatten slums.
EJK will never solve anything...as new thugs are born.
What will solve crimes is entire community combating crime with help of uncompromising police and community trusting the police - zero tolerance to thugs.
But now our broken police work with thugs or at best dont care - or ejk those that stop paying or overdo their stealing. It cannot work.the villages are crowded. every kiambu village has a group of people that live in government provided plots. these people survive on casual worm. with the drought this casual work has dried up and in towns near these villages the economic activities have slowed down. the thieves are usually brought in by village thugs from outside. the thugs in the village spy for them. then there are those thugs that are bold enough to steal in the same village they live in. Ejk is a deterrent not a solution. after my dad's cousin who headed dcio in nairobi rounded up and eliminated the gang leaders crime in my village died and is only now reappearing
the trick he used was to put so much pressure on cops that they had to go hard on the criminals. my neighbor who was the gang leader ended up dying after being detained in a cell that had tb prisoners with drug resistant tb. I think he had aids too so tb just finished him off. after a year they dumped him at his home and he died a few months later
before that tigoni and limuru residents had flushed all the thugs in that area and even demolished a slum huko. 3 guys from my village were killed in that tigoni operation. two were twin brothers their bodies were dumped in a thicket by their gang and dogs ate their bodies. their uncle who was a dub chief is the one that realized that dogs were feeding on something in the thicket and after investigating he saw it was two human bodies that turned out to be his nephews. his brother was gunned in kimende and cops demanded the family pay before they could release the bodd. the sub chief dad refused to have his son body to be claimed and so he was buried in a mass grace by the county
ejk must be part of the tool. our justice system doesn't have the resources to deal with all these thugs
kikuyus have a clan loyalty that is very deep. in my village two clans dominate. these clans have married into other small clans. so the village is big heap of inbred. they protect each other. if your buy land among these clans they terrorize you hoping you will be intimidated to leave. this blood loyalty makes it hard for outsiders like my parents to get enough social capital to be protected from thugs from these dominant families/clans.. there is a code of Silence close to the one you see in Black American ghettos. to break this you got use violence to put criminals on notice that you are willing to shed their blood and end their life. in my area only when the crime is so out of control do people now allow mob justice. when stocko genius brother was terrorizing my village. stocko step mum spent all her money each year she got tea bonus to bail him out or pay cops to get him released. it took stocko's..step mom death for the justice system to work when he couldn't raise bail money and ability to bribe cops. anyway oce the cops lined up these thugs they were about 15 of them in kinale forest and tortured them for days. they got all the confessions they needed. after months of my parents going to court the cops one day told them that they shouldn't report again they will fix the problem as they didn't have time to waste with the courts. that was the last robbery that my parents ever encountered. violence and extra judicial means is the short term solution. right now all the local security guys in my area are locals but they are busy collecting bribes instead of working. devolving police work may work but it needs a lot of ability of police leadership to manage their cops on the ground
Wewe pundit stop dreaming about judicial reforms. Listen to this show. All the callers are asking that EJK be brought back or asking people to just use mob justice. Choma watu. It's africa. courts won't work.
Who took over from Matiangi??
Wewe pundit stop dreaming about judicial reforms. Listen to this show. All the callers are asking that EJK be brought back or asking people to just use mob justice. Choma watu. It's africa. courts won't work.
CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG
— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022
Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht
— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022
The police beats all over kanairo are very reassuring. Listening government officials will get things done instead of relying on distorted feedback loops warped in bullshiet bureaucratic language. This is key essence of hasora revolution.CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG
— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht
— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022
The police beats all over kanairo are very reassuring. Listening government officials will get things done instead of relying on distorted feedback loops warped in bullshiet bureaucratic language. This is key essence of hasora revolution.CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG
— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht
— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022
it is just ridiculous that kindiki let these thugs takeover for 60 days. it is too late for many who are nursing wounds or have lost loved ones. these army patrols used to happen in nairobi during moi time. in 1994 at the height of insecurity and refugees invasion they put these guys in cbd but they ended up taking in bribes and scaring away customers out of cbd. we used to dodge them as they would just harass people while hoping to catch you without ID. I didn't have an ID so I stayed out of cbd till the mushako was over. Somalis walikipata. meanwhile criminals from DrC were openly dealing on latema road under the watch of police. Anyway at least ruto has now embraced ejk. that all the police needed. to be assured they won't end up locked up.
The police beats all over kanairo are very reassuring. Listening government officials will get things done instead of relying on distorted feedback loops warped in bullshiet bureaucratic language. This is key essence of hasora revolution.CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG
— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht
— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022
it is just ridiculous that kindiki let these thugs takeover for 60 days. it is too late for many who are nursing wounds or have lost loved ones. these army patrols used to happen in nairobi during moi time. in 1994 at the height of insecurity and refugees invasion they put these guys in cbd but they ended up taking in bribes and scaring away customers out of cbd. we used to dodge them as they would just harass people while hoping to catch you without ID. I didn't have an ID so I stayed out of cbd till the mushako was over. Somalis walikipata. meanwhile criminals from DrC were openly dealing on latema road under the watch of police. Anyway at least ruto has now embraced ejk. that all the police needed. to be assured they won't end up locked up.
It was pure sabotage.my bro who works in CBD told me the rhino squad that has been at CBD was on go slow because the gusii head of it was unhappy and now he was moved.Ruto has to be aware that his biggest threat will come from Azimio sympathizers in gov who will be keen to make his gov fail.He needs to fire them
There is need for a serious purge. This bigger man bullshiet is very costly to hasoras and the nation.
Else what is the use of power??