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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: audacityofhope on November 01, 2022, 07:41:23 PM
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The art of propaganda. Dont complicate it. Nobody will understand the complex issues here. Keep it simple. All the people will remember is you hate Mitumba. That in a country that loves Mitumba. People will not vote for such.
Kenyans even if they can afford new clothes - still love Mitumba - for some Mitumba are pretty high class clothing.
I personally buy Mitumba leather shoes...for 5-6K you can get really good quality leather shoes. If you go to Bata - you'll end up with crap that cannot stand the test of time.
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I think he clarified but he should be careful....he will need to stop talking too much and focus on working.
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I think he clarified but he should be careful....he will need to stop talking too much and focus on working.
Azimio also clarified but at the time you said "Nobody will understand the complex issues therein". So somehow now 3 months later it is no longer "complex" and can be understood? Wueh! :D
The art of propaganda. Dont complicate it. Nobody will understand the complex issues here. Keep it simple. All the people will remember is you hate Mitumba. That in a country that loves Mitumba. People will not vote for such.... bla bla
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You're the most obtuse person in this forum.
Always asking stupid questions.
Governing and campaigning are two different things.
Azimio also clarified but at the time you said "Nobody will understand the complex issues therein". So somehow now 3 months later it is no longer "complex" and can be understood? Wueh! :D
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Facts are facts.
1 + 1 is always 2. It does not change with the seasons. It is not 2 in the campaign season and ceases to be so, becoming 3 in the governing season. The English have a specific word for your types - Conmen.
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Kenya is just not competitive in the sweat shop garment industry due to high cost constrains. If it were, Agoa would be fully utilized. Mitumba of everything from clothes, vehicles , computers etc are just indicators of a low income economy.
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But why? What if we can use Lamu idle port; build SEZ there; invite all those companies; and make Lamu free port; throw in solar power; and we have so many idle jobless people. Allow the companies there duty free everything - tax free holidays - free land. Then provide security of course from crazy Somalis.
Athi river failed because it's just too interior. I see lots of SEZ EPZ in Kilifi-Mombasa highway.
Lamu is ideal. Port is already built. We just need to build huge SEZ.
Even China wasnt competitive when it started - but they started from Shenzen. Lamu for me represent a chance to build dream manufacturing destination. Next we go for Dongo Kundu.
These export led manufacturing must be created in coastal counties - few meters from the ports - they need to be able to ship in raw materials - add value - ship out - like a cruise ship - and leave us with employment benefits
Kenya is just not competitive in the sweat shop garment industry due to high cost constrains. If it were, Agoa would be fully utilized. Mitumba of everything from clothes, vehicles , computers etc are just indicators of a low income economy.
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But why? What if we can use Lamu idle port; build SEZ there; invite all those companies; and make Lamu free port; throw in solar power; and we have so many idle jobless people. Allow the companies there duty free everything - tax free holidays - free land. Then provide security of course from crazy Somalis.
Athi river failed because it's just too interior. I see lots of SEZ EPZ in Kilifi-Mombasa highway.
Lamu is ideal. Port is already built. We just need to build huge SEZ.
Even China wasnt competitive when it started - but they started from Shenzen. Lamu for me represent a chance to build dream manufacturing destination. Next we go for Dongo Kundu.
These export led manufacturing must be created in coastal counties - few meters from the ports - they need to be able to ship in raw materials - add value - ship out - like a cruise ship - and leave us with employment benefits
Kenya is just not competitive in the sweat shop garment industry due to high cost constrains. If it were, Agoa would be fully utilized. Mitumba of everything from clothes, vehicles , computers etc are just indicators of a low income economy.
Cost of labor is the biggest cost factor not logistics.
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How much do they pay in EPZ compared to say Bangladesh? And what do we need to reduce the cost of labour say in SEZ - say we curve out 100K acres Lamu - make it a small china to employ a million people. Disallow unions. Set Minimum wages to Bangladesh/Veitnam. It's a free country - whoever will be willing to go to SEZ - and live/work like Bangadeshi sweat job - should go there - rather than starving or stealing
Cost of labor is the biggest cost factor not logistics.
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How much do they pay in EPZ compared to say Bangladesh? And what do we need to reduce the cost of labour say in SEZ - say we curve out 100K acres Lamu - make it a small china to employ a million people. Disallow unions. Set Minimum wages to Bangladesh/Veitnam. It's a free country - whoever will be willing to go to SEZ - and live/work like Bangadeshi sweat job - should go there - rather than starving or stealing
Cost of labor is the biggest cost factor not logistics.
Its a question of low productivity,
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Why? Lack of training? Equipment?
Its a question of low productivity,
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Mitumba should be banned...we need to have local textile companies supplied by local cotton growers..most of these Mitumba people will be absorbed in that value chain...GOVERMENT can also train and sub contract Mitumba sellers with textile machines to work from their homes and supply apparels with certain set standards.
I just wonder how these Mitumba people survive...mara the Mitumba bale has torn clothes,shoes not similar,price up and down....very unustainable,ladies who used to do it back in the 1980s and 1990s became gikomba prostitutes to feed their families while men became drunkards..i saw many broken homes from gikomba tradeds while factory employees had strong family units because of sustainable income while they could also manage to educate their children through loans unlike gikomba traders.
I rather work in epz athi river and earn 20k than be a gikomba TRADER.SAVAGERY.
I did it years back.Its hell.
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It has to start with growing BT cotton - that GMO cotton - is what will start value chain for textile and animal feeds.
This Ruto has taken a bold move - BT cotton is now a reality.
Otherwise it will be same - importing rolls of finished - then stacking it up.
Mitumba is great for lower class - who can buy clothes for 100 bob.
So why ban? Why dont new clothes compete?
Let slum dwellers and poor people wear mitumba.
The more choice the better...
Until such a time we are growing tonnes of cotton.
Mitumba should be banned...we need to have local textile companies supplied by local cotton growers..most of these Mitumba people will be absorbed in that value chain...GOVERMENT can also train and sub contract Mitumba sellers with textile machines to work from their homes and supply apparels with certain set standards.
I just wonder how these Mitumba people survive...mara the Mitumba bale has torn clothes,shoes not similar,price up and down....very unustainable,ladies who used to do it back in the 1980s and 1990s became gikomba prostitutes to feed their families while men became drunkards..i saw many broken homes from gikomba tradeds while factory employees had strong family units because of sustainable income while they could also manage to educate their children through loans unlike gikomba traders.
I rather work in epz athi river and earn 20k than be a gikomba TRADER.SAVAGERY.
I did it years back.Its hell.
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Kenya labor cost is high for sweatshop jobs. The only solution is to increase productivity per worker or move up the value chain . L wakiki the turkish company with several branches in kenya, their clothes are made in Turkey. The catch is they own their brands.
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What if we lowered minimum wage - lock up atwoli. I know this minimum wage this has forced tea companies to bring in machines. I know in many places outside main cities - people are willing to work for less than minimum wage.
What if we let Kshs to weaken?
All in all - this to me point to SEZ - special zone where we can set all the optimum conditions - like Shenzen did - and Lamu is ideal - we set up mini sweatjobs - if you're willing to work for slave wages go for it - no kenya laws apply. This is what China did.
That port will be useless anyway as idle like Isiolo port - so hive out 50,000 acres around it - give it to Chinese/Veitname/Bangladesh - whoever wants - let investors get diplomatic passports - let them do whatever they want - as long as they grow our exports and provide millions of jobs. Nothing more.
Kenya labor cost is high for sweatshop jobs. The only solution is to increase productivity per worker or move up the value chain . L wakiki the turkish company with several branches in kenya, their clothes are made in Turkey. The catch is they own their brands.
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The Plan
Garments and textiles: This is a huge entry
industry for export-led industrialisation that
has propelled South East Asia. We have pursued this strategy since the early 1990s, with
limited success. Although garment exports
are now our third largest component at Sh60
billion and employing 50,000 people, it pales
in significance compared to Bangladesh’s
Sh4.2 trillion exports and employing 4 million
people, and accounting for over 90 per cent
of exports. Notably, the Bangladeshi industry
is less than a decade older than ours. The difference is the cost of labour. Shop floor wage
in Bangladesh is $80 (Sh9600 a month), while
ours is more than double, even though productivity is the same output per worker at
$10,000 (Sh1.2 million) a year. This is partly
because of the comparative advantage. Bangladesh is labour rich/resource poor, with a
population density of 1,265 people per sq.
km, 13 times that of Kenya (94 people/sq.km).
Bangladesh also has high agricultural productivity which makes food cheap and, in effect,
low cost of living, hence Bangladeshi workers
spend much less on food than in Kenya. This
applies to South Asia generally, as well as the
Asian Tigers in the 1960s and 1970s. But this
is not the only model.
Turkey with a minimum wage of $500
(Sh60,000) before currency collapse, is also
globally competitive with exports of $12
billion a year. The difference is that the Bangladeshi industry serves mass market generic garments, while Turkey specialises in the
fashion industry. Kenya is stuck between the
two: Wages are too high for the mass market, and industry is not sophisticated enough
for the fashion market. The original terms of
African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA)
required Kenya to integrate the garment export industry backwards, that is, to use locally manufactured textiles made with locally
grown cotton. To date, Kenya has been unable to meet its quota. The industry is still importing over 90 per cent of the raw materials
from Asia.
Since raw material, primarily fabric and yarn,
is two-thirds of cost/value, current export level translates to a $300 million (Sh300 billion)
market. If we are to meet this market, simplistic interventions such as banning mitumba
(second-hand clothes) will not solve the problem. We must be able to produce and convert
cotton into fabric competitively. Much hope
is pegged on BT cotton. Pilot projects over
the last two years show good results with irrigation, but high vulnerability to drought. The
Kenya Kwanza government will work with the
apparel export industry to develop a viable
cotton raw material supply chain
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From Ndii - focus seem to be grow BT Cotton
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Kuria has the right focus,we need produce cheap clothes locally,key is GM cotton and other technology,we can easily be like asian countries that produce clothes for the world have EPZ laying idle.