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Title: Cannon fodder
Post by: audacityofhope on October 29, 2022, 12:36:09 PM
... to defend Xheson ....

Expect knee jerk response from Noway on the lines of ... this is propaganda. He cries louder than the bereaved, never mind that these are the cries and words of the bereaved.

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Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
  Someone has really drank the western cool aide. Can you diversify your sources of information and stop relying on government/intelligence funded propaganda. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.  Either Ukraine will be destroyed by the winter or a negotiated settlement has to be made.  America is only interested in selling weapons and liquefied gas to Europe  and will continue funding the war for as long as it takes.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: audacityofhope on October 29, 2022, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
  Someone has really drank the western cool aide. Can you diversify your sources of information and stop relying on government/intelligence funded propaganda. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.  Either Ukraine will be destroyed by the winter or a negotiated settlement has to be made.  America is only interested in selling weapons and liquefied gas to Europe  and will continue funding the war for as long as it takes.
Buffoon diversify to what source? A source that has nothing to do with the theater of conflict? For mankind's sake (that is not including you), what better source -  these are Russians, human beings, humans with families ... right out of the horses mouth as they are prepped into going to a conflict they are ill prepared to carry out. If these Russians were so sure that Ukraine will be "destroyed by the winter", don't you think they would have skipped these theatrics and already be in the Kherson frontline? Think! Kumbaff.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 29, 2022, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: audacityofhope on October 29, 2022, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
  Someone has really drank the western cool aide. Can you diversify your sources of information and stop relying on government/intelligence funded propaganda. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.  Either Ukraine will be destroyed by the winter or a negotiated settlement has to be made.  America is only interested in selling weapons and liquefied gas to Europe  and will continue funding the war for as long as it takes.
Buffoon diversify to what source? A source that has nothing to do with the theater of conflict? For mankind's sake (that is not including you), what better source -  these are Russians, human beings, humans with families ... right out of the horses mouth as they are prepped into going to a conflict they are ill prepared to carry out. If these Russians were so sure that Ukraine will be "destroyed by the winter", don't you think they would have skipped these theatrics and already be in the Kherson frontline? Think! Kumbaff.

No.  Those are staged scenes by western propaganda :D .

Either way.  Short comedian couldn’t care less.  His mission is to hunt down these poor souls and kill them.  The conscripts understand that in a way few of us will hopefully ever get to understand.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: mankind on October 29, 2022, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 29, 2022, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: audacityofhope on October 29, 2022, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
  Someone has really drank the western cool aide. Can you diversify your sources of information and stop relying on government/intelligence funded propaganda. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.  Either Ukraine will be destroyed by the winter or a negotiated settlement has to be made.  America is only interested in selling weapons and liquefied gas to Europe  and will continue funding the war for as long as it takes.
Buffoon diversify to what source? A source that has nothing to do with the theater of conflict? For mankind's sake (that is not including you), what better source -  these are Russians, human beings, humans with families ... right out of the horses mouth as they are prepped into going to a conflict they are ill prepared to carry out. If these Russians were so sure that Ukraine will be "destroyed by the winter", don't you think they would have skipped these theatrics and already be in the Kherson frontline? Think! Kumbaff.

No.  Those are staged scenes by western propaganda :D .

Either way.  Short comedian couldn’t care less.  His mission is to hunt down these poor souls and kill them.  The conscripts understand that in a way few of us will hopefully ever get to understand.



       I will not engage you in matusi so continue swimming in matope by yourself but answer my question above. If it is true Ukraine has lost 400k soldiers according to sources I find more honest, then how is that a win for Ukraine? If you had a modicum of civility then you would ask for those sources then interrogate them but because you believe crap being pushed by intelligence services for the military industrial complex , you cant see that this war is much more devastating for Ukraine than Russia. There is no less than 70 western satellites helping Ukraine plus reconnaissance aircraft . If you think Russia is fighting Ukraine then you are just too dumb to educate. This is a war between the west led by the US verses Russia and to greater extend China . If Russia is defeated then China will be next and that is what makes this very dangerous because none of the camps is ready to face each other directly and in the process Ukraine is being destroyed as we speak. Ukimaliza matusi bookmark this and lets revisit after the winter. Either there is a negotiated settlement or Ukraine will be destroyed. The only other option is a nuclear war and we probably all die. So continue cheering the madness and hopefully you are too old to be drafted or your kids are too young because some of us are afraid that is where we are headed.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 29, 2022, 05:44:29 PM

lots of Hahushka , if you know Russian accent you can identify from which region.
The Hashuskas in that Russian being talked is defeaning ,  to explain its like when a Kirinyaga tries to talk Kikuyu , one can readily tell the difference. Those videos are stage managed for propagandas sake .
Even prisoners in Bakhmut are doing a good job But CNN and western media is just airing propaganda stage managed by Ukrainians

Quote from: audacityofhope on October 29, 2022, 12:36:09 PM
... to defend Xheson ....

Expect knee jerk response from Noway on the lines of ... this is propaganda. He cries louder than the bereaved, never mind that these are the cries and words of the bereaved.

?s=20&t=YjMRTxQQUnYIx5yGSALdKg
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 29, 2022, 07:22:00 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 29, 2022, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: audacityofhope on October 29, 2022, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
  Someone has really drank the western cool aide. Can you diversify your sources of information and stop relying on government/intelligence funded propaganda. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.  Either Ukraine will be destroyed by the winter or a negotiated settlement has to be made.  America is only interested in selling weapons and liquefied gas to Europe  and will continue funding the war for as long as it takes.
Buffoon diversify to what source? A source that has nothing to do with the theater of conflict? For mankind's sake (that is not including you), what better source -  these are Russians, human beings, humans with families ... right out of the horses mouth as they are prepped into going to a conflict they are ill prepared to carry out. If these Russians were so sure that Ukraine will be "destroyed by the winter", don't you think they would have skipped these theatrics and already be in the Kherson frontline? Think! Kumbaff.

No.  Those are staged scenes by western propaganda :D .

Either way.  Short comedian couldn’t care less.  His mission is to hunt down these poor souls and kill them.  The conscripts understand that in a way few of us will hopefully ever get to understand.



       I will not engage you in matusi so continue swimming in matope by yourself but answer my question above. If it is true Ukraine has lost 400k soldiers according to sources I find more honest, then how is that a win for Ukraine? If you had a modicum of civility then you would ask for those sources then interrogate them but because you believe crap being pushed by intelligence services for the military industrial complex , you cant see that this war is much more devastating for Ukraine than Russia. There is no less than 70 western satellites helping Ukraine plus reconnaissance aircraft . If you think Russia is fighting Ukraine then you are just too dumb to educate. This is a war between the west led by the US verses Russia and to greater extend China . If Russia is defeated then China will be next and that is what makes this very dangerous because none of the camps is ready to face each other directly and in the process Ukraine is being destroyed as we speak. Ukimaliza matusi bookmark this and lets revisit after the winter. Either there is a negotiated settlement or Ukraine will be destroyed. The only other option is a nuclear war and we probably all die. So continue cheering the madness and hopefully you are too old to be drafted or your kids are too young because some of us are afraid that is where we are headed.

The war is more devastating for Ukraine than Russia; that is obvious.  I see no point addressing an issue that I have neither raised nor doubted.  I think we disagree on pretty much everything else.  I would attempt to address those differences if I were not convinced it's futile.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: audacityofhope on October 30, 2022, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
.. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.... There is no less than 70 western satellites helping Ukraine plus reconnaissance aircraft. If you think Russia is fighting Ukraine then you are just too dumb to educate.
I don't get your point. Seems you are not a student of history. Even if it were true Ukraine has lost 400K men, so what? In whose favor is the front-line moving currently? ... Is there any nation that lost more men in World War II than USSR? No! No country sacrificed more men than Russia yet by sheer human casualties will you say Germany won World War II? North Korea & Vietnam beat up US army even when hordes and hordes of Vietcong were mowed down by crack US troops. And what is wrong with getting help and forming alliances in battles and wars?. It was Allies against the Axis powers. Wars ar not won on brawn alone: you will need intelligence, tactics, alliances etc. You are the one who is dumb and uneducated. You argue like you never live in another world or under a rock.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: mankind on October 30, 2022, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: audacityofhope on October 30, 2022, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
.. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.... There is no less than 70 western satellites helping Ukraine plus reconnaissance aircraft. If you think Russia is fighting Ukraine then you are just too dumb to educate.
I don't get your point. Seems you are not a student of history. Even if it were true Ukraine has lost 400K men, so what? In whose favor is the front-line moving currently? ... Is there any nation that lost more men in World War II than USSR? No! No country sacrificed more men than Russia yet by sheer human casualties will you say Germany won World War II? North Korea & Vietnam beat up US army even when hordes and hordes of Vietcong were mowed down by crack US troops. And what is wrong with getting help and forming alliances in battles and wars?. It was Allies against the Axis powers. Wars ar not won on brawn alone: you will need intelligence, tactics, alliances etc. You are the one who is dumb and uneducated. You argue like you never live in another world or under a rock.

     When your sources of information are propaganda channels masquerading as news channels then I cant blame you . Radio free Europe was/is probably still funded by the CIA. This war is mostly an information war where the west is winning but the real battle is being won by Russia if you read from sources other than those that clearly are a part of the psychological war machinery. Russia started with about 200k soldiers with Ukraine's 700k or so. Russia just completed its first mobilization while Ukraine are on their 5th  having mobilized a million men minimum. Russia got itself overextended on a thousand mile front and thus left itself vulnerable to counter offensives. They have realized the mistake and that was the purpose of the 300k mobilization that just ended. Winter is going to be very tough for the Ukrainians something the mayor of Kiev alluded to a few days ago. Forty percent of their grid is completely gone and more is coming. Now if you know a little bit of history then you know that Germany had the same problem as Ukraine today. They just ran out of manpower while the soviet union despite the loses had an almost unending supply of men. Currently Russia has about 25 million men who could be called up to fight while Ukraine has a fraction of that. From the very beginning Ukraine had a very strong military trained and equipped by Nato to its standards. Most Soviet equipment had some aspect of manufacturing in Ukraine so its not like Iraq where the US could just come in and dominate. In 1998 Nato had to bomb Serbia for close to 100 days and still with old soviet technology the Serbs shot down a supposed stealthy 117 nighthawk and Nato would not dare send ground troops. So stop this propaganda while Ukraine is being destroyed. I could post hundreds of videos some manipulated from pro russian sources showing Ukraine being decimated but as I told you I try to check out the sources and their affiliations before I believe them. Now tell me if I should believe Professor Jeffrey Sachs  or Stephen Cohen or some rent a general on CNN who probably is on the board of some defense company.

      Here is one of those channels showing Ukrainian equipment getting decimated
   
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 31, 2022, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: audacityofhope on October 30, 2022, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
.. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.... There is no less than 70 western satellites helping Ukraine plus reconnaissance aircraft. If you think Russia is fighting Ukraine then you are just too dumb to educate.
I don't get your point. Seems you are not a student of history. Even if it were true Ukraine has lost 400K men, so what? In whose favor is the front-line moving currently? ... Is there any nation that lost more men in World War II than USSR? No! No country sacrificed more men than Russia yet by sheer human casualties will you say Germany won World War II? North Korea & Vietnam beat up US army even when hordes and hordes of Vietcong were mowed down by crack US troops. And what is wrong with getting help and forming alliances in battles and wars?. It was Allies against the Axis powers. Wars ar not won on brawn alone: you will need intelligence, tactics, alliances etc. You are the one who is dumb and uneducated. You argue like you never live in another world or under a rock.

You can’t reason with a “how dare they defend their country against an invasion” mindset.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Nowayhaha on November 01, 2022, 01:02:36 PM
Yes U.S.S.R. Lost alot of lives in WW2 hence the reason there is a special operation in Ukraine to make sure it does not repeat.
Fyi majority of those soldiers were in the Western Flank flank, plainly put it In what now is Ukraine .
U.S.S.R liberated all those Eastern European countries and it was the reason that they emerged as a Super Power post WW2.
You probably do dont understand what is happening , it a change of World Order and U.S. is fighting tooth and nail to ensure status quo remains, unfortunately the ship has sailed . Off with Unilaterism and hail Multilaterism

Quote from: audacityofhope on October 30, 2022, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: mankind on October 29, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
.. I have heard that Ukraine probably has lost upwards of 400k men on top of 20% of their land. If that is winning then I don't know what losing looks like.... There is no less than 70 western satellites helping Ukraine plus reconnaissance aircraft. If you think Russia is fighting Ukraine then you are just too dumb to educate.
I don't get your point. Seems you are not a student of history. Even if it were true Ukraine has lost 400K men, so what? In whose favor is the front-line moving currently? ... Is there any nation that lost more men in World War II than USSR? No! No country sacrificed more men than Russia yet by sheer human casualties will you say Germany won World War II? North Korea & Vietnam beat up US army even when hordes and hordes of Vietcong were mowed down by crack US troops. And what is wrong with getting help and forming alliances in battles and wars?. It was Allies against the Axis powers. Wars ar not won on brawn alone: you will need intelligence, tactics, alliances etc. You are the one who is dumb and uneducated. You argue like you never live in another world or under a rock.