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Title: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 06:23:13 PM
Let's not hear of open the server https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/supreme-court-orders-iebc-to-allow-raila-odinga-access-to-election-results-servers-3931164
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 30, 2022, 06:38:53 PM
In 2017 they refused. And because the govt was on the side of refusing, they disobeyed a court order
Then and now, this one fact about servers has not changed: Any Access onto a server always leaves foot prints.

UDA need not hold their breath, they will be "Smoked out" & Baba better spend his money well - even if he does not have it - to pull in a very qualified system forensic security expert.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 30, 2022, 06:55:35 PM
This is what I wanted. I'm glad. At least now we'll know the truth. If Ruto won, I'll move on, even if Baba doesn't. Let truth prevail.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on August 30, 2022, 07:15:59 PM
In 2017 they refused. And because the govt was on the side of refusing, they disobeyed a court order
Then and now, this one fact about servers has not changed: Any Access onto a server always leaves foot prints.

UDA need not hold their breath, they will be "Smoked out" & Baba better spend his money well - even if he does not have it - to pull in a very qualified system forensic security expert.
I doubt Kenya has qualified cybersecurity experts; he may have to look around the globe. In such a task, you need at minimum CISSP, CISA officials with 10 years of experience ranging from Computer Forensic Analyst, Cyber Forensic Analyst, Network Forensic examiner, Fraud analyst, Cryptologic Forensic Examiner, Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator, and many more titles under RVHH's belt. Also, his advisor should tell him to find experts who can audit all the Defense-In-Depth nature covering logical and physical security. It is sad that they can see government people trying to mess with the perimeter and IEBC stuff if they audit the physical side. Further, I wouldn't be surprised to find the government's script kiddies or full-blow black and gray-hat hackers once they go to the logical side of the equation. For instance, IDS/IPS, encryption, firewall, Vlans, access, etc. Complete audits based on what is in the public domain may incriminate Azimio, especially if the IT staff supervising them are Smartmatic IT people!


Title: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 30, 2022, 07:23:52 PM
In 2017 they refused. And because the govt was on the side of refusing, they disobeyed a court order
Then and now, this one fact about servers has not changed: Any Access onto a server always leaves foot prints.

UDA need not hold their breath, they will be "Smoked out" & Baba better spend his money well - even if he does not have it - to pull in a very qualified system forensic security expert.

I like to add that they had no problem pouring out the entrails of the server for the uncontested rerun, even though nobody ordered them to.  A small, but revelatory detail.  If they were consistent by not opening it the second time, it would be easier to sell the generally unconvincing lie that they were concerned about security.  By contrast, they remain in defiance of the first order to this moment.

That aside, I can't make head or tail of why they want to access the server in this case.  What are they trying to find?  Hacking is an ill-understood term and conjures up all manner of unhelpful things, and paranoia.  Hacking most often involves perfectly "authorized" access carrying activities that on the surface are authorized and leave no useful scent depending on a lot of variables.  I feel that this is a wild goose chase in this particular case.  But again, without really knowing what they want, I might of course be wrong.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: KenyanPlato on August 30, 2022, 07:34:44 PM
Raila is on wild goose chase.,he should stick to the paper and leave technology alone. he has no team to help him unravel any manipulation that requires people trusted with controls to give up those controls to bad actors
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 07:38:24 PM
Let's see what they find in the server...of course nothing
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 30, 2022, 07:48:25 PM
In 2017 they refused. And because the govt was on the side of refusing, they disobeyed a court order
Then and now, this one fact about servers has not changed: Any Access onto a server always leaves foot prints.

UDA need not hold their breath, they will be "Smoked out" & Baba better spend his money well - even if he does not have it - to pull in a very qualified system forensic security expert.

I like to add that they had no problem pouring out the entrails of the server for the uncontested rerun, even though nobody ordered them to.  A small, but revelatory detail.  If they were consistent by not opening it the second time, it would be easier to sell the generally unconvincing lie that they were concerned about security.  By contrast, they remain in defiance of the first order to this moment.

That aside, I can't make head or tail of why they want to access the server in this case.  What are they trying to find?  Hacking is an ill-understood term and conjures up all manner of unhelpful things, and paranoia.  Hacking most often involves perfectly "authorized" access carrying activities that on the surface are authorized and leave no useful scent depending on a lot of variables.  I feel that this is a wild goose chase in this particular case.  But again, without really knowing what they want, I might of course be wrong.

Woyee, Surely Termie, you can't be that clueless: one thing they would want to do is find out who accessed the server. Apparently a lot of roles in IEBC were gazetted. So No. 1 is there anybody who accessed the server that was not gazetted to do so? No.2 Were there any server write-access intrusions from outside the network locations that were gazetted? Deal with that before going onto finding what was changed. The 3 IEBC staff, were they authorized ICT staff to have the access they are alleged to have had?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 30, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
People tend to forget the so called server of 2017 was basically what IEBC was using for transmission of provisional tallied results.
IEBC relied heavily on the provisional results unlike these time on verified results to announce Uhuru as winner.
What they hope to get this time around from the serve only they know how it will help them. If the form 34A are the same as physicall Form 34 A. Then thats it.


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Despite the delays in receiving the 34A tally
forms at the national level, the IEBC did not take
advantage of the seven-day deadline provided by
the law to announce results. Instead, the IEBC
hastily declared presidential election results on
Aug. 11, just three days after election day. The
Kenya Elections Act requires the IEBC to publish
the presidential election results forms on an online
public portal. Out of 40,883 results forms, only
30,000, or three-fourths of the scanned 34A forms,
were published on Aug. 9. The remaining 34As
were only uploaded after the deadline for filing
petitions on Aug. 25. Constituency results forms
(34Bs) were posted only two days before the dead-
line for filing a petition to challenge the results of
the presidential elections.35
This breakdown in the results-transmission
system critically undermined the transparency of
the tallying process and severely hindered verifica-
tion efforts by parties and independent observers,
leading to legitimate questions about the accuracy
of the results. The failure of the system to work as
expected fueled NASA’s challenge of the presiden-
tial election results as well as the court’s ruling to
annul the election.
After the presidential results were announced,
NASA scrutinized the results forms and compared
the 34As and 34Bs gathered from the IEBC with
those of their party agents. It alleged significant
irregularities in the results tally forms and said
that the IEBC information technology system had
been hacked and the results changed. NASA’s
claims were included in their petition challenging
the results, which included a request to access
the IEBC server to verify whether it had been
infiltrated. The IEBC could have avoided some of
these issues if it had used the time available to it
before announcing the results to collect and post
all the 34A forms, enabling all sides to compare
them to the county-level 34B forms
.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 30, 2022, 07:56:18 PM
Raila is on wild goose chase.,he should stick to the paper and leave technology alone. he has no team to help him unravel any manipulation that requires people trusted with controls to give up those controls to bad actors
Njamba you are another one. What lead to the 2017 presidential election being annulled was the 'process' - more specifically problems were detected with the transmission of results. This was a technical thing. we have renegades like Chirchir roaming free and it is okay to let them do as they please? Remember the parties are putting their case to non-technical people (Judges) who have decided that the standard of proof need only be: The balance of probabilities. This is a lower standard than in a criminal case which requires 'beyond reasonable doubt'. This is a low hanging fruit
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 07:57:21 PM
I doubt they were that many direct users like in 2017 which was basic file server.Smartmatic results management was more sophisticated.Most users access the server via VPN tunnels after using their fingerprints.That is on kiems kit front...the POS.I think CRO logged into the web portal and uploaded form 34Bs possibly using just normal email & password.The rest of access will be IEBC and smartmatic systems administrators. So the tall stories about server fails by simple reason that pos needed to use their fingerprints to log in, VPN tunnel opened, and they uploaded...each device had their unique identifiers..we're georeferenced..each form had QR code.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 30, 2022, 08:01:09 PM
In 2017 they refused. And because the govt was on the side of refusing, they disobeyed a court order
Then and now, this one fact about servers has not changed: Any Access onto a server always leaves foot prints.

UDA need not hold their breath, they will be "Smoked out" & Baba better spend his money well - even if he does not have it - to pull in a very qualified system forensic security expert.

I like to add that they had no problem pouring out the entrails of the server for the uncontested rerun, even though nobody ordered them to.  A small, but revelatory detail.  If they were consistent by not opening it the second time, it would be easier to sell the generally unconvincing lie that they were concerned about security.  By contrast, they remain in defiance of the first order to this moment.

That aside, I can't make head or tail of why they want to access the server in this case.  What are they trying to find?  Hacking is an ill-understood term and conjures up all manner of unhelpful things, and paranoia.  Hacking most often involves perfectly "authorized" access carrying activities that on the surface are authorized and leave no useful scent depending on a lot of variables.  I feel that this is a wild goose chase in this particular case.  But again, without really knowing what they want, I might of course be wrong.

Woyee, Surely Termie, you can't be that clueless: one thing they would want to do is find out who accessed the server. Apparently a lot of roles in IEBC were gazetted. So No. 1 is there anybody who accessed the server that was not gazetted to do so? No.2 Were there any server write-access intrusions from outside the network locations that were gazetted? Deal with that before going onto finding what was changed.

I confess cluelessness :D.  Let's suppose there was illegal access and it's exposed.  Maybe some admin login from an unauthorized location.  The files, as far as I can tell still reflect the physical forms(my assumption and I could be wrong).  So the remedy would be to ensure better enforcement of those roles in the next election.  How does that help this case? 
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 30, 2022, 08:20:26 PM
Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to see.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 08:25:17 PM
Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to s
Moses ledama sunkuli of iebc says they verified original against online.. perfect match...only one mathematical error in kilifi.Raila has presented forged 2017 logs and more ominous forged online form 34A...instead of agent carbon copies..he was entitled to four copies...and could also take pictures of original in the phone .Let hear tomorrow the evidence...but Raila relying on hacking using githongo crap, forgeries of form 34 and finally cheroro iebc split
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 30, 2022, 08:28:27 PM

Which kind of verification was Azimio doing at the Bomas if this is the case. Unlike in 2017 where they could cast doubt using this tactic.  These time around Chebukati took time and ensured all Form 34A were verified at Bomas.


Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to see.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 30, 2022, 08:34:06 PM
Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to see.

If you put it that way, then it becomes interesting.  If true, then it would leave a few people with serious legal liability.  So basically they want to audit the process from polling station to the server.  Then they have to prove that the files on the server are not identical to the ones sent by KIEMS kit.  I don't know the workings of KIEMS, but if they retain a copy(it seems logical) of the file they send, then this can be determined.


Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 30, 2022, 08:34:31 PM
Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to see.

Termie, please answer me because I have a legit question here based on what you said with my zero IT knowhow. Not interested in hearing testimony from IEBC, UDA, or Azimio; I'm already well aware what each party is claiming in this case. I want to know if the Azimio allegations as I've described them here are TRACABLE in/on the server. The Server, I fairly presume, is not IEBC/UDA/Azimio. Is it tracable or not? Iyo tu. Story zingine sina haja, I know them all.  :)
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 30, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Oh, sorry! You already replied  :)
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 30, 2022, 08:36:45 PM
Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to see.

If you put it that way, then it becomes interesting.  If true, then it would leave a few people with serious legal liability.  So basically they want to audit the process from polling station to the server.  Then they have to prove that the files on the server are not identical to the ones sent by KIEMS kit.  I don't know the workings of KIEMS, but if they retain a copy(it seems logical) of the file they send, then this can be determined.

Thanks! That's 90% of the case and is literally the only thing I'm interested in finding out.  :)
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on August 30, 2022, 08:44:08 PM

Which kind of verification was Azimio doing at the Bomas if this is the case. Unlike in 2017 where they could cast doubt using this tactic.  These time around Chebukati took time and ensured all Form 34A were verified at Bomas.


Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to see.
Chebukati wanted his commission NOT to be demolished like Kivuitu and Isaac Hassan's; that is why he ticked all the boxes. Even with Chebukati's honest work, the cabal is manufacturing things along the way to soil his commission because of the humiliating defeat. I hope they will learn to be honest, have a tested plan, campaign aggressively, and, most importantly, avoid going into bouts with a meticulous calculator like Ruto. Against all odds, WSR kneecapped them wide open [Thrilla in Manila rope a dope of politics!]
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 09:08:32 PM
Server belong to IEBC/Smartmatic - and if they were to do monkey games - they would have the wherewhitall to clean up - and so you wont find anything incriminating. This just desperation.

The best defence against hacking in this process was simple - make videos of pronouncement by the PO via whatsapp, get picture of the original, & have it whatsapped, get the four carbon copies as original delivered to you physically, get picture of the pinned one in classroom. CONFRONT CHEBUKATI with this - and he has NO DEFENCE.

Otherwise server - Smartmatic have remote and backdoor access - and will clean up their mess way before any System Audit arrive. It's their server and systems. It's them to determine what get logged and the level of details.  What do you think they've been doing two weeks btw election and now - clean up any mess that might be incriminating! Make sure all everything ticks the boxes.

The Server, I fairly presume, is not IEBC/UDA/Azimio. Is it tracable or not? Iyo tu. Story zingine sina haja, I know them all.  :)
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 30, 2022, 09:15:37 PM
Termie, Azimio are claiming some of the forms sent on election night by KIEMS are not what's on the portal. That's they were intercepted and replaced. That in their case, the physical forms are not what was done on election night but replacements whose copies were later uploaded onto the portal to look like they came from the KIEMS/polling stations. They claim it happened only on some forms and the changes were small figures. Is that not tracable in the server? Personally, this is the ONLY thing I want to see. If it never happened, then I'll be satisfied. I think this is also what the court wants to see.

If you put it that way, then it becomes interesting.  If true, then it would leave a few people with serious legal liability.  So basically they want to audit the process from polling station to the server.  Then they have to prove that the files on the server are not identical to the ones sent by KIEMS kit.  I don't know the workings of KIEMS, but if they retain a copy(it seems logical) of the file they send, then this can be determined.

Thanks! That's 90% of the case and is literally the only thing I'm interested in finding out.  :)
Nothing in life merits being overly complicated. :D
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 30, 2022, 09:21:14 PM
Server belong to IEBC/Smartmatic - and if they were to do monkey games - they would have the wherewhitall to clean up - and so you wont find anything incriminating. This just desperation.

The best defence against hacking in this process was simple - make videos of pronouncement by the PO via whatsapp, get picture of the original, & have it whatsapped, get the four carbon copies as original delivered to you physically, get picture of the pinned one in classroom. CONFRONT CHEBUKATI with this - and he has NO DEFENCE.

Otherwise server - Smartmatic have remote and backdoor access - and will clean up their mess way before any System Audit arrive. It's their server and systems. It's them to determine what get logged and the level of details.  What do you think they've been doing two weeks btw election and now - clean up any mess that might be incriminating! Make sure all everything ticks the boxes.

The Server, I fairly presume, is not IEBC/UDA/Azimio. Is it tracable or not? Iyo tu. Story zingine sina haja, I know them all.  :)

Bull crap. Your problem pundit is that you give us links that you youself do not read:
Let's not hear of open the server https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/supreme-court-orders-iebc-to-allow-raila-odinga-access-to-election-results-servers-3931164
This will be first & foremost a Forensic undertaking. In the snippet from your link you can see double mention is made of the technology system security policy.  A computer policy will lay out how often the system backups are made. If IEBC religiously followed the policies, then system backups must be produced for inspection at moments notice. Saying they did make them or that they were deleted will not fly. You cant clean up a backup unless you anticipate exactly what you want to hide. Backups are compressed & in machine language. They need to be restored to be read.

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The IEBC was also ordered to provide them with copies of its technology system security policy comprising but not limited to password policy, password matrix and owners of system administration password(s).

They will also be given information on the system users and levels of access, workflow chats for identification, tallying, transmission and posting of portals.

Still on technology, IEBC will provide its technology system security policy comprising any application programming interface (API) that had been integrated and the list of human interface and controls for such intervention. However, the provision is subject to any security related issues.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 09:25:14 PM
I have 20yrs exp in these stuff - and those are just SOPS. The smoking gun you need if it existed has already been cleaned up. What would have helped Raila was proper voter protection using agents. If this server was held by someone independent of IEBC/Smartmatic then you'd be sitting pretty - but IEBC and Smartmatic have been with server for two weeks. Even today - as they pretend to prepare access - they probably went through everything - made sure nothing illegal was in there - everything was upto standard - because IEBC Tech Staff are going to get fired if Raila find a mistake. Smartmatic also did the same...remotely logged in...made sure they were no liabilities. Then tomorrow Raila is given the server to play with :)

2017 he got luckly because IEBC was slow to allow access. But now they knew 5yrs ago these kinds of questions will arise - and they are ready for Raila.

Raila evidence is Githongo bullcrap - backed by Njoroge con-game - and finally the laughable logs that Nyanganya has.

Bull crap. Your problem pundit is that you give us links that you youself do not read:
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: GeeMail on August 30, 2022, 11:37:03 PM
In 2017 they refused. And because the govt was on the side of refusing, they disobeyed a court order
Then and now, this one fact about servers has not changed: Any Access onto a server always leaves foot prints.

UDA need not hold their breath, they will be "Smoked out" & Baba better spend his money well - even if he does not have it - to pull in a very qualified system forensic security expert.

I like to add that they had no problem pouring out the entrails of the server for the uncontested rerun, even though nobody ordered them to.  A small, but revelatory detail.  If they were consistent by not opening it the second time, it would be easier to sell the generally unconvincing lie that they were concerned about security.  By contrast, they remain in defiance of the first order to this moment.

That aside, I can't make head or tail of why they want to access the server in this case.  What are they trying to find?  Hacking is an ill-understood term and conjures up all manner of unhelpful things, and paranoia.  Hacking most often involves perfectly "authorized" access carrying activities that on the surface are authorized and leave no useful scent depending on a lot of variables.  I feel that this is a wild goose chase in this particular case.  But again, without really knowing what they want, I might of course be wrong.

This is the most reasoned argument one can make in this case. Chebukati claims all form 34As are in the portal but theft can be hidden in plain sight. If false 34As were created and uploaded, he will claim Maina Kiai ruling to uphold them. But few people pay attention to the fact that East Africa Data Handlers showed Chebukati PA Kwanusu accessed the server and did many things around 27 times. Kwanusu is not gazetted to have access but the assumption is that being Chebukati's PA grants him access. How about Chebukati's wife, hairdresser, secretary, advocate, cousin and uncle? Hacking will not appear if authorized users make "legal" edits and changes in the server.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 11:43:41 PM
Which law says someone should be gazetted to have access to any system. Chebukati can delegate any clerical work to his staff. You dont expect Chebukati to generate the excels and all that IT stuff. What you should be telling us is whether PA did something illegal - otherwise if he was assisting chebukati - that was his job.
This is the most reasoned argument one can make in this case. Chebukati claims all form 34As are in the portal but theft can be hidden in plain sight. If false 34As were created and uploaded, he will claim Maina Kiai ruling to uphold them. But few people pay attention to the fact that East Africa Data Handlers showed Chebukati PA Kwanusu accessed the server and did many things around 27 times. Kwanusu is not gazetted to have access but the assumption is that being Chebukati's PA grants him access. How about Chebukati's wife, hairdresser, secretary, advocate, cousin and uncle? Hacking will not appear if authorized users make "legal" edits and changes in the server.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: GeeMail on August 30, 2022, 11:50:54 PM
https://www.iebc.or.ke/news/?IEBC_Gazettes_Returning_Officers

IEBC gazetted ROs for a reason. Access to servers is critical in IEBC business. You cannot allow anybody to access, delete and do funny things on server because they are Chebukati hairdresser or driver. It has to be controlled and gazetted.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2022, 11:58:34 PM
Nonsense. In 2017 my sister worked as ICT something for IEBC. IEBC is not Chebukati. Chebukati can and does delegate to IEBC - his PA is IEBC staffer - ICT clerks - ICT managers - to generate and access the database. You cannot restrict access of IEBC system to internal IEBC staff. That would be crazy.

What was gazetted are the ROS. Chebukati as presidential RO will delegate everything he wants to IEBC staff except declaration and final signing staff. The same for const RO. You dont expect Chebukati to download 46,000 forms - and tabulate them all by himself. Jinga wewe.

Chebukati gave many IEBC staff jobs to do - as Presidential RO - he gave the rogue commissioners jobs like managing the choir, refreshments, announcing the results, smilling at cameras - others were to log in to systems, download the forms, compare with physical forms, name it, enter into excel, format, do the maths.

And this main contention - Che-error group says rightly that Chebukati is not IEBC - but they assume wrongly that IEBC is commissioners.

Nope IEBC is the entire body - right from clerks to Chebukati PA. Even now in Supreme Court - each judge has 20 people working for them - maybe 10 lawyers - researchers - 10 admin/clerical staff - then they have Registar (who is CEO of the Judiciary) - also assisting in executing orders.

https://www.iebc.or.ke/news/?IEBC_Gazettes_Returning_Officers

IEBC gazetted ROs for a reason. Access to servers is critical in IEBC business. You cannot allow anybody to access, delete and do funny things on server because they are Chebukati hairdresser or driver. It has to be controlled and gazetted.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 31, 2022, 12:22:16 AM
In 2017 they refused. And because the govt was on the side of refusing, they disobeyed a court order
Then and now, this one fact about servers has not changed: Any Access onto a server always leaves foot prints.

UDA need not hold their breath, they will be "Smoked out" & Baba better spend his money well - even if he does not have it - to pull in a very qualified system forensic security expert.

I like to add that they had no problem pouring out the entrails of the server for the uncontested rerun, even though nobody ordered them to.  A small, but revelatory detail.  If they were consistent by not opening it the second time, it would be easier to sell the generally unconvincing lie that they were concerned about security.  By contrast, they remain in defiance of the first order to this moment.

That aside, I can't make head or tail of why they want to access the server in this case.  What are they trying to find?  Hacking is an ill-understood term and conjures up all manner of unhelpful things, and paranoia.  Hacking most often involves perfectly "authorized" access carrying activities that on the surface are authorized and leave no useful scent depending on a lot of variables.  I feel that this is a wild goose chase in this particular case.  But again, without really knowing what they want, I might of course be wrong.

This is the most reasoned argument one can make in this case. Chebukati claims all form 34As are in the portal but theft can be hidden in plain sight. If false 34As were created and uploaded, he will claim Maina Kiai ruling to uphold them. But few people pay attention to the fact that East Africa Data Handlers showed Chebukati PA Kwanusu accessed the server and did many things around 27 times. Kwanusu is not gazetted to have access but the assumption is that being Chebukati's PA grants him access. How about Chebukati's wife, hairdresser, secretary, advocate, cousin and uncle? Hacking will not appear if authorized users make "legal" edits and changes in the server.

From where I am sitting, the one thing that would scream system compromised, because of Dear Mama's scenario, is if the files on the server and KIEMS kit are not identical.  Not knowing much else about the system, I like to hope that guys like Chebukati(and any other normal users) cannot just change whatever they want, whenever they want, on any IEBC system.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 12:31:33 AM
In 2017 A - they were digital plus scanned forms. Digital entries you can easily change. This IEBC discountinued - although it made the process very fast...now we are slow but sure.
Now these are images. Not easy to change. Even in PDF - you'd have to OCR.
Or totally replace with new images.
KIEMS kit had many security features - all these were demonstrated twice to satisfication of everyone - that KIEMS kit would not relay any fake form. PO had to log in with their fingerpints. They were many checks done before the forms could be submitted.
The digital copy itself is send to THREE SERVERS - one at CONST - one at BOMAS - and the Portal (web server)
CRO had access to documents of his const outside the portal. Chebukati the same - he had his own server. The portal was for everyone else.
To make any change - you need to cascade the changes on all the three servers.
Again if you change the form in the server - you need to cascade the changes in the physical forms.
From where I am sitting, the one thing that would scream system compromised, because of Dear Mama's scenario, is if the files on the server and KIEMS kit are not identical.  Not knowing much else about the system, I like to hope that guys like Chebukati(and any other normal users) cannot just change whatever they want, whenever they want, on any IEBC system.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 31, 2022, 12:43:15 AM
In 2017 A - they were digital plus scanned forms. Digital entries you can easily change. This IEBC discountinued - although it made the process very fast...now we are slow but sure.
Now these are images. Not easy to change. Even in PDF - you'd have to OCR.
Or totally replace with new images.
KIEMS kit had many security features - all these were demonstrated twice to satisfication of everyone - that KIEMS kit would not relay any fake form. PO had to log in with their fingerpints. They were many checks done before the forms could be submitted.
The digital copy itself is send to THREE SERVERS - one at CONST - one at BOMAS - and the Portal (web server)
CRO had access to documents of his const outside the portal. Chebukati the same - he had his own server. The portal was for everyone else.
To make any change - you need to cascade the changes on all the three servers.
Again if you change the form in the server - you need to cascade the changes in the physical forms.
From where I am sitting, the one thing that would scream system compromised, because of Dear Mama's scenario, is if the files on the server and KIEMS kit are not identical.  Not knowing much else about the system, I like to hope that guys like Chebukati(and any other normal users) cannot just change whatever they want, whenever they want, on any IEBC system.

Which is the point I make.  If the files(whatever the format) are not identical we can know right away something is wrong.  If the changes are somehow cascaded to make them identical, then we don't know whether or not something wrong happened merely by comparing files.  Depending on that actual design and implementation, that could be the end of it.  Dear Mami's scenario(really Azimio's, she is just relaying it) assumes that physical forms have also been replaced.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 31, 2022, 06:27:41 AM
In 2017 A - they were digital plus scanned forms. Digital entries you can easily change. This IEBC discountinued - although it made the process very fast...now we are slow but sure.
Now these are images. Not easy to change. Even in PDF - you'd have to OCR.
Or totally replace with new images.
KIEMS kit had many security features - all these were demonstrated twice to satisfication of everyone - that KIEMS kit would not relay any fake form. PO had to log in with their fingerpints. They were many checks done before the forms could be submitted.
The digital copy itself is send to THREE SERVERS - one at CONST - one at BOMAS - and the Portal (web server)
CRO had access to documents of his const outside the portal. Chebukati the same - he had his own server. The portal was for everyone else.
To make any change - you need to cascade the changes on all the three servers.
Again if you change the form in the server - you need to cascade the changes in the physical forms.
From where I am sitting, the one thing that would scream system compromised, because of Dear Mama's scenario, is if the files on the server and KIEMS kit are not identical.  Not knowing much else about the system, I like to hope that guys like Chebukati(and any other normal users) cannot just change whatever they want, whenever they want, on any IEBC system.

Which is the point I make.  If the files(whatever the format) are not identical we can know right away something is wrong.  If the changes are somehow cascaded to make them identical, then we don't know whether or not something wrong happened merely by comparing files.  Depending on that actual design and implementation, that could be the end of it.  Dear Mami's scenario(really Azimio's, she is just relaying it) assumes that physical forms have also been replaced.

Azimio are claiming that the KIEMS were made to first send to one thing/place/app, stuff would happen to them, then from this second stop, they would be dumped ont the Tallying centers/portal etc. In other words, they were not coming directly to the tallying center/portal but there was some kind of program mediating between KIEMS and the destinations they were supposed to be sent to. They're saying that this was done illegally/secretly. That's why the debate about PDFs started, because they wouldn't have the same identifying info on them (like which KIEMS sent them, from where and when). The suggestion was that they were converted to PDFs for precisely this. Is this something they could hide by 'cleaning up' as Pundit says?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 06:38:24 AM
You just need to read replying affidavits from IEBC to know such nonsense are improbable.That iebc would deliberately work to make one candidate pork. Is iebc run by UDA.The ICT manager is a Luo..there many Azimio tribes in IEBC so any such conspiracies would be outed. Did rigging happen.. mostly yes if PO and agents collude they did it before submitting to form 34A...but imagine someone intercept form 34A online then intercepts the original then sync changes is madness
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 31, 2022, 10:22:03 AM
In 2017 A - they were digital plus scanned forms. Digital entries you can easily change. This IEBC discountinued - although it made the process very fast...now we are slow but sure.
Now these are images. Not easy to change. Even in PDF - you'd have to OCR.
Or totally replace with new images.
KIEMS kit had many security features - all these were demonstrated twice to satisfication of everyone - that KIEMS kit would not relay any fake form. PO had to log in with their fingerpints. They were many checks done before the forms could be submitted.
The digital copy itself is send to THREE SERVERS - one at CONST - one at BOMAS - and the Portal (web server)
CRO had access to documents of his const outside the portal. Chebukati the same - he had his own server. The portal was for everyone else.
To make any change - you need to cascade the changes on all the three servers.
Again if you change the form in the server - you need to cascade the changes in the physical forms.
From where I am sitting, the one thing that would scream system compromised, because of Dear Mama's scenario, is if the files on the server and KIEMS kit are not identical.  Not knowing much else about the system, I like to hope that guys like Chebukati(and any other normal users) cannot just change whatever they want, whenever they want, on any IEBC system.

Which is the point I make.  If the files(whatever the format) are not identical we can know right away something is wrong.  If the changes are somehow cascaded to make them identical, then we don't know whether or not something wrong happened merely by comparing files.  Depending on that actual design and implementation, that could be the end of it.  Dear Mami's scenario(really Azimio's, she is just relaying it) assumes that physical forms have also been replaced.

Azimio are claiming that the KIEMS were made to first send to one thing/place/app, stuff would happen to them, then from this second stop, they would be dumped ont the Tallying centers/portal etc. In other words, they were not coming directly to the tallying center/portal but there was some kind of program mediating between KIEMS and the destinations they were supposed to be sent to. They're saying that this was done illegally/secretly. That's why the debate about PDFs started, because they wouldn't have the same identifying info on them (like which KIEMS sent them, from where and when). The suggestion was that they were converted to PDFs for precisely this. Is this something they could hide by 'cleaning up' as Pundit says?

To prove that, they still need to demonstrate that KIEMS files are not identical to the ones on the portal.  The format would be irrelevant as far as the KIEMS metadata is concerned(I confess ignorance on the exact claims here though). 

“Cleaning up” would be to “push back” these different files to KIEMS and wherever else they should be matched.   While I think that is getting ahead of ourselves, this again is something that ought to be discoverable if the IEBC system has any integrity worth a penny.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 10:29:16 AM
That wild goose chase was rejected by the court. Whatever one wants to proof - the paper trail is more than sufficient/

The court, however, declined Mr Odinga’s request on the provision of the soft copy of the voter register as well as scrutiny of the biometric voter register.

Also rejected by court was a request touching on access to all the Kiems kits and servers for all constituency tallying centres.

It also declined Mr Odinga’s plea for the terms of reference between Smartmatic International and local service providers.


To prove that, they still need to demonstrate that KIEMS files are not identical to the ones on the portal.  The format would be irrelevant as far as the KIEMS metadata is concerned(I confess ignorance on the exact claims here though). 

“Cleaning up” would be to “push back” these different files to KIEMS and wherever else they should be matched.   While I think that is getting ahead of ourselves, this again is something that ought to be discoverable if the IEBC system has any integrity worth a penny.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 31, 2022, 10:37:50 AM
Then the thread is falsely titled. If they don't examine what came from the KIEMS, which is the whole dispute, then what's the point? Some of us just want third-party assurance that we have the docs scanned and sent by KIEMS on election night. If that's not available, then there's nothing we're waiting for. :D Thread gave false hope.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 10:43:13 AM
If you want to full postmorteum of the election - it cannot be done in a week - the constitution doesnt envisage full audit being done - to help the loser deal with acceptance of their loss and closure - in 14 days of hearing and determing this case.

The constitution in fact doesnt anticipate the nullification of the election except where IEBC totally mess up that evidence is very apparent - if you have to go fishing for evidence - then clearly you cannot be helped.

What you want is full audit of IEBC, full recount, full retallying - and those things take time. All IEBC kits would have to be brought back to Nairobi - 46,000 of them, 46,000 ballot boxes - and then scrutiny - this would take weeks.

Then the thread is falsely titled. If they don't examine what came from the KIEMS, which is the whole dispute, then what's the point? Some of us just want third-party assurance that we have the docs scanned and sent by KIEMS on election night. If that's not available, then there's nothing we're waiting for. :D Thread gave false hope.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: GeeMail on August 31, 2022, 10:53:14 AM
Nonsense. In 2017 my sister worked as ICT something for IEBC. IEBC is not Chebukati. Chebukati can and does delegate to IEBC - his PA is IEBC staffer - ICT clerks - ICT managers - to generate and access the database. You cannot restrict access of IEBC system to internal IEBC staff. That would be crazy.

What was gazetted are the ROS. Chebukati as presidential RO will delegate everything he wants to IEBC staff except declaration and final signing staff. The same for const RO. You dont expect Chebukati to download 46,000 forms - and tabulate them all by himself. Jinga wewe.

Chebukati gave many IEBC staff jobs to do - as Presidential RO - he gave the rogue commissioners jobs like managing the choir, refreshments, announcing the results, smilling at cameras - others were to log in to systems, download the forms, compare with physical forms, name it, enter into excel, format, do the maths.

And this main contention - Che-error group says rightly that Chebukati is not IEBC - but they assume wrongly that IEBC is commissioners.

Nope IEBC is the entire body - right from clerks to Chebukati PA. Even now in Supreme Court - each judge has 20 people working for them - maybe 10 lawyers - researchers - 10 admin/clerical staff - then they have Registar (who is CEO of the Judiciary) - also assisting in executing orders.

https://www.iebc.or.ke/news/?IEBC_Gazettes_Returning_Officers

IEBC gazetted ROs for a reason. Access to servers is critical in IEBC business. You cannot allow anybody to access, delete and do funny things on server because they are Chebukati hairdresser or driver. It has to be controlled and gazetted.

Can Chebukati sweeper and lawyer make edits on server because they work for Chebukati? You don't know what your saying.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 10:55:49 AM
I know - in fact I have since seen read IEBC affidavit - that confirm PA was given access to server - after Chebukati authorized him - and his job was to continously download the data - for the commissioners to read out.

Remember this election - Presidential one - the boss was Chebukati - he was one to hire people to help him in Bomas - including fellow commissioners, IEBC staff and all that.

The idea that someone need to be gazetted to be granted server access is pretty dumb. Chebukati authorized many IEBC staff to have requisite access to help him - because he cannot do the job alone.

Can Chebukati sweeper and lawyer make edits on server because they work for Chebukati? You don't know what your saying.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: GeeMail on August 31, 2022, 11:06:08 AM
I know - in fact I have since seen read IEBC affidavit - that confirm PA was given access to server - after Chebukati authorized him - and his job was to continously download the data - for the commissioners to read out.

Remember this election - Presidential one - the boss was Chebukati - he was one to hire people to help him in Bomas - including fellow commissioners, IEBC staff and all that.

The idea that someone need to be gazetted to be granted server access is pretty dumb. Chebukati authorized many IEBC staff to have requisite access to help him - because he cannot do the job alone.

Can Chebukati sweeper and lawyer make edits on server because they work for Chebukati? You don't know what your saying.

Is it possible Chebukati also gave Venezuelans and the 56 Karen group access? Sound like you are making confessions. That is what Murgor is speaking right now.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 31, 2022, 11:19:31 AM
If you want to full postmorteum of the election - it cannot be done in a week - the constitution doesnt envisage full audit being done - to help the loser deal with acceptance of their loss and closure - in 14 days of hearing and determing this case.

The constitution in fact doesnt anticipate the nullification of the election except where IEBC totally mess up that evidence is very apparent - if you have to go fishing for evidence - then clearly you cannot be helped.

What you want is full audit of IEBC, full recount, full retallying - and those things take time. All IEBC kits would have to be brought back to Nairobi - 46,000 of them, 46,000 ballot boxes - and then scrutiny - this would take weeks.

Then the thread is falsely titled. If they don't examine what came from the KIEMS, which is the whole dispute, then what's the point? Some of us just want third-party assurance that we have the docs scanned and sent by KIEMS on election night. If that's not available, then there's nothing we're waiting for. :D Thread gave false hope.

If a sample of boxes can come to Nairobi, why not a sample of KIEMS Kits?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 11:20:55 AM
Peter Kirika/Youth Advocacy (Petitioner) asked for reasonable orders - they were granted. Raila asked for unreasonable orders - they were rejected.
If a sample of boxes can come to Nairobi, why not a sample of KIEMS Kits?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: bryan274 on August 31, 2022, 11:23:43 AM
Server belong to IEBC/Smartmatic - and if they were to do monkey games - they would have the wherewhitall to clean up - and so you wont find anything incriminating. This just desperation.

The best defence against hacking in this process was simple - make videos of pronouncement by the PO via whatsapp, get picture of the original, & have it whatsapped, get the four carbon copies as original delivered to you physically, get picture of the pinned one in classroom. CONFRONT CHEBUKATI with this - and he has NO DEFENCE.

Otherwise server - Smartmatic have remote and backdoor access - and will clean up their mess way before any System Audit arrive. It's their server and systems. It's them to determine what get logged and the level of details.  What do you think they've been doing two weeks btw election and now - clean up any mess that might be incriminating! Make sure all everything ticks the boxes.

The Server, I fairly presume, is not IEBC/UDA/Azimio. Is it tracable or not? Iyo tu. Story zingine sina haja, I know them all.  :)


So there was tampering.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 11:56:22 AM
We may never know - best defense is to confront Chebukati with original copies, and carbon copies. AZIMIO have nothing. Just theories.
So there was tampering.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Dear Mami on August 31, 2022, 12:22:07 PM
I'm very disappointed in this; this is all I wanted out of this whole process: original scans from KIEMS, so (1) we know the truth and (2) move on, without any weird crises. I don't care about anything else. So I'm switching off. Kumbe was waiting for nothing.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
Truth- Raila lost. You should accept it and move on. If Rail was rigged - let him provide proper evidence.
I'm very disappointed in this; this is all I wanted out of this whole process: original scans from KIEMS, so (1) we know the truth and (2) move on, without any weird crises. I don't care about anything else. So I'm switching off. Kumbe was waiting for nothing.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 31, 2022, 01:00:53 PM
I'm very disappointed in this; this is all I wanted out of this whole process: original scans from KIEMS, so (1) we know the truth and (2) move on, without any weird crises. I don't care about anything else. So I'm switching off. Kumbe was waiting for nothing.

Come back. They are physically opening the ballot Boxes and pulling out the FORM 34As. Shockingly some boxes don't have the FORM 34A inside. What were agents at the polling station given? FAKE FORM 34As?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: GeeMail on August 31, 2022, 01:05:47 PM
There will be an explosive report from the ballot scrutiny.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 31, 2022, 01:07:50 PM
So Agents knowingly signed fake Form 34As and or signed a different set of 34 As which are now being currently being pulled out from the ballot boxes .
Do some people even listen to themselves ?

I'm very disappointed in this; this is all I wanted out of this whole process: original scans from KIEMS, so (1) we know the truth and (2) move on, without any weird crises. I don't care about anything else. So I'm switching off. Kumbe was waiting for nothing.

Come back. They are physically opening the ballot Boxes and pulling out the FORM 34As. Shockingly some boxes don't have the FORM 34A inside. What were agents at the polling station given? FAKE FORM 34As?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 31, 2022, 01:09:36 PM

So now the narrative has shifted from hacking of the server to ballot boxes explosive report.


There will be an explosive report from the ballot scrutiny.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 31, 2022, 01:20:29 PM
First when you post something cross check that it makes sense. Your low IQ shows at every turn. You must be the only member of this forum who does not know that AFTER COUNTING, one copy of the signed FORM 34A had to be deposited in the ballot box BEFORE being sealed. Why then do some boxes not have them; in some boxes, was this copy not the 'final' copy one and so still need massaging? The Supreme court will want to know.
So Agents knowingly signed fake Form 34As and or signed a different set of 34 As which are now being currently being pulled out from the ballot boxes .????
Do some people even listen to themselves ?

I'm very disappointed in this; this is all I wanted out of this whole process: original scans from KIEMS, so (1) we know the truth and (2) move on, without any weird crises. I don't care about anything else. So I'm switching off. Kumbe was waiting for nothing.

Come back. They are physically opening the ballot Boxes and pulling out the FORM 34As. Shockingly some boxes don't have the FORM 34A inside. What were agents at the polling station given? FAKE FORM 34As?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: gout on August 31, 2022, 02:31:57 PM
Orengo says they have access to one server but want access to all 8. Lenaola talks about cloning or sth.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 31, 2022, 03:02:22 PM

You brought out 3 issues
1 .Opening the boxes and pulling out Form 34 As
2.Agents in Polling station given Fake Form 34 As
3 . Some boxes not having Form 34A.

This was my reply

Quote
So Agents knowingly signed fake Form 34As and or signed a different set of 34 As which are now being currently being pulled out from the ballot boxes .
Do some people even listen to themselves ?

First when you post something cross check that it makes sense. Your low IQ shows at every turn. You must be the only member of this forum who does not know that AFTER COUNTING, one copy of the signed FORM 34A had to be deposited in the ballot box BEFORE being sealed. Why then do some boxes not have them; in some boxes, was this copy not the 'final' copy one and so still need massaging? The Supreme court will want to know.
So Agents knowingly signed fake Form 34As and or signed a different set of 34 As which are now being currently being pulled out from the ballot boxes .????
Do some people even listen to themselves ?
I'm very disappointed in this; this is all I wanted out of this whole process: original scans from KIEMS, so (1) we know the truth and (2) move on, without any weird crises. I don't care about anything else. So I'm switching off. Kumbe was waiting for nothing.

Come back. They are physically opening the ballot Boxes and pulling out the FORM 34As. Shockingly some boxes don't have the FORM 34A inside. What were agents at the polling station given? FAKE FORM 34As?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: audacityofhope on August 31, 2022, 05:23:59 PM
It appears that the stumbling block that prevented the servers being open in 2017 is still calling the shots in 2022! :o

?s=20&t=8kWi3glD4pL8JzgA6gVIkw

?s=20&t=8kWi3glD4pL8JzgA6gVIkw
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 31, 2022, 07:32:23 PM
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on August 31, 2022, 08:41:16 PM
Azimio is kaput and is waiting for Samoei's Kiboko. Kenya elections are primarily manual. I remember Chebukati saying, 'we are not relying on forms at the portal; we have to wait for returning officers with physical forms". After they arrived, all commissioners in good faith verified them; then they started tallying. When they reached around 80% tallying, Samoei Ruto shattered that sucker and hit 50%+1. That is when all hell broke loose right there. Wanjala, as the other sane judges knows the same!
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: bryan274 on August 31, 2022, 08:43:59 PM

That is where the election was hacked.  THe scrutiny has already caught blank 34As in some of the boxes from Mombasa, yet the portal contains results. 

Smoking will be smokin' out electoral fraudsters.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: High Roller on September 01, 2022, 05:59:06 AM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on September 01, 2022, 06:43:31 AM
It was obvious... everything was great...media counted but once it became obvious that Ruto had won..long stories started
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 01, 2022, 09:31:25 AM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Can you share a link for those of us who might be interested?
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: bryan274 on September 01, 2022, 09:36:50 AM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: GeeMail on September 01, 2022, 08:33:58 PM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

This is hot air smoking in the heads of some of the people.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: High Roller on September 01, 2022, 09:13:50 PM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.

Bro, don’t shoot me. I’m just an emissary. Please see the link below

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3)

Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on September 01, 2022, 09:25:14 PM
Tech wise having tried myself to deploy tech in rural Kenya..iebc n smartmatic deserve lots kudos.Incredible work done.Mindblowing even. To pull what they did in entire country is incredible .....zero downtime..zero successful hacks.. incredible...well designed well architectured.Mike Ouma deserve highest professional honors
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: GeeMail on September 01, 2022, 10:19:19 PM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.

Bro, don’t shoot me. I’m just an emissary. Please see the link below

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3)



If this is what you read it is understandable. This is speculative writing that give no technical detail of the kind someone ask for. Submissions suggest servers were accessed and changes made. Nothing like blockchain.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 02, 2022, 12:47:01 AM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.

Bro, don’t shoot me. I’m just an emissary. Please see the link below

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3)



Then it should even be easier and more reassuring to establish whether KIEMs transmitted data was interfered with or not.  But you can only do that if given access to the files on KIEMs kits.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: High Roller on September 02, 2022, 08:46:27 AM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.

Bro, don’t shoot me. I’m just an emissary. Please see the link below

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3)



Then it should even be easier and more reassuring to establish whether KIEMs transmitted data was interfered with or not.  But you can only do that if given access to the files on KIEMs kits.

It isn't as easy as you make it seem. If there is clear evidence of voter fraud, hacking or tampering with voting machines, azimio needs to hire an accredited voting system testing lab to do a forensic audit of KIEB kits to make sure there was no vote manipulation, external or backdoor access or any other hackable workaround.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: RV Pundit on September 02, 2022, 08:55:34 AM
Kenya election is manual. We are not at that stage of voting machines. There are just certain aspect where tech is used...mainly biometric identification and provisional results transmission. The rest is millions of papers...in ballots and forms...that have to be physically taken all over.
It isn't as easy as you make it seem. If there is clear evidence of voter fraud, hacking or tampering with voting machines, azimio needs to hire an accredited voting system testing lab to do a forensic audit of KIEB kits to make sure there was no vote manipulation, external or backdoor access or any other hackable workaround.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: bryan274 on September 02, 2022, 01:41:28 PM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.

Bro, don’t shoot me. I’m just an emissary. Please see the link below

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3)



This was written by Itumbi.  Filed in the bin. 

Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: bryan274 on September 02, 2022, 01:43:07 PM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.

Bro, don’t shoot me. I’m just an emissary. Please see the link below

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3)



Then it should even be easier and more reassuring to establish whether KIEMs transmitted data was interfered with or not.  But you can only do that if given access to the files on KIEMs kits.

They hacked the election and now pretending that the election was blockchain based and therefore unhackable.  One of the Learned folks even claimed it was military grade.  Jokes.
Title: Re: Raila given the server
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 02, 2022, 02:52:35 PM
I read somewhere that Kiems kit emulated blockchain that is used by Bitcoin. In that both are designed to be irreversible and once recorded, the data in any given block cannot be altered retroactively without altering all subsequent blocks and the consensus of the network.

Oh really?  I'll take that with a large dollop of salt thanks.

Bro, don’t shoot me. I’m just an emissary. Please see the link below

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/08/11/bitcoin-blockchain-inspires-kenyan-electoral-board-to-implement-a-transparent-voting-system/?sh=1280005a7eb3)



Then it should even be easier and more reassuring to establish whether KIEMs transmitted data was interfered with or not.  But you can only do that if given access to the files on KIEMs kits.

They hacked the election and now pretending that the election was blockchain based and therefore unhackable.  One of the Learned folks even claimed it was military grade.  Jokes.

Lots of yuuge words.  I also heard military grade was used.  Big bigly words.  Alongside bigly attempts to make sure they are not put to the demonstration.