Like Israel, Germany etc.
According to findings, a majority of Kenyans preferred a rotational presidency, which in their view would bring political stability in a country dogged by tribal political alliances.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/amp/opinion/article/2001413346/rotational-presidency-is-the-answer-to-our-perennial-electoral-turmoil (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/amp/opinion/article/2001413346/rotational-presidency-is-the-answer-to-our-perennial-electoral-turmoil)
May take time to alter the constitution but seems like a way forward to keep the peace for these elections.
Yes plus deeper federalism or devolution.otherwise the feeling of being excluded will continue and now Kikuyu kalenjin duopoly starting to look ridiculous. We would need regions...then rotating president for 2yrs
Yes plus deeper federalism or devolution.otherwise the feeling of being excluded will continue and now Kikuyu kalenjin duopoly starting to look ridiculous. We would need regions...then rotating president for 2yrs
Rotating presidency among the 42 tribes every 2yrs is a great idea. It will reduce this presidential obsession and over the long run save a lot of money. It is just not feasible to be spending ksh. 12 billions every 5 years on electing a president, courts and re-runs. For a country with an annual budget of Ksh. 3.3 trillion, that's not an insignificant chunk of change.
It cant be done with 45 tribes.Ruto has vowed to open his wallet, might, deep state, and campaign aggressively for either of the three guys, Deputy-elect Gachagua, Kimani Ichungwah, or Ndindi Nyoro. That is after his 10-year term and once the Mountain approves any of them, so talk about 2042 and beyond. The way I see it, others are hopeless unless they throw their hats in the ring with a great plan and campaign aggressively to vanquish Kenya Kwanza in a 50%+1 game. Anyone can run for the presidency; the question is, do that person has the wherewithal and brain capacity like Ruto to win?
45 tribes have counties and their governors - they just need more powers.
We need another layer - regions - Mt kenya, RV, Western, Nyanza, Coast, Ukambani and NFD - say 8 regions.
Then regional governor of those regions - every two years can double up as president.
Or we have the chairman of governor council - serve as the president for two years.
So first election everyone elect their governor.
The governors meet every two years - and elect one of their own to double up as president and governor of his county.
Two years non-renewable term.
So every 5yrs - we have 3 presidents - soon everyone will have had PORK.
But for now we have WSR for 10yrs.Yes plus deeper federalism or devolution.otherwise the feeling of being excluded will continue and now Kikuyu kalenjin duopoly starting to look ridiculous. We would need regions...then rotating president for 2yrs
Rotating presidency among the 42 tribes every 2yrs is a great idea. It will reduce this presidential obsession and over the long run save a lot of money. It is just not feasible to be spending ksh. 12 billions every 5 years on electing a president, courts and re-runs. For a country with an annual budget of Ksh. 3.3 trillion, that's not an insignificant chunk of change.
Ruto has vowed to open his wallet, might, deep state, and campaign aggressively for either of the three guys, Deputy-elect Gachagua, Kimani Ichungwah, or Ndindi Nyoro. That is after his 10-year term and once the Mountain approves any of them, so talk about 2042 and beyond. The way I see it, others are hopeless unless they throw their hats in the ring with a great plan and campaign aggressively to vanquish Kenya Kwanza in a 50%+1 game. Anyone can run for the presidency; the question is, do that person has the wherewithal and brain capacity like Ruto to win?
The supreme court decision will make or break the Kenya Project.
I'm pleasantly surprised and glad to see Pundit acknowledge the problem of exclusion in Kenya and suggest solutions like rotating presidency among members of a powerful council of governors. :) In the past, he would rubish such grievances as Raila losing bla bla bla, so it's good to know deep down he knows it's a real issue that needs a solution.
yes. the next president should be a coasterian or someone rom north east ..I would do this rotation ..2032 coast, 2037 Nep, 2042 ...Western, 2049 Eastern
RV has been an advocate of regionalism and specifically aligned to the previous Provinces which were actually crafted by Colonialists to protect their interests.
Ofcourse if Rift Valley becomes a Regional Government he believes there will be a shift in power over the predominantly GEMA counties of Laikipia and Nakuru. Other Counties like Kajiado, Turkana , Narok, Samburu will be taking instructions from Eldoret.
Also Its evident RV thought Ruto would perform much more better in Matusa , Coast and North Eastern . He is blamimg Rutos perfomance on UDAs GEMA support.
As a Moist he thought KADU/KANU was being rejuvinated. The problem with him is he expected the results in one day. He doesnt see Ruto has made much more progress especially with a turnout decline from 80% in 2017 to 60% in 2022 occasioned by the politics of confusion brought about by handshake.
For RV he thought by fighting BBI the so called KADU/KANU regions would back Ruto 100% Where as we fought BBI for a just Kenya most importantly to defend Kenya and stop the political deceit of Raila trying to lure Mt Kenya to vote for him in 2022 by using treachery and bringing more issues in Kenyan social fibre than solutions.
People need to understand the only way to bring Kenya together is what Ruto did. He came out clear and said no one owes him a debt . He went out there selling hustler narrative which he mixed with Bottom up narrative . He put his all effort in campaigns went to all corners of Kenya selling the message of hope. He put in hardwork in some cases his life was threatened but he still pushed .
Thats what made him President elect.
Fact is without GEMA he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Kambas 270K votes he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Kisiis he would be President
Fact is without Luhya he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Coast Votes he would be President
Fact is Without North Eastern he would be President.
So please stop the narrative of Rift Valley GEMA.
Ruto became President because of all parts of Kenya.
This is the reason we have 50% +1 provision in the Kenyan Constituion.
People should stop hyprocisy that inclusion is only when Raila is favoured by Sitting Government. Moi included Raila in his government through Cooperation, Kibaki through NARC and Grand Coalition. Uhuru through handshake , what more inclusivity do they want ? Raila to be president , then he needs to work harder and pray harder .
Uhuru included Raila and his henchman and excluded Ruto RV and GEMA after 2017 .The same people who put in power. But Raila supporters cant see that Uhuru would be really happy when in Nyanza but become very angry while in Mt Kenya while abusing them as Washenzi. Uhuru used the whole statw machinery and resources to exclude Ruto and Mt Kenya and even tried intefering with elections to exclude Ruto , RV and Mt Kenya but to Raila supporters thats fair game......
On 14th September 2003, which is 17 years ago yesterday, gunmen burst into the home of university don Dr. Christian Odhiambo-Mbai and shot him dead after a brief scuffle.
— H i s t o r yKE (@HistoryKE) September 15, 2020
Dr. Mbai was among experts involved in the drafting of Kenya’s new Constitution. pic.twitter.com/mmLjHcIUMB
I have been advocate of federalism/majimbo/devolution since the 1990s when I started politics.
In a deeply divided tribal country - with tribal nations- we need federalism or devolution or majimbo
That we agree with Moi/Ruto -
Since the 60s and early 2000s - it was only RV & Coast who supported Majimbo.
Eventually Raila and crew joined the Majimbo bandwagon in 2005 after being shafted by Kibaki in NARC.
Bomas was big win for return of Majimbo or federalism.
I understand and appreciate GEMA fears of Majimbo - I have written extensively on this - as early as 2005 huko.
Their fears were mostly unfounded as you can see in the devolution - they are now very happy with it.
The late Dr Mbai genius was to deal with GEMA fears of Majimbo by calling it devolution.
Gema supremacist like you killed him for that. We NEED HUGE MONUMENT OF DR MBAI IN BOMAS OF KENYA.
Of course in 2010 eventually we resorted to counties - district (GEMA been on it since 1950s)
I am okay with counties - 47 ideal for our 45 tribes
If we can add more money and power - to counties - I am totally for it.
As for regions - I think they have some utility - as you can see counties in Mt kenya have tried to form blocs - in coast - blocs - name it.
The regions were created by kenyans.
There are of course problems say in how to deal with Nakuru? or South Rift (Maasai-Kipsigis) - that was main reason it was rejected in Naivasha.
The minority in those regions - feel they will be excluded - example Nakuru in Central RV, Narok in South RV, say Turkana in North RV? or say Embus in Mt Kenya.
Otherwise I dont hate GEMA - I wouldnt have married a GEMA woman.
I hate fools like you.
I love kenya - and I want it to progress.RV has been an advocate of regionalism and specifically aligned to the previous Provinces which were actually crafted by Colonialists to protect their interests.
Ofcourse if Rift Valley becomes a Regional Government he believes there will be a shift in power over the predominantly GEMA counties of Laikipia and Nakuru. Other Counties like Kajiado, Turkana , Narok, Samburu will be taking instructions from Eldoret.
Also Its evident RV thought Ruto would perform much more better in Matusa , Coast and North Eastern . He is blamimg Rutos perfomance on UDAs GEMA support.
As a Moist he thought KADU/KANU was being rejuvinated. The problem with him is he expected the results in one day. He doesnt see Ruto has made much more progress especially with a turnout decline from 80% in 2017 to 60% in 2022 occasioned by the politics of confusion brought about by handshake.
For RV he thought by fighting BBI the so called KADU/KANU regions would back Ruto 100% Where as we fought BBI for a just Kenya most importantly to defend Kenya and stop the political deceit of Raila trying to lure Mt Kenya to vote for him in 2022 by using treachery and bringing more issues in Kenyan social fibre than solutions.
People need to understand the only way to bring Kenya together is what Ruto did. He came out clear and said no one owes him a debt . He went out there selling hustler narrative which he mixed with Bottom up narrative . He put his all effort in campaigns went to all corners of Kenya selling the message of hope. He put in hardwork in some cases his life was threatened but he still pushed .
Thats what made him President elect.
Fact is without GEMA he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Kambas 270K votes he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Kisiis he would be President
Fact is without Luhya he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Coast Votes he would be President
Fact is Without North Eastern he would be President.
So please stop the narrative of Rift Valley GEMA.
Ruto became President because of all parts of Kenya.
This is the reason we have 50% +1 provision in the Kenyan Constituion.
People should stop hyprocisy that inclusion is only when Raila is favoured by Sitting Government. Moi included Raila in his government through Cooperation, Kibaki through NARC and Grand Coalition. Uhuru through handshake , what more inclusivity do they want ? Raila to be president , then he needs to work harder and pray harder .
Uhuru included Raila and his henchman and excluded Ruto RV and GEMA after 2017 .The same people who put in power. But Raila supporters cant see that Uhuru would be really happy when in Nyanza but become very angry while in Mt Kenya while abusing them as Washenzi. Uhuru used the whole statw machinery and resources to exclude Ruto and Mt Kenya and even tried intefering with elections to exclude Ruto , RV and Mt Kenya but to Raila supporters thats fair game......
I don't mind regions in three levels devolution but I am perfectly okay with counties as long as we progressively devolve more power and resources to them as they build capacity.The boundary delimitation is always going to be problematic. For now many strong second tier leaders feal counties are too small for them and they cause lots of tribal animosity in Nairobi as they complain.maybe if kalonzo was ukambani regional governor the kambas would feel a little happy. Again you need to consider people beyond your own GEMA. We want everyone to be happy.Two party system is great if eventually there is Ghana or US type exchange of power.The reality in Kenya the gema kalenjin alliance likely to dominate for another 20yrs fueling the negative feelings by many tribes which isn't good for Kenya
When you say Kenyans made Provinces and they decided to create a Big Province Rift Valley and scatter Mt Kenya into 3 provinces are you being sincere. You take us back to Pre Independence politics of KANU vs KADU.
What would be your take if Meru, Embu ,Tharaka Nithi , Nakuru , Laikipia ,Kajiado and Narok were enjoined and formed a Region together with Central Kenya. Hope you get the gist of the point.
When I say you are a Railast and have different ideals with Ruto this what I mean.
In Naivasha Talks Ruto was against regionalism where as ODM was for it. Together with Uhuru and Kalonzo they prevailed and we went to 47 Counties.
Again Regionalism is not solution or a Key to Kenyan Nation. This is but a step to creating Tribal Chiefdoms what actually ails Kenya.
When we say Ruto is visionary this is exactly what we mean . KANU or Raila politics of summit, Pentagon should come to an end.
2022 politics showed its possible. GEMA didnt vote Ruto because of Rigathi nor Did Kambas vote Raila because of Kalonzo. Kalonzo had to sneak back to Raila because they had decided it was Raila , GEMA politicians had to abandon Uhuru for Ruto because the ground had decided its Ruto.
As Dear Mami puts it. Its the effect of the 2010 constituion which now is framing Kenyan democracy. Kenyan politics is slowly turning in 2 party democracy and to win elections you have to have support in all corners of Kenya and win by 50% +1 .I have been advocate of federalism/majimbo/devolution since the 1990s when I started politics.
In a deeply divided tribal country - with tribal nations- we need federalism or devolution or majimbo
That we agree with Moi/Ruto -
Since the 60s and early 2000s - it was only RV & Coast who supported Majimbo.
Eventually Raila and crew joined the Majimbo bandwagon in 2005 after being shafted by Kibaki in NARC.
Bomas was big win for return of Majimbo or federalism.
I understand and appreciate GEMA fears of Majimbo - I have written extensively on this - as early as 2005 huko.
Their fears were mostly unfounded as you can see in the devolution - they are now very happy with it.
The late Dr Mbai genius was to deal with GEMA fears of Majimbo by calling it devolution.
Gema supremacist like you killed him for that. We NEED HUGE MONUMENT OF DR MBAI IN BOMAS OF KENYA.
Of course in 2010 eventually we resorted to counties - district (GEMA been on it since 1950s)
I am okay with counties - 47 ideal for our 45 tribes
If we can add more money and power - to counties - I am totally for it.
As for regions - I think they have some utility - as you can see counties in Mt kenya have tried to form blocs - in coast - blocs - name it.
The regions were created by kenyans.
There are of course problems say in how to deal with Nakuru? or South Rift (Maasai-Kipsigis) - that was main reason it was rejected in Naivasha.
The minority in those regions - feel they will be excluded - example Nakuru in Central RV, Narok in South RV, say Turkana in North RV? or say Embus in Mt Kenya.
Otherwise I dont hate GEMA - I wouldnt have married a GEMA woman.
I hate fools like you.
I love kenya - and I want it to progress.RV has been an advocate of regionalism and specifically aligned to the previous Provinces which were actually crafted by Colonialists to protect their interests.
Ofcourse if Rift Valley becomes a Regional Government he believes there will be a shift in power over the predominantly GEMA counties of Laikipia and Nakuru. Other Counties like Kajiado, Turkana , Narok, Samburu will be taking instructions from Eldoret.
Also Its evident RV thought Ruto would perform much more better in Matusa , Coast and North Eastern . He is blamimg Rutos perfomance on UDAs GEMA support.
As a Moist he thought KADU/KANU was being rejuvinated. The problem with him is he expected the results in one day. He doesnt see Ruto has made much more progress especially with a turnout decline from 80% in 2017 to 60% in 2022 occasioned by the politics of confusion brought about by handshake.
For RV he thought by fighting BBI the so called KADU/KANU regions would back Ruto 100% Where as we fought BBI for a just Kenya most importantly to defend Kenya and stop the political deceit of Raila trying to lure Mt Kenya to vote for him in 2022 by using treachery and bringing more issues in Kenyan social fibre than solutions.
People need to understand the only way to bring Kenya together is what Ruto did. He came out clear and said no one owes him a debt . He went out there selling hustler narrative which he mixed with Bottom up narrative . He put his all effort in campaigns went to all corners of Kenya selling the message of hope. He put in hardwork in some cases his life was threatened but he still pushed .
Thats what made him President elect.
Fact is without GEMA he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Kambas 270K votes he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Kisiis he would be President
Fact is without Luhya he wouldnt be President
Fact is without Coast Votes he would be President
Fact is Without North Eastern he would be President.
So please stop the narrative of Rift Valley GEMA.
Ruto became President because of all parts of Kenya.
This is the reason we have 50% +1 provision in the Kenyan Constituion.
People should stop hyprocisy that inclusion is only when Raila is favoured by Sitting Government. Moi included Raila in his government through Cooperation, Kibaki through NARC and Grand Coalition. Uhuru through handshake , what more inclusivity do they want ? Raila to be president , then he needs to work harder and pray harder .
Uhuru included Raila and his henchman and excluded Ruto RV and GEMA after 2017 .The same people who put in power. But Raila supporters cant see that Uhuru would be really happy when in Nyanza but become very angry while in Mt Kenya while abusing them as Washenzi. Uhuru used the whole statw machinery and resources to exclude Ruto and Mt Kenya and even tried intefering with elections to exclude Ruto , RV and Mt Kenya but to Raila supporters thats fair game......