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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: gout on August 29, 2022, 01:08:10 PM
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Now that the compromised media is mute. Kenyans are calling the coup plotters by name on the ICC page.
Best whistle blowing!
https://www.facebook.com/InternationalCriminalCourt
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Social media has made mainstream very lame.Ufool thought he had advantage.
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Deep state B wiretapping? What are they saying? Some parts in mothertongue. I heard nothing illegal.
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https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=13835.0
Talk of ICC. Inciting to shoot dead a serving president of a country.
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Now that the compromised media is mute. Kenyans are calling the coup plotters by name on the ICC page.
Best whistle blowing!
https://www.facebook.com/InternationalCriminalCourt
Kenyans think everything bad a govt does is ICC business. But International Law is actually a very pro-soverignty system with very few exceptions. They'll take an interest if the worst happens and, sorry to put it this way, ENOUGH people die.
But I remember a strong campaign by the Jubilee govt to take us out of the Rome Statute sometime back, no? Did we ever re-accede to it? I don't think so. So even if the worst happens and many people die, we may still find it difficult to get them back involved. Just saying.
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Now that the compromised media is mute. Kenyans are calling the coup plotters by name on the ICC page.
Best whistle blowing!
https://www.facebook.com/InternationalCriminalCourt (https://www.facebook.com/InternationalCriminalCourt)
Kenyans think everything bad a govt does is ICC business. But International Law is actually a very pro-soverignty system with very few exceptions. They'll take an interest if the worst happens and, sorry to put it this way, ENOUGH people die. But I remember Jubilee govt taking us out of the Rome Statute sometime back, no? Did we ever re-accede to it? I don't think so. So even if the worst happens and many people die, we may still find it difficult to get them back involved. Just saying.
Yep. They rarely care about violent put downs of demos or coups for instance. As long you play your dirty politics "clean" :D, ICC won't touch you with a ten foot pole.
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We never got out of ICC. I think good thing ICC prosecutor Khan knows Kenya inside out now. So if violence was to start ICC would step in. The issue is would they do it on their own? Or would they continue with 2010 situation - kenya cases are still active.
Kenyans think everything bad a govt does is ICC business. But International Law is actually a very pro-soverignty system with very few exceptions. They'll take an interest if the worst happens and, sorry to put it this way, ENOUGH people die.
But I remember a strong campaign by the Jubilee govt to take us out of the Rome Statute sometime back, no? Did we ever re-accede to it? I don't think so. So even if the worst happens and many people die, we may still find it difficult to get them back involved. Just saying.
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Kenya still in ICC. Thats what restrains violent mob and shoot them dead gangs. Could have been worse had Kenya with drawn.
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Yep. They rarely care about violent put downs of demos or coups for instance. As long you play your dirty politics "clean" :D, ICC won't touch you with a ten foot pole.
100%. Most skirmishes/riots/uprisings that happen in the world don't even tickle their radar. They deal with REALLY bad cases.
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We never got out of ICC. I think good thing ICC prosecutor Khan knows Kenya inside out now. So if violence was to start ICC would step in. The issue is would they do it on their own? Or would they continue with 2010 situation - kenya cases are still active.
Even if they vaguely connected them to the old cases, the elements of whichever crime they might try would need to be proved vis-a-vis the 'newer' violence. And if they were connected, Khan would stay out of it and let someone else handle them. Even more so if the story involves at least two of the same characters (Uhuru/Ruto). But things really would need to be really bad. Remember, they didn't bother in 2017 when Matiangi cops raped people in Kisumu.
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It really depends on U.N. through U.N.S.C. and Prosecutors office.
Back in 2008 Kenyas case was a high profile case. U.N. had to get a meidator through Koffi Anan. Koffis vision was for an internal court mechanism and if it fails then I.C.C.
Ocampo wanted to leave a legacy with Kenyas case he expideted it and in the process got the wrong guys with fake evidence .
Current prosecutor Khan having participated in Kenyan former cases might as well decided to bring into life new cases as soon as possible.
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If any violence occur in kenya - it will be bad - because kalenjin would be involved - so that is given. ICC will come in if US and EU wants. Those are the main owners of the court. Khan will come in if Ruto calls him to come.
We never got out of ICC. I think good thing ICC prosecutor Khan knows Kenya inside out now. So if violence was to start ICC would step in. The issue is would they do it on their own? Or would they continue with 2010 situation - kenya cases are still active.
Even if they vaguely connected them to the old cases, the elements of whichever crime they might try would need to be proved vis-a-vis the 'newer' violence. And if they were connected, Khan would stay out of it and let someone else handle them. Even more so if the story involves at least two of the same characters (Uhuru/Ruto). But things really would need to be really bad. Remember, they didn't bother in 2017 when Matiangi cops raped people in Kisumu.