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Title: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: audacityofhope on August 26, 2022, 10:38:16 PM
IEBC Commissioner Justus Nyang'aya says in his petition response that a foreigner, 3 IEBC staff members intercepted forms 34A on portal and changed results.

On oath the Foreigner is named as: GUINDO OMOR (Logs indicating when Omor was accessing system also in the Affidavit).
3 IEBC Staff members named as:  Abdidahir Maalim, Moses Sunkuli, Gedion Balang

Affidavit of Respondent attached below....

Too bad the max uploadable on Nipate.net is 10Mb. Affidavit is 10.9Mb
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 26, 2022, 10:43:23 PM
Where is the evidence from this Raila commissioner
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: audacityofhope on August 26, 2022, 10:57:47 PM
Where is the evidence from this Raila commissioner
Learn to read what others post. I have only posted pg 7 of what is a 27 pages affidavit. The file with its evidence is 10.9MB but you here on Veritas blog allow only 10MB. So you will have to find it from somewhere else. Maybe some Google docs location ....

Commissioner Justus Nyang'aya was supposed to be Commissioner to oversee ICT. Chebukati relegated him to protocol matters only.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RMaddow on August 26, 2022, 11:28:18 PM
It doesn't matter who becomes the president but let justice prevail.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 12:24:48 AM
He is committing treason for Raila - and like Ochuka group will be hanged alone. He was in Bomas verifying results until the last minute - when it became obvious Ruto won - then he has gone ahead to cook all fake stories he can get.

Once Ruto is sworn in - he will be looking for nearest exit to exile.

Learn to read what others post. I have only posted pg 7 of what is a 27 pages affidavit. The file with its evidence is 10.9MB but you here on Veritas blog allow only 10MB. So you will have to find it from somewhere else. Maybe some Google docs location ....

Commissioner Justus Nyang'aya was supposed to be Commissioner to oversee ICT. Chebukati relegated him to protocol matters only.

Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 12:25:47 AM
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 12:27:02 AM
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: bryan274 on August 27, 2022, 02:20:45 PM
That's because he didn't want his tricks to be seen by others.  Chebukati and gang are going to Kodiaga. 


Where is the evidence from this Raila commissioner
Learn to read what others post. I have only posted pg 7 of what is a 27 pages affidavit. The file with its evidence is 10.9MB but you here on Veritas blog allow only 10MB. So you will have to find it from somewhere else. Maybe some Google docs location ....

Commissioner Justus Nyang'aya was supposed to be Commissioner to oversee ICT. Chebukati relegated him to protocol matters only.

Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 02:31:02 PM
That's because he didn't want his tricks to be seen by others.  Chebukati and gang are going to Kodiaga. 


Where is the evidence from this Raila commissioner
Learn to read what others post. I have only posted pg 7 of what is a 27 pages affidavit. The file with its evidence is 10.9MB but you here on Veritas blog allow only 10MB. So you will have to find it from somewhere else. Maybe some Google docs location ....

Commissioner Justus Nyang'aya was supposed to be Commissioner to oversee ICT. Chebukati relegated him to protocol matters only.

The election were held n finalize at polling station...that is where debate starts and ends.. show us how your votes in End of base were stolen..the rest are lame excuse by folks who participated in the process to the very last minute and are now blaming Chebukati for things done in March.Chebukati job as presidential RO was simple... receive original form 34As and form 34Bs and add them up.If there are some that are fraudulent...let's get their names..from Azimio petition it's just miguna type of scatter gun approach.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 02:32:26 PM
What I hope chebukati did was to record these commissioner asking for the results to be moderated...so Raila can get a re run.That is smoking gun Chebukati needs
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: patel on August 27, 2022, 02:41:07 PM
It's kind rich coming from Assmio bunch knowing their whole game plan was built on deep state/ system delivering victory for them. It's game over Assmio lost fair and square. The whole presidential tally is built on form 34A straight from polling Station. Shows the forms that don't tally with your copy...chebukati all he was doing is verifying hard copy matches with the copy on the portal then grade 2 math..iyo ingine ni upuzi.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
It's kind rich coming from Assmio bunch knowing their whole game plan was built on deep state/ system delivering victory for them. It's game over Assmio lost fair and square. The whole presidential tally is built on form 34A straight from polling Station. Shows the forms that don't tally with your copy...chebukati all he was doing is verifying hard copy matches with the copy on the portal then grade 2 math..iyo ingine ni upuzi.
Exactly.If Supreme court entertain dubious arguments that deviate from verifying the authentic form 34As and then simply adding up then we can as well go back to have military coups and let strongest run Kenya for 100 yrs.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Dear Mami on August 27, 2022, 03:17:41 PM
How are they (SCORK) supposed to do that authentication when there are cross-accusations of forgeries in the petitions, some even coming from within the IEBC itself? They need to look at the server first of all. If there was no manipulation, the case ends very quickly. The original KIEMS-sent docs are the best we can do in terms of checking, short of retrieving the 34As sealed in ballot boxes.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 27, 2022, 03:30:37 PM
This goes to show the biggest Misjustice ever done in Kenya was anuling 2017 elections on premisis of transmision of results.
Will the same court make the same mistake. We will see...
Having said that Azimio supporters should learn one thing. Delf decit is the worst kind drumming support.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 04:19:14 PM
How are they (SCORK) supposed to do that authentication when there are cross-accusations of forgeries in the petitions, some even coming from within the IEBC itself? They need to look at the server first of all. If there was no manipulation, the case ends very quickly. The original KIEMS-sent docs are the best we can do in terms of checking, short of retrieving the 34As sealed in ballot boxes.
our election is manual...servers are early warning systems..real deal is original forms...if Azimio had no agents..they can't be helped
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: patel on August 27, 2022, 04:25:44 PM
What servers? They might as well summon 46000 polling officers to authentic form 34A  or break down to constituency level more manageable for 291 returning officers to verify and authenticate their numbers. Which is what was being done at Bomas...or just focus on 27 constituency Joho mistress is claiming she was not consulted......kama haiko haiko. All Assmio cry babies need to do is post their form 34A that does not match with what is posted on the portal...
How are they (SCORK) supposed to do that authentication when there are cross-accusations of forgeries in the petitions, some even coming from within the IEBC itself? They need to look at the server first of all. If there was no manipulation, the case ends very quickly. The original KIEMS-sent docs are the best we can do in terms of checking, short of retrieving the 34As sealed in ballot boxes.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Dear Mami on August 27, 2022, 06:35:17 PM
You guys who pupport to support the declaration and its cleanness on one hand then resist the simplest route to killing the legal challenge on the other, mnanishangaza sana. :D The IEBC servers are in Chebukati control. If I was his advisor, I'd tell him to pre-empt everything by volunteering the systems logs. Without them, Azimio case vaporizes. Unless you also doubt what is in them, I don't understand the resistance.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 06:43:09 PM
You guys who pupport to support the declaration and its cleanness on one hand then resist the simplest route to killing the legal challenge on the other, mnanishangaza sana. :D The IEBC servers are in Chebukati control. If I was his advisor, I'd tell him to pre-empt everything by volunteering the systems logs. Without them, Azimio case vaporizes. Unless you also doubt what is in them, I don't understand the resistance.
what nexus btw server and original forms ...server has been open...you can see the forms..logs unless you're IT expert cannot help you.If I can hack a system I can also hack the logs.Logs are just text files someone can edit.A Luo Michael is head of ICT at IEBC let him fish the logs and file his affidavit
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: kwesta on August 27, 2022, 06:53:15 PM
You guys who pupport to support the declaration and its cleanness on one hand then resist the simplest route to killing the legal challenge on the other, mnanishangaza sana. :D The IEBC servers are in Chebukati control. If I was his advisor, I'd tell him to pre-empt everything by volunteering the systems logs. Without them, Azimio case vaporizes. Unless you also doubt what is in them, I don't understand the resistance.
what nexus btw server and original forms ...server has been open...you can see the forms..logs unless you're IT expert cannot help you.If I can hack a system I can also hack the logs.Logs are just text files someone can edit.A Luo Michael is head of ICT at IEBC let him fish the logs and file his affidavit

System logs for what.

What Azimio needs to bring are the original copies they got from the polling station and proof that they differ from what is in the public portal. It's really no brainer.
18 days after the elections, we are yet to see one physical form that differs from what is in the portal.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: patel on August 27, 2022, 06:54:04 PM
Let's try again...voting is manual right you get a ballot paper, tick whoever you want then drop it in a box all manual right. Then after voting is done they take out paper in box, manual..count the ballot manual...fill form 34A manually. Hand each agent a copy, one copy sealed with the box  and returning officer keeps one copy to deliver to constituency tallying spot. Other than kiems kit rest is manual. 

Assuming what you are saying is true...who would chebukati hand those things to? After every election there is usually an audit
You guys who pupport to support the declaration and its cleanness on one hand then resist the simplest route to killing the legal challenge on the other, mnanishangaza sana. :D The IEBC servers are in Chebukati control. If I was his advisor, I'd tell him to pre-empt everything by volunteering the systems logs. Without them, Azimio case vaporizes. Unless you also doubt what is in them, I don't understand the resistance.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: kwesta on August 27, 2022, 06:55:27 PM
This goes to show the biggest Misjustice ever done in Kenya was anuling 2017 elections on premisis of transmision of results.
Will the same court make the same mistake. We will see...
Having said that Azimio supporters should learn one thing. Delf decit is the worst kind drumming support.
The Onus lays on the accusers of hacking to prove it.
Provide one original form that differs from what is in the server.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 06:56:16 PM
You guys who pupport to support the declaration and its cleanness on one hand then resist the simplest route to killing the legal challenge on the other, mnanishangaza sana. :D The IEBC servers are in Chebukati control. If I was his advisor, I'd tell him to pre-empt everything by volunteering the systems logs. Without them, Azimio case vaporizes. Unless you also doubt what is in them, I don't understand the resistance.
what nexus btw server and original forms ...server has been open...you can see the forms..logs unless you're IT expert cannot help you.If I can hack a system I can also hack the logs.Logs are just text files someone can edit.A Luo Michael is head of ICT at IEBC let him fish the logs and file his affidavit

System logs for what.

What Azimio needs to bring are the original copies they got from the polling station and proof that they differ from what is in the public portal. It's really no brainer.
18 days after the elections, we are yet to see one physical form that differs from what is in the portal.
it's lame excuse like we heard last five years that their win is in the server.. Kibaki won in 2002..there was no server..got beaten in 2005 no server.. rigged in 2007..it was obvious... because what was announced in const n kicc was different..example molo..20k added in kicc.Elections were held in polling station.The contestation should be simple...what was announced in polling station and what chebukati announced...bring evidence they differ
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Dear Mami on August 27, 2022, 07:01:54 PM
You guys who pupport to support the declaration and its cleanness on one hand then resist the simplest route to killing the legal challenge on the other, mnanishangaza sana. :D The IEBC servers are in Chebukati control. If I was his advisor, I'd tell him to pre-empt everything by volunteering the systems logs. Without them, Azimio case vaporizes. Unless you also doubt what is in them, I don't understand the resistance.
what nexus btw server and original forms ...server has been open...you can see the forms..logs unless you're IT expert cannot help you.If I can hack a system I can also hack the logs.Logs are just text files someone can edit.A Luo Michael is head of ICT at IEBC let him fish the logs and file his affidavit

Yes, I don't know IT so I'm not sure of the difference btw server/logs etc but I just mean audits of the activities that have taken place in the IEBC ICT system that would not be available to the public. For example: Who has accessed it? When? What did they do on it? Etc. Particularly regarding the KIEMS kit and the Forms.

Now the nexus I see is this: this step of publishing results on elections night, immediately after counting, is intended to assure the public that the physical forms that arrive at Bomas muuuuch later aren't tampered with/replaced enroute (or at Bomas) like in Kivuitu days. Azimio's whole case, as I understood it, is basically that nefarious characters published fake results and that there's no way to be sure that some of the physical forms Chebukati used weren't Kivuitued. But the easiest way to establish that the results on the portal are the same ones that were published on election night is to get into those IEBC systems that have been alleged to have been messed with. If I was Chebukati and knew these were fairy tales, I'd volunteer them. Because if there's nothing like people replacing forms sent from KIEMS kits, the whole of it immediately collapses.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Dear Mami on August 27, 2022, 07:09:07 PM
This goes to show the biggest Misjustice ever done in Kenya was anuling 2017 elections on premisis of transmision of results.
Will the same court make the same mistake. We will see...
Having said that Azimio supporters should learn one thing. Delf decit is the worst kind drumming support.
The Onus lays on the accusers of hacking to prove it.
Provide one original form that differs from what is in the server.

A whole election has already been annulled largely based on IEBC refusing to avail this info and you people claiming to be pro-Ruto are arguing that the same shouldn't be provided again, in an election where this time IEBC people are themselves claiming tamparing with this online results. Ajabu. Let me peace out and wait for SCORK. They've been handed a very messy problem from several angles and I feel for them. I'm not sure what I'd do in their place and I bet they're not sleeping.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 07:09:33 PM
Ok who will audit the logs? IEBC are referees? Who will do a fair job to audit the systems and what would such audit says..you see that taking election to become technical problem... election are simple...and facts should be simple..you want to make it a IT mumbo jumbo because we all know Azimio have no evidence..they had no agents.Raila has run five times.. surely he knows the importance of agents.You guys want to make election complicated for nothing.. including even for judges and lawyers..eti computer generated , Russian, algorithm... simple get agents collect forms.. record audio n video..that is evidence.Observers come in thousands.. Raila cannot get agents.Rigging provisional results and yet there is paper trail is crazy like most Azimio folks are...get agents next time to record everything..give them body cams
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Dear Mami on August 27, 2022, 07:16:30 PM
Ok who will audit the logs? IEBC are referees? Who will do a fair job to audit the systems and what would such audit says..you see that taking election to become technical problem... election are simple...and facts should be simple..you want to make it a IT mumbo jumbo because we all know Azimio have no evidence..they had no agents.Raila has run five times.. surely he knows the importance of agents.You guys want to make election complicated for nothing.. including even for judges and lawyers..eti computer generated , Russian, algorithm... simple get agents collect forms.. record audio n video..that is evidence.Observers come in thousands.. Raila cannot get agents.

I'm not the one who has written those petitions  :D so it's not me 'making it IT mumbo jumbo': The allegation of tampering with those online results is literally the main suit. In addition, there's literal precedent annulling an election based on a refusal to avail the info by IEBC, so y'all suit yourselves. But if the Court orders those logs be accessed, I hope Chebukati doesn't refuse this time. If I were in his team, I'd advise him to long volunteer them.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
Ok who will audit the logs? IEBC are referees? Who will do a fair job to audit the systems and what would such audit says..you see that taking election to become technical problem... election are simple...and facts should be simple..you want to make it a IT mumbo jumbo because we all know Azimio have no evidence..they had no agents.Raila has run five times.. surely he knows the importance of agents.You guys want to make election complicated for nothing.. including even for judges and lawyers..eti computer generated , Russian, algorithm... simple get agents collect forms.. record audio n video..that is evidence.Observers come in thousands.. Raila cannot get agents.

I'm not the one who has written those petitions  :D so it's not me 'making it IT mumbo jumbo': The allegation of tampering with those online results is literally the main suit. In addition, there's literal precedent annulling an election based on a refusal to avail the info by IEBC, so y'all suit yourselves. But if the Court orders those logs be accessed, I hope Chebukati doesn't refuse this time. If I were in his team, I'd advise him to long volunteer them.
What do you imagine a server will contain? iebc should of course open their systems but court last time didn't give them sufficient time...now I am sure they are going to be ready.IEBC never refused..time was a problem.For now chebukati should damp that server to supreme court...as long as court will appoint an IT auditor with agents and observers..I don't see it as problem per see..I see a bigger problem in making our election a reserve for IT gurus... while we have paper trail including ballots boxes n papers.The biggest computer now is own phone..take pictures of a polling station..go to portal..and compare... Azimio can ask millions of their supporters n prov administration to help them
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Dear Mami on August 27, 2022, 07:27:42 PM
What do you imagine a server will contain? iebc should of course open their systems but court last time didn't give them sufficient time...now I am sure they are going to be ready.IEBC never refused..time was a problem.For now chebukati should damp that server to supreme court...as long as court will appoint an IT auditor with agents and observers..I don't see it as problem per see..I see a bigger problem in making our election a reserve for IT gurus... while we have paper trail including ballots boxes n papers

We are on the same page then! Because this is 90% of Azimio's suit and is very easy to dispose of. Now, about what I imagine will be found on them, I don't! I'm very curious to see precisely because of the allegations. If there was no messing with those forms, I'm also not keen on entering a crisis based on nothing. Let Kenyans lie in the beds they make. If there's messing with the forms found, then I'd fear for this country because I can't see a positive outcome in the current circumstances.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 07:28:07 PM
Of course Azimio request is for server to be audited by Kinoti.. which is a joke.Instead of investigating Musyoka homicide he is busy with servers when they are biased and have limited IT skills.If server is to be opened..court will need to get reputable firm with all parties getting copies of system and all watching
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: Dear Mami on August 27, 2022, 07:30:16 PM
Of course Azimio request is for server to be audited by Kinoti.. which is a joke.Instead of investigating Musyoka homicide he is busy with servers when they are biased and have limited IT skills.If server is to be opened..court will need to get reputable firm with all parties getting copies of system and all watching

By Kinoti? No it's not. Do you mean in the prayers? There's no way the Court can exclude IEBC and Ruto from any audit it orders.
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: RV Pundit on August 27, 2022, 07:31:59 PM
What do you imagine a server will contain? iebc should of course open their systems but court last time didn't give them sufficient time...now I am sure they are going to be ready.IEBC never refused..time was a problem.For now chebukati should damp that server to supreme court...as long as court will appoint an IT auditor with agents and observers..I don't see it as problem per see..I see a bigger problem in making our election a reserve for IT gurus... while we have paper trail including ballots boxes n papers

We are on the same page then! Because this is 90% of Azimio's suit and is very easy to dispose of. Now, about what I imagine will be found on them, I don't! I'm very curious to see precisely because of the allegations. If there was no messing with those forms, I'm also not keen on entering a crisis based on nothing. Let Kenyans lie in the beds they make. If there's messing with the forms found, then I'd fear for this country because I can't see a positive outcome in the current circumstances.
you don't need a server to proof forms were edited..you need copies of original and pictures of original... chebukati only used the original.. server was early warning systems to avoid doctoring..but we have turned it 360 to claim it used to rig.Who does that..send 42,000 forms overnight then proceed with logistics of altering them before ROS get them..crazy nonsense.42,000 came in so we can avoid alterations .This was put by likes of Chirchir in 2010 to avoid Kibaki 2007 rigging..where results disappear as they are cooked...now we are saying they are cooked then shared then someone superhuman goes on to forge the original.Crazy fools.Chirchir as interim iebc introduced the  systems to stop rigging.... because folks who wants to doctor forms need time to intercept the forms after polling station.We already removed the digital one that was super fast...next we will remove these scanned ones.. because we are s country with Raila fools making half the country. You want to doctor results...you delay them from anyone knowing the results...you want to end rigging... send them immediately to everyone so any changes even for a fool like Raila without agents...can say the digital was this why did it change
Title: Re: Commissioners are the insiders that will cook 2nd Respodent's goose
Post by: kwesta on August 27, 2022, 07:51:59 PM
Yes. Those physical forms will disappear, once litigious Raila is out of the scene.

It should be easy for agents to certify results at ground level. Form 34A is serialised with security features. Future technology should be able to pick up the forms. Verification need not have physical form.
These elections should be over by morning, with the winner called.
If anyone one objects then the ballot boxes should be open.
But that will need building institutions and having people with unquestionable integrity in IEBC.
Electoral crimes should be punished so severely that for one to accept a job at IEBC they will have to think twice.