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Title: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on August 06, 2022, 08:37:31 PM
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DAP-K Busia gubernatorial candidate Moses Mulomi bows out of the race expressing frustrations from the party headquarters and party patron CS Eugene Wamalwa.

Speaking in Butula sub-county, the outgoing Deputy Governor made these revelations after extensive consultations with the Butula elders who declared their support for ANC gubernatorial candidate Sakwa Bunyasi.

“After consultations with the elders from Marachi, community, I have decided to withdraw my candidature in the gubernatorial race,” said Mulomi.

Addressing members of the press in his Butula backyard, the disgruntled Mulomi said his support for the Azimio presidential candidate remains unwavering but endorsed the council of elders’ decision to back Bunyasi just 4days to general elections.
Elders want to get rid of anything associated with ODM/AZIMIO in the region!
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 08:45:39 PM
Yes Mariachi are majority and Bunyasi come from there.ODM dude is a Samia..which small with banyalas..Iteso are second largest and otouma 10yrs fight with Ojamoong has not endeared him.I think Bunyasi might win this
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 08:51:08 PM
😂😂😂😂😂😂wow, you guys.... still consoling each other with wish-list fables at this late hour??

Otuoma will carry this with over 70% of votes. ODM isn’t threatened by any measure whatsoever.

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DAP-K Busia gubernatorial candidate Moses Mulomi bows out of the race expressing frustrations from the party headquarters and party patron CS Eugene Wamalwa.

Speaking in Butula sub-county, the outgoing Deputy Governor made these revelations after extensive consultations with the Butula elders who declared their support for ANC gubernatorial candidate Sakwa Bunyasi.

“After consultations with the elders from Marachi, community, I have decided to withdraw my candidature in the gubernatorial race,” said Mulomi.

Addressing members of the press in his Butula backyard, the disgruntled Mulomi said his support for the Azimio presidential candidate remains unwavering but endorsed the council of elders’ decision to back Bunyasi just 4days to general elections.
Elders want to get rid of anything associated with ODM/AZIMIO in the region!
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 09:04:37 PM
Maybe Raila will get more PORK votes but lose the governor.

😂😂😂😂😂😂wow, you guys.... still consoling each other with wish-list fables at this late hour??

Otuoma will carry this with over 70% of votes. ODM isn’t threatened by any measure whatsoever.

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DAP-K Busia gubernatorial candidate Moses Mulomi bows out of the race expressing frustrations from the party headquarters and party patron CS Eugene Wamalwa.

Speaking in Butula sub-county, the outgoing Deputy Governor made these revelations after extensive consultations with the Butula elders who declared their support for ANC gubernatorial candidate Sakwa Bunyasi.

“After consultations with the elders from Marachi, community, I have decided to withdraw my candidature in the gubernatorial race,” said Mulomi.

Addressing members of the press in his Butula backyard, the disgruntled Mulomi said his support for the Azimio presidential candidate remains unwavering but endorsed the council of elders’ decision to back Bunyasi just 4days to general elections.
Elders want to get rid of anything associated with ODM/AZIMIO in the region!
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 09:09:42 PM
Look at tribal maths - Bunyasi can get - Nambale,Butula,Teso North and Teso South  - while Otouma will lead in Funyula,Budalangi & Matayos - North versus South kind of situation.

ODM losing the senator to Omtata definitely
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 09:21:55 PM
Most (All) of the voters bordering Siaya will vote Otuoma/ODM; then Otuoma battles with Bunyasi for the rest of the Luhya vote. Meantime, he gets the majority of the Teso votes with running mate and other Teso luminaries aligned to him. His battle with Ojamong is simply that Ojamong has been too corrupt and he (Otuoma) has been at his neck over this.

As for Omtata, he is Azimio affiliated. If he gets it, he really fully deserves it.

Look at tribal maths - Bunyasi can get - Nambale,Butula,Teso North and Teso South  - while Otouma will lead in Funyula,Budalangi & Matayos - North versus South kind of situation.

ODM losing the senator to Omtata definitely
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 09:53:33 PM
You're a fake luhya who dont even know Busia. Busia is Marachi, Samia, Banyala and Bhakayo - then Iteso (Non Luhyas). Now the problem I am reading is that in his 10yrs battle with Ojaamong - Otuoma might have said some nasty things regarding Iteso people. That will be hard for them to forgive.

Now that Marachi have combined effort - with DAPK backing Bunyasi - I think ODM just lost another seat. ODM could end up with very few governors...like 7 now.

Most (All) of the voters bordering Siaya will vote Otuoma/ODM; then Otuoma battles with Bunyasi for the rest of the Luhya vote. Meantime, he gets the majority of the Teso votes with running mate and other Teso luminaries aligned to him. His battle with Ojamong is simply that Ojamong has been too corrupt and he (Otuoma) has been at his neck over this.

As for Omtata, he is Azimio affiliated. If he gets it, he really fully deserves it.

Look at tribal maths - Bunyasi can get - Nambale,Butula,Teso North and Teso South  - while Otouma will lead in Funyula,Budalangi & Matayos - North versus South kind of situation.

ODM losing the senator to Omtata definitely
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 09:56:30 PM
😂😂😂😂maaaan....

You're a fake luhya who dont even know Busia. Busia is Marachi, Samia, Banyala and Bhakayo - then Iteso (Non Luhyas). Now the problem I am reading is that in his 10yrs battle with Ojaamong - Otuoma might have said some nasty things regarding Iteso people. That will be hard for them to forgive.

Now that Marachi have combined effort - with DAPK backing Bunyasi - I think ODM just lost another seat. ODM could end up with very few governors...like 7 now.

Most (All) of the voters bordering Siaya will vote Otuoma/ODM; then Otuoma battles with Bunyasi for the rest of the Luhya vote. Meantime, he gets the majority of the Teso votes with running mate and other Teso luminaries aligned to him. His battle with Ojamong is simply that Ojamong has been too corrupt and he (Otuoma) has been at his neck over this.

As for Omtata, he is Azimio affiliated. If he gets it, he really fully deserves it.

Look at tribal maths - Bunyasi can get - Nambale,Butula,Teso North and Teso South  - while Otouma will lead in Funyula,Budalangi & Matayos - North versus South kind of situation.

ODM losing the senator to Omtata definitely
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 10:09:11 PM
You're a Bukusu with little knowledge of other Luhyas.
😂😂😂😂maaaan....
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 10:23:31 PM
FYI - I am Banyala.... assimilated into Bukusu; a lot of Bukusus have this lineage. Both my great grand fathers on either side were Banyala.

I identify myself as Bukusu because that’s my deeper affiliation by lineage with my half-Bukusu grandfathers marrying and settling in Bukusuland.

You're a Bukusu with little knowledge of other Luhyas.
😂😂😂😂maaaan....
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 10:30:43 PM
Interesting. Is that why you support Raila that deeply. You're half Luo you know :)
FYI - I am Banyala.... assimilated into Bukusu; a lot of Bukusus have this lineage. Both my great grand fathers on either side were Banyala.

I identify myself as Bukusu because that’s my deeper affiliation by lineage with my half-Bukusu grandfathers marrying and settling in Bukusuland.

You're a Bukusu with little knowledge of other Luhyas.
😂😂😂😂maaaan....
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 10:49:22 PM
Let me tell you a short story...

My grandfather in his wandering ways after coming back from Ceylon/Sri Lanka where he was a conscript KAR, left his ancestral land to be a Nyapara/Headman on Mzungu land in Saboti Scheme/Blue Gum... He asked a neighbour/relative to look after his land as he sought fortune elsewhere. Neighbors (who were also relatives) were informed about this arrangement.

My granddad stayed away for far too long without ever returning. At this point, the guy asked to watch the land was already rolling and multiplying his brood. Soon enough he was settling some of his sons on Grandfather’s land. The neighbors/relatives became concerned and started looking for granddad to come take his shamba. Granddad was little concerned as he had since married a dashing Bukusu damsel (my paternal grandmother) and was now settled in Kimilili/Saboti complete with some new shamba acquired through the friendship/help of his mzungu master. All he said was the fella won’t carry the shamba on his back and he will be back to reclaim his piece. He never did... died before he made that return trip.

Much later on, some relatives came to seek my dad out to go claim his ancestral land. My dad was hesitant, but his younger brother (my uncle/baba mdogo 😊) was keen and convinced him that they go check it out. They did and the guy who had been left to watch over the land, now very advanced in years agreed that indeed this was the land... but he told my dad that he now has his family settled on the land and he doesn’t know what to do now. This remember is in the late eighties, like 40+ years later after my grandfather had left his Bunyala village. My father had no heart for claiming that land and quickly made his exit. Mark you also, the now middle aged sons of this land custodian would not be easily depart as they had nowhere else to go. You have no desire to invite panga wars over land... and that’s how the ancestral land left our custody.





FYI - I am Banyala.... assimilated into Bukusu; a lot of Bukusus have this lineage. Both my great grand fathers on either side were Banyala.

I identify myself as Bukusu because that’s my deeper affiliation by lineage with my half-Bukusu grandfathers marrying and settling in Bukusuland.

You're a Bukusu with little knowledge of other Luhyas.
😂😂😂😂maaaan....
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 10:59:56 PM
I am as Luhya/Bukusu as they come!!! You sure had to identify me as Luo.... I support Raila and ODM from an ideological standpoint.

Mark you both Luo and Kalenjins are nilotes... river/lake and highland nilotes, so in the same vein you are Luo; why aren’t you supporting RAO?😂😂😂🤷🏿???🤷🏿???

Interesting. Is that why you support Raila that deeply. You're half Luo you know :)
FYI - I am Banyala.... assimilated into Bukusu; a lot of Bukusus have this lineage. Both my great grand fathers on either side were Banyala.

I identify myself as Bukusu because that’s my deeper affiliation by lineage with my half-Bukusu grandfathers marrying and settling in Bukusuland.

You're a Bukusu with little knowledge of other Luhyas.
😂😂😂😂maaaan....
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 11:02:16 PM
Interesting story. It was I guess very common story. Similar to my great grandfather and his bros. What was your father doing in KAR - he was a cook - that use to be what I heard Luhyas were doing in the army :)

Yeah - but land then had no value - our great grand parent left their farm in kericho - went to present day Borabu - my grand father and grand mother were actually born in Mzungu farm - in Borabu now - around 1915 or about -  then around 1930s - Mzungu started importing tractors - and declared many people redundant.

So what to do - they move to border of Mzungu farm - and squattors - go land huko GeleGele scheme - at Borabu border - and live there. Never went back to Kericho.

Land then really had no value then. Some of our relatives have tried to go to Kericho - but the guys we left dont have any land left - they have very small parcels - because once you move out - someone else moved in. The land simply was of no value.

Let me tell you a short story...

My grandfather in his wandering ways after coming back from Ceylon/Sri Lanka where he was a conscript KAR, left his ancestral land to be a Nyapara/Headman on Mzungu land in Saboti Scheme/Blue Gum... He asked a neighbour/relative to look after his land as he sought fortune elsewhere. Neighbors (who were also relatives) were informed about this arrangement.

My granddad stayed away for far too long without ever returning. At this point, the guy asked to watch the land was already rolling and multiplying his brood. Soon enough he was settling some of his sons on Grandfather’s land. The neighbors/relatives became concerned and started looking for granddad to come take his shamba. Granddad was little concerned as he had since married a dashing Bukusu damsel (my paternal grandmother) and was now settled in Kimilili/Saboti complete with some new shamba acquired through the friendship/help of his mzungu master. All he said was the fella won’t carry the shamba on his back and he will be back to reclaim his piece. He never did... died before he made that return trip.

Much later on, some relatives came to seek my dad out to go claim his ancestral land. My dad was hesitant, but his younger brother (my uncle/baba mdogo 😊) was keen and convinced him that they go check it out. They did and the guy who had been left to watch over the land, now very advanced in years agreed that indeed this was the land... but he told my dad that he now has his family settled on the land and he doesn’t know what to do now. This remember is in the late eighties, like 40+ years later after my grandfather had left his Bunyala village. My father had no heart for claiming that land and quickly made his exit. Mark you also, the now middle aged sons of this land custodian would not be easily depart as they had nowhere else to go. You have no desire to invite panga wars over land... and that’s how the ancestral land left our custody.





FYI - I am Banyala.... assimilated into Bukusu; a lot of Bukusus have this lineage. Both my great grand fathers on either side were Banyala.

I identify myself as Bukusu because that’s my deeper affiliation by lineage with my half-Bukusu grandfathers marrying and settling in Bukusuland.

You're a Bukusu with little knowledge of other Luhyas.
😂😂😂😂maaaan....
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 11:05:26 PM
We supported Raila - he betrayed us. It was worse form of betrayal. Kalenjin will never forgive him. Yaani of all the priorities ODM had - Mau forest and Copenhagen climate conference became his top priority. Kidogo he is sending Ruto to ICC and Hague knowing he was innocent.

Kalenjin would have made Raila president in 2013 - all he needed
 1) Make RUTO the DPM - not useless MADVD - because contribution of Ruto was HUGE - or better yet negotiate for two Vice Presidents
 2) Protect Kalenjin who had fought for him and help saved his Luo people from being massacred.
 3) Assure Ruto after he was done - now in 2022 - Ruto would inherit him.   

ODM coalition was solid coalition of three tribes though BUKUSU played offside.

Raila would have won 2013 bila kupingwa...because Mt kenya know Kibaki had rigged massively...Raila just needed to get Bukusu and it was a wrap.

I am as Luhya/Bukusu as they come!!! You sure had to identify me as Luo.... I support Raila and ODM from an ideological standpoint.

Mark you both Luo and Kalenjins are nilotes... river/lake and highland nilotes, so in the same vein you are Luo; why aren’t you supporting RAO?😂😂😂🤷🏿???🤷🏿???
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Yeah, a “cook”😎😎😎!!! You are very cocky....

My grandfather was a sharp shooter - he would place a bottle on your head, aim and shoot it off! That was the “cook” for you.

In KAR we had porters, cooks, fighters. Am told most of the Kambas were porters and we have a huge community of KAR fighters who remained back and settled in India, in Madras/Chennai.

Interesting story. It was I guess very common story. Similar to my great grandfather and his bros. What was your father doing in KAR - he was a cook - that use to be what I heard Luhyas were doing in the army :)

Yeah - but land then had no value - our great grand parent left their farm in kericho - went to present day Borabu - my grand father and grand mother were actually born in Mzungu farm - in Borabu now - around 1915 or about -  then around 1930s - Mzungu started importing tractors - and declared many people redundant.

So what to do - they move to border of Mzungu farm - and squattors - go land huko GeleGele scheme - at Borabu border - and live there. Never went back to Kericho.

Land then really had no value then. Some of our relatives have tried to go to Kericho - but the guys we left dont have any land left - they have very small parcels - because once you move out - someone else moved in. The land simply was of no value.

Let me tell you a short story...

My grandfather in his wandering ways after coming back from Ceylon/Sri Lanka where he was a conscript KAR, left his ancestral land to be a Nyapara/Headman on Mzungu land in Saboti Scheme/Blue Gum... He asked a neighbour/relative to look after his land as he sought fortune elsewhere. Neighbors (who were also relatives) were informed about this arrangement.

My granddad stayed away for far too long without ever returning. At this point, the guy asked to watch the land was already rolling and multiplying his brood. Soon enough he was settling some of his sons on Grandfather’s land. The neighbors/relatives became concerned and started looking for granddad to come take his shamba. Granddad was little concerned as he had since married a dashing Bukusu damsel (my paternal grandmother) and was now settled in Kimilili/Saboti complete with some new shamba acquired through the friendship/help of his mzungu master. All he said was the fella won’t carry the shamba on his back and he will be back to reclaim his piece. He never did... died before he made that return trip.

Much later on, some relatives came to seek my dad out to go claim his ancestral land. My dad was hesitant, but his younger brother (my uncle/baba mdogo 😊) was keen and convinced him that they go check it out. They did and the guy who had been left to watch over the land, now very advanced in years agreed that indeed this was the land... but he told my dad that he now has his family settled on the land and he doesn’t know what to do now. This remember is in the late eighties, like 40+ years later after my grandfather had left his Bunyala village. My father had no heart for claiming that land and quickly made his exit. Mark you also, the now middle aged sons of this land custodian would not be easily depart as they had nowhere else to go. You have no desire to invite panga wars over land... and that’s how the ancestral land left our custody.





FYI - I am Banyala.... assimilated into Bukusu; a lot of Bukusus have this lineage. Both my great grand fathers on either side were Banyala.

I identify myself as Bukusu because that’s my deeper affiliation by lineage with my half-Bukusu grandfathers marrying and settling in Bukusuland.

You're a Bukusu with little knowledge of other Luhyas.
😂😂😂😂maaaan....
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 06, 2022, 11:17:01 PM
Highly doubt. Kalenjin were one taken to fight. KAR in 1914 I recruited Nandis to fight in 1st world war - mostly in Mozambique and related. Now your grandfather was recruited in 2nd world war in 1940s?
Yeah, a “cook”😎😎😎!!! You are very cocky....

My grandfather was a sharp shooter - he would place a bottle on your head, aim and shoot it off! That was the “cook” for you.

In KAR we had porters, cooks, fighters. Am told most of the Kambas were porters and we have a huge community of KAR fighters who remained back and settled in India, in Madras/Chennai.
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 06, 2022, 11:45:54 PM
Noooo, 1st World War... my father was born in 1934 for heaven’s sake!!!

Highly doubt. Kalenjin were one taken to fight. KAR in 1914 I recruited Nandis to fight in 1st world war - mostly in Mozambique and related. Now your grandfather was recruited in 2nd world war in 1940s?
Yeah, a “cook”😎😎😎!!! You are very cocky....

My grandfather was a sharp shooter - he would place a bottle on your head, aim and shoot it off! That was the “cook” for you.

In KAR we had porters, cooks, fighters. Am told most of the Kambas were porters and we have a huge community of KAR fighters who remained back and settled in India, in Madras/Chennai.
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: RV Pundit on August 07, 2022, 12:05:21 AM
He definitely didnt fight in Srilank/Ceylon. That cock and bull story. The KAR in 1913-1914 - recruited mostly Nandis - who went to fight in Mozambique/Tanzania/Southern Africa against the Germans. The 2nd world war is when African were taken to Asia.
Noooo, 1st World War... my father was born in 1934 for heaven’s sake!!!
Title: Re: Sakwa Bunyasi may pull an upset in Busia after Mulomi endorsed ANC
Post by: Pragmatic on August 07, 2022, 12:40:08 AM
Never quite keenly interrogated that... Need to check up with my old man tomorrow actual theatre of war.

He definitely didnt fight in Srilank/Ceylon. That cock and bull story. The KAR in 1913-1914 - recruited mostly Nandis - who went to fight in Mozambique/Tanzania/Southern Africa against the Germans. The 2nd world war is when African were taken to Asia.
Noooo, 1st World War... my father was born in 1934 for heaven’s sake!!!