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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on November 11, 2014, 10:04:03 AM
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Get prepared for an obese population and with cancer now taking its toll on the young adults 30-40's.....I am just saying. Quiznos and subways are better choices not Domino's piza.
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Obesity and cancer are hot areas of research. Obesity is treatable. Cancer is a war.
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Get prepared for an obese population and with cancer now taking its toll on the young adults 30-40's.....I am just saying. Quiznos and subways are better choices not Domino's piza.
Fast food is baaaaad...
But they will find a ready and willing market among the well to do in Kenya. I am thinking they are also not going to experience any regulation in what they use or put in the food.
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Obesity and cancer are hot areas of research. Obesity is treatable. Cancer is a war.
Obesity is indeed treatable but it’s not that easy as we can tell from research otherwise it wouldn’t be such an epidemic in most countries especially the US. Fast-food that is cheap and readily available is culprit and the trend is definitely catching up in Kenya. Obesity is also one of the precursors of cancer so that is double whammy. Tough times ahead I tell you
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Get prepared for an obese population and with cancer now taking its toll on the young adults 30-40's.....I am just saying. Quiznos and subways are better choices not Domino's piza.
Fast food is baaaaad...
But they will find a ready and willing market among the well to do in Kenya. I am thinking they are also not going to experience any regulation in what they use or put in the food.
That is the bigger problem...food regulation standards are poor in Kenya...I suspect that is why cancer is rampant. No one is really paying close attention at how we grow our food, what chemicals and how much we are using to grow the food, or even how it is being treated or processed and packaged before it hits the shelves.
The new thing is the growing fish farming on small plots everywhere around the country. Initially I thought that was a genius idea given how much food will be available at cheap prices for the consumers…… but then I got to thinking, how they are breeding the fish, what kinds of foods are they feeding them, are these even regulated by the government…….so many questions, but very few answers. Quick money leads to disregard of human lives. At least in the US and other countries there is regulation.
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Aren't the franchise owners not suppose to adhere to brand standards...sort of every cocacola soda ought to taste nearly similarly everywhere. Compared to what is going on....these international brands bring in world class food standard and experience to kenya...and hopefully the local chips and chicken joint..can copy from them.
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Aren't the franchise owners not suppose to adhere to brand standards...sort of every cocacola soda ought to taste nearly similarly everywhere. Compared to what is going on....these international brands bring in world class food standard and experience to kenya...and hopefully the local chips and chicken joint..can copy from them.
The franchises have standards that most franchisees are supposed to adhere too...however I am not sure how far their jurisdiction reaches. I don’t think they will be importing chicken from the US to sell in the Kenyan franchises. I am also not sure they will have any control of how the local chicken or whatever is being bred.....that usually is up to the host country
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Aren't the franchise owners not suppose to adhere to brand standards...sort of every cocacola soda ought to taste nearly similarly everywhere. Compared to what is going on....these international brands bring in world class food standard and experience to kenya...and hopefully the local chips and chicken joint..can copy from them.
The franchises have standards that most franchisees are supposed to adhere too...however I am not sure how far their jurisdiction reaches. I don’t think they will be importing chicken from the US to sell in the Kenyan franchises. I am also not sure they will have any control of how the local chicken or whatever is being bred.....that usually is up to the host country
Indeed it will be up to the local regulations. Some of the regulations stateside make it more expensive for them to do business. Those are likely to be the first to go, when they can avoid them.
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I know those already here basically import stuff from Egypt and South Africa..including potatos. There is no way they can allow their brand to become a jaukali. This is how they make money. You do not want to find the chicken you ate..in Nairobi Subway is quite different from the one in New York. This essentially where subway comes in...to ensure the brand is not watered down.
I am not sure what regulation are...but this is not exactly rocket science..potatos, some beef, some chicken and name it..how complicated can this get?..kenya already export horticultural products to Europe...meeting some stringent standards.
The franchises have standards that most franchisees are supposed to adhere too...however I am not sure how far their jurisdiction reaches. I don’t think they will be importing chicken from the US to sell in the Kenyan franchises. I am also not sure they will have any control of how the local chicken or whatever is being bred.....that usually is up to the host country
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I know those already here basically import stuff from Egypt and South Africa..including potatos. There is no way they can allow their brand to become a jaukali. This is how they make money. You do not want to find the chicken you ate..in Nairobi Subway is quite different from the one in New York. This essentially where subway comes in...to ensure the brand is not watered down.
I am not sure what regulation are...but this is not exactly rocket science..potatos, some beef, some chicken and name it..how complicated can this get?..kenya already export horticultural products to Europe...meeting some stringent standards.
The franchises have standards that most franchisees are supposed to adhere too...however I am not sure how far their jurisdiction reaches. I don’t think they will be importing chicken from the US to sell in the Kenyan franchises. I am also not sure they will have any control of how the local chicken or whatever is being bred.....that usually is up to the host country
About regulations. For instance, there are some type of oils(I forget what) that used to be popular in fast food franchises that were banned in the US. The industry fought it, but they lost. I am inclined to think they will not think twice to use the same stuff where there are no such regulations. I think the same thing happened with Philip Morris, resulting in a different quality of cigarrettes for different countries.
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I see. Well in a country grappling with many problems...whatever they will do here..is not even 1/4 of what our food industry do and don't do.
About regulations. For instance, there are some type of oils(I forget what) that used to be popular in fast food franchises that were banned in the US. The industry fought it, but they lost. I am inclined to think they will not think twice to use the same stuff where there are no such regulations. I think the same thing happened with Philip Morris, resulting in a different quality of cigarrettes for different countries.
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I know those already here basically import stuff from Egypt and South Africa..including potatos. There is no way they can allow their brand to become a jaukali. This is how they make money. You do not want to find the chicken you ate..in Nairobi Subway is quite different from the one in New York. This essentially where subway comes in...to ensure the brand is not watered down.
I am not sure what regulation are...but this is not exactly rocket science..potatos, some beef, some chicken and name it..how complicated can this get?..kenya already export horticultural products to Europe...meeting some stringent standards.
The franchises have standards that most franchisees are supposed to adhere too...however I am not sure how far their jurisdiction reaches. I don’t think they will be importing chicken from the US to sell in the Kenyan franchises. I am also not sure they will have any control of how the local chicken or whatever is being bred.....that usually is up to the host country
That’s easier said than done. How profitable do you think it would be to import chicken to 3 -5 restaurants from outside the country? It doesn’t make any economic sense. Food regulations are very strict for all restaurants in most of these countries where the franchises are originating from. The only thing the franchise owners have to ensure is that you actually provide the original product to ensue uniformity…but as far as the nitty gritty surrounding regulations and food processing, that lies solely with the central government. In Kenya the government isn’t bothered with such trifles…they busy eating. Heck I am even sure they will be involved in trying to subvert standards for a little fee. Like Termi has mentioned…their domain in host countries are limited. You are also assuming the person eating the burger in Nairobi has visited New York and tasted their burgers…..that’s a bit presumptuous.
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I understand those concerns but definitely this is big step forward toward having some form of regulations...even if they are franchise standard. They are targeting the expat and middle class..given the prices (plus the tastes) are rather steep for a typical kenyan.
They may not be perfect..they are world class in area of fast food..which a city like Nairobi need. There is no time to prepare our kienyenji food in fast paced city life.
This is an opportunity for many a diaspora who have worked in US's fast food to open franchise here....
That’s easier said than done. How profitable do you think it would be to import chicken to 3 -5 restaurants from outside the country? It doesn’t make any economic sense. Food regulations are very strict for all restaurants in most of these countries where the franchises are originating from. The only thing the franchise owners have to ensure is that you actually provide the original product to ensue uniformity…but as far as the nitty gritty surrounding regulations and food processing, that lies solely with the central government. In Kenya the government isn’t bothered with such trifles…they busy eating. Heck I am even sure they will be involved in trying to subvert standards for a little fee. Like Termi has mentioned…their domain in host countries are limited. You are also assuming the person eating the burger in Nairobi has visited New York and tasted their burgers…..that’s a bit presumptuous.
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This is an opportunity for many a diaspora who have worked in US's fast food to open franchise here....
The business idea is always good one especially for ambitious diasporas who are eyeing the local market hoping to tap into the market. However when it comes to what we eat, we must continue to demand higher safety standards as a minimum because if it is shortening the lives of the populace then it isn’t worth it. Hopefully we are wrong. I am pleased at how big chain supermarkets have gone mainstream in such a way that most Kenyans not just the expats or ‘middle class’ have access. Fast-food is actually the cheaper end of foodstuff in the west meaning everyone and their mother can afford it. Replicating it in Kenya or Africa as a whole would make sense if it’s affordable to the majority.
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Fast-food is actually the cheaper end of foodstuff in the west meaning everyone and their mother can afford it. Replicating it in Kenya or Africa as a whole would make sense if it’s affordable to the majority.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work that way for the poor countries. Take for example the Big Mac Index and consider how much a person has to work at the average salary in order to afford a Big Mac. The numbers are higher for the poor countries. In fact data shows eating a Big Mac in Nairobi is actually costly in those terms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index#cite_note-Price_and_Earnings.2C_CIO_Wealth_Management_Research-22
As for regulations, the local ones are what count, and I would be surprised to find some corner-cutting in places where even if regulations are thorough (which itself will be doubtful) it is very easy to bribe someone to look the other way.
Fast foods are the last things that the world's poor need.
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The Big Mac (and virtually all sandwiches) vary from country to country with differing nutritional values, weights and even nominal size differences.
Not all Big Mac burgers offered by the chain are exclusively beef. In India — which is a predominantly Hindu country — beef burgers are not available at any McDonald's outlets. The chicken Maharaja Mac serves as a substitute for the Big Mac.
There is a lot of variance with the exclusively Beef "Big Mac": the Australian version of the Big Mac has 22% less energy than the Canadian version, and is 8% lighter than the version sold in Mexico.[
Interesting; Thanks MoonKi, that is exactly what I though.....most franchises have to adapt to the host countries culture
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Let not forget that in kenya 40% of hospitalization are due to diarhoea...mostly due to basic food handling procedures, basic hygiene and name.
These are first world worries...we have far more serious problems to deal with..like washing hands after going to the toilet.
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You are right, first things first….The diarrhea is mostly due to untreated water. If we treat all waters then half the problems will be solved. Treatable illnesses’ like typhoid etc should be killing people in this day and age. It’s like offerings laptops to kids studying under a tree lol. :D
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Let not forget that in kenya 40% of hospitalization are due to diarhoea...mostly due to basic food handling procedures, basic hygiene and name.
These are first world worries...we have far more serious problems to deal with..like washing hands after going to the toilet.
That speaks to my healthy skepticism with the drugs for Africans movement. Basic sanitation and hygiene pushed life expectancy in the west through the roof.
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Let not forget that in kenya 40% of hospitalization are due to diarhoea...mostly due to basic food handling procedures, basic hygiene and name.
These are first world worries...we have far more serious problems to deal with..like washing hands after going to the toilet.
Er, em ... actually there are hardly any toilets to go to. Huge problem. See the first entry at
http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/8202/kenyan-essentials-rising-cost-shite
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http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Six-million-Kenyans-lack-access-to-toilets-UN/-/1056/2402950/-/11dxsdh/-/index.html
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Yes that is big issue...which is why we have to be careful before we buy into few rich men of kenya problems like cancers, obesity (when 30% are malnourished) and really work on basics. The stats i have seen..there were 40M hospital visits last yr..40% mostly on diarrhea...most of it on basic communicable diseases...that can be eliminated by safe water and sanitation.
We have a long way to go.We might need Bill gates to go round digging pit laterines and teaching negro basic hygiene. Assuming counties cannot do the very basic like piped water in every household...50yrs later.
Er, em ... actually there are hardly any toilets to go to. Huge problem. See the first entry at
http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/8202/kenyan-essentials-rising-cost-shite
and
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Six-million-Kenyans-lack-access-to-toilets-UN/-/1056/2402950/-/11dxsdh/-/index.html
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I have also previously written about food. Not just the famine stuff, with starving people covered with flies showing up on TV, but even more basic things: the number of Kenyan children whose physical growth and brain-development get stunted due to inadequate nutrition is astonishing.
Proper food, decent housing and education, adequate health facilities, basic security .... these are the things I imagine are (or should be) of concern to the majority of Kenyans, many of whom face all sorts of daily struggles. But I suppose they aren't as exciting as "our man into the big chair!"
So what were we discussing ...? Ah yes ... Back to it, then. But be sure to do it where it belongs and to wash your hands afterward.
Read more: http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/8202/kenyan-essentials-rising-cost-shite#ixzz3IsoIrNuH
@MOONKI
Interesting read. By the way, What do you think about pit latrines with the recent floods that have hit several parts of the country? Is that really the way to go, given the unpredictable climate change? I cant believe something that can be achieved with simple measures such digging holes on the ground could cost so much.
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MOONKI
Interesting read. By the way, What do you think about pit latrines with the recent floods that have hit several parts of the country? Is that really the way to go, given the unpredictable climate change? I cant believe something that can be achieved with simple measures such digging holes on the ground could cost so much.
Interesting question, to which I don't have a "full" answer, given that I don't know the extent of the floods. But I would consider these: (a) how frequent are the floods, and what is their effect; and (b) how frequently do people shit in "wrong" places? An "optimization" problem, taking into account risks, costs, etc. Looking at my home-home area (and similar rural areas), as well as numerous urban areas, I would say that people ought to be busy digging latrines or finding other alternatives. Shit right, wash your hands with clean water, and then worry about floods. Nobody is "immune" to nature.
By the way, it is not just health; the local economies too matter. Consider the Lake-Victoria area, for example. Folks have been shitting right where they fish! The locals appear not to care, but the EU does: they handed out money for the construction of toilets and latrines, but it got "eaten". They have now said that they will no longer accept fish from those areas of Kenya if the locals continue to feed the fish with shit. Can't say I blame them.
Yes, the real costs of not shitting right or having clean water are staggering. A serious government would make one "lump-sum" investment in these things and make a huge difference. Sadly, they are not as "sexy" as "laptops for all toddlers!", Konza City (probably another eating scam), etc.
The biggest "health" problems in Kenya---see the figures by RV Pundit, for an example---can be solved relatively quickly and cheaply. The shitting-water problem is just part of it. When Kenya applied to get into Obama's Feed The Future programme, I took a look at some of the material GoK submitted. I was staggered by the numbers given of children whose physical and brain developments are retarded (probably permanently) by the lack of proper nutrition. (Yes, I know it's funny that while Washington worries about how Kenyans will eat in the future, GoK has been busy hurling insults and "heading East".)