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Title: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 06:35:57 AM
If supreme court fails to overturn he is forever out of politics
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on July 15, 2022, 08:06:52 AM
In supreme court, money talks. I'm sure they have received the dough already, if NOT, Sonko is tossed!
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 15, 2022, 08:07:40 AM
And Politicians will be using Impeachment to end Governors Careers especially if they are a threat yo Presidential ambitions or they refuse yo bow down to their armtwisting
If supreme court fails to overturn he is forever out of politics
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 09:42:12 AM
Yes that is political implication. It will be catastrophic.
And Politicians will be using Impeachment to end Governors Careers especially if they are a threat yo Presidential ambitions or they refuse yo bow down to their armtwisting
If supreme court fails to overturn he is forever out of politics
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: KenyanPlato on July 15, 2022, 04:59:21 PM
sonko should be handed to DEA.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: sema on July 15, 2022, 05:07:04 PM
In supreme court, money talks. I'm sure they have received the dough already, if NOT, Sonko is tossed!

Once you can bribe supreme court judges, isn't that a total banana republic beyond redemption?
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: KenyanPlato on July 15, 2022, 05:19:05 PM
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Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 05:29:30 PM
Sonko political career ended.His case dismissed.Now how will iebc remove him? Is there a procedure.

Now he can choose to campaign for Azimio as raia - but he should know it's Uhuru who has ended his career.

Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: KenyanPlato on July 15, 2022, 05:42:31 PM
iebc will use the ruling to make a decision. this is actually very good for chapter 6. judiciary will decide on suitability of candidates. once scok rules it is final. btw sonko now got watch his butt. Eacc and asset recovery can impound his assets and ask him to prove their source
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 05:46:21 PM
What is the procedure for removing a candidate who has been nominated by RO?
Can IEBC does this Suo moto (on their own motion) or will they wait for someone to petition or a court order to be brought.
Yes Sonko without politics is now vulnerable...but he still a sly cat.
iebc will use the ruling to make a decision. this is actually very good for chapter 6. judiciary will decide on suitability of candidates. once scok rules it is final. btw sonko now got watch his butt. Eacc and asset recovery can impound his assets and ask him to prove their source
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: KenyanPlato on July 15, 2022, 05:48:32 PM
I am not sure what it is but the other candidates in Mombasa will rush to uebc to demand it removes sonko clearing. the ro will have to rescind his earlier decision due to change of facts
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
Yes RO should simply call Sonko and snatch the certificate of nomination and tear it.
I am not sure what it is but the other candidates in Mombasa will rush to uebc to demand it removes sonko clearing. the ro will have to rescind his earlier decision due to change of facts
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nefertiti on July 15, 2022, 09:07:56 PM
Yes impeached governors are now barred permanently. Integrity is the real winner. Avoid looting - kama unataka pesa enda biashara not leadership.

iebc will use the ruling to make a decision. this is actually very good for chapter 6. judiciary will decide on suitability of candidates. once scok rules it is final. btw sonko now got watch his butt. Eacc and asset recovery can impound his assets and ask him to prove their source
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: yulemsee on July 15, 2022, 09:15:29 PM
Azimio closing ranks with Sonko on Tuesday will lose them waswahili votes at the coast. Bad strategy
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 09:43:41 PM
Yes impeached governors are now barred permanently. Integrity is the real winner. Avoid looting - kama unataka pesa enda biashara not leadership.

iebc will use the ruling to make a decision. this is actually very good for chapter 6. judiciary will decide on suitability of candidates. once scok rules it is final. btw sonko now got watch his butt. Eacc and asset recovery can impound his assets and ask him to prove their source
what if the process is abused by political rivals...all these kind of laws eventually make the president powerful.. already suspending governor upon being charged has given dpp powers...now threat of impeachment is a career ender
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 15, 2022, 09:44:23 PM
Bad optics for Kenyan politics. You can imagine in first term if Uhuru was impeached or in second term Ruto was impeached.
Impeachment is a political process and the SCORK should hsve just stuck with they dont have Jurisdiction..
The battles of impeachment which will start after Aug election Mungu saidia Kenya . It will lead to anarchy ..
Supreme Court just dealt itself a death blow.
Politicians will gang up and change the constituion and remove supreme court all together .
Martha Koome is the worst thing that happened in Kenyan Judiciary.
RV used to say she is the best. Righ now I know he reflects and says I wish I knew.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 09:48:05 PM
Bad optics for Kenyan politics. You can imagine in first term if Uhuru was impeached or in second term Ruto was impeached.
Impeachment is a political process and the SCORK should hsve just stuck with they dont have Jurisdiction..
The battles of impeachment which will start after Aug election Mungu saidia Kenya . It will lead to anarchy ..
Supreme Court just dealt itself a death blow.
Politicians will gang up and change the constituion and remove supreme court all together .
Martha Koome is the worst thing that happened in Kenyan Judiciary.
RV used to say she is the best. Righ now I know he reflects and says I wish I knew.
it was 7 bench decision.. please stop your kind of nonsense that takes away from good point.I used to like Mumbi but his rulling suspending governor has made them no better than district commissioner
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 15, 2022, 09:54:16 PM
You dont cosign what I have said ?

Bad optics for Kenyan politics. You can imagine in first term if Uhuru was impeached or in second term Ruto was impeached.
Impeachment is a political process and the SCORK should hsve just stuck with they dont have Jurisdiction..
The battles of impeachment which will start after Aug election Mungu saidia Kenya . It will lead to anarchy ..
Supreme Court just dealt itself a death blow.
Politicians will gang up and change the constituion and remove supreme court all together .
Martha Koome is the worst thing that happened in Kenyan Judiciary.
RV used to say she is the best. Righ now I know he reflects and says I wish I knew.
it was 7 bench decision.. please stop your kind of nonsense that takes away from good point.I used to like Mumbi but his rulling suspending governor has made them no better than district commissioner
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: patel on July 15, 2022, 09:58:54 PM
Sonko thought he was sly. Uhuru finished him. Will he run to baba wa Kambo or William? Raila never wanted him incharge of Mombasa he should come home and join hustlers.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 15, 2022, 10:01:53 PM
The way to entagle Supreme Court it to file a Case requesting clarification if a President was to be impeached would he be able to run for any other office.....Hapo watajua hawajui....
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 10:05:09 PM
The way to entagle Supreme Court it to file a Case requesting clarification if a President was to be impeached would he be able to run for any other office.....Hapo watajua hawajui....
the law is clear...any state office any impeachment is final career ender .. article 75 and article 99.. maybe sonko can follow Martha and file in Arusha east Africa court...then go to Adis to file in Africa court then go to the Hague to file in ICJ... constitution says exhaust all avenue...he still has Arusha lol
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: KenyanPlato on July 15, 2022, 11:15:57 PM
sonko is done. the next thing will be him being jailed for corruption. then after that usa will file for extradition on drug or money laundering charges. Sonko is  very evil character.  he has been engaging in a lot of land wash wash in nairobi bit his days have come to an end. everything has a start and an end.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2022, 11:27:20 PM
Politics he is done.He has to fight his corruption cases.But he is like Kamlesh pattni..very smart and moneyed.He will only go down if he extradited to the US
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: KenyanPlato on July 15, 2022, 11:39:40 PM
Politics he is done.He has to fight his corruption cases.But he is like Kamlesh pattni..very smart and moneyed.He will only go down if he extradited to the US

the mombasa drug barons will take him out. watch his biggest mistake was to go back to coast
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nefertiti on July 16, 2022, 02:05:37 AM
Yes impeached governors are now barred permanently. Integrity is the real winner. Avoid looting - kama unataka pesa enda biashara not leadership.

iebc will use the ruling to make a decision. this is actually very good for chapter 6. judiciary will decide on suitability of candidates. once scok rules it is final. btw sonko now got watch his butt. Eacc and asset recovery can impound his assets and ask him to prove their source
what if the process is abused by political rivals...all these kind of laws eventually make the president powerful.. already suspending governor upon being charged has given dpp powers...now threat of impeachment is a career ender

Graft is a bigger monster than executive impunity. We must pick our poison. This disincentivises thieves and that's a big plus.

It's like ICC: mzungu can abuse it but it still scares many would-be butchers when they see Charles Taylor or Slobodan Milosevic locked up for dog years.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: patel on July 16, 2022, 02:47:08 AM
Sonko is done, done politically the only thing remaining is his criminal network. I believe Uhuru want sonko militia to counter hustlers in Nairobi and coast once they steal the election  that's if he is able to pull it off
sonko is done. the next thing will be him being jailed for corruption. then after that usa will file for extradition on drug or money laundering charges. Sonko is  very evil character.  he has been engaging in a lot of land wash wash in nairobi bit his days have come to an end. everything has a start and an end.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Dear Mami on July 16, 2022, 08:14:44 AM
Bad optics for Kenyan politics. You can imagine in first term if Uhuru was impeached or in second term Ruto was impeached.
Impeachment is a political process and the SCORK should hsve just stuck with they dont have Jurisdiction..
But they do have it (jurisdiction), since impeachment and effects are spelled out in the Constitution. On what basis would they claim lack of jurisdiction? It is the correct decision.

Sonko's mistake was indeed political. It was to fight Uhuru all the way to the Senate instead of raising the white flag sooner, latest when he saw these guys meant to go all the way to a Senate verdict, knowing Uhuru had RAO in his pocket. Ditto Waititu. Always know your vulnerabilities when taking on the state. You don't do it with the kind of background and skeletons these clowns have or without as much clout as, say Baba, has. Utaumia! Kuwa mwerevu.

That said, this is good for the country overall.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 16, 2022, 08:40:02 AM
Yes anything that send shivers down thieving governors is always good.This also make mcas and senator have real teeth against impunity.The potential of abuse worries me because big boys can hold governor at ransom.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 16, 2022, 08:52:25 AM

They dont , read the Judgement again. The did it to set Jurispudence and I bet for Sonko taining the Judiciary.
Reread rhe functions of a Supreme Court.

Bad optics for Kenyan politics. You can imagine in first term if Uhuru was impeached or in second term Ruto was impeached.
Impeachment is a political process and the SCORK should hsve just stuck with they dont have Jurisdiction..
But they do have it (jurisdiction), since impeachment and effects are spelled out in the Constitution. On what basis would they claim lack of jurisdiction? It is the correct decision.

Sonko's mistake was indeed political. It was to fight Uhuru all the way to the Senate instead of raising the white flag sooner, latest when he saw these guys meant to go all the way to a Senate verdict, knowing Uhuru had RAO in his pocket. Ditto Waititu. Always know your vulnerabilities when taking on the state. You don't do it with the kind of background and skeletons these clowns have or without as much clout as, say Baba, has. Utaumia! Kuwa mwerevu.

That said, this is good for the country overall.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 16, 2022, 08:54:40 AM

Devolution money instead of going to Development will be channeled to bribe MCAs.
Fights will be there from Day 1 obstructing functioning of County governments.


Yes anything that send shivers down thieving governors is always good.This also make mcas and senator have real teeth against impunity.The potential of abuse worries me because big boys can hold governor at ransom.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 16, 2022, 09:48:16 AM
Yes mcas are going to jointly run county or the governor is dead...mcas will demand contracts and jobs.. failure to which the governor is rear ended
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Dear Mami on July 16, 2022, 10:43:14 AM
Noway, even without bothering to read it, SCOK has jurisdiction over any and every question of the interpretation of the Constitution that comes before it either on appeal or during a Presidential election petition. This here is a question directly about provisions in the constitution and other laws that the court is asked to examibe to determine whether the law was contravened by Senate in convicting Sonko. The Court has not found any contravention so it's refraining from interfering in Senate matters. In other words, they are respecting separation of powers; it was Sonko who was asking them to overturn a matter handled by the legislature and the Court is simply saying that barring constitutional contravention (which it hasn't found) it will not. So hakuna shida na jurisdiction.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 16, 2022, 10:46:04 AM

read the judgement first then we discuss...
Noway, even without bothering to read it, SCOK has jurisdiction over any and every question of the interpretation of the Constitution that comes before it either on appeal or during a Presidential election petition. This here is a question directly about provisions in the constitution and other laws that the court is asked to examibe to determine whether the law was contravened by Senate in convicting Sonko. The Court has not found any contravention so it's refraining from interfering in Senate matters. In other words, they are respecting separation of powers; it was Sonko who was asking them to overturn a matter handled by the legislature and the Court is simply saying that barring constitutional contravention (which it hasn't found) it will not. So hakuna shida na jurisdiction.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: Nefertiti on July 16, 2022, 01:10:32 PM
Senate is there to countercheck MCAs. Governor just needs to avoid graft - and do their real job. Already Wamboras, Waigurus, etc were saved by Senate.

Big problem remains messing with PORK or such big fish. Otherwise judiciary is also there for groundless impeachment. Sonko and Waititu looting was so brazen, this is a perfect outcome.

DON'T LOOT. Governor job is to develop the county not enrich themselves. There should be fewer thieves running now.

Yes mcas are going to jointly run county or the governor is dead...mcas will demand contracts and jobs.. failure to which the governor is rear ended
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: gout on July 16, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
EACC at county level will be on their necks. Corruption cases timelines and precedents are looking good. The county accounting officers will not want to hang.


Devolution money instead of going to Development will be channeled to bribe MCAs.
Fights will be there from Day 1 obstructing functioning of County governments.


Yes anything that send shivers down thieving governors is always good.This also make mcas and senator have real teeth against impunity.The potential of abuse worries me because big boys can hold governor at ransom.
Title: Re: Sonko impeachment case at scork today
Post by: RV Pundit on July 16, 2022, 01:20:11 PM
Senate is PORK/National politics. Only a foolish governor will want it to get there. So they will keep MCAS very happy.
Senate is there to countercheck MCAs. Governor just needs to avoid graft - and do their real job. Already Wamboras, Waigurus, etc were saved by Senate.

Big problem remains messing with PORK or such big fish. Otherwise judiciary is also there for groundless impeachment. Sonko and Waititu looting was so brazen, this is a perfect outcome.

DON'T LOOT. Governor job is to develop the county not enrich themselves. There should be fewer thieves running now.

Yes mcas are going to jointly run county or the governor is dead...mcas will demand contracts and jobs.. failure to which the governor is rear ended