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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2022, 06:23:07 AM

Title: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2022, 06:23:07 AM
Crazy.Without cabinet or parliament or competitive provess or public participating he offers Dubai world our ports.Might have to be jailed like zuma
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2022, 06:26:48 AM
Of course Raila,Joho and yattani involved.Ruto really have no option but to form a commission of inquiry into uhuru state capture and for DPP to charge them with economic terrorism crimes
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Kirgit on June 30, 2022, 07:55:23 AM
He's probably repatriating stolen loot through Dubai
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2022, 08:09:09 AM
We are 39 days - then we jail the mtf.
He's probably repatriating stolen loot through Dubai
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2022, 09:00:19 AM
This Yatani should be charged as soon as he hand over the empty treasury coffers. Then all the deals regarding ports and sgr rescinded via exuctive order no 1.
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Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: patel on June 30, 2022, 10:02:30 AM
Kenyatta family remains a criminal enterprise. Level of corruption, industrial scale. I do also believe they grabbed kenya oil blocks off Indian Ocean disguised as border War with Somalia.






Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: Kadudu on June 30, 2022, 10:54:34 AM
I have read the article in the Standard. Actually the situation is very differnet from what is being depicted here on this forum. Although I dissagree with the procedure being followed by Uhuru and his government, we have to be fair to them and nothing has been decided.

Uhuru's approach to such big projects like SGR, Nairobi Expressway etc has always been the same. Single source one company and make a quick deal in the name of government to government (does not exist) deal. Get a share of the the proposed venture like in the Nairobi Expressway and then let the company build while Uhuru and co. enjoy the fruits for the next decades.

Such a venture with the ports should follow the law. Discussion in cabinet, tabled in parliament and most important request for proposals from differnt interested parties. Only this way will Kenya get the best deal. Single sourcing is opening doors to big time corruption. We will never know how much SGR would have cost the country had we not single sourced everything that has to do with it from feasibility studies, planning, building, building surpervision, aquisition of wagons, running of railway etc.

Tanzania has shown Kenya how to build a railway with local goverment supervision. Several companies from different countries were awarded different sections to build the SGR. Lately a Turkish company was kicked out for not delivering ordered locomotives on time.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/business/article/2001449159/kenya-kwanza-queries-state-deal-with-foreign-firm-on-three-ports

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But Mr Yatani, while confirming plans to expand Mombasa, Lamu and Kisumu ports, said government had not signed any agreement with DP World, but only had discussions with the company.

The talks, he said, are covered by agreements that Kenya has with UAE on cooperating in different economic areas. These include the operation and management of the Lamu Port as well as development of Special Economic Zone (SEC) in Lamu.
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
I agree with general tenor but make a big distinction btw Uhuru making deals from a greenfield or new project versus trying to sell or transfer key critical national asset under the cover of darkness. That is where I draw the line.This is where it become grand corruption attempt.

Let him make deals by building a new port - but leave existing ports alone - unless the process start from cabinet - includes parliament - public participation - and of course a competitive bidding process.

I have read the article in the Standard. Actually the situation is very differnet from what is being depicted here on this forum. Although I dissagree with the procedure being followed by Uhuru and his government, we have to be fair to them and nothing has been decided.

Uhuru's approach to such big projects like SGR, Nairobi Expressway etc has always been the same. Single source one company and make a quick deal in the name of government to government (does not exist) deal. Get a share of the the proposed venture like in the Nairobi Expressway and then let the company build while Uhuru and co. enjoy the fruits for the next decades.

Such a venture with the ports should follow the law. Discussion in cabinet, tabled in parliament and most important request for proposals from differnt interested parties. Only this way will Kenya get the best deal. Single sourcing is opening doors to big time corruption. We will never know how much SGR would have cost the country had we not single sourced everything that has to do with it from feasibility studies, planning, building, building surpervision, aquisition of wagons, running of railway etc.

Tanzania has shown Kenya how to build a railway with local goverment supervision. Several companies from different countries were awarded different sections to build the SGR. Lately a Turkish company was kicked out for not delivering ordered locomotives on time.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/business/article/2001449159/kenya-kwanza-queries-state-deal-with-foreign-firm-on-three-ports

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But Mr Yatani, while confirming plans to expand Mombasa, Lamu and Kisumu ports, said government had not signed any agreement with DP World, but only had discussions with the company.

The talks, he said, are covered by agreements that Kenya has with UAE on cooperating in different economic areas. These include the operation and management of the Lamu Port as well as development of Special Economic Zone (SEC) in Lamu.
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: Kadudu on June 30, 2022, 01:02:21 PM
Your tolerance to the "small" corruption has led to the bigger corruption. These people are very greedy. Give them a finger and they will take your whole arm. Kenyatta family is very rich already and seems like their appetite for more material wealth cannot be saturated.
This deal has come at the wrong time for Uhuru. His successor will swim in billions.

I agree with general tenor but make a big distinction btw Uhuru making deals from a greenfield or new project versus trying to sell or transfer key critical national asset under the cover of darkness. That is where I draw the line.This is where it become grand corruption attempt.

Let him make deals by building a new port - but leave existing ports alone - unless the process start from cabinet - includes parliament - public participation - and of course a competitive bidding process.
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 30, 2022, 02:18:16 PM
Azimio now crying foul that Raila is tied to Uhuru.
As if Uhuru is not Chair of Azimio Council and Raila didnt say he will continue to advance Uhuru policies.

Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2022, 02:43:06 PM
They think Kenyans are fool - August 9th they will have nowhere to hide - the hidding they will get from Kenyans is doing press up
Azimio now crying foul that Raila is tied to Uhuru.
As if Uhuru is not Chair of Azimio Council and Raila didnt say he will continue to advance Uhuru policies.

Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: gout on July 04, 2022, 03:26:49 PM
Baba will be a prized witness in the state capture quasi judicial inquiry
This is baba and joho in 2017 on the ports before they got their crumbs.

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PRESS STATEMENT BY RT. HON RAILA ODINGA:
MARCH 26TH 2017.
UHURU KENYATTA MUST COME CLEAN ON KPA-DUBAIL PORT DEAL:
On the 26th of October 2016, the Government of the Republic of Kenya signed a bilateral cooperation agreement with the Government of the United Arab Emirates.

In that agreement, the Government of the United Arab Emirates agreed to lend to the Government of Kenya a concessional loan to the tune of approximately 275 million US dollars (about KSH28 billion).

The loan was supposedly to be used in the development of the Port of Mombasa including what the agreement called “enhancing operational and business efficiencies within the Second Container Terminal” in addition to the development of Kipevu Oil Terminal.

A whiff of corruption hangs all over this so-called loan as it leaves more questions than answers. We are here to seek very specific answers from none other than the President of the Republic of Kenya Mr. Uhuru Kenyatta.

First, this so-called loan looks more like a bribe to senior persons in government than a loan.

It has been given on condition that the Government of the United Arab Emirates will appoint an agent to operate, manage and undertake the expansion of the Second Container Terminal of the Port of Mombasa. UAE went ahead to appoint Dubai Port World (DP World) to manage the facility.

It would appear the UAE did not win but purchased the management of our second container terminal at a cost of 275 million US dollars.

Dubai Port, which has been given the contract to manage the second container terminal in Mombasa, was defeated by about 12 other port operators which expressed interest in managing the second terminal.

All these international port operators, from countries with mega port operations like China, Japan, Singapore, and the Netherlands participated in a tender and emerged on top of the defeated Dubai Port.

In the tender, Chinese consortium PSA International, which had partnered with a local group – Multiple Hauliers – emerged top.
Can President Uhuru Kenyatta prove to Kenyans that the so-called loan from the United Arab Emirates was not a bribe to sway the contract in favour of Dubai?

Can the President explain to Kenyans how he ended up giving the job to Dubai instead of any of the more than ten firms that came top? What was the purpose of the tender when the job ended up being given to a defeated bidder?
We also find the purpose of the so-called loan extremely fuzzy. It appears someone was desperate to find a reason to hand over the port to Dubai, hence an agreement that is all over the place.

The agreement says the loan will be used to enhance the operations of the second container terminal and the development of the Oil Terminal. The loan, according to the agreement, can also be used for the financing of other projects including the Special Economic Zones, other port infrastructure and other capacity building and community development initiatives.
Loans are usually sought for specific projects. This particular one appears to be looking around for something to finance as long as the port is delivered. It is a case study in avoiding accountability for money disbursed. It can later be claimed to have financed anything and everything.

Can the President explain whether Kenya sought a loan from the UAE and what we needed the loan for?

Can he explain to Kenyans the terms of repayment for this so-called loan? Can the President explain to Kenyans how the Dubai loan, if at all it is a loan and not a bribe, is a better deal than what we would get from other institutions like the World Bank or other nations? Why did it come just when the United Arab Emirates was seeking to manage our port?

The second container terminal was funded and built by the Government of Japan. Having funded and built the project, Japan had realistic expectations that it would be given the chance to manage and operate it.

Can President Kenyatta explain to Kenyans how Japan became a bad bidder and the implications for Kenya ofthis cold-blooded breach of trust? Did Japan lose because it failed to pay bribes?

We are aware that in August 2015, the chief representative of the Japan International Corporation (Jica), Mr Hideo Uguchi, wrote to the National Treasury to protest against the manner in which Kenya was meddling with the process of selecting an international company to operate the second container terminal. In the letter, Japan warned that that the meddling could affect its aid to Kenya.

Can the President explain to Kenyans how Japan’s misgivings were addressed and how the decision to award the tender to Dubai affects the terms of the loans lent to us by Japan on concessionary terms?
Finally, we want the President to assure Kenyans that he has no personal interest in having the Middle East firm manage our port and that he has no personal stake and gain in the so-called loan to Kenya in return for the port being managed by Dubai? We have reason to believe there is conflict of interest in this matter.

https://www.facebook.com/OdmReloaded/photos/a.232690263508632/1186173361493646/
Title: Re: Ufool.try to clandestinely sell Kenya ports
Post by: RV Pundit on July 04, 2022, 03:32:34 PM
Joho and Jan Mohammed monopoly at ports..cfs and grain handling plus Mois need to be dismantled...kwanza hiyo grain handling monopoly day one.The fake private sector will be exposed and opened up for real competition with investments pouring in