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Title: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 12:13:09 PM
Azimio flagbearer Raila Odinga is the most preferred presidential candidate if elections were held now, an opinion poll by Infotrak Research and Consulting shows.

The survey conducted in all the 290 constituencies said 42 per cent of the respondents would vote for Raila while 38 per cent named Deputy president William Ruto as their preferred candidate.

The poll said Raila would garner 9.3 million votes and Ruto 8.4 million votes.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-06-08-raila-ahead-of-ruto-in-presidential-race-poll/
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Things are thick if you own pollster is struggling - just like you struggled with your own maths.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: KenyanPlato on June 08, 2022, 01:31:02 PM
Raila will make luos wail again. He such a poor organizer
Now his campaigns are already out of steam
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: patel on June 08, 2022, 01:38:36 PM
No message ...total confusion. Running on more of the same. Fuata nyayo za uhuru on a change election season. Expect more Tibim, Tia lala.
Raila will make luos wail again. He such a poor organizer
Now his campaigns are already out of steam
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 02:17:52 PM
Shida akifungua mdomo he is likely to say things that will take a week to clean up. In fact he should keep off campaign.
Raila will make luos wail again. He such a poor organizer
Now his campaigns are already out of steam
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 02:18:35 PM
It surreal when you hear him speak of ignorance, disease and poverty - ni kama - kichwa imeenda
No message ...total confusion. Running on more of the same. Fuata nyayo za uhuru on a change election season. Expect more Tibim, Tia lala.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: KenyanPlato on June 08, 2022, 02:34:00 PM
Shida akifungua mdomo he is likely to say things that will take a week to clean up. In fact he should keep off campaign.
Raila will make luos wail again. He such a poor organizer
Now his campaigns are already out of steam

T
Raila is senile
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 02:37:20 PM
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Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on June 08, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
This is the figure i quoted way back the pollsters in Kenya are very predictable   :D  started in 2007 always with a 4 % gap for baba
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: audacityofhope on June 08, 2022, 03:17:36 PM
Azimio flagbearer Raila Odinga is the most preferred presidential candidate if elections were held now, an opinion poll by Infotrak Research and Consulting shows.

The survey conducted in all the 290 constituencies said 42 per cent of the respondents would vote for Raila while 38 per cent named Deputy president William Ruto as their preferred candidate.

The poll said Raila would garner 9.3 million votes and Ruto 8.4 million votes.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-06-08-raila-ahead-of-ruto-in-presidential-race-poll/
Enjoy your break pajero. The man says he apologises then you realise it is just lip service as he goes on a rant in multiple posts showing all and sundry how unapologetic he is, "defending himself".
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: mankind on June 08, 2022, 07:31:11 PM
This is the figure i quoted way back the pollsters in Kenya are very predictable   :D  started in 2007 always with a 4 % gap for baba

   The problem with Raila supporters has always been the failure to understand that opinion polls are just that..an opinion based on a sample of a few people that misses so many other parameters.  The problem is so bad it turns very smart people into idiots.  Just ask pundit who despite being very good with numbers still refuses to acknowledge Raila lost in 2007 when you put known numbers and facts on a spreadsheet  i.e registered voters per constituency and election results.  A very clear picture emerges that Raila lost then and will most likely lose this time unless something really big happens. I was having a discussion with a few of my buddies who think Raila will win but when I challenged them on the numbers one told me they have military intelligence working for them.  Laughable at most.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 07:53:18 PM
There are many ways of telling a rigged elections. 2007 was rigged. The turnout in Mt Kenya was off charts. The MPs/ Councillors didnt correspond. Kibaki could not govern without Kalonzo or NARA. The violence that erupted shows it was brazenly rigged. Martha appointed all comssioners bar Kiviutu who rigged the polls. Unlike all other elections...voters from Turkana and Mandera north...that would arrive late....came earlier than Mt kenya voters that were few kilometers from KICC. Kivitui acknowledge many ROS were unreachable.

The rigging was BRAZEN. Delay the strongholds - find out the gap - inflate the figures- win by 200K.

As regard opinion polls - they do get it wrong - sometimes deliberately - sometimes because they refuse to sample based on tribes.

Even this InfoTrak has some value....you'll see areas where it generally agrees with others - hapo if all of them say Raila is leading in Nyanza and common say so - then we take them seriously.

However dead give away is areas where opinion polls disagree - and in this election they disagree on almost everything - most specifically on undecided voters.

I wonder what people are waiting to decide?

   The problem with Raila supporters has always been the failure to understand that opinion polls are just that..an opinion based on a sample of a few people that misses so many other parameters.  The problem is so bad it turns very smart people into idiots.  Just ask pundit who despite being very good with numbers still refuses to acknowledge Raila lost in 2007 when you put known numbers and facts on a spreadsheet  i.e registered voters per constituency and election results.  A very clear picture emerges that Raila lost then and will most likely lose this time unless something really big happens. I was having a discussion with a few of my buddies who think Raila will win but when I challenged them on the numbers one told me they have military intelligence working for them.  Laughable at most.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 08, 2022, 08:01:09 PM

RV , we have been here before.
Can you showcase the 2007 voter turnout in Mt Kenya ?

There are many ways of telling a rigged elections. 2007 was rigged. The turnout in Mt Kenya was off charts. The MPs/ Councillors didnt correspond. Kibaki could not govern without Kalonzo or NARA. The violence that erupted shows it was brazenly rigged. Martha appointed all comssioners bar Kiviutu who rigged the polls. Unlike all other elections...voters from Turkana and Mandera north...that would arrive late....came earlier than Mt kenya voters that were few kilometers from KICC. Kivitui acknowledge many ROS were unreachable.

The rigging was BRAZEN. Delay the strongholds - find out the gap - inflate the figures- win by 200K.

As regard opinion polls - they do get it wrong - sometimes deliberately - sometimes because they refuse to sample based on tribes.

Even this InfoTrak has some value....you'll see areas where it generally agrees with others - hapo if all of them say Raila is leading in Nyanza and common say so - then we take them seriously.

However dead give away is areas where opinion polls disagree - and in this election they disagree on almost everything - most specifically on undecided voters.

I wonder what people are waiting to decide?

   The problem with Raila supporters has always been the failure to understand that opinion polls are just that..an opinion based on a sample of a few people that misses so many other parameters.  The problem is so bad it turns very smart people into idiots.  Just ask pundit who despite being very good with numbers still refuses to acknowledge Raila lost in 2007 when you put known numbers and facts on a spreadsheet  i.e registered voters per constituency and election results.  A very clear picture emerges that Raila lost then and will most likely lose this time unless something really big happens. I was having a discussion with a few of my buddies who think Raila will win but when I challenged them on the numbers one told me they have military intelligence working for them.  Laughable at most.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 08:05:03 PM
I did MOAS of 2007 - it was really simple. NO votes of 2005 minus Kalonzo is what Raila ought to have got 46-48. Kibaki should played around same 42-44. If you check my MOASS of 2007 - everything was good except mostly the turnout. Mt Kenya turnout since 1992, 97, 2002 and 2005 had not been that high. We know the figures were inflated.

Kibaki believed that Kalenjin and Luos had rigged 2005 turnout...and set out to rig or even things in 2007.

But historically turnout in Kalenjin and Luoland was high - and nothing has really changed over the years.

RV , we have been here before.
Can you showcase the 2007 voter turnout in Mt Kenya ?
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on June 08, 2022, 08:15:27 PM
I did MOAS of 2007 - it was really simple. NO votes of 2005 minus Kalonzo is what Raila ought to have got 46-48. Kibaki should played around same 42-44. If you check my MOASS of 2007 - everything was good except mostly the turnout. Mt Kenya turnout since 1992, 97, 2002 and 2005 had not been that high. We know the figures were inflated.

Kibaki believed that Kalenjin and Luos had rigged 2005 turnout...and set out to rig or even things in 2007.

But historically turnout in Kalenjin and Luoland was high - and nothing has really changed over the years.

RV , we have been here before.
Can you showcase the 2007 voter turnout in Mt Kenya ?
Well pundit Mankind and Noway dissected here openly the 2007 numbers using MOAS that showed Kibaki clearly won,you didn't even have an answer we can aswell go back to that threqd,first time you lost in a MOAS argument.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 08, 2022, 08:18:30 PM


RV just accept if rigging happened in 2007 it was in ODM areas.We did put figures here and you were astonished.
Come Aug 09. ODMers will still claim they have been rigged .

I did MOAS of 2007 - it was really simple. NO votes of 2005 minus Kalonzo is what Raila ought to have got 46-48. Kibaki should played around same 42-44. If you check my MOASS of 2007 - everything was good except mostly the turnout. Mt Kenya turnout since 1992, 97, 2002 and 2005 had not been that high. We know the figures were inflated.

Kibaki believed that Kalenjin and Luos had rigged 2005 turnout...and set out to rig or even things in 2007.

But historically turnout in Kalenjin and Luoland was high - and nothing has really changed over the years.

RV , we have been here before.
Can you showcase the 2007 voter turnout in Mt Kenya ?
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 08:24:20 PM
2007 was rigged. We can argue for next 30yrs and not come to an agreement. Let focus on 2022.
RV just accept if rigging happened in 2007 it was in ODM areas.We did put figures here and you were astonished.
Come Aug 09. ODMers will still claim they have been rigged .
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on June 08, 2022, 08:24:54 PM
IT IS ORDAINED!

I see Pundit putting on a brave face.

Upende ama usipende tutawala.

Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
2007 was your year. Hii ni ya Ruto. No need to hate Ruto or Kalenjin - who supported you to the hilt. You're yet to repay that debt. The best you can do is shut up and watch Ruto win this - without any gov or state support.

IT IS ORDAINED!

I see Pundit putting on a brave face.

Upende ama usipende tutawala.


Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on June 08, 2022, 08:52:31 PM
2007 was your year. Hii ni ya Ruto. No need to hate Ruto or Kalenjin - who supported you to the hilt. You're yet to repay that debt. The best you can do is shut up and watch Ruto win this - without any gov or state support.

All bravado aside this one is assuredly in the bag for the old man even you will see it soon. Everyone back home tells me Raila it is round hii. There is excitement in the air. Hustler wave came and went. Azimio timed this race to perfection, the other team peaked too early.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 08, 2022, 09:07:52 PM
Your people dont know how to win. They snatch defeat from jaws of victory. Watch the son of the gun win. Ndio next time you do better with someone else. Hii Mzee yenu imekwisha. He cannot compete with someone like WSR. Atumizwa bure.

Watch campaign strategy - saa hii Ruto has three teams - MaDVD+Weta are going village to village in Western - Gachagua and team doing Mt kenya - and Ruto is the flying doctor - going to everywhere else.

Next is to activate the coast and ukambani teams - those four teams - well financed - will cause havoc to old Azimio - nationally.

Meanwhile Azimio remain in boardroams hoping someone is out there rigging them in.

All bravado aside this one is assuredly in the bag for the old man even you will see it soon. Everyone back home tells me Raila it is round hii. There is excitement in the air. Hustler wave came and went. Azimio timed this race to perfection, the other team peaked too early.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on June 09, 2022, 01:42:56 AM
Your people dont know how to win. They snatch defeat from jaws of victory. Watch the son of the gun win. Ndio next time you do better with someone else. Hii Mzee yenu imekwisha. He cannot compete with someone like WSR. Atumizwa bure.

Watch campaign strategy - saa hii Ruto has three teams - MaDVD+Weta are going village to village in Western - Gachagua and team doing Mt kenya - and Ruto is the flying doctor - going to everywhere else.

Next is to activate the coast and ukambani teams - those four teams - well financed - will cause havoc to old Azimio - nationally.

Meanwhile Azimio remain in boardroams hoping someone is out there rigging them in.

All bravado aside this one is assuredly in the bag for the old man even you will see it soon. Everyone back home tells me Raila it is round hii. There is excitement in the air. Hustler wave came and went. Azimio timed this race to perfection, the other team peaked too early.

Has Kalenjin won elections by themselves? Last time you were riding Gema coat tails as junior partner. Let us see how you do this time. Until then punguza kiburi.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 09, 2022, 02:33:58 AM
With this type of judgement you wonder why Raila has been losing..


Your people dont know how to win. They snatch defeat from jaws of victory. Watch the son of the gun win. Ndio next time you do better with someone else. Hii Mzee yenu imekwisha. He cannot compete with someone like WSR. Atumizwa bure.

Watch campaign strategy - saa hii Ruto has three teams - MaDVD+Weta are going village to village in Western - Gachagua and team doing Mt kenya - and Ruto is the flying doctor - going to everywhere else.

Next is to activate the coast and ukambani teams - those four teams - well financed - will cause havoc to old Azimio - nationally.

Meanwhile Azimio remain in boardroams hoping someone is out there rigging them in.

All bravado aside this one is assuredly in the bag for the old man even you will see it soon. Everyone back home tells me Raila it is round hii. There is excitement in the air. Hustler wave came and went. Azimio timed this race to perfection, the other team peaked too early.

Has Kalenjin won elections by themselves? Last time you were riding Gema coat tails as junior partner. Let us see how you do this time. Until then punguza kiburi.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on June 09, 2022, 03:27:47 AM

Has Kalenjin won elections by themselves? Last time you were riding Gema coat tails as junior partner. Let us see how you do this time. Until then punguza kiburi.
MOI won elections in 1992 and 1997 by lining up Kamatusa, and toping it up with pockets of other tribes here and there. Ruto already has that demographics and will top it up with Gema, Luhya, and coast. Kalenjins and Gema win elections, period!
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 09, 2022, 06:56:05 AM
He forget the only election kalenjin have lost is 1963 and 2002 - the rest have been shoe-in - small problem of 2007 was resolved with arrows - but generally kalenjin knows how to win power. Luos have longest losing streak because they are emotional - and dont look at things rationally - or plan long term. Once Ruto win - we are looking at Luo chance of ever getting power drop to almost zero in our lifetime.

Right now - the Luo politicians are just idling and taking holiday breaks - waiting for drunkard Uhuru to make them PORK :) - they dont know the amount of hardwork and money it takes to get power;

I tell you even basic stuff like recruiting, training and deploying agents they wont manage. Labda Kibicho last minute scramble NYS boys and girls. Do they have even a parallel tallying system. Nope. They are waiting for Uhuru. They dont know for last elections Uhuru has been relying on Chirchir.

Manifesto look crap - that is not seriousness required to take power.

They are just sitting comfortably - shouting Baba the 5th - and for 5yrs assured of PORK because finally the DEEP state and systems are working for Raila :)

Meantime even when ahead - Ruto continues to work hard, continues to be hungry, continues to be humble and continues plan A to Z -knowing to take power is not easy - it takes a lot of hardwork and money

MOI won elections in 1992 and 1997 by lining up Kamatusa, and toping it up with pockets of other tribes here and there. Ruto already has that demographics and will top it up with Gema, Luhya, and coast. Kalenjins and Gema win elections, period!
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on June 09, 2022, 08:08:59 AM
MOI won elections in 1992 and 1997 by lining up Kamatusa, and toping it up with pockets of other tribes here and there. Ruto already has that demographics and will top it up with Gema, Luhya, and coast. Kalenjins and Gema win elections, period!

Mlolongo erections don't count yawa  :D

Stop conflating GEMA and Kalenjin, vast gulf in quality. Mogotios should stop d-riding githeri folk eish.
Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on June 09, 2022, 08:10:46 AM
He forget the only election kalenjin have lost is 1963 and 2002 - the rest have been shoe-in - small problem of 2007 was resolved with arrows - but generally kalenjin knows how to win power. Luos have longest losing streak because they are emotional - and dont look at things rationally - or plan long term. Once Ruto win - we are looking at Luo chance of ever getting power drop to almost zero in our lifetime.

Right now - the Luo politicians are just idling and taking holiday breaks - waiting for drunkard Uhuru to make them PORK :) - they dont know the amount of hardwork and money it takes to get power;

I tell you even basic stuff like recruiting, training and deploying agents they wont manage. Labda Kibicho last minute scramble NYS boys and girls. Do they have even a parallel tallying system. Nope. They are waiting for Uhuru. They dont know for last elections Uhuru has been relying on Chirchir.

Manifesto look crap - that is not seriousness required to take power.

They are just sitting comfortably - shouting Baba the 5th - and for 5yrs assured of PORK because finally the DEEP state and systems are working for Raila :)

Meantime even when ahead - Ruto continues to work hard, continues to be hungry, continues to be humble and continues plan A to Z -knowing to take power is not easy - it takes a lot of hardwork and money

MOI won elections in 1992 and 1997 by lining up Kamatusa, and toping it up with pockets of other tribes here and there. Ruto already has that demographics and will top it up with Gema, Luhya, and coast. Kalenjins and Gema win elections, period!

Wapi KK manifesto? Hamna, just waiting for Azimio to unveil so you can copy it. Bure sana

Title: Re: Pajero please comeback my dear - Infotrak predict huge Raila lead
Post by: RV Pundit on June 09, 2022, 08:45:06 AM
Let wait for it. Ndii says it biggest policy document ever made in kenya. With 200 top experts on it.

Wapi KK manifesto? Hamna, just waiting for Azimio to unveil so you can copy it. Bure sana