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Title: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 16, 2022, 07:25:14 AM
If Raila slip and pick Kalonzo, it will ratchet up to 95%;however, if she picks a gichugu/ndia woman, it will stay the same or reduce to 70%. 30% mountain and loss of Kamba votes is a disaster for team Kuzimia! I pray to God for Raila to pick Martha or PK and we can start buying the drapes for the Statehouse. Raila, Kalonzo and Uhuru (Three-legged stool) is a serious group that can hit 47%. 
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 07:41:18 AM
Yes agreed. Few clean up issues needed in Kiambu and Muranga - and of course Kindiki Meru & Tharaka.
Otherwise it's 90 percent in Nyeri, Laikipia, Embu.
Kirinyanga we shall see if Martha get picked - otherwise it also move to 90.
Nyeri people are very tribal - and dont like Uhuru - for dropping the kibaki ball

Kiambu is where Ruto need to work on.
Kiambu and Muranga leaders need to endorse Gachagua as the Kikuyu leader and it's done deal.

Kindiki must be inconsolable but he knows he has no future outside Ruto.
Unless they pick Munya - Merus will eventually play 70-30.

Ultimately biggest loser today is Uhuru Kenyatta who will be retired politically.
He thought he was going to stay on in the political space.
Now Gachagua - a forceful hard-nosed campaigner with money - working with Ruto will make nonsense of it
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 16, 2022, 07:52:18 AM
Yes agreed. Few clean up issues needed in Kiambu and Muranga - and of course Kindiki Meru & Tharaka.
Otherwise it's 90 percent in Nyeri, Laikipia, Embu.
Kirinyanga we shall see if Martha get picked - otherwise it also move to 90.
Nyeri people are very tribal - and dont like Uhuru - for dropping the kibaki ball

Kiambu is where Ruto need to work on.
Kiambu and Muranga leaders need to endorse Gachagua as the Kikuyu leader and it's done deal.

Kindiki must be inconsolable but he knows he has no future outside Ruto.
Unless they pick Munya - Merus will eventually play 70-30.

Ultimately biggest loser today is Uhuru Kenyatta who will be retired politically.
He thought he was going to stay on in the political space.
Now Gachagua - a forceful hard-nosed campaigner with money - working with Ruto will make nonsense of it
Kiambu is in the hands of my friend Kimani Ichung'wah with the help of Moses Kuria, Kabogo, wamatangi, Loise Kim, Wamuratha, Waitutu and young cats like like Karungo wa thang'wa, Kawanjiku and many UDA politicians. If Kalonzo is picked, Kiambu will go 90% UDA. Even Kenyatta family will vote 80/20 for UDA!
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 07:55:47 AM
Funny bit 2 kalenjins speaking about mt.kenya with absolute certainty  :D
Where is Noway?
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 08:02:15 AM
You sound salty Njuri :)
We can speak on behalf on anybody
Because we can observe. In fact some of the best observation is from outsiders.
Insiders you cant see nothing beyond Meru interest.
We know for example that Merus are bitter that Kindiki got his nuts kicked.
Funny bit 2 kalenjins speaking about mt.kenya with absolute certainty  :D
Where is Noway?
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 08:06:52 AM
You sound salty Njuri :)
We can speak on behalf on anybody
Because we can observe. In fact some of the best observation is from outsiders.
Insiders you cant see nothing beyond Meru interest.
We know for example that Merus are bitter that Kindiki got his nuts kicked.
Funny bit 2 kalenjins speaking about mt.kenya with absolute certainty  :D
Where is Noway?
So what you see is the reality? You never see me and Noway talking with that absolute confidence about RV things,tuliza boli we tell you the direction of things,wacha excitement
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 08:12:43 AM
Okay let give it a few days or weeks;
But so far I agree with RVHH
Based on my social media review: Gachagua is a hit
Mt kenya were looking for a man brave enough to take on Kenyatta empire.
They found one. That for me seems to explain the excitement.
So what you see is the reality? You never see me and Noway talking with that absolute confidence about RV things,tuliza boli we tell you the direction of things,wacha excitement
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 08:21:45 AM
Okay let give it a few days or weeks;
But so far I agree with RVHH
Based on my social media review: Gachagua is a hit
Mt kenya were looking for a man brave enough to take on Kenyatta empire.
They found one. That for me seems to explain the excitement.
So what you see is the reality? You never see me and Noway talking with that absolute confidence about RV things,tuliza boli we tell you the direction of things,wacha excitement
Gachagua is not a hit what mursik are you taking? Noway told you Ruto has lost 10% in kiambu because of that in Meru also the effect of gachagua is to be felt. Before you and hoiter start yapping you have to go back and see that gachagua was no ones favourite apart from hi ls Nyeri.
Kiambu,Muranga and Meru are quiet....
Basically the advantage Ruto has is that Kindiki is a lightweight people are only bitter because they feel he was short changed but vote wise he doesn't pull much,  but you guys saying ati gachagua has gained Ruto votes ni upuzi asubuhi.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 08:25:09 AM
No new insight. Hasira ndio mingi :)
Read again this thread.
We are saying Nyeri and related cluster has moved to 90 percent.
Kiambu-Muranga-Meru more work needed to sell Gachagua.

Let me re-paste so you can re-read

Yes agreed. Few clean up issues needed in Kiambu and Muranga - and of course Kindiki Meru & Tharaka.
Otherwise it's 90 percent in Nyeri, Laikipia, Embu.
Kirinyanga we shall see if Martha get picked - otherwise it also move to 90.
Nyeri people are very tribal - and dont like Uhuru - for dropping the kibaki ball

Kiambu is where Ruto need to work on.
Kiambu and Muranga leaders need to endorse Gachagua as the Kikuyu leader and it's done deal.

Kindiki must be inconsolable but he knows he has no future outside Ruto.
Unless they pick Munya - Merus will eventually play 70-30.

Ultimately biggest loser today is Uhuru Kenyatta who will be retired politically.
He thought he was going to stay on in the political space.
Now Gachagua - a forceful hard-nosed campaigner with money - working with Ruto will make nonsense of it
Gachagua is not a hit what mursik are you taking? Noway told you Ruto has lost 10% in kiambu because of that in Meru also the effect of gachagua is to be felt. Before you and hoiter start yapping you have to go back and see that gachagua was no ones favourite apart from hi ls Nyeri.
Kiambu,Muranga and Meru are quiet....
Basically the advantage Ruto has is that Kindiki is a lightweight people are only bitter because they feel he was short changed but vote wise he doesn't pull much,  but you guys saying ati gachagua has gained Ruto votes ni upuzi asubuhi.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 16, 2022, 08:27:42 AM
Kikuyus are very loyal for their own. I woke up early to go fix the car in the garage and after a while, I could hear my wife jumping and shouting hallelujah. A minute later, she opened the door and said "Gachagua has been picked...glad that man with the high pitch lost" Hours later monitoring social media comments I see why! Kikuyus only stand by their own. Had Ruto picked Musalia and Raila picked mainstream Kikuyu, Ruto would have lost by about 5% points!
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 08:33:50 AM
Kikuyus are very loyal for their own. I woke up early to go fix the car in the garage and after a while, I could hear my wife jumping and shouting hallelujah. A minute later, she opened the door and said "Gachagua has been picked...glad that man with the high pitch lost" Hours later monitoring social media comments I see why! Kikuyus only stand by their own. Had Ruto picked Musalia and Raila picked mainstream Kikuyu, Ruto would have lost by about 5% points!
Your wife is surely funny,Kikuyus were the ones pushing Kindiki, Gachagua was being pushed by Nyeri Kikuyu, Gachagua obviously prevailed because of Money,Kura wise nothing changes much for Mzito ,there will be a percentage lost qnd gained there,I believe Noway will confirm to that Kiambu and Muranga can be restored back to over 80% as days go by but my argument is simple,gachagua doesn't bring any additional points for Ruto votes wise
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Githunguri on May 16, 2022, 08:36:10 AM
You people don't get it.Rigathi ako na kazi ngumu sana.Did you see excitement in GEMA apart from Nyeri?There are four groups in GEMA as we speak.

Kiambu/Muranga Kikuyu.

Nyeri Nyandarua Kikuyu

Embu/Kirinyaga.

Meru/Tharaka.

The Kiambu/Muranga  Kikuyu don't like Nyeri/Nyadarua Kikuyu.Infact other tribes don't realize this unless you stay with kikuyu long enough.In 2002 Kibaki got 70% in GEMA while Uhuru got 28% for this simple reason.That is why Kibaki even prevailed upon kenyatta in 2007 while the Kiambu mafia swore leadership will never cross River chains in the 1970s due to kiambu hatred for Kibaki.As we speak Raila and Ruto are 50% 50% in Kikuyu.

Embu and Kirinyaga will vote Ruto 70%.Meru and Tharaka will vote Raila 60% and 40% Ruto..
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 08:40:53 AM
Nyeri/Nyandarua? or more Nyeri/Laikipia.

I would put the diaspora on their box but agree with cluster

Meru/tharaka

Embu/Kirinyanga - close linked - Nyeri cluster

Nyeri/Laikipia

Kiambu- close link to Nairobi

Muranga - close link to Nairobi

Nakuru/Nyandarua - 30-30-30 with Muranga/Kiambu/Nyeri

You people don't get it.Rigathi ako na kazi ngumu sana.Did you see excitement in GEMA apart from Nyeri?There are four groups in GEMA as we speak.

Kiambu/Muranga Kikuyu.

Nyeri Nyandarua Kikuyu

Embu/Kirinyaga.

Meru/Tharaka.

The Kiambu/Muranga  Kikuyu don't like Nyeri/Nyadarua Kikuyu.Infact other tribes don't realize this unless you stay with kikuyu long enough.In 2002 Kibaki got 70% in GEMA while Uhuru got 28% for this simple reason.That is why Kibaki even prevailed upon kenyatta in 2007 while the Kiambu mafia swore leadership will never cross River chains in the 1970s due to kiambu hatred for Kibaki.As we speak Raila and Ruto are 50% 50% in Kikuyu.

Embu and Kirinyaga will vote Ruto 70%.Meru and Tharaka will vote Raila 60% and 40% Ruto..
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 08:43:34 AM
As for percentage; we will have opinion polls shortly;
So far there is no fallout.
So looking good for Gachagua.
Nobody is out there apart from maybe Kindiki talking bad.
If the leaders are united - the people will unite.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Githunguri on May 16, 2022, 08:47:55 AM
Nyeri/Nyandarua? or more Nyeri/Laikipia.

I would put the diaspora on their box but agree with cluster

Meru/tharaka

Embu/Kirinyanga - close linked - Nyeri cluster

Nyeri/Laikipia

Kiambu- close link to Nairobi

Muranga - close link to Nairobi

Nakuru/Nyandarua - 30-30-30 with Muranga/Kiambu/Nyeri

You people don't get it.Rigathi ako na kazi ngumu sana.Did you see excitement in GEMA apart from Nyeri?There are four groups in GEMA as we speak.

Kiambu/Muranga Kikuyu.

Nyeri Nyandarua Kikuyu

Embu/Kirinyaga.

Meru/Tharaka.

The Kiambu/Muranga  Kikuyu don't like Nyeri/Nyadarua Kikuyu.Infact other tribes don't realize this unless you stay with kikuyu long enough.In 2002 Kibaki got 70% in GEMA while Uhuru got 28% for this simple reason.That is why Kibaki even prevailed upon kenyatta in 2007 while the Kiambu mafia swore leadership will never cross River chains in the 1970s due to kiambu hatred for Kibaki.As we speak Raila and Ruto are 50% 50% in Kikuyu.

Embu and Kirinyaga will vote Ruto 70%.Meru and Tharaka will vote Raila 60% and 40% Ruto..

Nyeri/Laikipia that's correct.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 08:49:34 AM
You people don't get it.Rigathi ako na kazi ngumu sana.Did you see excitement in GEMA apart from Nyeri?There are four groups in GEMA as we speak.

Kiambu/Muranga Kikuyu.

Nyeri Nyandarua Kikuyu

Embu/Kirinyaga.

Meru/Tharaka.

The Kiambu/Muranga  Kikuyu don't like Nyeri/Nyadarua Kikuyu.Infact other tribes don't realize this unless you stay with kikuyu long enough.In 2002 Kibaki got 70% in GEMA while Uhuru got 28% for this simple reason.That is why Kibaki even prevailed upon kenyatta in 2007 while the Kiambu mafia swore leadership will never cross River chains in the 1970s due to kiambu hatred for Kibaki.As we speak Raila and Ruto are 50% 50% in Kikuyu.

Embu and Kirinyaga will vote Ruto 70%.Meru and Tharaka will vote Raila 60% and 40% Ruto..
I agree with you mostly apart from the percentages, once Noway is in he can be able to file back on the percentage on my side will give clear feedback but as of now in Meru though people are bitter the percentages doesnt change much,Kindiki was a lightweight but people are bitter with what he was subjected too,that doesn't change the percentage 1-3% I would say....we are watching Azimio moves then is easy to reconcile. I particularly want to know whats happening in Muranga as have heard news people are bitter with Ndindi Nyoro appearing short changed too, its important for Nyoro,Ichungwa,Wahome and all Kiambu,Muranga to come out and voice support for Gachagua otherwise its tricky
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Githunguri on May 16, 2022, 08:54:38 AM
You people don't get it.Rigathi ako na kazi ngumu sana.Did you see excitement in GEMA apart from Nyeri?There are four groups in GEMA as we speak.

Kiambu/Muranga Kikuyu.

Nyeri Nyandarua Kikuyu

Embu/Kirinyaga.

Meru/Tharaka.

The Kiambu/Muranga  Kikuyu don't like Nyeri/Nyadarua Kikuyu.Infact other tribes don't realize this unless you stay with kikuyu long enough.In 2002 Kibaki got 70% in GEMA while Uhuru got 28% for this simple reason.That is why Kibaki even prevailed upon kenyatta in 2007 while the Kiambu mafia swore leadership will never cross River chains in the 1970s due to kiambu hatred for Kibaki.As we speak Raila and Ruto are 50% 50% in Kikuyu.

Embu and Kirinyaga will vote Ruto 70%.Meru and Tharaka will vote Raila 60% and 40% Ruto..
I agree with you mostly apart from the percentages, once Noway is in he can be able to file back on the percentage on my side will give clear feedback but as of now in Meru though people are bitter the percentages doesnt change much,Kindiki was a lightweight but people are bitter with what he was subjected too,that doesn't change the percentage 1-3% I would say....we are watching Azimio moves then is easy to reconcile. I particularly want to know whats happening in Muranga as have heard news people are bitter with Ndindi Nyoro appearing short changed too, its important for Nyoro,Ichungwa,Wahome and all Kiambu,Muranga to come out and voice support for Gachagua otherwise its tricky

Let's wait and see who Raila chooses.

If she appoints Karua,Raila will beat Ruto in embu Kirinyaga and Meru because she will claim kikuyu have produced two presidents now it's our turn.She will then crucify rigathi by claiming kikuyu want to colonize embu meru and kirinyaga.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 16, 2022, 08:55:26 AM
Kikuyus are very loyal for their own. I woke up early to go fix the car in the garage and after a while, I could hear my wife jumping and shouting hallelujah. A minute later, she opened the door and said "Gachagua has been picked...glad that man with the high pitch lost" Hours later monitoring social media comments I see why! Kikuyus only stand by their own. Had Ruto picked Musalia and Raila picked mainstream Kikuyu, Ruto would have lost by about 5% points!
Your wife is surely funny,Kikuyus were the ones pushing Kindiki, Gachagua was being pushed by Nyeri Kikuyu, Gachagua obviously prevailed because of Money,Kura wise nothing changes much for Mzito ,there will be a percentage lost qnd gained there,I believe Noway will confirm to that Kiambu and Muranga can be restored back to over 80% as days go by but my argument is simple,gachagua doesn't bring any additional points for Ruto votes wise
Media and social media like controversy.  Kindiki won by 6 votes. Kalenjins did not vote, so they let others to vote and votes were as tribal as they can get. Mainstream Kikuyus except 3 voted for gachagua. Mt Kenya east all voted for Kindiki including outsiders from the coast and western.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 09:06:15 AM
Kikuyus are very loyal for their own. I woke up early to go fix the car in the garage and after a while, I could hear my wife jumping and shouting hallelujah. A minute later, she opened the door and said "Gachagua has been picked...glad that man with the high pitch lost" Hours later monitoring social media comments I see why! Kikuyus only stand by their own. Had Ruto picked Musalia and Raila picked mainstream Kikuyu, Ruto would have lost by about 5% points!
Your wife is surely funny,Kikuyus were the ones pushing Kindiki, Gachagua was being pushed by Nyeri Kikuyu, Gachagua obviously prevailed because of Money,Kura wise nothing changes much for Mzito ,there will be a percentage lost qnd gained there,I believe Noway will confirm to that Kiambu and Muranga can be restored back to over 80% as days go by but my argument is simple,gachagua doesn't bring any additional points for Ruto votes wise
Media and social media like controversy.  Kindiki won by 6 votes. Kalenjins did not vote, so they let others to vote and votes were as tribal as they can get. Mainstream Kikuyus except 3 voted for gachagua. Mt Kenya east all voted for Kindiki including outsiders from the coast and western.
If mainstream Kikuyu voted for Gachagua then he would have won the votes hands down, it doesn't make any sense you contradicting yourself,mt.kenya east votes are just a fraction of main stream Kikuyu. For kindiki to beat gachagua its obvious main stream Kikuyu had voted for him overwhelmingly.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 16, 2022, 09:19:45 AM
 
Kikuyus are very loyal for their own. I woke up early to go fix the car in the garage and after a while, I could hear my wife jumping and shouting hallelujah. A minute later, she opened the door and said "Gachagua has been picked...glad that man with the high pitch lost" Hours later monitoring social media comments I see why! Kikuyus only stand by their own. Had Ruto picked Musalia and Raila picked mainstream Kikuyu, Ruto would have lost by about 5% points!
Your wife is surely funny,Kikuyus were the ones pushing Kindiki, Gachagua was being pushed by Nyeri Kikuyu, Gachagua obviously prevailed because of Money,Kura wise nothing changes much for Mzito ,there will be a percentage lost qnd gained there,I believe Noway will confirm to that Kiambu and Muranga can be restored back to over 80% as days go by but my argument is simple,gachagua doesn't bring any additional points for Ruto votes wise
Media and social media like controversy.  Kindiki won by 6 votes. Kalenjins did not vote, so they let others to vote and votes were as tribal as they can get. Mainstream Kikuyus except 3 voted for gachagua. Mt Kenya east all voted for Kindiki including outsiders from the coast and western.
If mainstream Kikuyu voted for Gachagua then he would have won the votes hands down, it doesn't make any sense you contradicting yourself,mt.kenya east votes are just a fraction of main stream Kikuyu. For kindiki to beat gachagua its obvious main stream Kikuyu had voted for him overwhelmingly.
I see you point, but I think it was structured in a way that east and west of the mountain were equally represented. Not all MT Kenya west were allowed to vote. I think Mudavadi and Weta also reigned in and looked at the raw numbers, especially after the ground mobilizer had already assembled people in Nyeri chanting "No Gachagua, No Ruto" Kindiki was Ruto' a Choice but senior folks had to make hard decisions about winning or losing. Kindiki will probably be attorney general or very senior official unless he plunders in the next few days!
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: hk on May 16, 2022, 09:34:14 AM
Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 16, 2022, 09:43:06 AM
Kikuyus respect money and hard work, which Gachagua has in plenty. Karua is poor and lazy. If you talk hustlers vs wealthy, wealthy are 2% while hustlers are 98%. Gachagua wins either way you dice it!
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
I agree that Gachagua is not a likeable character;
He is not smilling type of charismatic leader like Ruto;

But this is war that majority of GEMA are fighting against the Kenyatta Empire and it's allies
That is whole hustler nation propaganda foundation.
And in this war - Gachagua has distinguished himself as the greatest warrior.
And people will just have to love him :) unless they want to abandon the fight against Kenyatta empire and it's state capture
And embrace Uhuru Kenyatta (Azimio)

I find that hard to believe 1) Kikuyus will like Azimio 2) Will like Azimio regardless of Munya or PK 3) Anybody consider Martha as their leader.
This not mainstream kikuyu thinking. That is more renegade..like my ODM brother take on Kalenjin politics.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 10:01:52 AM
Gachagua claim Ruto made 330 phone calls - and overrode the MPs/Leaders vote. GEMA got a good deal here. Ruto is incredibly smart - you give him a small boy like Kindiki - you're going home empty. With Gachagua - Ruto will reduce his ujanja to bare minimum - just dont close your eyes when with Ruto - utashangaaaaaa!

Ruto also needed Gachagua because he knows in war you dont take boys. If it was re-election - Kindiki would be smilling ear to ear as potrait DPORK.


“Those who want a soft person don’t wish well for us. Suppose we pick a timid person to represent us and then they are scared away, what happens to our people? We need someone who is brave and can remove his claws to represent the people’s interests.

“Suppose our people are marginalised, we need someone who can stand up for them and protect them. Someone who, if a goat is slaughtered won’t wait until he is given a portion…we need someone who will grab a limb and say this belongs to the mountain,” the MP said.

https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/local/how-rigathi-beat-kithure-kindiki-to-become-rutos-running-mate/p2yfccl?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Pulse-Live-Kenya-Page-Post&fbclid=IwAR2Z5SFcSiAV8u3QkRug7mvVEn2Dg2YrYdWEq_vIix8er7g40VDVqrOXDMA
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Nowayhaha on May 16, 2022, 10:03:45 AM
If Martha or PK were in Rutos camp , things would have been different . Martha has been making blunder after blunder . same with P.K. you dont make mistakes and wish to win.
Martha could have been incoming Governor of Kirinyaga . Then she went into bed with Raila.
P.K. just lost it when he started taking Murathes advice.
Gachagua has been consistent . If Moses Kuria would have been consistent then perhaps he would be the DP candidate but ulevi took toll on him and almost lead him to a bad place.
Currently as we speak any relation to Raila in GEMA is the end of political career. Ask Kiraitu and the rest.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 10:07:58 AM
Kiambu was out - from get go - because of Uhuru. You cant replace kiambu with Kiambu. That would have lead to major fallout. In Ruto list - none of them was even considered. Not even Kimani Wa Ichungwa who was leading the onslaught on Gachagua.
If Martha or PK were in Rutos camp , things would have been different . Martha has been making blunder after blunder . same with P.K. you dont make mistakes and wish to win.
Martha could have been incoming Governor of Kirinyaga . Then she went into bed with Raila.
P.K. just lost it when he started taking Murathes advice.
Gachagua has been consistent . If Moses Kuria would have been consistent then perhaps he would be the DP candidate but ulevi took toll on him and almost lead him to a bad place.
Currently as we speak any relation to Raila in GEMA is the end of political career. Ask Kiraitu and the rest.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: hk on May 16, 2022, 10:08:24 AM
All of a sudden you guys know us more than we know ourselves  :D :D . The gema uda mps voted for kindiki who's not rich, ama they didn't know rigathi is wealthy and hardworking ? Poverty level in nyeri, meru, kiambu and kirinyaga are below 20% https://www.citizen.digital/business/kenyas-poorest-unequal-counties-report-12536724 . The majority aren't poor but aren't wealthy either.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 10:09:39 AM
We have facebook and twitter with thousands of kikuyus. Yours is just one of them. Ultimately MPs were looking for their selfish interest. They wanted some poodle so they can have direct access to Ruto and state largese. GEMA best interest were for a strong man who can face Ruto. You guys got lucky. If Mps had their way - they would have put a soft kindiki - so each of them can directly go to Ruto - now with Gachagua - they know they have mountain to climb before they get to Ruto - and that is their bitterness.

Sending a small boy to Ruto is NOT EVEN FUNNY. ITS TRAGIC. Ruto hapana mchezo. That would be allowing Ruto to run gov like Moi did in 1990s - take 90 percent of the cake. Gachagua you can get 30 percent. Baluhya 10 percent. Ruto will take 60 percent. That is IN REAL POWER. Real money.

All of a sudden you guys know us more than we know ourselves  :D :D . The gema uda mps voted for kindiki who's not rich, ama they didn't know rigathi is wealthy and hardworking ? Poverty level in nyeri, meru, kiambu and kirinyaga are below 20% https://www.citizen.digital/business/kenyas-poorest-unequal-counties-report-12536724 . The majority aren't poor but aren't wealthy either.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Uhuru in Jubilee 1.0 slept only to wake up when Ruto was running everything and had made so much money.  In 2nd term he vowed to finish Ruto - but has been unable - as Ruto is always many steps ahead of him.

Do not close your eyes when dealing with Ruto leave alone sleep. Ruto is very sly, very smart, and very fast.

I have heard so many stories of him slicing folks leaving their mouth wide open.

First time I had verbatim was from my friend Sirma - when we were at UON as student leaders - and now I have heard so many stories I would actually fear going near WSR.

When he is smilling and talking nicely to you- he is also plotting your downfall or how swindle you - at the same time.

Musalia will be busy drinking tea :) - he will only realize 5yrs later - than he was drinking tea - and Ruto was wielding power - like Uhuru - who had to ask NIS for report on Ruto wealth.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 10:28:06 AM
We have facebook and twitter with thousands of kikuyus. Yours is just one of them. Ultimately MPs were looking for their selfish interest. They wanted some poodle so they can have direct access to Ruto and state largese. GEMA best interest were for a strong man who can face Ruto. You guys got lucky. If Mps had their way - they would have put a soft kindiki - so each of them can directly go to Ruto - now with Gachagua - they know they have mountain to climb before they get to Ruto - and that is their bitterness.

Sending a small boy to Ruto is NOT EVEN FUNNY. ITS TRAGIC. Ruto hapana mchezo. That would be allowing Ruto to run gov like Moi did in 1990s - take 90 percent of the cake. Gachagua you can get 30 percent. Baluhya 10 percent. Ruto will take 60 percent. That is IN REAL POWER. Real money.

All of a sudden you guys know us more than we know ourselves  :D :D . The gema uda mps voted for kindiki who's not rich, ama they didn't know rigathi is wealthy and hardworking ? Poverty level in nyeri, meru, kiambu and kirinyaga are below 20% https://www.citizen.digital/business/kenyas-poorest-unequal-counties-report-12536724 . The majority aren't poor but aren't wealthy either.
Sawa basi computer genius Pundit,Ignore the GEMA here talking in one language and listen to facebook and youtube .
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 10:29:49 AM
I ignore noise and focus on real data. I know how to read politics. I know the indicators to watch out for. I can tell you Gachagua is a hit. Not a miss. Even Azimio crew are crying.
Sawa basi computer genius Pundit,Ignore the GEMA here talking in one language and listen to facebook and youtube .
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 16, 2022, 10:31:41 AM
Gachagua is a highly divisive figure,he is a shadowy character mostly hated due to his DO and Moi linkages,this is nothing small to mlima natives,Ruto has to work overtime to try and mitigate gachagua issue,Kiambu,Muranga Kikuyu fear him,Merus loathe him even His own Nyeri kikuyu give him a wide berth.
If the narrative against gachagua gains pace then we will have some turbulence ahead. Kiambu and mUranga need to show concrete support for gachagua before anything else.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: hk on May 16, 2022, 10:31:53 AM
If Martha or PK were in Rutos camp , things would have been different . Martha has been making blunder after blunder . same with P.K. you dont make mistakes and wish to win.
Martha could have been incoming Governor of Kirinyaga . Then she went into bed with Raila.
P.K. just lost it when he started taking Murathes advice.
Gachagua has been consistent . If Moses Kuria would have been consistent then perhaps he would be the DP candidate but ulevi took toll on him and almost lead him to a bad place.
Currently as we speak any relation to Raila in GEMA is the end of political career. Ask Kiraitu and the rest.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
So it boils down to railaphobia? I thought it was kenyatta? There's also a solid 25% or there about that wont vote for ruto either, and gema leaders in azimio would just be padding that percentage. Martha/ or whomever gema leader in azimio is to take the center stage against rigathe. Provided uhuru recedes into the background. 
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Nowayhaha on May 16, 2022, 10:32:47 AM
You dont understand Mt Kenya politics. Secondly We all know why Gachagua was chosen.
1. Gachagua has deep pockets ( Once Kiunjuri dropped out of pushing for DP candidacy thats when Rigathi came out on tops)
2. Gachagua is what Ruto needed to counter Uhuru
3. Gachagua is a good mobilizer.
4.Gachagua still has connects with Uhuru ( Might disuade Uhuru going all out)
5.Gachagua is eleoquent in Gikuyu . When needed he will whip up emotions of the Gikuyu (Uhuru used this to overtake Martha circa 2010-2012)
Having said that I dont think him coming from Nyeri was a major factor .

Kiambu was out - from get go - because of Uhuru. You cant replace kiambu with Kiambu. That would have lead to major fallout. In Ruto list - none of them was even considered. Not even Kimani Wa Ichungwa who was leading the onslaught on Gachagua.
If Martha or PK were in Rutos camp , things would have been different . Martha has been making blunder after blunder . same with P.K. you dont make mistakes and wish to win.
Martha could have been incoming Governor of Kirinyaga . Then she went into bed with Raila.
P.K. just lost it when he started taking Murathes advice.
Gachagua has been consistent . If Moses Kuria would have been consistent then perhaps he would be the DP candidate but ulevi took toll on him and almost lead him to a bad place.
Currently as we speak any relation to Raila in GEMA is the end of political career. Ask Kiraitu and the rest.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 10:36:33 AM
Ruto wanted Gachagua because he was going to war - and Gachagua is a great warrior. The small boy would have been ideal if Kenyatta was not fighting Ruto. Kenyatta empire and the state is not a joke. Raila too is not a joke. So that combination - clearly Kindiki cannot make it. Moses Kuria would have made it - but he would have to be so exceptional - to have Gatundu resident replace Gatundu resident . Some things are just impossible :) Like Kuria replacing his village mate Uhuru.
You dont understand Mt Kenya politics. Secondly We all know why Gachagua was chosen.
1. Gachagua has deep pockets ( Once Kiunjuri dropped out of pushing for DP candidacy thats when Rigathi came out on tops)
2. Gachagua is what Ruto needed to counter Uhuru
3. Gachagua is a good mobilizer.
4.Gachagua still has connects with Uhuru ( Might disuade Uhuru going all out)
5.Gachagua is eleoquent in Gikuyu . When needed he will whip up emotions of the Gikuyu (Uhuru used this to overtake Martha circa 2010-2012)
Having said that I dont think him coming from Nyeri was a major factor .

Kiambu was out - from get go - because of Uhuru. You cant replace kiambu with Kiambu. That would have lead to major fallout. In Ruto list - none of them was even considered. Not even Kimani Wa Ichungwa who was leading the onslaught on Gachagua.
If Martha or PK were in Rutos camp , things would have been different . Martha has been making blunder after blunder . same with P.K. you dont make mistakes and wish to win.
Martha could have been incoming Governor of Kirinyaga . Then she went into bed with Raila.
P.K. just lost it when he started taking Murathes advice.
Gachagua has been consistent . If Moses Kuria would have been consistent then perhaps he would be the DP candidate but ulevi took toll on him and almost lead him to a bad place.
Currently as we speak any relation to Raila in GEMA is the end of political career. Ask Kiraitu and the rest.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Nowayhaha on May 16, 2022, 10:40:30 AM
Those Mps have UDA nomination certificates . They are half way to parliament . Ruto would be daft to listen to them . He just sought their opinion and if he would have gone with that he would have lost a big junk of GEMA votes . Thats the reason Ruto is where he is . Majority of the Mps told him to lead anti BBI campaign , we told him sit it out and use the courts he went with the latter . If he would have listened to ths Mps Raila would have gotten what he wanted to get a contest.

All of a sudden you guys know us more than we know ourselves  :D :D . The gema uda mps voted for kindiki who's not rich, ama they didn't know rigathi is wealthy and hardworking ? Poverty level in nyeri, meru, kiambu and kirinyaga are below 20% https://www.citizen.digital/business/kenyas-poorest-unequal-counties-report-12536724 . The majority aren't poor but aren't wealthy either.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: Nowayhaha on May 16, 2022, 10:48:10 AM

Fully agree , Gachagua got it not because he is from Nyeri but he ticked all the boxes Ruto was looking for. If Moses Kuria was consistent with what he had started in 2019 Newyear and stayed in UDA  he would also be there together with Gachagua.
The so called polls were a trick for Ruto to chose Kindiki and fall into Railas strategy of picking up P.K. /Karua . It would have been disastrous. Mps fear strong people who Gachagua is , secondly Gikuyu Mps want to create and control Gikuyu kingpin after Uhuru they knew giving Kindiki would buy them 5 years in coming up with one who they would also use to cling into their positions come 2027. Ruto was clever making phone calls directly to the people.

Ruto wanted Gachagua because he was going to war - and Gachagua is a great warrior. The small boy would have been ideal if Kenyatta was not fighting Ruto. Kenyatta empire and the state is not a joke. Raila too is not a joke. So that combination - clearly Kindiki cannot make it. Moses Kuria would have made it - but he would have to be so exceptional - to have Gatundu resident replace Gatundu resident . Some things are just impossible :) Like Kuria replacing his village mate Uhuru.
You dont understand Mt Kenya politics. Secondly We all know why Gachagua was chosen.
1. Gachagua has deep pockets ( Once Kiunjuri dropped out of pushing for DP candidacy thats when Rigathi came out on tops)
2. Gachagua is what Ruto needed to counter Uhuru
3. Gachagua is a good mobilizer.
4.Gachagua still has connects with Uhuru ( Might disuade Uhuru going all out)
5.Gachagua is eleoquent in Gikuyu . When needed he will whip up emotions of the Gikuyu (Uhuru used this to overtake Martha circa 2010-2012)
Having said that I dont think him coming from Nyeri was a major factor .

Kiambu was out - from get go - because of Uhuru. You cant replace kiambu with Kiambu. That would have lead to major fallout. In Ruto list - none of them was even considered. Not even Kimani Wa Ichungwa who was leading the onslaught on Gachagua.
If Martha or PK were in Rutos camp , things would have been different . Martha has been making blunder after blunder . same with P.K. you dont make mistakes and wish to win.
Martha could have been incoming Governor of Kirinyaga . Then she went into bed with Raila.
P.K. just lost it when he started taking Murathes advice.
Gachagua has been consistent . If Moses Kuria would have been consistent then perhaps he would be the DP candidate but ulevi took toll on him and almost lead him to a bad place.
Currently as we speak any relation to Raila in GEMA is the end of political career. Ask Kiraitu and the rest.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 16, 2022, 11:26:46 AM
Ruto is a genius. Always stick to Kikuyu proper preferably male. Other mambo jambo BS will see you lose elections by 5 PM! Ruto saw Uhuru's hand in media, polls, and three azimio sympathizers
Title: Re: Rigathi already at 80% of Kikuyus based on FB and YouTube comments
Post by: RV Pundit on May 16, 2022, 11:44:23 AM
Now you're talking - 10/10.

Fully agree , Gachagua got it not because he is from Nyeri but he ticked all the boxes Ruto was looking for. If Moses Kuria was consistent with what he had started in 2019 Newyear and stayed in UDA  he would also be there together with Gachagua.
The so called polls were a trick for Ruto to chose Kindiki and fall into Railas strategy of picking up P.K. /Karua . It would have been disastrous. Mps fear strong people who Gachagua is , secondly Gikuyu Mps want to create and control Gikuyu kingpin after Uhuru they knew giving Kindiki would buy them 5 years in coming up with one who they would also use to cling into their positions come 2027. Ruto was clever making phone calls directly to the people.

Ruto wanted Gachagua because he was going to war - and Gachagua is a great warrior. The small boy would have been ideal if Kenyatta was not fighting Ruto. Kenyatta empire and the state is not a joke. Raila too is not a joke. So that combination - clearly Kindiki cannot make it. Moses Kuria would have made it - but he would have to be so exceptional - to have Gatundu resident replace Gatundu resident . Some things are just impossible :) Like Kuria replacing his village mate Uhuru.
You dont understand Mt Kenya politics. Secondly We all know why Gachagua was chosen.
1. Gachagua has deep pockets ( Once Kiunjuri dropped out of pushing for DP candidacy thats when Rigathi came out on tops)
2. Gachagua is what Ruto needed to counter Uhuru
3. Gachagua is a good mobilizer.
4.Gachagua still has connects with Uhuru ( Might disuade Uhuru going all out)
5.Gachagua is eleoquent in Gikuyu . When needed he will whip up emotions of the Gikuyu (Uhuru used this to overtake Martha circa 2010-2012)
Having said that I dont think him coming from Nyeri was a major factor .

Kiambu was out - from get go - because of Uhuru. You cant replace kiambu with Kiambu. That would have lead to major fallout. In Ruto list - none of them was even considered. Not even Kimani Wa Ichungwa who was leading the onslaught on Gachagua.
If Martha or PK were in Rutos camp , things would have been different . Martha has been making blunder after blunder . same with P.K. you dont make mistakes and wish to win.
Martha could have been incoming Governor of Kirinyaga . Then she went into bed with Raila.
P.K. just lost it when he started taking Murathes advice.
Gachagua has been consistent . If Moses Kuria would have been consistent then perhaps he would be the DP candidate but ulevi took toll on him and almost lead him to a bad place.
Currently as we speak any relation to Raila in GEMA is the end of political career. Ask Kiraitu and the rest.

Even in Nyeri Gachagua isn't very popular other than with the usual hustler crowd.  He's a brute, stole from nyeri county when he was PA of his older brother just 6yrs ago. The much heralded mobilization skills just means he's able to pay to mobilize. Among the older crowd Rigathi isn't popular at all, even in mathira it wasn't going to be a cakewalk for him.
In kiambu where he was a DO  he isn't popular. Anyhow in a nutshell Gema is indirectly selecting its next leader, Gachagua or Karua, most gema would select karua or munya irregardless of their position in azimio.  The best thing now would be for uhuru to recede in the background and let the future leaders compete. Bottomline it'll come down to who would gema trust most . Just my layman observation.  I especially dislike his amateurish populist economic proposal of minimum guarantee returns.