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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: kadame on November 02, 2014, 01:38:21 PM

Title: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: kadame on November 02, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Saw this in a documentary advertisement. I think it's unbelievable. Can you imagine in just 10 years not having elephants in this world? Our poor children will never experience the stuff we took for granted growing up, the parks/orphanages. Just last year they said we only have 2,000 lions left or thereabouts, and maybe no more than 500 rhinos (I've never seen a rhino with my own eyes/real life, and no wonder). One of the uglier costs of modernizations, extinction of so many species. So sad.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 02, 2014, 02:02:50 PM
They can pretend to be an elephant.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 02, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
I read somewhere recently that South Africa or Zimbabwe will be culling their elephants.  I think the rhino is the one in real danger.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 02, 2014, 04:49:11 PM
We need to protect flora and fauna.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: RVtitem on November 02, 2014, 05:08:58 PM
The only thing a common kenyan can do is take a lot of elephant photos and preserve them for the next generations :)
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: kadame on November 02, 2014, 05:15:20 PM
We need to protect flora and fauna.
I think it's too late. In the end we will be left with a handful of highly protected animals kept in small protected areas, in unnatural conditions just for the sake of having them. Man is a very destructive creature. Never thinks of future generations, just today and my bank and my stomach. Elephants are among the most majestic and beautiful creatures on this earth. I cant imagine an "earth" that has no elephants....Or whales. :(
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: kadame on November 02, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
This magnificent bird was hunted to death by indigenous New Zealanders only 500 years ago. We can now only marvel at it from a reconstructed model in a museum.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Moa_mock_hunt.jpg)
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 02, 2014, 05:47:45 PM
We need to protect flora and fauna.
I think it's too late. In the end we will be left with a handful of highly protected animals kept in small protected areas, in unnatural conditions just for the sake of having them. Man is a very destructive creature. Never thinks of future generations, just today and my bank and my stomach. Elephants are among the most majestic and beautiful creatures on this earth. I cant imagine an "earth" that has no elephants....Or whales. :(

I was sort of joking. I'm sure with DNA technology we can bring them back any time if ethics approve.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: Omollo on November 02, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
The biggest poacher in Kenya ever was Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Her activities came to an end when the husband died and for once international pleas reached State House. Some of the people she had had fired for trying to stop her were given back their jobs.

Now that her son is back in the saddle, I think she has gone back to her old business. Let's stop beating about the bush with the media writing about an "influential woman" in Central Province and face The Daughter of Lucifer head on.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 02, 2014, 06:03:50 PM
I didn't peg her for a hunter. V. interesting.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: kadame on November 02, 2014, 06:06:39 PM
China is also a big problem. Apparently, most of the ivory finds its way there.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: Omollo on November 02, 2014, 06:08:26 PM
She made her billions through poaching and smuggling coffee from Uganda to sell for Idi Amin.

I didn't peg her for a hunter. V. interesting.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 02, 2014, 06:10:50 PM
Omollo, you sound like you know her personally. That sounds classified?
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 02, 2014, 06:12:36 PM
Is this a giant turkey or swan?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Moa_mock_hunt.jpg)
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: kadame on November 02, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
She made her billions through poaching and smuggling coffee from Uganda to sell for Idi Amin.

I didn't peg her for a hunter. V. interesting.
He he. The lives and times of Kenya elite. And Uganda elite. Never gets boring. I think poachers should get something like a life sentence. It's selfish to deny a country and by extension the human race such an irreplaceable treasure!

@Veritas, it's a Moa. It was in the Ostrich family, except way way bigger.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 02, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
Moa? Like as in Maori.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: kadame on November 02, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
Moa? Like as in Maori.
Don't know if that word came from them, maybe! Veritas, do you know Maori people/language? :D
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: veritas on November 03, 2014, 05:37:15 AM
Erm.. no.

(http://segdeha.com/kiwiculture/-/maori.jpg)

Love their culture though.
Title: Re: Elephants to be extinct in 10 years?
Post by: kadame on November 04, 2014, 04:05:00 PM


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The most comprehensive survey of elephant poaching to date has estimated that 100,000 African elephants were illegally killed between 2010 and 2012. These levels of poaching have driven a decrease of 2-3% of the population across the continent, the authors find, confirming that the ivory trade has reached unsustainable levels.

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Death data

The researchers began by looking at wild elephants in Kenya’s Samburu National Reserve, where every birth and death has been recorded since 1998. They used surveys of elephant carcasses to determine whether each death was attributable to natural causes, to poaching or to other causes. They found robust evidence that the rates of illegal killing began to surge in 2009. Moreover, the team showed that the poaching rates were strongly correlated with increases in the local black-market price of ivory, and with the seizures of ivory destined for China.

Next, the team used the Samburu study as a starting point to translate carcass data into illegal-killing rates for 12 populations covered by the Monitoring the Illegal Killing of Elephants (MIKE) programme of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna (CITES). Since 2002, MIKE has aimed to quantify the number of elephants killed by poachers through carcass surveys at 45 sites across Africa, but did not possess full data on population levels.

Wittemyer and his colleagues also identified proxy variables that were correlated with killing rates, including Chinese household consumption and expenditure — related to the demand for ivory — as well as an index of local-government corruption, and poverty rates. They used these to further extrapolate their model to 306 elephant populations across Africa.

At the continental scale, the poaching rate was approximately 7% per year from 2010 to 2012, the team calculated. This translates into an average of 33,630 elephants annually, based on current population estimates. Furthermore, the study corroborates earlier work2 suggesting that the total population of elephants in central Africa decreased by almost two-thirds :o between 2002 and 2012. According to Wittemyer, “what we are seeing is that there are a number of populations that are at really high risk of being wiped out”. Some populations, he adds, could be completely gone in ten years


http://www.nature.com/news/african-elephant-numbers-collapsing-1.15732

China is killing African elephants! :(