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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on May 13, 2022, 07:38:53 AM
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Look like Raila will pick Martha - and small chance for Peter - meanwhile Kalonzo is planning to run for PORK - and try to pull a 2007 - post-election coalition
https://nation.africa/africa/news/angola-bans-opinion-polls-during-electoral-campaigns-3812798
Wiper MPs told The Standard that they will complete signature collection for Mr Musyoka's candidature today and a National Management Council will endorse the move and clear the names that had been proposed.
On Monday, Wiper Party National Executive Council (NEC) unanimously approved the proposal to have Mr Musyoka run for presidency and bargain for a post-election agreement with the winner if he does not garner the magical 50 plus one votes to propel him to State House.
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Who will finance his campaigns? Muthama is no longer in his camp. Would have to sell the NYS Nyata land in order to have some financial muscle for a presidential campaign.
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Mike sonko can give him about 100M; He needs to get Wanjigi to deputize him;
Who will finance his campaigns? Muthama is no longer in his camp. Would have to sell the NYS Nyata land in order to have some financial muscle for a presidential campaign.
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You believe Sonko still has cash taps open? He lost the biggest cash tap with Nairobi County.
Mike sonko can give him about 100M; He needs to get Wanjigi to deputize him;
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Before he become mp - he had 30 accounts closed - he fraudster, land grabber, drug-dealer -
You believe Sonko still has cash taps open? He lost the biggest cash tap with Nairobi County.
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Do not forget such a lifestyle brings lots of cash but you also need lots of it to keep the guys in blue away from you. I think Sonko must have made a fortune as Nairobi governor, but unlike Kidero who invested a lot of his loot in realestate, Sonko was too much of a showoff.
Before he become mp - he had 30 accounts closed - he fraudster, land grabber, drug-dealer -
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Kalonzo has money.
Selling 3 Governor,20MP,120MCAs tickets equals to something above 300MN.Thats why mutua ran away due to zoning bullcrap because he would have been locked out of the cash party.
In the last 20 years,For him to support Kibaki in 2002 and 2007,He must have got lucrative tenders mining licenses from GOK through proxies.
Same thing in 2017,A handshake means billions of cash which he refused to share with muthama.
Solo is a billionaire.If he refused to share his 10MN a day loot from Nairobi city county for two years,We are talking billions of shillings..that's why you saw kidero son with 2BN in his account...100MN is pocket change.
Right now..Ruto can given Kalonzo even 10BN because that's a 100% sure bet win.
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Sonko is very wealthy. Dont underrate that dude. He is billioniare. He acts stupid - but he is very smart.
Do not forget such a lifestyle brings lots of cash but you also need lots of it to keep the guys in blue away from you. I think Sonko must have made a fortune as Nairobi governor, but unlike Kidero who invested a lot of his loot in realestate, Sonko was too much of a showoff.
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Let Kalonzo run,vitisho hatutaki
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Kalonzo is looking out for Kalonzo.
Not everyone was created to make Raila PORK.
Everyone has their ambition and gameplan.
Wacheni hasira na vita.
For Kalonzo this is best move if he cannot get DPORK from Raila.
Let Kalonzo run,vitisho hatutaki
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They are basically doing a dry run - selling Wiper
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All the best,kila mtu ako na haki,hakuna machungu
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Pongezi sana. Hasira hasara.We are just watching. We are not players.
All the best,kila mtu ako na haki,hakuna machungu
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With Kalonzo running, Raila will crest at 34% and Ruto at 52%. UDA will be number two in Ukambani.Raila is going NDP LDP route!
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Yes he will drop at least 10 points - kalonzo will take him 7 points - and loss of momentum another 3 percent - he will be back to 35-37
With Kalonzo running, Raila will crest at 34% and Ruto at 52%. UDA will be number two in Ukambani.Raila is going NDP LDP route!
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We will go back to Earthquake January.
Raila if he works hard and get Mt kenya DPORK to hit 35 percent in Mt kenya - will score 40 percent
If he fails - like we know he will- then he goes to 37 percent.
Ruto moves to 55 percent; Raila 37 percent; Kalonzo 8 percent;
(https://nipate.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10543.0;attach=1076;image)
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Mutula Jnr confirms
https://www.citizen.digital/news/kalonzo-will-vie-for-presidency-if-not-picked-as-railas-running-mate-mutula-kilonzo-jr-n298160
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Mutula Jnr confirms
https://www.citizen.digital/news/kalonzo-will-vie-for-presidency-if-not-picked-as-railas-running-mate-mutula-kilonzo-jr-n298160
Mutura Jnr who is Senator by accident after Jubilee made sure his sister does not contest the post has blundered all through his term. It is so fresh how he said Kalonzo would not turn up for Azimio interviews yet he did. You are wasting our time and Veritas cyber space posting links attributed to this spoilt brat trying to position himself as a hawk. Nothing he says ever happens. After Raila becomes the 5th, this fellow will join Namwamba as one of those politicians, no one wants ever to hear about.
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This is why a Kamba will never be president. This continued foolishness by Kalonzo will eventually wear people out. Always trying to get in through the back door. It makes him look weak (not willing to fight for power always expecting some sort of deal)
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He is quite likeable and will become Makueni governor.
Secondly unless you sober up and give Kalonzo.
Then we have no contest from tomorrow.
But I am sure you will unveil Kalonzo
Anything else is a disaster.
Mutura Jnr who is Senator by accident after Jubilee made sure his sister does not contest the post has blundered all through his term. It is so fresh how he said Kalonzo would not turn up for Azimio interviews yet he did. You are wasting our time and Veritas cyber space posting links attributed to this spoilt brat trying to position himself as a hawk. Nothing he says ever happens. After Raila becomes the 5th, this fellow will join Namwamba as one of those politicians, no one wants ever to hear about.
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How is that a disaster when your opinion holds away amongst only 27% of likely voters?
(https://nation.africa/resource/image/3813950/landscape_ratio2x1/720/360/a981104758f17ff78fbc2bbb97a80c30/IY/splash-graphic.jpg)
Note the word "distant" ......
Karua leads in running mate race, Wiper Party boss a distant second (https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/mudavadi-karua-lead-in-running-mate-race-wiper-party-boss-a-distant-second-3813872)
UDA game pigering debe for Watermelon is well known. Luto is losing sleep thinking that when no nonsense Martha becomes DP, first on her agenda - zero tolerance for corruption. She will starting off with the high priest himself - with all the blessing of her boss - the person who coined that phrase.
Perhaps a reminder her of my always spot prophesy?
He is quite likeable and will become Makueni governor.
Secondly unless you sober up and give Kalonzo.
Then we have no contest from tomorrow.
But I am sure you will unveil Kalonzo
Anything else is a disaster.
Mutura Jnr who is Senator by accident after Jubilee made sure his sister does not contest the post has blundered all through his term. It is so fresh how he said Kalonzo would not turn up for Azimio interviews yet he did. You are wasting our time and Veritas cyber space posting links attributed to this spoilt brat trying to position himself as a hawk. Nothing he says ever happens. After Raila becomes the 5th, this fellow will join Namwamba as one of those politicians, no one wants ever to hear about.
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Prophet Wanyonyi kweli :)
How is that a disaster when your opinion holds away amongst only 27% of likely voters?
(https://nation.africa/resource/image/3813950/landscape_ratio2x1/720/360/a981104758f17ff78fbc2bbb97a80c30/IY/splash-graphic.jpg)
Note the word "distant" ......
Karua leads in running mate race, Wiper Party boss a distant second (https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/mudavadi-karua-lead-in-running-mate-race-wiper-party-boss-a-distant-second-3813872)
UDA game pigering debe for Watermelon is well known. Luto is losing sleep thinking that when no nonsense Martha becomes DP, first on her agenda - zero tolerance for corruption. She will starting off with the high priest himself - with all the blessing of her boss - the person who coined that phrase.
Perhaps a reminder her of my always spot prophesy?
He is quite likeable and will become Makueni governor.
Secondly unless you sober up and give Kalonzo.
Then we have no contest from tomorrow.
But I am sure you will unveil Kalonzo
Anything else is a disaster.
Mutura Jnr who is Senator by accident after Jubilee made sure his sister does not contest the post has blundered all through his term. It is so fresh how he said Kalonzo would not turn up for Azimio interviews yet he did. You are wasting our time and Veritas cyber space posting links attributed to this spoilt brat trying to position himself as a hawk. Nothing he says ever happens. After Raila becomes the 5th, this fellow will join Namwamba as one of those politicians, no one wants ever to hear about.
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You and Mulu fake PhD can clutch on straws till the cocks come home. Wiper is a member of Azimio. The fellow signed on the dotted line even if he doesn't remember what he signed for. Wiper can't exit legally just now. The only way Kalonzo can be a candidate of 2022 is if he runs as an independent and even that time is running out fast!
Lawlessness won't serve you at all. Ngoja till Martha becomes DP. You will behave. Even you on this forum, your turn to be cleansed will come. She will work Top down (not bottom up) till this nation is cleansed! Pundit will go into hiding and finally get some sleep. You go gal!
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Which law will Chebukati use to bar Wiper from contesting?
Quote the section.
Mou or agreements are just contracts - with their own dispute resolutions - mechanism.
IEBC will not get into such arguments - if you feel Wiper has violated their agreement to join Azimio and have Raila as PORK - go to court.
And court already agreed with Kingi - that agreement is almost null & void - because it was signed almost under duress. That make it another BBI loading - basic contracts law - anything signed under duress is NULL & VOID.
And for goood mesaure - Wiper did inform the ODPP that Azimio agreement had been altered behind their back - so they will beat you.
In short - these coalitions agreement being deposited - cannot be enforced by law - automatically - it's like sales agreement written on a piece of paper - any disagreement - you go to court for a long process
You and Mulu fake PhD can clutch on straws till the cocks come home. Wiper is a member of Azimio. The fellow signed on the dotted line even if he doesn't remember what he signed for. Wiper can't exit legally just now. The only way Kalonzo can be a candidate of 2022 is if he runs as an independent and even that time is running out fast!
Lawlessness won't serve you at all. Ngoja till Martha becomes DP. You will behave. Even you on this forum, your turn to be cleansed will come. She will work Top down (not bottom up) till this nation is cleansed! Pundit will go into hiding and finally get some sleep. You go gal!
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Azimio so called agreement is BBI loading - null and void. The whole charade was done live on TV. Sec general just summoned and told to sign stuff as the principals need to rush to some rally in Kayole slums :) :) - jacaranda ground.
Parties that signed it -to this day are yet to see the agreement - they were just told to sign the last page. This why Kingis and Mutuas are comfortably in Kenya Kwanza. Azimio crew cannot go to court to defend their agreement. They would have to first produce that agreement that is hidden in statehouse - which declare Uhuru the defacto president :) again.
An unconscionable contract is unenforceable under the law. This is due to the fact that such a contract is highly one sided and therefore the result is that one party in the contract will suffer unfairness. In most cases, this is occasioned by the substantial bargaining power of the parties where one of the parties to the contract enjoy excess bargaining power while the other party does not.
There are various factors that make a contract between parties become unconscionable. Such factors are like Duress, undue influence unfair surprise, limiting warranty and even unequal bargaining power. This therefore means that if there was any transfer of goods or even money, the aggrieved party may claim the same back in restitution and on the just basis of unjust enrichment. This is however subject to certain defenses that may be brought by the other party.
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The Wiper party brigade, led by Makueni Member of Parliament, Daniel Maanzo already have a plan B should thing not go their way in the race to deputize Odinga.
Maanzo explained that Kalonzo will be on the ballot as the Wiper party presidential candidate, noting that the party has already collected signatures in preparation for this.
The lawmaker explained that Monday, May 16, being the deadline, will see the party make a decisive move as they have already settled on a potential running mate for Kalonzo whose name will be submitted to the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) if things fail to go their way.
"The only reason he stopped his ambitions was to support Raila as his deputy. In the event that is not there, the law does not stop him from running. In the event Raila and President Uhuru Kenyatta change their mind, we will run on our own.
"We have collected all the signatures and they are ready. On the May 16 running mate naming deadline, we cannot miss that, we have identified a suitable running mate for Kalonzo," he stated.
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Kalonzo trying to sell running mate to Gideon Moi
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Look like Gideon Moi looking also for a way out of Azimio. They are both likely to run as OKA.
(https://scontent-mrs2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/280762911_734917317946139_6238739621375398744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-6&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=ZV8S8K_XecYAX_cROi4&_nc_ht=scontent-mrs2-1.xx&oh=00_AT9s1B2F3WZzbmawU_vtIH2FGOmXOaMK1YPOrh6UllvRPA&oe=62865203)
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Pundit just for argument sake, what is in it for Gideon?
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Three theories
1) He has seen NIS reports and he wants to bail out early before Ruto train come wrecking him. He has been trying Senator or MP or?
2) He is bitter he has wasted his money - thought he would make PORK - if not DPORK. He is delusional and has never accepted WSR.
3) He think they can force a runoff by taking off Kamba vote - and negotiate with either Ruto or Raila in post-election deal.
I would go for #3 - Ruto is competing with 50% - which is no mean feat - and if Uhuru & Gideon focus on denying him 50% rather than making Raila win - that is more worthwhile venture.
That can happen if they seal off Ukambani - 10 percent off the table - and work hard in GEMA.
Once that happens - then it goes to second round - they can choose Raila or Ruto - for very SERIOUS BARGAIN - Kalonzo can ask even for 40 percent of gov.
Pundit just for argument sake, what is in it for Gideon?
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It's going down
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He has 2,000 signatures from 24,000 counties. Azimio let see if you will take fitina to Chebukati :)
https://t.co/DXLX6doMhL
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Pundit poor Kaoi was wrong number from get go. He team up with Gideon you now make that big deal yet you say zer influence at home. Poor Kaloi make strategic blunder going katikati again. Onslaught from Mama Massaa, Guvnor Kibwana and Mutua. Poor Kaloi.
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He has made his case with Kamba nation. He will get 2007 8 percent. He is finishing Raila live live. You still have 24 hours to change your mind and make him DPORK.
I will start the countdown to Raila political dead in tomorrow morning - if by midnight - Kalonzo is not DPORK - we are done with 2022 - it become Ruto versus 50 percent.
Pundit poor Kaoi was wrong number from get go. He team up with Gideon you now make that big deal yet you say zer influence at home. Poor Kaloi make strategic blunder going katikati again. Onslaught from Mama Massaa, Guvnor Kibwana and Mutua. Poor Kaloi.
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Kalonzo names already in IEBC
He will only name the running mate
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This guy looking for Azimio certificate to run away with like ODM?
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Kalonzo summon Wiper to SKM
https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/local/kalonzo-musyoka-meets-wiper-leaders-ahead-of-major-announcement/gxk9y81?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Pulse-Live-Kenya-Page-Post&fbclid=IwAR17HLcs6p6y_Q3ar3Of2QDBBeiAF9OxAvfiV2WEglQ0bkgUjfEik1GrrkE
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Wiper calls a decisive meeting
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-05-23-wiper-officials-meet-as-pressure-on-azimio-talks-mount/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter
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Wiper has fielded 400 aspirants for the county assembly seats, 11 for governor, 22 for senator and 110 for National Assembly seats.
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Still keeping the running as an option
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Pundit you have two threads open on this one subject. This one sticky and the other one also. Here you keep Poor Kaloi running as an option and the other thread you have him in Azimio. Both threads have almost zero option but you keep both so you have bragging rights. What do you want?
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This one dies when kaloi official returns to Azimio.. otherwise it lives.The other ones are daily siasa with romours flying
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Officially he is running.. because he gave out signatures.. unofficially they are negotiating.. negotiations could fall apart.Poor kaloi is something else..even in 2002 nobody was sure of he would go to kanu until last minute he showed up at Uhuru park.I remember I was at uhuru park early..I was really optimistic of a new Kenya
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Looked more than confirm - he is back to Azimio - Plan A - now it's how to explain his flip-flop to Kambas - should be easy. Just claim Ruto and team are very corrupt and will finish kenya.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-05-25-inside-kalonzos-grand-return-to-railas-azimio/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1653447190
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Still there will be some backlash, Kambas are not happy and for this they will give an answer come Aug 09. We might be back to 97 when Kambas split their votes almost evenly between Ngilu and Moi.
Kalonzo seems to have been subdued by the pressure of aspirants who want to ride on Azimio. UDA and Ruto will reap nicely in Ukambani.
Looked more than confirm - he is back to Azimio - Plan A - now it's how to explain his flip-flop to Kambas - should be easy. Just claim Ruto and team are very corrupt and will finish kenya.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-05-25-inside-kalonzos-grand-return-to-railas-azimio/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1653447190
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Yes there will be backlash - as many are already jaded with that embarrassing flipflop and dont trust Raila - Kalonzo himself will have quite a problem campaigning. Uhuru had improved to 20-30 - I see Ruto improving to 30-40 percent of Ukambani. Kalonzo still has an edge...and depending on how Ruto respond to his propaganda...he could do damage because end of the day he will have good explanation to give.
Wiper Aspirants know UDA is their main competition on the ground. They know without the party ticket advantage - their bids will become in danger. They know if Kalonzo go to KK - they are finished.
Still there will be some backlash, Kambas are not happy and for this they will give an answer come Aug 09. We might be back to 97 when Kambas split their votes almost evenly between Ngilu and Moi.
Kalonzo seems to have been subdued by the pressure of aspirants who want to ride on Azimio. UDA and Ruto will reap nicely in Ukambani.
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Then worse is that unlike his wiper aspirants who mighr win seats he is going to stay in the cold for another 5 years.
He rejected same position 10 years ago which would have made him stronger in 2022. Now Raila has downgraded him further.
Best thing for him in join KK and get a share of government and start playing smart politics of 2027.
The next 5 years will see an emergence of new leaders in Lower Eastern and Ukambani. GEMA are on their Third new leader , Kalenjins on their 2ns new leader times up for the other region.
Yes there will be backlash - as many are already jaded with that embarrassing flipflop and dont trust Raila - Kalonzo himself will have quite a problem campaigning. Uhuru had improved to 20-30 - I see Ruto improving to 30-40 percent of Ukambani. Kalonzo still has an edge...and depending on how Ruto respond to his propaganda...he could do damage because end of the day he will have good explanation to give.
Wiper Aspirants know UDA is their main competition on the ground. They know without the party ticket advantage - their bids will become in danger. They know if Kalonzo go to KK - they are finished.
Still there will be some backlash, Kambas are not happy and for this they will give an answer come Aug 09. We might be back to 97 when Kambas split their votes almost evenly between Ngilu and Moi.
Kalonzo seems to have been subdued by the pressure of aspirants who want to ride on Azimio. UDA and Ruto will reap nicely in Ukambani.
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1) He cant resist Uhuru/Gideon money
2) He cant resist wiper aspirants fear of UDA.
So he is going to make big mistake - because if I were him 1) it would either be running hoping to trigger a runoff and negotiate from strength 2) join KK to finish off elections now. After what Raila has done to him the last 10yrs - going back is almost laughable - Raila might even drop him and put Ngilu to completely finish him.
Then worse is that unlike his wiper aspirants who mighr win seats he is going to stay in the cold for another 5 years.
He rejected same position 10 years ago which would have made him stronger in 2022. Now Raila has downgraded him further.
Best thing for him in join KK and get a share of government and start playing smart politics of 2027.
The next 5 years will see an emergence of new leaders in Lower Eastern and Ukambani. GEMA are on their Third new leader , Kalenjins on their 2ns new leader times up for the other region.
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Kalonzo present his signatures yesterday so officially still running.
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Kalonzo out of last 16th?
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/world/2022-05-27-iebc-locks-kalonzo-out-of-presidential-race/
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Kalonzo back - ?
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Still on for clearance;
https://www.citizen.digital/news/wiper-party-kalonzo-musyoka-still-in-presidential-race-n299072
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Back to plan A..end of thread
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Lol...moas say what now?
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Lol...moas say what now?
it remains largely unchanged..I had not made any changes because I was not sure if kalonzo will run..so few updates as far as I see..47 versus 52.with 1 percent for others..Ruto will move to 54 versus 45 percent..due to collapse of Uhuru in gema, Ruto new game in kilifi/mijikenda and I think ukambani will not be as high as 2017..Raila will drop at least 10 percent more to Ruto camp for all these endless drama