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Title: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 06:52:51 AM
That means more trouble for Raila in coast n machakos Muthama get some support

Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Githunguri on May 09, 2022, 08:24:55 AM
Non starter it's like karua and Gideon joining azimio
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 09, 2022, 08:29:12 AM
Non starter it's like karua and Gideon joining azimio
Amazon Kingi is big in the coast. Coast now tilts Kenya Kwanza. Luos in Mombasa and few other groups will be dwarfed by Mijikenda groups solidly coming behind DP.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 09:53:43 AM
Yes with Sonko assault in Mombasa; Joho can no longer can hide behind Mijikenda. Kingi & Mvurya can easily bring the Mijikenda and attack the Arab/Swahili of Mombasa colonization and emasculation - that is helped by bribed Odinga and automaton Luos of Mombasa.

This one is good like Weta - weta people dont realize is better deal than maDVD.

Amazon Kingi is big in the coast. Coast now tilts Kenya Kwanza. Luos in Mombasa and few other groups will be dwarfed by Mijikenda groups solidly coming behind DP.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 11:21:33 AM
Few hours remaining before mid night today for those who want to join - and then end of pre-election coalition

Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 12:06:22 PM
Mutua is crying about zoning.. with Kibwana. I think it Kalonzo minimum to give up DPORK. It possible Ngilu, Kibwana could be only ones not on Wiper tickets in entire Ukambani.

With this news it obvious Kalonzo is in Azimio to stay - as undisputed Kamba king.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 12:09:57 PM
About PAA - let see if UDA can step down foe them in Kilifi and Mombasa  :)

Aisha Jumwa and Sarai to step down?

PAA guy has 1% vs 9% Sarai in Mombasa - stepping down has in fact no consequence. It remain Nassir vs Sonko.

Kwale is another UDA vs PAA nightmare - ODM guys might sneak in easy.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 12:11:49 PM
Kalonzo has always been Wiper/Ukambani king pin. You cannot give him what he has :)

His options are basically four.
1) 5 hours to join Kenya Kwanza
2) 6 days to be running mate of Raila. That would mean uhuru and raila holding another crisis meeting and canceling the interviews
3) 7 days to present his running mate and run as for president. Wiper can argue Azimio agreement is null & void & chebukati doesnt care.
4) All the time to remain in Azimio-Oka and wait for any other position in unlikely event Azimio wins.

Based on most of his key advisors and looking at Azimio tea leaves.

Option 3# is now the card most likely to be played.

Kalonzo will run for president - he might get Jimmy Wanjigi as his running mate.

With this news it obvious Kalonzo is in Azimio to stay - as undisputed Kamba king.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 12:19:13 PM
Dream on. Azimio has told Mutua there will bw no Chap Chap candidates in Kamba. Mutua is now praising Ruto  :) - even the media guys were laughing at the presser.

It is not clear if UDA Muthama will now run on Chap Chap - or both he & Chap Chap guy will face Wavinya.

Kalonzo is not running.

Kalonzo has always been Wiper/Ukambani king pin. You cannot give him what he has :)

His options are basically four.
1) 5 hours to join Kenya Kwanza
2) 6 days to running mate of Raila.
3) 7 days to present wiper and run as for president. Wiper can argue Azimio agreement is null & void & chebukati doesnt care.
4) All the time to remain in Azimio-Oka and wait for any other position.

Based on most of his key advisors and looking at Azimio tea leaves.

Option 3# is now on cards. Kalonzo will run for president - he might get Jimmy as his running mate.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 12:23:03 PM
Weka bitcoin ka-moya hapa; this one will be resolve in few days; week maximum.

Wiper is only afraid of UDA in Ukambani.
Not useless MCC or Narc or Azimio.
The most competitive party in Ukambani after Wiper is UDA.
Mutua obviously thought he was going to make DPORK or get one of BBI things.
The same with Kivutha.
They didnt even make it to Azimio council. Charity obviously is Raila girlfriend and made it.
And that was real dealbreaker for Mutua and Kibwana...

Kalonzo bare irreducible minimum is very obvious - DPORK.

I dont see him ceding any INCH in that demand.

It's a deal breaker.

If Kalonzo now run as Wiper - Wiper will sweep Ukambani. Then he will hope none of the two meet the 50 percent requirement - and come 2nd round he can demand anything to break the stalemate.

It's 2007 script for Kalonzo

Dream on. Azimio has told Mutua there will bw no Chap Chap candidates in Kamba. Mutua is now praising Ruto  :) - even the media guys were laughing at the presser.

It is not clear if UDA Muthama will now run on Chap Chap - or both he & Chap Chap guy will face Wavinya.

Kalonzo is not running.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 12:31:39 PM
Kingi has managed to stay the Azimio la Utapeli

Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 12:43:17 PM
Three more parties

I wont be suprised if Kivutha and Gideon Moi are part of them

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Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: gout on May 09, 2022, 12:53:24 PM
Mutua can now go to Canberra as the HC to play with his boys.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Pajero on May 09, 2022, 01:38:11 PM
Mutua supported jubilee in both 2013 and 2017 elections,he helped jubilee get 12% if votes in machakos.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Gideon to join Ruto  :) you must be really desperate.

Three more parties

I wont be suprised if Kivutha and Gideon Moi are part of them

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Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 02:20:38 PM
That only way he can survive in Baringo and the entire of his KANU brigade.
Gideon to join Ruto  :) you must be really desperate.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
Mutua supported jubilee in both 2013 and 2017 elections,he helped jubilee get 12% if votes in machakos.

Mutua never delivered anything to Jubilee - he barely scraped through by 2% to Wavinya  - those 10% are Kikuyu diaspora in Ukambani. Mutua actually used to pay some lip service to Uhuru but effectively stayed neutral - claiming he had no real issues with Kalonzo.

Chap Chap managed only 1 MP in entire Ukambani. Even Jubilee had more.

The only other Chap Chap Kamba MP is in Lamu West.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 02:25:54 PM
The Mois will die first before joining Ruto. They don't need Ruto or UDA to win - that is long tried & tested. You can twist facts about 2017 - but it Uhuru who went to beg Moi Sr for Gideon to back him not the reverse - cause Raila was breathing down his neck.

So long as it Ruto vs Moi - Tugen will defend their man - and Cheptumo will get dog beating like Chelugui.

That only way he can survive in Baringo and the entire of his KANU brigade.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 02:31:30 PM
Kingi seem to have chicken
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Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 02:32:16 PM
Kuna moja Baringo central

Mutua never delivered anything to Jubilee - he barely scraped through by 2% to Wavinya  - those 10% are Kikuyu diaspora in Ukambani. Mutua actually used to pay some lip service to Uhuru but effectively stayed neutral - claiming he had no real issues with Kalonzo.

Chap Chap managed only 1 MP in entire Ukambani. Even Jubilee had more.

The only other Chap Chap Kamba MP is in Lamu West.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 02:34:43 PM
Half Moi family support Ruto - led by Philip Moi. They are engaged in bitter fallout over Mzee wealth. Gideon knows if he backs Raila - he aint getting DPORK or PORK (his main objective) - and now has scaled down to MP/Senator - and he knows that ground is very hostile.

Remember this is not the usual time - this is Ruto a kalenjin running for PORK - Tugen dont want to hear nonsense kama Moi saa hii - because everyone knows Ruto has one leg inside statehouse. Gideon had promised Tugen he would be equal to task - he has failed - not even DPORK :)

Two reasons Gideon will likely back Ruto - 1) He is going to be finished by Ruto and his siblings 2) He is not winning anything but his KANU will be dead 3) Ruto look likely to win.

As things become elephants - even Uhuru Kinyasaa will face Sugoi :) :) - these people have so much wealth to lose - and Ruto ndio huyo looking unstoppable - all their plans have failed - BBI maji - Azimio ndio hiyo - running mate stress.

The Mois will die first before joining Ruto. They don't need Ruto or UDA to win - that is long tried & tested. You can twist facts about 2017 - but it Uhuru who went to beg Moi Sr for Gideon to back him not the reverse - cause Raila was breathing down his neck.

So long as it Ruto vs Moi - Tugen will defend their man - and Cheptumo will get dog beating like Chelugui.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 02:36:20 PM
Anything is possible. Obvious this is not 2007 - Kalonzo is demanding mere DPORK unlike then he refused to be Raila VP.

You wish Kalonzo goes for it - as independent  :) - but Kalonzo & his hardliners are already actually campaigning for Raila as they demand DPORK. They are not neutral. He has said himself he does not have to be DPORK.

Ukambani will be zoned...

Kalonzo will tell Kamba: look, Wiper is 3-leg principal with JP & ODM. We will get 30% of GoK. Please vote Wiper to safe-guard the deal.

Kalonzo will deliver 95% for Raila.

Weka bitcoin ka-moya hapa; this one will be resolve in few days; week maximum.

Wiper is only afraid of UDA in Ukambani.
Not useless MCC or Narc or Azimio.
The most competitive party in Ukambani after Wiper is UDA.
Mutua obviously thought he was going to make DPORK or get one of BBI things.
The same with Kivutha.
They didnt even make it to Azimio council. Charity obviously is Raila girlfriend and made it.
And that was real dealbreaker for Mutua and Kibwana...

Kalonzo bare irreducible minimum is very obvious - DPORK.

I dont see him ceding any INCH in that demand.

It's a deal breaker.

If Kalonzo now run as Wiper - Wiper will sweep Ukambani. Then he will hope none of the two meet the 50 percent requirement - and come 2nd round he can demand anything to break the stalemate.

It's 2007 script for Kalonzo
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 02:40:14 PM
I dont wish. It what they have said. I have listened to his 3 key men ( Wambua, Kilonzo and certificate odm fellow).
They said option
1) DPORK - their bare minimum demand in Azimio.
And option 2) Wiper run - wiper gave our Kalonzo name to IEBC already as presidential candidate.

For now Option 1 is not completely extinguished. They gave deadline of tomorrow. For now they will blow hot and cold. Raila just need to exclude Kalonzo and then Kalonzo make the move.

Kalonzo will therefore run as Wiper unless Raila makes him Dpork.

He will then do post-election coalition - either with Ruto or Azimio - if there is a stalemate (Ruto doesnt hit 50 percent) - or he just become opposition leader after Raila retires.

For now what you're saying makes no sense. You cannot take yourself out in pre-election coalition deal if you're as strong as Kalonzo.

MaDVD is weak...Kalonzo is twice strong.


Anything is possible. Obvious this is not 2007 - Kalonzo is demanding mere DPORK unlike then he refused to be Raila VP.

You wish Kalonzo goes for it - as independent  :) - but Kalonzo & his hardliners are already actually campaigning for Raila as they demand DPORK. They are not neutral. He has said himself he does not have to be DPORK.

Ukambani will be zoned...

Kalonzo will tell Kamba: look, Wiper is 3-leg principal with JP & ODM. We will get 30% of GoK. Please vote Wiper to safe-guard the deal.

Kalonzo will deliver 95% for Raila.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 03:01:09 PM
Robina, hold this mursik guard for me, I hear Wiper democratic party, is already in court to leave Azimio
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 03:29:14 PM
The Mois never joined Ruto even when he was pretending to go for PORK in 2012. RV was zoned for URP but Gideon and Raymond won.

It simple formula for Tugen - Ruto PORK, Gideon senator. That well known pride of fringe sub-tribes like Tugen, Pokot or Meru.

Half Moi family support Ruto - led by Philip Moi. They are engaged in bitter fallout over Mzee wealth. Gideon knows if he backs Raila - he aint getting DPORK or PORK (his main objective) - and now has scaled down to MP/Senator - and he knows that ground is very hostile.

Remember this is not the usual time - this is Ruto a kalenjin running for PORK - Tugen dont want to hear nonsense kama Moi saa hii - because everyone knows Ruto has one leg inside statehouse. Gideon had promised Tugen he would be equal to task - he has failed - not even DPORK :)

Two reasons Gideon will likely back Ruto - 1) He is going to be finished by Ruto and his siblings 2) He is not winning anything but his KANU will be dead 3) Ruto look likely to win.

As things become elephants - even Uhuru Kinyasaa will face Sugoi :) :) - these people have so much wealth to lose - and Ruto ndio huyo looking unstoppable - all their plans have failed - BBI maji - Azimio ndio hiyo - running mate stress.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 03:37:16 PM
Yes we are arguing on basis of Kalonzo having some brain & oomph - unlike Mdvd the bimbo.

Kalonzo is demanding DPORK - how does running as 3rd horse get him that? In the past - 2007 - running gave him VP cause old katiba. Now it doesn't make sense.

About deals - he gets 30% 3-leg now in Azimio - obviosuly he cannot get that in KK - nor any better in run-off deal. Azimio deal is much better because during run-off anyone can promise anything.

Only thing Kalonzo gets as 3rd horse - is to sweep Kamba - which can still get now by zoning. It explains Mutua decamping to KK - why else? If Kalonzo was running alone Mutua & Kibwana would not be making noise.

I dont wish. It what they have said. I have listened to his 3 key men ( Wambua, Kilonzo and certificate odm fellow).
They said option
1) DPORK - their bare minimum demand in Azimio.
And option 2) Wiper run - wiper gave our Kalonzo name to IEBC already as presidential candidate.

For now Option 1 is not completely extinguished. They gave deadline of tomorrow. For now they will blow hot and cold. Raila just need to exclude Kalonzo and then Kalonzo make the move.

Kalonzo will therefore run as Wiper unless Raila makes him Dpork.

He will then do post-election coalition - either with Ruto or Azimio - if there is a stalemate (Ruto doesnt hit 50 percent) - or he just become opposition leader after Raila retires.

For now what you're saying makes no sense. You cannot take yourself out in pre-election coalition deal if you're as strong as Kalonzo.

MaDVD is weak...Kalonzo is twice strong.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 03:42:02 PM
Pundit, just this: if Kalonzo was shipping out - why would Mutua decamp?
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 03:48:11 PM
Hardball tactics.. Ukambani will be zoned for Wiper.

If you explain how Nairobi has Jubilee-Wiper governor ticket.. unveiled by Raila & Kalonzo in person. I see no real sign of decamping. 2007 was real war - this is just soft to kick out Mutua & Kibwana - small boys & girls disrespecting Kalonzo the big boy. Raila will just swallow hard and tell Ngilu & Kibwana sorry, only Wiper is allowed to run under Azimio.

Robina, hold this mursik guard for me, I hear Wiper democratic party, is already in court to leave Azimio
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 03:50:07 PM
This Mutula dude is a real hardliner. He can easily take from Kalonzo after he retire. Unlike useless Muthama.

Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 04:05:39 PM
Those are appertizers like ANC/Ford-K negotiating to keep away UDA in western+tranzoia.
The real course - Kalonzo wants deputy PORK - he doesnt want sijui salads or vegies or managu
Lazima - if he has missed PORK - he wants DPORK
If not no deal - you can undo the rest.
It doesnt serve kalonzo - those are things for his boys and girls.
What is in it for KALONZO the man - and his ambition to be president.
Anything less than DPORK is asking him to retire.
Kalonzo want to be one waiting for Raila to die in office or get too sick to function or get impeached.
Hardball tactics.. Ukambani will be zoned for Wiper.

If you explain how Nairobi has Jubilee-Wiper governor ticket.. unveiled by Raila & Kalonzo in person. I see no real sign of decamping. 2007 was real war - this is just soft to kick out Mutua & Kibwana - small boys & girls disrespecting Kalonzo the big boy. Raila will just swallow hard and tell Ngilu & Kibwana sorry, only Wiper is allowed to run under Azimio.

Robina, hold this mursik guard for me, I hear Wiper democratic party, is already in court to leave Azimio
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 04:18:28 PM
We will see in few days. At least you seem to accept there is no chance of joining KK.

Best time to demand DPORK was at KICC.

Those are appertizers like ANC/Ford-K negotiating to keep away UDA in western+tranzoia.
The real course - Kalonzo wants deputy PORK - he doesnt want sijui salads or vegies or managu
Lazima - if he has missed PORK - he wants DPORK
If not no deal - you can undo the rest.
It doesnt serve kalonzo - those are things for his boys and girls.
What is in it for KALONZO the man - and his ambition to be president.
Anything less than DPORK is asking him to retire.
Kalonzo want to be one waiting for Raila to die in office or get too sick to function or get impeached.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: GeeMail on May 09, 2022, 04:20:59 PM
Once dust settle you ask what does Alfred Mutua gain in Kwisha? Will he get DP slot or front seat in rallies? Then?
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 04:36:42 PM
I accept facts. They are very stubborn things. You need to learn that.
I believe he demanded it and was promised - or well he assumed it was obvious.
The problem it turnout - everyone has been promised the thing.
And they also promised BBI will pass :)
Sasa ni vita ya mkia.
We will see in few days. At least you seem to accept there is no chance of joining KK.

Best time to demand DPORK was at KICC.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 09, 2022, 04:47:19 PM
I hear Jubilee wants out too but they don't know how to make a move. Uhuru, the drunkard is kaput!
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 05:06:47 PM
Must be pressure from aspirants who feel they are getting yoked and choked to death by association with ODM.
And to make matters worse Uhuru has refuse to fund them unless they put image of Raila and campaign for Azimio.

Siku ya nyani kufa miti yote uteleza kweli

I hear Jubilee wants out too but they don't know how to make a move. Uhuru, the drunkard is kaput!
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 05:25:53 PM
Kingi finally ameingia. Now Ruto has three months to work on Mijikenda. Mvurya-Kingi-Aisha will dwarf the fake Sultan (whose hands is already full dealing with Sonko). No more Sultan colonizing Mijikenda.

Same scorch earth strategy that has reclaimed Luhyas from Odingaism is needed in Kilifi, Kwale and Mombasa.

UDA should support Wiper in Mombasa - if Wiper support UDA in Kwale and Taita Taveta.

Kingi-Aisha should cooperate in Kilifi.

Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: audacityofhope on May 09, 2022, 05:30:58 PM
Regardless it didn't stop him from going on a rant about being "the most stupid person if he were to deputize Raila for the 3rd time"
Those are appertizers like ANC/Ford-K negotiating to keep away UDA in western+tranzoia.
The real course - Kalonzo wants deputy PORK - he doesnt want sijui salads or vegies or managu
Lazima - if he has missed PORK - he wants DPORK
If not no deal - you can undo the rest.
It doesnt serve kalonzo - those are things for his boys and girls.
What is in it for KALONZO the man - and his ambition to be president.
Anything less than DPORK is asking him to retire.
Kalonzo want to be one waiting for Raila to die in office or get too sick to function or get impeached.
Hardball tactics.. Ukambani will be zoned for Wiper.

If you explain how Nairobi has Jubilee-Wiper governor ticket.. unveiled by Raila & Kalonzo in person. I see no real sign of decamping. 2007 was real war - this is just soft to kick out Mutua & Kibwana - small boys & girls disrespecting Kalonzo the big boy. Raila will just swallow hard and tell Ngilu & Kibwana sorry, only Wiper is allowed to run under Azimio.

Robina, hold this mursik guard for me, I hear Wiper democratic party, is already in court to leave Azimio
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Githunguri on May 09, 2022, 05:31:33 PM
This Mutula dude is a real hardliner. He can easily take from Kalonzo after he retire. Unlike useless Muthama.


Uhuru won't campaign for Jaluo and Kamba.As long as a Kikuyu is not given Raila running mate,He will continue locking himself inside statehouse and let Ruto win.

Anything else is NONSENSE.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Fairandbalanced on May 09, 2022, 06:29:26 PM
Poor Mutua, Jaluo stole his wife and he has never been the same. I still like the guy though, I do not know what he gains or brings to Wezi party but it seems to be minuscule.
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 09, 2022, 06:39:07 PM
Must be pressure from aspirants who feel they are getting yoked and choked to death by association with ODM.
And to make matters worse Uhuru has refuse to fund them unless they put image of Raila and campaign for Azimio.

Siku ya nyani kufa miti yote uteleza kweli

I hear Jubilee wants out too but they don't know how to make a move. Uhuru, the drunkard is kaput!
Yes, ODM is a real drag! On the other hand Uhuru is unusually quiet though, there might be something cooking. Uhuru may leave senile Raila kwa mataa!
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: Nefertiti on May 09, 2022, 10:00:34 PM
Must be pressure from aspirants who feel they are getting yoked and choked to death by association with ODM.
And to make matters worse Uhuru has refuse to fund them unless they put image of Raila and campaign for Azimio.

Siku ya nyani kufa miti yote uteleza kweli

I hear Jubilee wants out too but they don't know how to make a move. Uhuru, the drunkard is kaput!
Yes, ODM is a real drag! On the other hand Uhuru is unusually quiet though, there might be something cooking. Uhuru may leave senile Raila kwa mataa!

 :) Uhuru is right about not funding guys who don't do Raila bidding. If you want to just campaign for yourself why not go independent?
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: sema on May 09, 2022, 10:09:45 PM
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He is going to be finished by Ruto and his siblings

How is ruto going to take the Moi and Kenyatta wealth? isn't he better off doing what kibaki did by telling them to pay up in exchange for "immunity"?

Also, what is the fight about over Moi's wealth? Didn't Moi have a will?
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 10:19:29 PM
State capture.
They have cornered key economic sectors.
They have regulators in bed.
Tax authority in bed.
That has to end.
And like kibaki trancenturies and east africa cable - their companies will fill for bankruptcy.
Because they are use to unfavourable competing ground
New local and foreign players will join - and competition will thrive.
How is ruto going to take the Moi and Kenyatta wealth? isn't he better off doing what kibaki did by telling them to pay up in exchange for "immunity"?

Also, what is the fight about over Moi's wealth? Didn't Moi have a will?
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on May 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
Mwangi Wa Iria to be in Karen Kesho to endorse one and only William Samoei Ruto. The mountain, according to him is 99% UDA
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 10:37:03 PM
He should be given singular job to dismantle Brookside. You cannot corner the milk market.
Mwangi Wa Iria to be in Karen Kesho to endorse one and only William Samoei Ruto. The mountain, according to him is 99% UDA
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: sema on May 09, 2022, 10:56:40 PM
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State capture.
They have cornered key economic sectors.
They have regulators in bed.
Tax authority in bed.
That has to end.
And like kibaki trancenturies and east africa cable - their companies will fill for bankruptcy.
Because they are use to unfavourable competing ground
New local and foreign players will join - and competition will thrive.

You don't think Ruto, like Kibaki will be involved in his own state capture? The goodies are too enticing to be left on the table.  I remember how that young CEO at Transcentury was praised for his "brilliance" and nobody questioned the crony capitalism that was happening. Wonder what he is doing now?

Did Moi not leave a will or does Gideon want it all?
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2022, 11:13:07 PM
Moi has been senile for 20yrs and Gideon has transferred most of wealth to himself; leaving what to be divided to stuff like land.
Did Moi not leave a will or does Gideon want it all?
Title: Re: PAA kingi and Mutua joins Kenya kwanza
Post by: sema on May 09, 2022, 11:31:51 PM
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Moi has been senile for 20yrs and Gideon has transferred most of wealth to himself; leaving what to be divided to stuff like land.

This is why Africans will never create generational wealth.  I wonder if in other kleptocracies the corrupt wealth generated lasts beyond the 2nd generation. The kenyatta's and Mo's are in the 2nd generation. Will the 3rd generation keep it? Money not earned through real production is rarely kept.