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Title: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 08, 2022, 06:26:06 PM
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 08, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
Not to do the nipate thing and brag, but, but . . . I did call it. :D Macron was a shoo-in till about a minute ago. Now he's fighting for his life! Poor guy. And he's among the more reasonable ones in the EU. Tried really hard to find an amicable solution. Even grumbled about the US escalating things just before the war started. I read Scholz, too, begged Zelensky to commit to neutrality before the war, warning things were getting really bad really fast, and Zelensky didn't care.

Repeating for the fourth time: Damn unlucky time to be up for re-election (specially in Europe!) But if this isn't resolved, it'll be even worse next year! Life will be ten times more difficult than the mild inconveniences starting to spook Europeans now (I understand in Germany, everything at the store is already 50% to 100% over the normal price (some 200%!), in just a couple of weeks(!) not to mention the gas).

People lose their idealism really fast when life gets tough and real . . . specially ones as spoilt as modern, comfortable, welfare-nurtured, vacation-going, average Europeans. People don't appreciate how comfortable the normal European is vs the rest of the world; they are NOT the nearly 50% Americans working several jobs, no paid leave, no real vacations, etc.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Pundit on April 08, 2022, 06:50:33 PM
Yeah he is gone..the French distrust politicians and now COVID plus Ukraine war..hard to see folks giving incumbents a second chance.They will punish sitting gov
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 08, 2022, 07:13:48 PM
To be fair about Biden, though: Dude was already drowning long be4 Ukraine. Life getting harder for normal folks can only make things worse.

Btw, Le Pen has been warning the French that pushing Russia towards China or letting them join up with China is the worst thing on earth. She did it again just two days ago:

Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Georgesoros on April 11, 2022, 02:40:31 AM
I guess the same pollsters forecast Hillary win.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kadudu on April 11, 2022, 10:12:52 AM
Btw, the number 3 in the elections Mélenchon with his 22% has told his supporters no one vote for Marine Le Pen. So now you can continue talking of Macron in past tense.

The total votes for the far rightare about 30%. Add a few more far left who will vote for Le Pen comes up to about 40%. The socialists and conservertives cannot vote for Le pen. Her chances of getting 50% are much less than Macron. In 2017 Macron had after the first round 24% and Le Pen 21%. 
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 10:14:48 AM
Come up again?
Btw, the number 3 in the elections Mélenchon with his 22% has told his supporters no one vote for Marine Le Pen. So now you can continue talking of Macron in past tense.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 10:15:20 AM
Look like there is run-off
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2022/apr/10/french-election-2022-projected-result-and-latest-results
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 10:18:56 AM
Now understood - Le Pen is dead - and that is good news for France and Europe - she seem a racist who will undo all the gains in EU.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 11, 2022, 10:44:20 AM
Kadudu , you forget Brexit and Trumps win. We have 15 days and the last debate will be a major factor.
Be patient , Lets wait and see. Everyone knew Macron would take it the first round however no one is as confident for the second round.

Btw, the number 3 in the elections Mélenchon with his 22% has told his supporters no one vote for Marine Le Pen. So now you can continue talking of Macron in past tense.

The total votes for the far rightare about 30%. Add a few more far left who will vote for Le Pen comes up to about 40%. The socialists and conservertives cannot vote for Le pen. Her chances of getting 50% are much less than Macron. In 2017 Macron had after the first round 24% and Le Pen 21%.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 11, 2022, 11:38:18 AM
Geopolitics masters I presume, You don't have a problem with a known racist Le Pen winning but are against Ukrainian fighting for their land and freedom,sounds like lunacy to me.
Back to France the country is a nobody in the greater equation of things,the french are cowardly people never won any war and obviously they won't want a war. They have been perennially rescused by the anglo saxons,first world war, second world war in Vietnam they suffered from dien peu fever a bunch of spinless idiots,not to mention when Napoleon invaded Russia it ended very badly for them,if it wasn't for the English the french would been speaking German. In west Africa they have run entire counties down with their inept, about 30% GDP of France comes from west Africa,still modern day slave countries and thats why English and French colonized countries are worlds apart even in Africa
Now back to modern day,the English rightly mistrust the spineless french just like slimy snails the are slippery and highly unreliable. I will leave you guys with more content on the French for you genius geo politician to use
https://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_humor_complete_list_of_french_jokes.asp
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 11, 2022, 11:57:55 AM
Geopolitics masters I presume, You don't have a problem with a known racist Le Pen winning but are against Ukrainian fighting for their land and freedom,sounds like lunacy to me.

Who said I want Le Pen, to win? Hebu soma vizuri . . .

Not to do the nipate thing and brag, but, but . . . I did call it. :D Macron was a shoo-in till about a minute ago. Now he's fighting for his life! Poor guy. And he's among the more reasonable ones in the EU. Tried really hard to find an amicable solution. Even grumbled about the US escalating things just before the war started. I read Scholz, too, begged Zelensky to commit to neutrality before the war, warning things were getting really bad really fast, and Zelensky didn't care.

Repeating for the fourth time: Damn unlucky time to be up for re-election (specially in Europe!)

Macron tried hard to find peace. So did the German Chancelor. They've been forced by the U.S. basically, but they don't want tensions with Russia. If they lose to reactionaries/rivals because of economic hardships, that will be unfortunate. And they will not be the only ones. Le Pen has been milking this Russian thing, as expected. Many other similar groups will be taking advantage elsewhere.

My hope is EU independence from US/NATO, (Meaning operating their own army plus leaving/dissolving NATO, plus deeper integration). It is NOT in EU breakup like far-right groups want (Brexits). EU breakup is a really dumb thing for a third-worlder to root for(!) It means more concentration of power globally in US/China alone. What I want is a multipolar world with at least 4/5 great powers at the same time (US/EU/China/India/Russia).

Any baafrika who cares about small countries getting fair shots and knows the brutality of international politics should want the same thing! Wanting EU breakup is as dumb as wanting Russian breakup/total defeat or wanting China's decline or hoping India doesn't continue to rise. It shows one is far more lost in the interests of great powers maintaining hegemony than in things getting fairer for small, weak countries.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 11, 2022, 12:00:27 PM
...and oh yes I hate the French I did even rather entertain the Stupid Russians any day at least they are brave people,I also leave you with below quote
"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." --- P.J O'Rourke (1989)

Boy I was soo glad when the English betrayed them on the Australian submarine deal they figured out they can't trust them.

Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: audacityofhope on April 11, 2022, 12:47:38 PM
It isn't everyday that I am transfixed on a post from @Njuri Ncheke, but this one was well articulated. If @Veritas was updating reputation points, I would have put a whooping 50 on this post alone.  :PDT_Armataz_01_37: :sign0098:
I love posts like these which are supported. You cannot go against an argument when so much is cited as example from history. We say if you fail to learn from mistakes in history, then you are bound to repeat them.

That does not overlook the fact that Njuri - on account of your age which lies in same bracket as mine - this forum is not a level playing field and you took advantage of @Dear Baby's youth and inexperience in the exchange.

Geopolitics masters I presume, You don't have a problem with a known racist Le Pen winning but are against Ukrainian fighting for their land and freedom,sounds like lunacy to me.
Back to France the country is a nobody in the greater equation of things,the french are cowardly people never won any war and obviously they won't want a war. They have been perennially rescused by the anglo saxons,first world war, second world war in Vietnam they suffered from dien peu fever a bunch of spinless idiots,not to mention when Napoleon invaded Russia it ended very badly for them,if it wasn't for the English the french would been speaking German. In west Africa they have run entire counties down with their inept, about 30% GDP of France comes from west Africa,still modern day slave countries and thats why English and French colonized countries are worlds apart even in Africa
Now back to modern day,the English rightly mistrust the spineless french just like slimy snails the are slippery and highly unreliable. I will leave you guys with more content on the French for you genius geo politician to use
https://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_humor_complete_list_of_french_jokes.asp
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 11, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Kadudu , you forget Brexit and Trumps win. We have 15 days and the last debate will be a major factor.
Be patient , Lets wait and see. Everyone knew Macron would take it the first round however no one is as confident for the second round.

Btw, the number 3 in the elections Mélenchon with his 22% has told his supporters no one vote for Marine Le Pen. So now you can continue talking of Macron in past tense.

The total votes for the far rightare about 30%. Add a few more far left who will vote for Le Pen comes up to about 40%. The socialists and conservertives cannot vote for Le pen. Her chances of getting 50% are much less than Macron. In 2017 Macron had after the first round 24% and Le Pen 21%.

Orange Mussolini lost.  Badly.  He insists he won though.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 11, 2022, 12:57:55 PM
That does not overlook the fact that Njuri, given your age which is same bracket as mine, this forum is not a level playing field and you took advantage of @Dear Baby's youth and inexperience in the exchange.

The only thing Njuri said directly to me was his insinuation/accusation (quite mistaken!) that I think it's a good thing for leaders of Merkel/Macron's mould to lose in the EU, which I've corrected him on: My leaning is exactly the opposite. Literally, everything else he said after that sentence is a different topic. In what way do you think he and I were arguing or that he took advantage of my age?

 
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 11, 2022, 01:55:44 PM
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Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 12, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
So, I saw this by Richard Medhurst and helped me understand French politics a lot!
Basically,
Macron = French Biden
Le Pen = French Trump
Melenchon = French Bernie

Melenchon only got 21.7% so he's out. But he's the only one among the top three who was offering something substantial for voters' lives. Now that he's out, the French press has started their own version of 'Vote Blue no matter who' to force Melenchon voters to vote for Macron, who, with Le Pen, is offering nothing to voters except 'Vote for me coz I'm not as bad as the alternative.' Le Pen is offering Trumpian anti-immigration policies (horrible) plus NATO-exit (good). She apparently dropped her EU-Frexit rubbish after she was badly beaten last time. So there's no candidate attempting to break up the EU, thank God. It looks like the French just pulled an America and destroyed their best candidate before the finale.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 12, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
Dear Mami, No difference between NATO and EU. NATO is Military wing of EU .and yes BREXIT was beneficial to Kenya if you get the drift.


So, I saw this by Richard Medhurst and helped me understand French politics a lot!
Basically,
Macron = French Biden
Le Pen = French Trump
Melenchon = French Bernie

Melenchon only got 21.7% so he's out. But he's the only one among the top three who was offering something substantial for voters' lives. Now that he's out, the French press has started their own version of 'Vote Blue no matter who' to force Melenchon voters to vote for Macron, who, with Le Pen, is offering nothing to voters except 'Vote for me coz I'm not as bad as the alternative.' Le Pen is offering Trumpian anti-immigration policies (horrible) plus NATO-exit (good). She apparently dropped her EU-Frexit rubbish after she was badly beaten last time. So there's no candidate attempting to break up the EU, thank God. It looks like the French just pulled an America and destroyed their best candidate before the finale.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kadudu on April 12, 2022, 12:34:29 PM
Noway in his usual ignorance. How many members of NATO including th US are not in the EU?

Dear Mami, No difference between NATO and EU. NATO is Military wing of EU .and yes BREXIT was beneficial to Kenya if you get the drift.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Pundit on April 12, 2022, 02:07:24 PM
Nowayaha can be dogmatic and rigid; Why support a racist like Le Pen if you're african man.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 12, 2022, 02:12:18 PM
It isn't everyday that I am transfixed on a post from @Njuri Ncheke, but this one was well articulated. If @Veritas was updating reputation points, I would have put a whooping 50 on this post alone.  :PDT_Armataz_01_37: :sign0098:
I love posts like these which are supported. You cannot go against an argument when so much is cited as example from history. We say if you fail to learn from mistakes in history, then you are bound to repeat them.

That does not overlook the fact that Njuri - on account of your age which lies in same bracket as mine - this forum is not a level playing field and you took advantage of @Dear Baby's youth and inexperience in the exchange.

Geopolitics masters I presume, You don't have a problem with a known racist Le Pen winning but are against Ukrainian fighting for their land and freedom,sounds like lunacy to me.
Back to France the country is a nobody in the greater equation of things,the french are cowardly people never won any war and obviously they won't want a war. They have been perennially rescused by the anglo saxons,first world war, second world war in Vietnam they suffered from dien peu fever a bunch of spinless idiots,not to mention when Napoleon invaded Russia it ended very badly for them,if it wasn't for the English the french would been speaking German. In west Africa they have run entire counties down with their inept, about 30% GDP of France comes from west Africa,still modern day slave countries and thats why English and French colonized countries are worlds apart even in Africa
Now back to modern day,the English rightly mistrust the spineless french just like slimy snails the are slippery and highly unreliable. I will leave you guys with more content on the French for you genius geo politician to use
https://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_humor_complete_list_of_french_jokes.asp
A young naive girl like our Dear Mami can be easily taken advantage of by brute bullies like Pundit Noway axis and easily coerced into hullabaloo and hubris. Good girls like bad boys.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 12, 2022, 03:13:53 PM
So, I saw this by Richard Medhurst and helped me understand French politics a lot!
Basically,
Macron = French Biden
Le Pen = French Trump
Melenchon = French Bernie

Melenchon only got 21.7% so he's out. But he's the only one among the top three who was offering something substantial for voters' lives. Now that he's out, the French press has started their own version of 'Vote Blue no matter who' to force Melenchon voters to vote for Macron, who, with Le Pen, is offering nothing to voters except 'Vote for me coz I'm not as bad as the alternative.' Le Pen is offering Trumpian anti-immigration policies (horrible) plus NATO-exit (good). She apparently dropped her EU-Frexit rubbish after she was badly beaten last time. So there's no candidate attempting to break up the EU, thank God. It looks like the French just pulled an America and destroyed their best candidate before the finale.

I am assuming you mean Bernie when you say the "best candidate" in America's case.  Bernie - a good person IMO - is unfortunately also too polarizing to be a good general election candidate.  America's center of gravity leans just right of center. 

The right can go full-on tribalist because

1) they have always had a large monolithic base. 
2) the current alignment of the Electoral College gives their candidate a path(narrow to be sure) to win, even if they are unpopular. 

Dems enjoy numerical superiority overall, but are more diverse, which brings its own challenges.  They represent multiple issues BLM, gay marriage, universal healthcare, unions etc.  These don't always have support across the board.  The required balancing act is how you end up with Biden.  Bernie can excite one segment, but turn off another.  He would definitely have lost in Arizona and Georgia.  He might have struggled in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. 
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 12, 2022, 04:53:57 PM

RV first would like to say I do not support neither Macron nor Le Pen. Will come to that later.
If you have been following European politics and in this case France politics you would know Le Pen policy on Africa is different from Europe. Yes she is Eurosceptic but far from Anti Africa.
European Union changed as from 2000.  Africa which previously used to business with European Unions at State level all over a sudden had to adhere to so called European laws and standards which are in effect political sanctions .
As we witnessed with UK all over a sudden Brussels told them if they required labour they should seek from Eastern Europe and not Commonwealth countries. Romania Poland Bulgaria etc replaced Kenyan Doctors ,Nurses, Bankers, Hoteliers and Military men. After Brexit you can see UK now is looking for Kenyan Doctors,Nurses etc
Kenyan needs independent European states with Independent foreign and Economic policy rather than policies coming from bureocratic entity in Brussels.


https://qz.com/africa/937307/visiting-chad-marine-le-pen-wants-france-to-cut-ties-the-world-except-africa/


Nowayaha can be dogmatic and rigid; Why support a racist like Le Pen if you're african man.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 12, 2022, 05:19:46 PM
As we witnessed with UK all over a sudden Brussels told them if they required labour they should seek from Eastern Europe and not Commonwealth countries. Romania Poland Bulgaria etc replaced Kenyan Doctors ,Nurses, Bankers, Hoteliers and Military men. After Brexit you can see UK now is looking for Kenyan Doctors,Nurses etc
Kenyan needs independent European states with Independent foreign and Economic policy rather than policies coming from bureocratic entity in Brussels.

It's true, EU forces employers to prove they can't find anyone in EU before they can hire third-country employees (even Americans/Australians etc). Britain loosened up all sorts of migration laws to us about two years ago. And yes, it's good for us to be able to compete with EU countries directly without the EU protection/barrier giving other European countries an advantage over us.

But the problem is, it also increases American hegemony to diminish the EU. As things are going in Ukraine, it seems EU/Russia will weaken considerably while the US and China strengthen even more. I do not want that, don't think it's good for the world as a whole going forward. 4/5/6 great powers (even if not exactly equal) mean poor countries have a bigger voice as they are competed over as spheres of influence.

Already, China's BRI has prompted the EU to come up with its own version focused on technology, because they can't just sit back and cede Africa and other areas entirely to China's influence. This is their 'Global Gateway' that they unveiled last year, clearly realizing that merely badmouthing Chinese infrastructural investments in Africa (and elsewhere) wasn't going to work: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211203-with-its-global-gateway-eu-tries-to-compete-with-the-china-s-belt-and-road The only thing that will stem Chinese influence is out-competing them by becoming BETTER development partners for small countries. These same folk who are now mobilizing billions of euro to give us capital with which to develop . . . couldn't give us fair loans to save their lives in forever! (All the way from independence till the 2000s.)

If EU/Russia disappear from the top and it's just the US and China (India is well on its way to joining this gang, it's now clear, but even they have a ways to go and can't just replace them if they collapse now) all we'll have is a cold war without much gain, IMO. With 4/5/6 competing great powers, something like a 'Marshall Plan' for the global south starts becoming normal for each of them. As we lack capital (which we desperately need to develop the global south) this is very good for us. But if we have just the US and China, things like this are diminished.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 13, 2022, 07:05:59 AM

You seem shallow in history , These Unions and alliances have been there since time memorial centuries and centuries and they were always motivated by economics and defence.
If EU is not NATO . Russia would have retaliated due to the economic war waged on them by the so called illegal sanctuons.
Almost 90% of countries in EU are in NATO and vice versa . You have Headquarters of NATO and EU in Brussels.
You have U.S. saying a united E.U. means a stronger united NATO.
Who is ignorant now ? U.S. interests in NATO is to make money through arm sales . If you control the miltary arm of the organization then you control the organization and that is what is happening. You are the ignorant one.

Noway in his usual ignorance. How many members of NATO including th US are not in the EU?

Dear Mami, No difference between NATO and EU. NATO is Military wing of EU .and yes BREXIT was beneficial to Kenya if you get the drift.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 13, 2022, 08:29:58 AM

You seem shallow in history , These Unions and alliances have been there since time memorial centuries and centuries and they were always motivated by economics and defence.
If EU is not NATO . Russia would have retaliated due to the economic war waged on them by the so called illegal sanctuons.
Almost 90% of countries in EU are in NATO and vice versa . You have Headquarters of NATO and EU in Brussels.
You have U.S. saying a united E.U. means a stronger united NATO.
Who is ignorant now ? U.S. interests in NATO is to make money through arm sales . If you control the miltary arm of the organization then you control the organization and that is what is happening. You are the ignorant one.

Noway in his usual ignorance. How many members of NATO including th US are not in the EU?

Dear Mami, No difference between NATO and EU. NATO is Military wing of EU .and yes BREXIT was beneficial to Kenya if you get the drift.

Yes, current EU's greatest weakness is failing to develop their own army and breaking out of NATO and US rule. They are like a vast American colony, no different from Japan. The difference, I guess, is I maintain hope that they still can and will break free. It needs a small ignition but its not something impossible.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kadudu on April 13, 2022, 09:35:09 AM
The usual rant. NATO was formed after WW II to counter the Soviet Union. The EU is an economic pact. Mixing the two is like mixing sugar and salt. The EU can break up, but NATO will still exist. The other way round is also the case. So why is your favourite European politician Marine Le Pen ready to leave NATO but shies away from leaving the EU?


You seem shallow in history , These Unions and alliances have been there since time memorial centuries and centuries and they were always motivated by economics and defence.
If EU is not NATO . Russia would have retaliated due to the economic war waged on them by the so called illegal sanctuons.
Almost 90% of countries in EU are in NATO and vice versa . You have Headquarters of NATO and EU in Brussels.
You have U.S. saying a united E.U. means a stronger united NATO.
Who is ignorant now ? U.S. interests in NATO is to make money through arm sales . If you control the miltary arm of the organization then you control the organization and that is what is happening. You are the ignorant one.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 13, 2022, 04:51:44 PM
The usual rant. NATO was formed after WW II to counter the Soviet Union. The EU is an economic pact. Mixing the two is like mixing sugar and salt. The EU can break up, but NATO will still exist. The other way round is also the case. So why is your favourite European politician Marine Le Pen ready to leave NATO but shies away from leaving the EU?


You seem shallow in history , These Unions and alliances have been there since time memorial centuries and centuries and they were always motivated by economics and defence.
If EU is not NATO . Russia would have retaliated due to the economic war waged on them by the so called illegal sanctuons.
Almost 90% of countries in EU are in NATO and vice versa . You have Headquarters of NATO and EU in Brussels.
You have U.S. saying a united E.U. means a stronger united NATO.
Who is ignorant now ? U.S. interests in NATO is to make money through arm sales . If you control the miltary arm of the organization then you control the organization and that is what is happening. You are the ignorant one.

And countries don't join the alliance under duress.  That's why you have Austria and Switzerland unmolested even though they haven't joined.  Of course there is an overlap with the EU.  Because most members are in the EU.  But to conflate the two is just lazy.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 13, 2022, 05:02:23 PM

Go and school yourself about Austria-Hungarian Empire, Grand Duchy of Poland and Liuthenia. You think these Unions came about the other day. Go school yourself about Warsaw pact and Communism vs NATO and Capitalism. The ultimate goal of Eu is to form Federalisation of the European Union which would mirror U.S.A. Now tell me if there is a federal Govt of Europe wont there be a Defense arm to hold the Federal Govt together ? Yes for that you have NATO. However your naiveness and ignorance wont let know whats happening .

The usual rant. NATO was formed after WW II to counter the Soviet Union. The EU is an economic pact. Mixing the two is like mixing sugar and salt. The EU can break up, but NATO will still exist. The other way round is also the case. So why is your favourite European politician Marine Le Pen ready to leave NATO but shies away from leaving the EU?


You seem shallow in history , These Unions and alliances have been there since time memorial centuries and centuries and they were always motivated by economics and defence.
If EU is not NATO . Russia would have retaliated due to the economic war waged on them by the so called illegal sanctuons.
Almost 90% of countries in EU are in NATO and vice versa . You have Headquarters of NATO and EU in Brussels.
You have U.S. saying a united E.U. means a stronger united NATO.
Who is ignorant now ? U.S. interests in NATO is to make money through arm sales . If you control the miltary arm of the organization then you control the organization and that is what is happening. You are the ignorant one.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Dear Mami on April 13, 2022, 08:25:10 PM
As I said, before, Macron and Scholz don't want war with Russia. Just like his complaints before the war that Biden was escalating things, he is now refusing to carelessly throw around terms like genocide and war criminal

I still insist that the best thing for the world regarding Europe is for the EU to break away from NATO and cease being a US colony. It's 70+ years since WWII already: About time! I read somewhere that European countries fear German hegemony and would rather have the Americans lord it over them instead. I pray they get over themselves. :D
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 13, 2022, 08:54:30 PM
https://www.rt.com/news/553829-french-candidate-position-nato/
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 14, 2022, 03:27:47 PM
As expected a Frenchman to sabotage Kenya's economy just like they do in west Africa
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2022/04/fuel-crisis-rubis-ceo-jean-christian-deported-over-economic-sabotage/
To know that they're poor souls in nipate geo politics masters supporting France which is the most abusive country to Africans is mind boggling, people need their heads recalibrated
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Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2022, 10:32:26 AM
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on April 24, 2022, 09:22:45 PM
Macron wins
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on April 24, 2022, 09:34:41 PM
Massive defeat 58/41. Biden will probably trounce Republicans and Trump by the same margin. Being Pro-Russia in the west is suicide!
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: GeeMail on April 24, 2022, 11:18:01 PM
Trump pro-Russia will be a card Dems will play but will not work. Midterms will be truthteller.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Georgesoros on April 25, 2022, 12:12:54 AM
"Macro Lost" - Trump.

Why did the media say that polls were very close?
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 25, 2022, 09:06:32 AM
Macron wins

Historical.  Because he is the first President to be popularly re-elected while leading a majority party in parliament.
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Some countries like to hang on to their leaders. Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama each won a second term in America. Germany’s Angela Merkel was re-elected three times; Britain’s Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair twice each. Yet under the French Fifth Republic, introduced by Charles de Gaulle in 1958, the French have never re-elected a sitting president who had a parliamentary majority. Why is it so unusual for France’s head of state to win a second term?

A referendum in 2000 shortened French presidential terms from seven to five years. Following constitutional reforms in 2008, leaders can serve only two consecutive terms. But even this has eluded most of them. De Gaulle himself was voted back into office in 1965. But he had first been elected in 1958 by an electoral college of parliamentarians, mayors and city-council members, not by the people. The only presidents to have been directly re-elected are François Mitterrand, a socialist, in 1988 and Jacques Chirac, a Gaullist, in 2002. Each achieved this while presiding over a government of opposition parties, under a power-sharing arrangement known as “cohabitation”. This made it easier to deflect blame

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/04/22/why-is-it-so-unusual-for-a-french-president-to-win-re-election
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kadudu on April 25, 2022, 09:42:55 AM
Noway is now hiding. What did I predict some two weeks back?
Noway ni kelele mingi. He believes he is alpha and omega of all knowledge.

Btw, the number 3 in the elections Mélenchon with his 22% has told his supporters no one vote for Marine Le Pen. So now you can continue talking of Macron in past tense.

The total votes for the far rightare about 30%. Add a few more far left who will vote for Le Pen comes up to about 40%. The socialists and conservertives cannot vote for Le pen. Her chances of getting 50% are much less than Macron. In 2017 Macron had after the first round 24% and Le Pen 21%.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 25, 2022, 09:59:01 AM

Kadudu  , Hiding from what ? I pointed out "Could be"  Not unless you dont know the difference between Will be , Would be and Could be.
I took the wait and see approach. If you analyze the political results deeply you will come with a different opinion.

Just prior to elections I even posted opinion polls (European are credible ) showing Macron would win .

And yes was routing for a Le Pen win for reasons stated earlier.


Noway is now hiding. What did I predict some two weeks back?
Noway ni kelele mingi. He believes he is alpha and omega of all knowledge.

Btw, the number 3 in the elections Mélenchon with his 22% has told his supporters no one vote for Marine Le Pen. So now you can continue talking of Macron in past tense.


The total votes for the far rightare about 30%. Add a few more far left who will vote for Le Pen comes up to about 40%. The socialists and conservertives cannot vote for Le pen. Her chances of getting 50% are much less than Macron. In 2017 Macron had after the first round 24% and Le Pen 21%.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nefertiti on April 25, 2022, 11:55:31 AM
 :) dude is always lecturing everyone but has endless excuses when he loses.

Noway is now hiding. What did I predict some two weeks back?
Noway ni kelele mingi. He believes he is alpha and omega of all knowledge.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 25, 2022, 12:20:41 PM

Robina , I take my losses with stride , Unlike you once I know the team or person Im supporting is going to lose I always accept before hand  . Im not a wishful thinker or live in self deceit lime you.
Following are some of the events i supported and didnt end up winning
Uhuru 2002
Ruto 2010
Sonkos Impeachment
Waigurus Impeachment
Matungu Kabuchai By election.

you always live in dreamland and when you lose you take a sabatical. I always agree with the situation before hand and take it with stride.

 Bwlo
:) dude is always lecturing everyone but has endless excuses when he loses.

Noway is now hiding. What did I predict some two weeks back?
Noway ni kelele mingi. He believes he is alpha and omega of all knowledge.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: audacityofhope on April 25, 2022, 03:33:13 PM
Lecturing who? You mean to this day, there are those of you here who find time to read through what this moderator-certified "low IQ" scatter brain's posts? Granted all members are allowed to post stuff; but this one spectacularly abuses that right - always on the wrong side of history - while consuming precious cyberspace real estate, in volumes that only come close to the other guy who is always here 24/7. As far as I am concerned, when this fellow posts, he is for all intensive purposes, talking to himself. I never respond. You can only respond to something you have read - something sensible of course, analysis that is well thought out.

:) dude is always lecturing everyone but has endless excuses when he loses.

Noway is now hiding. What did I predict some two weeks back?
Noway ni kelele mingi. He believes he is alpha and omega of all knowledge.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: audacityofhope on April 25, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
Yeah he is gone..the French distrust politicians and now COVID plus Ukraine war..hard to see folks giving incumbents a second chance.They will punish sitting gov
Who is gone Mr.-I-have-been-blogging-for-30-years? And oh, and I read elsewhere, you just gave yourself a new name: In-2002-I-was-very-young.

@Noway with all his flaws at least is honest on the little things, like being truthful that in 2002 he was of age and called that election wrong.

Following are some of the events i supported and didnt end up winning
Uhuru 2002
Ruto 2010
Sonkos Impeachment
Waigurus Impeachment
Matungu Kabuchai By election.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 25, 2022, 05:24:50 PM
Trump pro-Russia will be a card Dems will play but will not work. Midterms will be truthteller.

Dems should lose Mid-terms and that is the general expectation.  But Republicans are weird for lack of a better term.  The people they are putting out there are not normal to put it mildly.  The candidates making it through their Primaries are the kind of crackpots that can appeal to the Trump base.  For the most part, there are no sane Republicans running.  Outside of heavily gerrymandered districts, that is a recipe for losing in the general.  On that basis alone, Dems might just squeak back in.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Pundit on April 25, 2022, 05:40:04 PM
I changed my mind when I realized he was facing far right racist. No way Le pen was going to win. If it was good candidate; it would be a different story.
Yeah he is gone..the French distrust politicians and now COVID plus Ukraine war..hard to see folks giving incumbents a second chance.They will punish sitting gov
Who is gone Mr.-I-have-been-blogging-for-30-years? And oh, and I read elsewhere, you just gave yourself a new name: In-2002-I-was-very-young.

@Noway with all his flaws at least is honest on the little things, like being truthful that in 2002 he was of age and called that election wrong.

Following are some of the events i supported and didnt end up winning
Uhuru 2002
Ruto 2010
Sonkos Impeachment
Waigurus Impeachment
Matungu Kabuchai By election.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Kadudu on April 25, 2022, 05:55:42 PM
Why do you bother to comment when you have no clue on French politics? That name Le Pen has been featuring in French far right politics for the last 30 years. Marine Le Pen has been in the runoff of presidential elections now two times. Before her the father Jean-Marie Le Pen was also in the run-off for the presidency.

I changed my mind when I realized he was facing far right racist. No way Le pen was going to win. If it was good candidate; it would be a different story.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 25, 2022, 08:05:25 PM

No Coment . When you indulge a fool people from a distance cant tell who is who.....

Lecturing who? You mean to this day, there are those of you here who find time to read through what this moderator-certified "low IQ" scatter brain's posts? Granted all members are allowed to post stuff; but this one spectacularly abuses that right - always on the wrong side of history - while consuming precious cyberspace real estate, in volumes that only come close to the other guy who is always here 24/7. As far as I am concerned, when this fellow posts, he is for all intensive purposes, talking to himself. I never respond. You can only respond to something you have read - something sensible of course, analysis that is well thought out.

:) dude is always lecturing everyone but has endless excuses when he loses.

Noway is now hiding. What did I predict some two weeks back?
Noway ni kelele mingi. He believes he is alpha and omega of all knowledge.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: RV Pundit on April 25, 2022, 08:08:43 PM
My general tenure was simple - incumbents will face rough time in times when economy is tough. That is general rule. Of course I dont bother with French politics. My speciality is Kenyan politics. I made one comment and that was that. I quickly checked and found out Le Pen was racist daughter the racist Le Pen...no way he can win in France.
Why do you bother to comment when you have no clue on French politics? That name Le Pen has been featuring in French far right politics for the last 30 years. Marine Le Pen has been in the runoff of presidential elections now two times. Before her the father Jean-Marie Le Pen was also in the run-off for the presidency.

I changed my mind when I realized he was facing far right racist. No way Le pen was going to win. If it was good candidate; it would be a different story.
Title: Re: Macron Could be First Casualty of Ukrainian Crisis , Biden Next
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 26, 2022, 12:19:29 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61214460

French president has achieved before: winning re-election while still being in charge of his own government.

The centrist president's victory over Marine Le Pen may have been convincing, but he has a problem. There are new elections around the corner to France's National Assembly and a big section of the electorate dislikes him.

"There is a lot of hate," sociologist Michel Wieviorka told the BBC. "He said last night 'I am happy' but I don't think he can be totally happy because there are plenty of clouds in his sky."

Politically, if he fares badly in the June elections, he could end up losing his majority and may not be able to form his own government. That's why his opponents are calling the next vote a "third round".

Why would that matter if he's just won 58.5% of the national vote?

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Many of his voters are not natural supporters and are unlikely to back him in June. A large number of far-left voters held their noses to keep the far right out of power, but then there are also a number of mainstream parties that threw their weight behind him too, including the Republicans, Greens and Socialists.

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One opinion poll indicated that 63% of voters would rather he lost his majority and had to share power with an opposition government, known in France as "co-habitation".

Far-left leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon has designs on becoming prime minister himself. If that were to happen, there would be little love lost between him and the president. He claimed that Mr Macron had won the vote with the worst result in French history. Even if he was wrong, it was still a valid point that more than a third of voters had either stayed away from the election or voted for no candidate at all.

France's election winner is therefore a man in a hurry. He wants to rush through important reforms to persuade a jaded electorate to vote for his party.

Within days, he needs to form a new government, replacing Prime Minister Jean Castex, who led France through the Covid pandemic.

Labour Minister Elisabeth Borne is seen as a popular choice, because she has a strong record on social issues and it is social reforms that are his priority right now.

Mr Macron is also believed to want a woman in the job.

And she seems to understand the need for speed - especially when it comes to the issue which dominated both rounds of the presidential election: the cost of living that is causing a headache across French society and became the focus of Marine Le Pen's campaign.

"We need to provide quick answers," she said.

Indeed, within hours of the election result, Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire promised to keep in place a price cap on gas and electricity price rises until the end of 2022.

But spending is just one of four priorities Macron needs to push in the coming weeks, according to Junior Economy Minister Agnès Pannier-Runacher. The environment, education, and health are also key, with green issues a particular priority for younger voters.

And don't forget, 41% of 18 to 24-year-olds did not bother to vote on Sunday.

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But the flagship reform Macron is really determined to push through is controversial: raising the pension age from 62 to 65.

However, government spokesman Gabriel Attal has promised the Macron administration is in listening mode.

He insisted there would be a change of approach over the next five years, and on pensions they would redouble consultation to "hear people's anxieties".

Asking the French people to work three more years before they collect their pensions is not exactly a popular move, so Mr Macron is at pains to say he is flexible on how it is brought in and when. And yet his finance minister did not rule out forcing it through without a vote if they had to.

For a president sometimes dubbed Jupiter for perceived arrogance, observers see this as a critical moment for him to adapt.

"He must accept the idea that negotiation is important, it doesn't mean top-down decisions," says Michel Wieviorka. "I think it's difficult for him psychologically and culturally to change to a more democratic way of politics."

In his victory speech, Mr Macron declared he was no longer a candidate in one camp but the president for everybody. No-one would be left by the wayside, he vowed.

He also insisted that the next five years would be handled differently from the last, without explaining how. He may not have long to prove it