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Title: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 02, 2022, 08:05:50 PM
They want darkness so they can rig

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/-law-seeks-to-bar-tv-stations-from-livestreaming-presidential-poll-results-3703394
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: sema on February 02, 2022, 08:20:22 PM
Who still watches tv in this era of social media, mobile phones & the internet? :D 70% of Kenyans are under the age of 30, right? not a very smart move.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 02, 2022, 08:24:51 PM
They want to also ban streaming results online. Darkness allows for mischief.
Who still watches tv in this era of social media, mobile phones & the internet? :D 70% of Kenyans are under the age of 30, right? not a very smart move.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: sema on February 02, 2022, 08:27:41 PM
Why is Uhuru so afraid of a Ruto presidency? Even Moi retired peacefully and he had many enemies. What is Uhuru's fear?
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 02, 2022, 08:46:10 PM
I think it beyond ego fight now - it's probably fear new hustlers will take their wealth.
Why is Uhuru so afraid of a Ruto presidency? Even Moi retired peacefully and he had many enemies. What is Uhuru's fear?
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 02, 2022, 10:18:04 PM
Tuliza bori. Uhuru will play fair and stay above the fray. No need to panic. Peace is important. Who knows he may even campaign for ruto. Otherwise keep on tweaking moas..it will need rework after April
 
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 12:29:11 AM
Mlevi is playing dangerous moves that might bring the country down
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 03, 2022, 12:37:38 AM
Mlevi is playing dangerous moves that might bring the country down

Uhuru is counting his days to back to his private life. He is actually very eager. He knows now that raila is on his side there wont be issues. He expects whoever wins to get on with it. Uhuru will spend his first year post retirement in his home in Switzerland. He plans to enjoy life. He believes he has laid the infrastructure development necessary for kenya development. He believes history will be very kind to him. His legacy is intact and no amount of politics will deter him. Mzee uhuru is ready to handle over to whoever wins
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 03, 2022, 03:27:38 AM

This is against Kriegler commission recomendations and against the constituion.
Rutos side has able lawyers who defeated BBI  he should fight it in courts .
Uhuru and Azimio want another battle in Parliament.Just like some people here they think sitting mps gives a perception of triump in the comming elections.

They want darkness so they can rig

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/-law-seeks-to-bar-tv-stations-from-livestreaming-presidential-poll-results-3703394
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 06:57:52 AM
The intention is clear... rigging afoot
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 03, 2022, 07:24:35 AM
How will they rig this? Ballots counted at voting center and results posted after verification by agents. How? I thought iebc tallying now is a matter of formality. An organized media house or party can collate all these tallies and with 12 hours of vote announce final tally. I though Scok ruling was thelection must be easily verifiable. Uda should take the Supreme Court ruling and use it as a guide. No one will steal and election this year. The stakes are not there. It is not a do pr die election
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 07:33:00 AM
Why all frenzy to change election laws? The political elite knows Ruto will sweep them all clean and they are fearful to the extend they are willing to embrace Raila.

Btw - where is these changes coming from - IEBC or Harambee house?

1)In fact, the proposed law says any failure to transmit the results electronically would not be grounds for the Supreme Court to nullify the presidential vote.
2) Under the current law, the IEBC is under obligation to establish a mechanism for live-streaming of results as announced at the polling stations for purposes of public information.
3)In the proposed law, where there is a dispute, the IEBC would have the powers to determine the accurate results between the manual results or the electronically transmitted results.

How will they rig this? Ballots counted at voting center and results posted after verification by agents. How? I thought iebc tallying now is a matter of formality. An organized media house or party can collate all these tallies and with 12 hours of vote announce final tally. I though Scok ruling was thelection must be easily verifiable. Uda should take the Supreme Court ruling and use it as a guide. No one will steal and election this year. The stakes are not there. It is not a do pr die election
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 03, 2022, 07:36:49 AM
Why is Uhuru so afraid of a Ruto presidency? Even Moi retired peacefully and he had many enemies. What is Uhuru's fear?
If you have hurt/harm DP in any shape of form, you better be very very afraid. I suspect uhuru suspects he has hurt DP either financially, or in some way. In the event he wins, Kenyatta family wealth will probably go from 300B to 10B in a 4-year span. You cannot hurt him and get away with it! He will move mountains to retaliate in a very massive way! I'm really scared of Uhurus, Murathes, Atwolis,and anyone who has called him names! Moi was very very soft compared to Samoeis!
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 07:52:09 AM
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 07:55:24 AM
They must already knows when Ruto comes he will be sweeping them out clean. Uhuru made a big mistake. You dont want Ruto for an enemy. If he was reading Nipate - I had warned him. Now he is great panic as we approach 2022. Ruto and Raila - will crush Kenyatta empire. This was long coming anyway. Their wealth has become so obnoxious with Brookside controlling dairy and NCBA controlling MPESA.

As soon as Ruto is sworn in - he will get to work the same day - and start dismantling anything he will see as roadblock to his vision and plan. Ruto doesnt equivocate - once he has decided - then it's action time. 


If you have hurt/harm DP in any shape of form, you better be very very afraid. I suspect uhuru suspects he has hurt DP either financially, or in some way. In the event he wins, Kenyatta family wealth will probably go from 300B to 10B in a 4-year span. You cannot hurt him and get away with it! He will move mountains to retaliate in a very massive way! I'm really scared of Uhurus, Murathes, Atwolis,and anyone who has called him names! Moi was very very soft compared to Samoeis!
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 03, 2022, 08:12:31 AM
They must already knows when Ruto comes he will be sweeping them out clean. Uhuru made a big mistake. You dont want Ruto for an enemy. If he was reading Nipate - I had warned him. Now he is great panic as we approach 2022. Ruto and Raila - will crush Kenyatta empire. This was long coming anyway. Their wealth has become so obnoxious with Brookside controlling dairy and NCBA controlling MPESA.

As soon as Ruto is sworn in - he will get to work the same day - and start dismantling anything he will see as roadblock to his vision and plan. Ruto doesnt equivocate - once he has decided - then it's action time. 


If you have hurt/harm DP in any shape of form, you better be very very afraid. I suspect uhuru suspects he has hurt DP either financially, or in some way. In the event he wins, Kenyatta family wealth will probably go from 300B to 10B in a 4-year span. You cannot hurt him and get away with it! He will move mountains to retaliate in a very massive way! I'm really scared of Uhurus, Murathes, Atwolis,and anyone who has called him names! Moi was very very soft compared to Samoeis!
Uhuru is messing it up big time for his family and his cronies. DP rewards friends and neutral folks and decimates enemies. With his hard work, performance, and results-oriented spirit, he will be Kenya's kingpin in short three years, but his few enemies wallowing in ruins. They better win square or they will suffer never to recover!
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 08:18:36 AM
Kenyans want Kenyatta and Moi empires decimated - that is genesis of hustler nation and gema revolt. Ruto will be very popular if he goes for the jugular and strangle the Kenyatta & Moi empires.
Uhuru is messing it up big time for his family and his cronies. DP rewards friends and neutral folks and decimates enemies. With his hard work, performance, and results-oriented spirit, he will be Kenya's kingpin in short three years, but his few enemies wallowing in ruins. They better win square or they will suffer never to recover!
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Kadudu on February 03, 2022, 10:51:31 AM
You seem to live in your own world. Even Ruto has never uttered such words. Ruto will just build his own financial empire. You think he cares about Kenyattas and Mois of this world?
Ruto sis not on a revenge mission. He is just out for power and more wealth. Nothing else. All the talk of hustler nation is just kelele mingi.

Kenyans want Kenyatta and Moi empires decimated - that is genesis of hustler nation and gema revolt. Ruto will be very popular if he goes for the jugular and strangle the Kenyatta & Moi empires.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Dear Mami on February 03, 2022, 11:19:07 AM
You seem to live in your own world. Even Ruto has never uttered such words. Ruto will just build his own financial empire. You think he cares about Kenyattas and Mois of this world?
Ruto sis not on a revenge mission. He is just out for power and more wealth. Nothing else. All the talk of hustler nation is just kelele mingi.

Kenyans want Kenyatta and Moi empires decimated - that is genesis of hustler nation and gema revolt. Ruto will be very popular if he goes for the jugular and strangle the Kenyatta & Moi empires.
Kweli kabisa. It would be nice if he would do it but there's no chance. There's no way he's lighting that fire under the presidency. The moment he sits on it, he will want to protect it by not setting dangerous precedents that will come back to haunt him when he's out. Same goes for RAO. Even in the U.S. with its much better rule of law, presidents protect former presidents while lying to their believing voting base that their hands are tied. No president will want to go after a former president, even if the former stole his own wife. It's self-preservation.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 11:22:43 AM
I dont think you know Ruto. Our gov is broke. Here is a Kenyatta and Moi empire whose combined worth is a 1 trillion Kshs. You think Ruto will go hunting for deers and rabbits - and leave elephants and buffalos. Kenyatta empire will be ripped apart - and taken over by Rutos. They should prepare to either sell or be bankrupted.

When Ruto becomes PORK - he will leave the rabbits for small boys - and go hunting for elephants.

You seem to live in your own world. Even Ruto has never uttered such words. Ruto will just build his own financial empire. You think he cares about Kenyattas and Mois of this world?
Ruto sis not on a revenge mission. He is just out for power and more wealth. Nothing else. All the talk of hustler nation is just kelele mingi.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
Why didnt they not protect Ruto and his allies? You think Ruto and his allies once they win will be generous to them :). Combined Ruto and Rigathi will go for Kenyatta and Moi empire with vengeances - and it's very juicy meat. They either sell to them - or they get crushed. My friend people are circling both gov and private sector pie - looking for opportunities. Case baadaye.

It will just be like sportspesa - you share or we crush it.

Kweli kabisa. It would be nice if he would do it but there's no chance. There's no way he's lighting that fire under the presidency. The moment he sits on it, he will want to protect it by not setting dangerous precedents that will come back to haunt him when he's out. Same goes for RAO. Even in the U.S. with its much better rule of law, presidents protect former presidents while lying to their believing voting base that their hands are tied. No president will want to go after a former president, even if the former stole his own wife. It's self-preservation.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Dear Mami on February 03, 2022, 11:38:17 AM
Why didnt they not protect Ruto and his allies? You think Ruto and his allies once they win will be generous to them :). Combined Ruto and Rigathi will go for Kenyatta and Moi empire with vengeances - and it's very juicy meat. They either sell to them - or they get crushed. My friend people are circling both gov and private sector pie - looking for opportunities. Case baadaye.

It will just be like sportspesa - you share or we crush it.
Share with who? Them personally or the govt? If it's personal wealth to their own personal empires, it'll only breed tensions, not garner public support. But I disagree with you, even in the case of public wealth (which I would support if it happened). The truth is Raila/Ruto, once either of them is president, they join a very tiny club with its own unique interest. They will protect their tiny club, not out of the goodness of their hearts but out of self-preservation.

One thing I've learned from .ke politics? None of these people are enemies, no matter the theatrics they display for us every few years. Even Ruto and Raila could be best friends in the blink of an eye. They were before, before becoming pretend mortal enemies. Like Uhuru and Raila were pretend mortal enemies before switching in the handshake to the shock of us all. NONE of them are enemies. Not even one. That is the only constant in Kenyan politics.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 12:03:59 PM
They wont arrest them and throw them to jail for a weekend; but their wealth is not out of bounds. In fact closing taps alone will crush half their companies; Squeezing them through KRA; will crush another 1/4; Removing regulatory capture more will fail. This why all these people are very interested in politics - because politics and wealth are interlinked in poor country like kenya.

Anyway I think you just have NOT understood hustler nation and what it truly represent. This is purge; a generation push; that will bring in brand new thieves; younger and more hungier; retiring older thieves en-masse. They are coming to eat; they are new in the eating game; this akin to 2003 KANU transition.

This is not 2013 when Uhuru and Kibaki basically continued eating - with orderly transition.

Raila has his big axe to grind. So either way I dont see how this ends well for Uhuru and Mois.

Business can be crushed easily. Refer to Moi era. Refer to Humprey Kairuki and his debacle. And so are the Keroche. A simple tax demand of 10B Kshs will crush many companies.

Now if I am interested in a business Kenyattas dominate - I either crush them or buy them out - and because they are so rich they will unlikely sell - for any prize - they will be crushed.

Share with who? Them personally or the govt? If it's personal wealth to their own personal empires, it'll only breed tensions, not garner public support. But I disagree with you, even in the case of public wealth (which I would support if it happened). The truth is Raila/Ruto, once either of them is president, they join a very tiny club with its own unique interest. They will protect their tiny club, not out of the goodness of their hearts but out of self-preservation.

One thing I've learned from .ke politics? None of these people are enemies, no matter the theatrics they display for us every few years. Even Ruto and Raila could be best friends in the blink of an eye. They were before, before becoming pretend mortal enemies. Like Uhuru and Raila were pretend mortal enemies before switching in the handshake to the shock of us all. NONE of them are enemies. Not even one. That is the only constant in Kenyan politics.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Kadudu on February 03, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
Pundit is so naive. As if he believes in this hustler nation narative. Look at whom he is defending here. New forest, same monkeys.

Share with who? Them personally or the govt? If it's personal wealth to their own personal empires, it'll only breed tensions, not garner public support. But I disagree with you, even in the case of public wealth (which I would support if it happened). The truth is Raila/Ruto, once either of them is president, they join a very tiny club with its own unique interest. They will protect their tiny club, not out of the goodness of their hearts but out of self-preservation.

One thing I've learned from .ke politics? None of these people are enemies, no matter the theatrics they display for us every few years. Even Ruto and Raila could be best friends in the blink of an eye. They were before, before becoming pretend mortal enemies. Like Uhuru and Raila were pretend mortal enemies before switching in the handshake to the shock of us all. NONE of them are enemies. Not even one. That is the only constant in Kenyan politics.

Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 12:36:21 PM
I am not sure if I understand what you're saying.
I do believe we are facing 2002 moment - a real transition.
This is not 2013 -where another kikuyu hands to another Kikuyus
I do believe Mwai Kibaki was KANU - right - but we know 2002 was real power change.
So first of all expect new tribal elite to come into power.
And they are not coming to power to look nice and be nice.
They are coming to power to EAT and EAT and EAT - until it's like 2031 - then they realize - okay the eating is about to end
And they starts panicking.
Now you cannot tell angry and hungry coming to eat - sijui there is a bro code.
Yes I am that NAIVE :)
I expect Kalenjin or Luo elite core - with spluttering of the rest - to engage in mega eating.'
If Uhuru had stuck with 10-10 - maybe the transition would have been smoother.
But now it's going to be either Kalenjin elite - new younger breed - or Luo breed that has never been in power.

Now in 3rd world country like Kenya where institutions are weak or infant
PORK is incredibly powerful.
And when you add a shrewd character like Raila and Ruto to the mix.
Then expect to see very many radical changes.

Gema elite and their crony capitalism will be overturned in two years maximum.

1yr they will be crying....by 2nd year they will be wailing.

Pundit is so naive. As if he believes in this hustler nation narative. Look at whom he is defending here. New forest, same monkeys.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: gout on February 03, 2022, 12:38:27 PM
Except for the ODMers who are willing to go any depth with ufool to taste power. Most kenyans are conscious of the destruction ufool is causing. I am told people are starting to relocate from slums. Kikuyus are moving out of Huruma even with the handshake with luos.

With the economy on its knees, he won't have a constituency to defend him like Moi had. To kill Brookside will take a populist move of raising price for farmers and setting a limit on shelf prices just like the oil industry and poof. Then a tax bill. Power bill even. NEMA.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: gout on February 03, 2022, 12:42:34 PM
EAT what? The budget is in the red with debts.

My take is that the four years will take serious work to get the economy buzzing for the hasoras as you finya the dynasties. Take the interest on Eurobonds maybe even chase offshore accounts chini ya maji.
The second term ruto will also likely go rogue and EAT EAT or just be sensible. Knowing man's appetite to go back to history to repeat mistakes on a grander scale, we wait.
I am not sure if I understand what you're saying.
I do believe we are facing 2002 moment - a real transition.
This is not 2013 -where another kikuyu hands to another Kikuyus
I do believe Mwai Kibaki was KANU - right - but we know 2002 was real power change.
So first of all expect new tribal elite to come into power.
And they are not coming to power to look nice and be nice.
They are coming to power to EAT and EAT and EAT - until it's like 2031 - then they realize - okay the eating is about to end
And they starts panicking.
Now you cannot tell angry and hungry coming to eat - sijui there is a bro code.
Yes I am that NAIVE :)
I expect Kalenjin or Luo elite core - with spluttering of the rest - to engage in mega eating.'

If Uhuru had stuck with 10-10 - maybe the transition would have been smoother.

But now it's going to be either Kalenjin elite - new younger breed - or Luo breed that has never been in power.

Pundit is so naive. As if he believes in this hustler nation narative. Look at whom he is defending here. New forest, same monkeys.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 12:44:08 PM
You're only guy who keep it real like me.
The ODM folks are trying to appease GEMA - :)
They are hiding the HUGE AXES - it hilarious - because it's very visible from here.
People in slums are moving. I personally saw in Kuresoi that kind of movement.
People know it's about to go down.
This is a real power transition.
Ufool has made sure it's going to be deep blue or the huge wall for his GEMA elite.
They are so panicked - they dont know whether to resign or just wait for their fate in Feb.

Uhuru and his bro - have messed up big time.
They should have stayed out of this transition.
They have made themselves legitimate targets.

To crush Kenyatta empire is very easy. Raila will finish them in one year. Ruto will need 3yrs.
Raila's Luo will invade that thing called Northland city and he will do nothing.
They will turn it into a huge slum.

Immediately either R is sworn in - the rules of engagement changes.

Uhuru and his GEMA elite will get their revenge served VERY COLD.

The same way Raila found the door to Muthaiga locked - Uhuru and his gema elite will find Ida odinga has decreed Raila to rest :)

Except for the ODMers who are willing to go any depth with ufool to taste power. Most kenyans are conscious of the destruction ufool is causing. I am told people are starting to relocate from slums. Kikuyus are moving out of Huruma even with the handshake with luos.

With the economy on its knees, he won't have a constituency to defend him like Moi had. To kill Brookside will take a populist move of raising price for farmers and setting a limit on shelf prices just like the oil industry and poof. Then a tax bill. Power bill even. NEMA.

Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
They will eat each other.
That is why Uhuru is in big trouble.
When there is nothing to eat in treasury coffers - they will go for private sector.
They will cannibalize the dynasty wealth.
EAT what? The budget is in the red with debts.

My take is that the four years will take serious work to get the economy buzzing for the hasoras as you finya the dynasties. Take the interest on Eurobonds maybe even chase offshore accounts chini ya maji.
The second term ruto will also likely go rogue and EAT EAT or just be sensible. Knowing man's appetite to go back to history to repeat mistakes on a grander scale, we wait.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Dear Mami on February 03, 2022, 12:51:56 PM
Except for the ODMers who are willing to go any depth with ufool to taste power. Most kenyans are conscious of the destruction ufool is causing. I am told people are starting to relocate from slums. Kikuyus are moving out of Huruma even with the handshake with luos.

With the economy on its knees, he won't have a constituency to defend him like Moi had. To kill Brookside will take a populist move of raising price for farmers and setting a limit on shelf prices just like the oil industry and poof. Then a tax bill. Power bill even. NEMA.

I would 100% support moves like this. This would help farmers and consumers by killing these Kenyatta-and-friends monopolies. I just don't believe this will happen. I think you guys will be in for a rude shock if Ruto wins. At least RAO supporters no longer expect him to perform miracles. Once I understood what happened to the economy, I stopped believing in these fairy tales. This is why I'm not that invested this time around: I understood, thanks to Ndii, that we are in a dump, no matter who is president. It's just most people don't realize but we're in big trouble.

The only difference that could be made is if the new president shocked everyone by going radical and reclaiming wealth to fix the debt crisis and give us a chance to keep developing. So if they surprise me by doing this (not for their own tiny Kenyatta imitations but to rebuild our own national 'bank') I will forgive every sin and throw my full weight behind them. Because then we might have a shot without waiting 30 years to get back on track. I've always said if people realized what Jubilee did, Uhuru (and Ruto, too, even though kina you and Pundit want us to forget!) would be stoned by crowds in every public appearance rather than be cheered the way he is now. He would hide in Statehouse till handing over in August like Kibaki did for three weeks after swearing himself in at night in 2007.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 03, 2022, 03:19:13 PM
There is no transition here Pundit. This is just kiyuyu vs kalenjin power struggle 3.0. Other tribes are just observers and hedging their bets on which side will win. Kikuyus are kingmakers this time. Post kibaki kalenjins were kingmakers. The sad thing is that our politics is still deep-rooted in raw tribalism as means of getting into power. Raila biggest problem is that luos have no big numbers.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 03:37:57 PM
Well there is GEMA internal transition - akin to Kalenjin in 2013 - when Ruto supplanted his opponents and brought in new players. I expect to see similar rout in Mt Kenya - the old gema political-business elites and the ground are seriously misaligned - and without the ground - the elites are vulnerable - we shall see transition of power to Kalenjin and New Gema elite around new rebels.

If Raila pulls a miracle - well Luos will finally get power. Lets see how far Uhuru can carry him -

There is no transition here Pundit. This is just kiyuyu vs kalenjin power struggle 3.0. Other tribes are just observers and hedging their bets on which side will win. Kikuyus are kingmakers this time. Post kibaki kalenjins were kingmakers. The sad thing is that our politics is still deep-rooted in raw tribalism as means of getting into power. Raila biggest problem is that luos have no big numbers.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 03:43:44 PM
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 03, 2022, 04:30:55 PM
Well there is GEMA internal transition - akin to Kalenjin in 2013 - when Ruto supplanted his opponents and brought in new players. I expect to see similar rout in Mt Kenya - the old gema political-business elites and the ground are seriously misaligned - and without the ground - the elites are vulnerable - we shall see transition of power to Kalenjin and New Gema elite around new rebels.

If Raila pulls a miracle - well Luos will finally get power. Lets see how far Uhuru can carry him -

There is no transition here Pundit. This is just kiyuyu vs kalenjin power struggle 3.0. Other tribes are just observers and hedging their bets on which side will win. Kikuyus are kingmakers this time. Post kibaki kalenjins were kingmakers. The sad thing is that our politics is still deep-rooted in raw tribalism as means of getting into power. Raila biggest problem is that luos have no big numbers.

There is no internal transition in Central. Apart from uhuru who comes from old money all the other leadership is home grown. The last dynasty was Akina karume..and michuki. These days being an mp depends solely on your ground game same thing with county seats..our mcas are real hustlers...
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 04:38:09 PM
Okay then maybe a generational change then.
There is no internal transition in Central. Apart from uhuru who comes from old money all the other leadership is home grown. The last dynasty was Akina karume..and michuki. These days being an mp depends solely on your ground game same thing with county seats..our mcas are real hustlers...
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Pajero on February 03, 2022, 05:03:44 PM
Ruto said he will defeat Raila even if oburu Odinga is made IEBC chair.So I don't understand this madness.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 03, 2022, 05:04:08 PM
You seem to live in your own world. Even Ruto has never uttered such words. Ruto will just build his own financial empire. You think he cares about Kenyattas and Mois of this world?
Ruto sis not on a revenge mission. He is just out for power and more wealth. Nothing else. All the talk of hustler nation is just kelele mingi.


Kenyans want Kenyatta and Moi empires decimated - that is genesis of hustler nation and gema revolt. Ruto will be very popular if he goes for the jugular and strangle the Kenyatta & Moi empires.
Not true; Ruto wants to build a financial empire of ordinary Kenyans at best. At a minimum, he wants regular Kenyans and those at the bottom not to wallow in extreme poverty. You can rest assured he will work day and night to make the lives of Kenyans way better. Financial empire? He will continue building it; however, he wants to donate to various groups, churches, and folks in his circle, unlike former presidents. He is the type of guy that would spend 80% of his money on giving out to others, especially the needy in society.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Kadudu on February 03, 2022, 05:38:47 PM
I just hope you do not believe your own wet dreams.

Not true; Ruto wants to build a financial empire of ordinary Kenyans at best. :D :D :D :D At a minimum, he wants regular Kenyans and those at the bottom not to wallow in extreme poverty. You can rest assured he will work day and night to make the lives of Kenyans way better. Financial empire? He will continue building it; however, he wants to donate to various groups, churches, and folks in his circle, unlike former presidents. He is the type of guy that would spend 80% of his money on giving out to others, especially the needy in society.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 03, 2022, 05:39:22 PM
You seem to live in your own world. Even Ruto has never uttered such words. Ruto will just build his own financial empire. You think he cares about Kenyattas and Mois of this world?
Ruto sis not on a revenge mission. He is just out for power and more wealth. Nothing else. All the talk of hustler nation is just kelele mingi.


Kenyans want Kenyatta and Moi empires decimated - that is genesis of hustler nation and gema revolt. Ruto will be very popular if he goes for the jugular and strangle the Kenyatta & Moi empires.
Not true; Ruto wants to build a financial empire of ordinary Kenyans at best. At a minimum, he wants regular Kenyans and those at the bottom not to wallow in extreme poverty. You can rest assured he will work day and night to make the lives of Kenyans way better. Financial empire? He will continue building it; however, he wants to donate to various groups, churches, and folks in his circle, unlike former presidents. He is the type of guy that would spend 80% of his money on giving out to others, especially the needy in society.

Ruto will end up like moi by administering simple solutions to complex problems. He suffers a Stalin and Napolean complex. He will fail and fail miserably unless he focuses on eat hot soup by nibbling it on the sides
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 03, 2022, 06:03:58 PM
I just hope you do not believe your own wet dreams.

Not true; Ruto wants to build a financial empire of ordinary Kenyans at best. :D :D :D :D At a minimum, he wants regular Kenyans and those at the bottom not to wallow in extreme poverty. You can rest assured he will work day and night to make the lives of Kenyans way better. Financial empire? He will continue building it; however, he wants to donate to various groups, churches, and folks in his circle, unlike former presidents. He is the type of guy that would spend 80% of his money on giving out to others, especially the needy in society.
Yes, I do because I know him up-close. His main goal is to see the lives of ordinary Kenyans improve.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 03, 2022, 11:00:46 PM

Lets see if Raila will whip ODM Mps
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 03, 2022, 11:55:34 PM
Raila is not principled - if Uhuru tells him the law is for his advantage - he will jumped into it. Why on earth would someone want to prevent broadcast of the results - the opagueness favour rigging.

Lets see if Raila will whip ODM Mps
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: gout on February 04, 2022, 12:38:36 PM
Very bad optics for babaman the liberation conman.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 04, 2022, 03:54:56 PM
Nothing in the bill prevents live streaming. All iebc is saying is that it will just announce the polling results from the polling station. The court rule in maina Kia vs iebc that the final count at the polling station is official result. If discrepancy exists the iebc must use this result to announce the winner
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 04, 2022, 04:36:50 PM
The timing is suspect. Waache nayo. Let them use Kiai ruling to come up with internal regulations. They had all the time to make these laws. Now anything anybody does that seem to change the rules of the games is just causing chaos.

We want free and fair election - because like never before - we cannot afford anything less.

Nothing in the bill prevents live streaming. All iebc is saying is that it will just announce the polling results from the polling station. The court rule in maina Kia vs iebc that the final count at the polling station is official result. If discrepancy exists the iebc must use this result to announce the winner
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 04, 2022, 05:02:18 PM
It is a tribal census not elections. Your tribe should keep their census integrity. Tukutane high Court or Supreme goat
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 04, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
We have about 100m arrows - each person has at least 10 poisoned arrows. That is what we dont want to bring to the forthe. For now Luhyas have marked themselves SAFE from arrows. Saa luos and gusii ndio naworry about - plus of course you people - if they dont vote samoei they open themselves for arrows.

Uhuru has deep state - Ruto has warriors.  This is what election will boils down if nobody btw them is willing to budge - bloodshed- senselss death - millions evicted - properties worth billions destroyed - livehood messed - thousandds raped - injured - chaos.

And possibly the violence will escalate beyond 2007 if museveni and kiir are willing to send a few weapons to eldoret :) like they look very willing. Remember warriors just need 10,000 guns and Uhuru will need drones and bombs otherwise when it come to gun fight - he cant win it. Pokot imeshida yeye tayari...and those are tiny grp of kalenjin nation.

Bottomline; This election haitaki JOKES. GEMA are ahead of the mlevi - they can see big danger and are suing for peace.

It is a tribal census not elections. Your tribe should keep their census integrity. Tukutane high Court or Supreme goat
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 04, 2022, 05:15:13 PM

Once he get the call from  State operatives he will tell his ODM brigade we need to support the new laws .The next thing you will hear from ODM MPs is how good the laws are followed by their supporters.
Very funny lot
Raila is not principled - if Uhuru tells him the law is for his advantage - he will jumped into it. Why on earth would someone want to prevent broadcast of the results - the opagueness favour rigging.

Lets see if Raila will whip ODM Mps
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 04, 2022, 05:17:19 PM

How many poisoned arrows do you have ?
We have about 100m arrows - each person has at least 10 poisoned arrows. That is what we dont want to bring to the forthe. For now Luhyas have marked themselves SAFE from arrows. Saa luos and gusii ndio naworry about - plus of course you people - if they dont vote samoei they open themselves for arrows.

Uhuru has deep state - Ruto has warriors.  This is what election will boils down if nobody btw them is willing to budge - bloodshed- senselss death - millions evicted - properties worth billions destroyed - livehood messed - thousandds raped - injured - chaos.

And possibly the violence will escalate beyond 2007 if museveni and kiir are willing to send a few weapons to eldoret :) like they look very willing. Remember warriors just need 10,000 guns and Uhuru will need drones and bombs otherwise when it come to gun fight - he cant win it. Pokot imeshida yeye tayari...and those are tiny grp of kalenjin nation.

Bottomline; This election haitaki JOKES. GEMA are ahead of the mlevi - they can see big danger and are suing for peace.

It is a tribal census not elections. Your tribe should keep their census integrity. Tukutane high Court or Supreme goat
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 04, 2022, 05:20:25 PM
Zero. But like every Kalenjin I know how to make all traditional weapons. Just give 9 inch nails - and I will make you as many arrows as you want. While you guys buy pangas - we buy 9 inch nails during war.

We spend three weeks learning to make all our weapons - arrows, bows, clubs, swords, etc. - to the best craftsmanship - with best of materials - to handle them to best of our abilities - and to use them to best of abilities.

That one month Kalenjin undergo intensive 2yrs of the yore compressed training on everything about being man, warfare and name it. most of days it all night events. You never get to see blanket. You sleep naked - well with loin clothe - if you can sleep - it total torture of a month - but out of it you form a lifefong brotherhood with guys you get tortured together. They become you BAKULE - just few notches from your blood brother.

How many poisoned arrows do you have ?
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 04, 2022, 05:31:39 PM

We saw how arrows faired against Bullets in Mt Elgon Operation. That was 15 years ago. Now we are in the drones era.  Good luck in pitching for war. weve warned you many times.
Zero. But like every Kalenjin I know how to make all traditional weapons. Just give 9 inch nails - and I will make you as many arrows as you want. While you guys buy pangas - we buy 9 inch nails during war.

We spend three weeks learning to make all our weapons - arrows, bows, clubs, swords, etc. - to the best craftsmanship - with best of materials - to handle them to best of our abilities - and to use them to best of abilities.

That one month Kalenjin undergo intensive 2yrs of the yore compressed training on everything about being man, warfare and name it. most of days it all night events. You never get to see blanket. You sleep naked - well with loin clothe - if you can sleep - it total torture of a month - but out of it you form a lifefong brotherhood with guys you get tortured together. They become you BAKULE - just few notches from your blood brother.

How many poisoned arrows do you have ?
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 04, 2022, 05:36:49 PM
Again you seem to have a problem when unfavorable stuff are said in your direction :) Please accept facts - I am here play what COULD HAPPEN.

SDLF boys were using guns. If there are Kalenjin people that kalenjin despise they are sabaots. Kalenjin despise them because they were being bukuzined - or bantuized - they intermarried with bukusu so much - they even speak like Bukusu. Nandis use to go, steal their cows and kill them in numbers. The British saved them from being finished - with other tribes in western Kenya.

If you think beating SDLF half-bukusu people who are like a small corner - very few people - is equivalent to beating kalenjin proper - then UKO NA JOKES :) :)

Pokots sio deadly - I think Nandis and Kipsigis - are the deadliest for their numbers and their bravery.

 In fact the most profilic cattle rustlers in Pokot now were Nandis who bailed out after losing the war to the Brits  - some went to Uganda, other Tanzania, others Pokots, Luhya, many move to kipsigis - everywhere to avoid British controlling their life and livestock.

I think there is whole division or district in Tanzania and Uganda with Nandis who drove their cattle out - when British instituted punitive war repartation. Nandis are bad-arse - Kipsigis next. Kipsigis are reasonable and peaceful - but Nandi once he decide it war - then they dont back down.

Learn to respect a savage like a Nandi man in 1895 fighting the brits for 15yrs!

We saw how arrows faired against Bullets in Mt Elgon Operation. That was 15 years ago. Now we are in the drones era.  Good luck in pitching for war. weve warned you many times.
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: sema on February 05, 2022, 12:29:07 AM
Are GEMA voting for Ruto because of his economic policies or because they don't want to be hit with poisonous arrows?

Kalenjins need to make up their minds.  On one side you are telling us that Ruto is popular because he is a hard worker, sober, etc he will fix kenya, etc

on the other hand, you are telling us that not voting for him will land you a poisonous arrow.  Which is it?
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 05, 2022, 08:05:09 AM
Ballot is yes or no..no space to explain why
Are GEMA voting for Ruto because of his economic policies or because they don't want to be hit with poisonous arrows?

Kalenjins need to make up their minds.  On one side you are telling us that Ruto is popular because he is a hard worker, sober, etc he will fix kenya, etc

on the other hand, you are telling us that not voting for him will land you a poisonous arrow.  Which is it?
Are GEMA voting for Ruto because of his economic policies or because they don't want to be hit with poisonous arrows?

Kalenjins need to make up their minds.  On one side you are telling us that Ruto is popular because he is a hard worker, sober, etc he will fix kenya, etc

on the other hand, you are telling us that not voting for him will land you a poisonous arrow.  Which is it?
Title: Re: Deep state determined to rig next election - more election law changes
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 21, 2022, 09:13:35 PM

These people read Nipate posts.
So the terminology Opaque came from here. Why were Junet refusing Manual voting only later to change mind ?
Deep state was hellbound in rigging


Raila is not principled - if Uhuru tells him the law is for his advantage - he will jumped into it. Why on earth would someone want to prevent broadcast of the results - the opagueness favour rigging.

Lets see if Raila will whip ODM Mps