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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: audacityofhope on January 16, 2022, 11:02:00 AM
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Those of you posting lines like "ODM will be lucky to have 30 MPs" (@Pundit) or that "UDA will have contestants in EVERY constituency and Ward" (low IQ @Nowayhaha) haven't a clue on what the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill is about or its implications on individual parties. I will not bother posting a link because you can easily Google that!
The bill which has already sailed through the National Assembly seeks to introduce the terminology of "coalition party" which in effect means coalitions will have to make compromises on fielding candidates.
As an example, here is Hon Tim Wanyonyi crying foul as he watches his dream of contesting Governorship of Nairobi being pulled from under his feet.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-11-dont-sacrifice-me-for-raila-says-mp-wanyonyi/ (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-11-dont-sacrifice-me-for-raila-says-mp-wanyonyi/)
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Polite note: I don't want idiots on my thread if they are not capable of supporting their arguments.
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Interesting..so mps will be elected mps of a coalition or individual parties..and what happened if they fall out..
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Interesting..so mps will be elected mps of a coalition or individual parties..and what happened if they fall out..
Good question. But let us start with your God and how his case relates with the current constitution. He was elected Deputy president on a Jubilee ticket but it is an open secret that he transferred his allegiance to another party - Udaku. So in the current dispensation, has he breached the Katiba? Absolutely. Is he still still the Deputy President. Yes he is. The law requires that he and all other members of parliament who no longer belong to parties that sponsored them to parliament, should resign and seek a fresh mandate. The Law is an arse - specifically the Kenyan law. I expect that when the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill becomes law after passing in the Senate, nothing will be different from what it is now, as per the question you asked namely "what happened (sic) if they fall out .... " because this is shithole zamunda territory
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This is the high IQ analysis. Damn.....
Those of you posting lines like "ODM will be lucky to have 30 MPs" (@Pundit) or that "UDA will have contestants in EVERY constituency and Ward" (low IQ @Nowayhaha) haven't a clue on what the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill is about or its implications on individual parties. I will not bother posting a link because you can easily Google that!
The bill which has already sailed through the National Assembly seeks to introduce the terminology of "coalition party" which in effect means coalitions will have to make compromises on fielding candidates.
As an example, here is Hon Tim Wanyonyi crying foul as he watches his dream of contesting Governorship of Nairobi being pulled from under his feet.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-11-dont-sacrifice-me-for-raila-says-mp-wanyonyi/ (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-11-dont-sacrifice-me-for-raila-says-mp-wanyonyi/)
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Please @Nowayhaha, respect my polite request. I have not read from you, any cogent argument (or any argument for that matter) on this thread that suggests that you have presented an analysis that is superior to the one I or any other member on this thread, just gave. Is that too much to ask on @Veritas blog?
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Which law do you read? The law exempt people who are in the same coalition. UDA and JP are in a coalition.
Interesting..so mps will be elected mps of a coalition or individual parties..and what happened if they fall out..
Good question. But let us start with your God and how his case relates with the current constitution. He was elected Deputy president on a Jubilee ticket but it is an open secret that he transferred his allegiance to another party - Udaku. So in the current dispensation, has he breached the Katiba? Absolutely. Is he still still the Deputy President. Yes he is. The law requires that he and all other members of parliament who no longer belong to parties that sponsored them to parliament, should resign and seek a fresh mandate. The Law is an arse - specifically the Kenyan law. I expect that when the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill becomes law after passing in the Senate, nothing will be different from what it is now, as per the question you asked namely "what happened (sic) if they fall out .... " because this is shithole zamunda territory
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I am reading from Katiba 2010 and subsequent amendments since. The political parties (amendment) bill is in process. Not yet law. Get off my thread Ignoramus, if you have nothing constructive to add whatever your monika name is.
Constitution of Kenya
103. Vacation of office of member of Parliament
(1) The office of a member of Parliament becomes vacant--
(a) if the member dies;
(b) if, during any session of Parliament, the member is absent from eight sittings of the relevant House without permission, in writing, from the Speaker, and is unable to offer a satisfactory explanation for the absence to the
relevant committee;
(c) if the member is otherwise removed from office under this Constitution or legislation enacted under Article 80;
(d) if the member resigns from Parliament in writing to the Speaker;
(e) if, having been elected to Parliament--
(i) as a member of a political party, the member resigns from that party or is deemed to have resigned from the party as determined in accordance with the legislation contemplated in clause (2); or
(ii) as an independent candidate, the member joins a political party;
Which law do you read? The law exempt people who are in the same coalition. UDA and JP are in a coalition.
Interesting..so mps will be elected mps of a coalition or individual parties..and what happened if they fall out..
Good question. But let us start with your God and how his case relates with the current constitution. He was elected Deputy president on a Jubilee ticket but it is an open secret that he transferred his allegiance to another party - Udaku. So in the current dispensation, has he breached the Katiba? Absolutely. Is he still still the Deputy President. Yes he is. The law requires that he and all other members of parliament who no longer belong to parties that sponsored them to parliament, should resign and seek a fresh mandate. The Law is an arse - specifically the Kenyan law. I expect that when the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill becomes law after passing in the Senate, nothing will be different from what it is now, as per the question you asked namely "what happened (sic) if they fall out .... " because this is shithole zamunda territory
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14. Resignation from political party (1) A member of a political party who intends to resign from the political party shall give a written notice prior to his resignation to— (a) the political party; (b) the clerk of the relevant House of Parliament, if the member is a member of Parliament; or (c) the clerk of a county assembly, if the member is a member of a county assembly. (2) The resignation of the member of the political party shall take effect upon receipt of such notice by the political party or clerk of the relevant House or county assembly. (3) The political party of which the person is a member, the member, or the clerk of the relevant House of Parliament or of a county assembly of which the person is a member shall notify the Registrar of such resignation within seven days of the resignation. (3A) Upon receiving the notification under subsection (3), the Registrar shall cause the name of such member to be removed from the membership list of that political party. (4) A person shall not be a member of more than one political party at the same time. (5) A person who, while being a member of a political party— (a) forms another political party; (b) joins in the formation of another political party; (c) joins another political party; (d) in any way or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party; or (e) promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party, shall, notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) or the provisions of any other written law, be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party. (5A) A political party whose member is deemed to have resigned under subsection (5), shall in accordance with the procedure set out in the constitution of that political party, notify the Registrar of such decision within seven days
(6) Subject to specific provisions of a coalition or merger agreement, subsection (5)(c), (d) and (e) shall not apply to a member of a political party which enters into a merger or a coalition with another party. (7) A member of a political party may only be expelled from that political party if the member has infringed the Constitution of the political party and after the member has been afforded a fair opportunity to be heard in accordance with the internal party disputes resolution mechanisms as prescribed in the Constitution of the party. (8) A person who suppresses or attempts to suppress any lawful political activity of another person commits an offence and shall, on conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding one million shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both.
I am reading from Katiba 2010 and subsequent amendments since. The political parties (amendment) bill is in process. Not yet law. Get off my thread Ignoramus, if you have nothing constructive to add whatever your monika name is.
Constitution of Kenya
103. Vacation of office of member of Parliament
(1) The office of a member of Parliament becomes vacant--
(a) if the member dies;
(b) if, during any session of Parliament, the member is absent from eight sittings of the relevant House without permission, in writing, from the Speaker, and is unable to offer a satisfactory explanation for the absence to the
relevant committee;
(c) if the member is otherwise removed from office under this Constitution or legislation enacted under Article 80;
(d) if the member resigns from Parliament in writing to the Speaker;
(e) if, having been elected to Parliament--
(i) as a member of a political party, the member resigns from that party or is deemed to have resigned from the party as determined in accordance with the legislation contemplated in clause (2); or
(ii) as an independent candidate, the member joins a political party;
Which law do you read? The law exempt people who are in the same coalition. UDA and JP are in a coalition.
Interesting..so mps will be elected mps of a coalition or individual parties..and what happened if they fall out..
Good question. But let us start with your God and how his case relates with the current constitution. He was elected Deputy president on a Jubilee ticket but it is an open secret that he transferred his allegiance to another party - Udaku. So in the current dispensation, has he breached the Katiba? Absolutely. Is he still still the Deputy President. Yes he is. The law requires that he and all other members of parliament who no longer belong to parties that sponsored them to parliament, should resign and seek a fresh mandate. The Law is an arse - specifically the Kenyan law. I expect that when the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill becomes law after passing in the Senate, nothing will be different from what it is now, as per the question you asked namely "what happened (sic) if they fall out .... " because this is shithole zamunda territory
Read part 6 of section 14 of the political parties act idiot! You think mlevi would have let Kina Ichung'wa roam free when there is a law that can allow them be kicked out?
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14. Resignation from political party (1) A member of a political party who intends to resign from the political party shall give a written notice prior to his resignation to— (a) the political party; (b) the clerk of the relevant House of Parliament, if the member is a member of Parliament; or (c) the clerk of a county assembly, if the member is a member of a county assembly. (2) The resignation of the member of the political party shall take effect upon receipt of such notice by the political party or clerk of the relevant House or county assembly. (3) The political party of which the person is a member, the member, or the clerk of the relevant House of Parliament or of a county assembly of which the person is a member shall notify the Registrar of such resignation within seven days of the resignation. (3A) Upon receiving the notification under subsection (3), the Registrar shall cause the name of such member to be removed from the membership list of that political party. (4) A person shall not be a member of more than one political party at the same time. (5) A person who, while being a member of a political party— (a) forms another political party; (b) joins in the formation of another political party; (c) joins another political party; (d) in any way or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party; or (e) promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party, shall, notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) or the provisions of any other written law, be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party. (5A) A political party whose member is deemed to have resigned under subsection (5), shall in accordance with the procedure set out in the constitution of that political party, notify the Registrar of such decision within seven days
(6) Subject to specific provisions of a coalition or merger agreement, subsection (5)(c), (d) and (e) shall not apply to a member of a political party which enters into a merger or a coalition with another party. (7) A member of a political party may only be expelled from that political party if the member has infringed the Constitution of the political party and after the member has been afforded a fair opportunity to be heard in accordance with the internal party disputes resolution mechanisms as prescribed in the Constitution of the party. (8) A person who suppresses or attempts to suppress any lawful political activity of another person commits an offence and shall, on conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding one million shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both.
I am reading from Katiba 2010 and subsequent amendments since. The political parties (amendment) bill is in process. Not yet law. Get off my thread Ignoramus, if you have nothing constructive to add whatever your monika name is.
Constitution of Kenya
103. Vacation of office of member of Parliament
(1) The office of a member of Parliament becomes vacant--
(a) if the member dies;
(b) if, during any session of Parliament, the member is absent from eight sittings of the relevant House without permission, in writing, from the Speaker, and is unable to offer a satisfactory explanation for the absence to the
relevant committee;
(c) if the member is otherwise removed from office under this Constitution or legislation enacted under Article 80;
(d) if the member resigns from Parliament in writing to the Speaker;
(e) if, having been elected to Parliament--
(i) as a member of a political party, the member resigns from that party or is deemed to have resigned from the party as determined in accordance with the legislation contemplated in clause (2); or
(ii) as an independent candidate, the member joins a political party;
Which law do you read? The law exempt people who are in the same coalition. UDA and JP are in a coalition.
Interesting..so mps will be elected mps of a coalition or individual parties..and what happened if they fall out..
Good question. But let us start with your God and how his case relates with the current constitution. He was elected Deputy president on a Jubilee ticket but it is an open secret that he transferred his allegiance to another party - Udaku. So in the current dispensation, has he breached the Katiba? Absolutely. Is he still still the Deputy President. Yes he is. The law requires that he and all other members of parliament who no longer belong to parties that sponsored them to parliament, should resign and seek a fresh mandate. The Law is an arse - specifically the Kenyan law. I expect that when the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill becomes law after passing in the Senate, nothing will be different from what it is now, as per the question you asked namely "what happened (sic) if they fall out .... " because this is shithole zamunda territory
Read part 6 of section 14 of the political parties act idiot! You think mlevi would have let Kina Ichung'wa roam free when there is a law that can allow them be kicked out?
Okay @genius, I have seen the light. Thank you for filling in that knowledge gap with your well supported argument. :sign0098:
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I dont quite yet understand how the mongrel called political coalition party will work. So Azimio is registered both as coalition and a party. Meaning you can run in Azimio - which is also coalition. If coalition agreement dies - you remain in Azimio?How does that solve the problem of having one big party? Azimio would want to present one candidate but how will 10 parties under it agree who flies the azimio flag?
My expectation - any competent court will find the mongrel of political coalition party - uncostitutional and it will be thrown out.
The other ammendments are fine
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Yeah. Plus you cannot belong to more than one party.
I dont quite yet understand how the mongrel called political coalition party will work. So Azimio is registered both as coalition and a party. Meaning you can run in Azimio - which is also coalition. If coalition agreement dies - you remain in Azimio?How does that solve the problem of having one big party? Azimio would want to present one candidate but how will 10 parties under it agree who flies the azimio flag?
My expectation - any competent court will find the mongrel of political coalition party - uncostitutional and it will be thrown out.
The other ammendments are fine
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It will be thrown out for lack of public participation.
The Bill was made to lock in Mudavadi Wetangula or Kalonzo and small parties sitting out till last minute to join Ruto. Simple and clear.
I dont quite yet understand how the mongrel called political coalition party will work. So Azimio is registered both as coalition and a party. Meaning you can run in Azimio - which is also coalition. If coalition agreement dies - you remain in Azimio?How does that solve the problem of having one big party? Azimio would want to present one candidate but how will 10 parties under it agree who flies the azimio flag?
My expectation - any competent court will find the mongrel of political coalition party - uncostitutional and it will be thrown out.
The other ammendments are fine
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I dont quite yet understand how the mongrel called political coalition party will work. So Azimio is registered both as coalition and a party. Meaning you can run in Azimio - which is also coalition. If coalition agreement dies - you remain in Azimio?How does that solve the problem of having one big party? Azimio would want to present one candidate but how will 10 parties under it agree who flies the azimio flag?
My expectation - any competent court will find the mongrel of political coalition party - uncostitutional and it will be thrown out.
The other ammendments are fine
I don't get what your panicky concerns are. In the beginning was TNA & URP. Any of those two parties could have collapsed as in Ford splitting up into Ford Asili and Ford-K. Anyway TNA and URP merged to take the name that was the name of the coalition - Jubilee. So what if Jubilee "dies", does Kenya politically come to an end. No!
Back to your dumb question. If the law says the "10 parties in Azimio must present one candidate", then it will be so because THAT IS THE LAW. As it is now, we pretty much know who owns Azimio & the unseen hand behind it, so they will decide who carries the Azimio flag just as it is already decided who will be Azimio presidential candidate. I gave you that example and link about Hon Tim Wanyonyi finding himself helpless.
Back there you touted yourself as an analyst par excellence but kumbe you can be just a chokora at times in which case the title of this thread does really apply to you.
Psst learn from me on this one and after doing so go make adjustments on that MOASS of yours. I might then be able to read it. Yes you heard it here from me coz I am an armchair analyst who when I have time, I cogitate!
So listen carefully. The "System" is a living breathing thing that learns from loopholes it didn't cover, which is unlike many of you on this forum! In 2007 Kibaki handlers openly rigged the presidential vote but forgot his MP numbers. ODM thereafter gave them a hard time in parliament. So come 2013 & 2017 the "System" also opted to rig in a number of MP seats. You can tell those from the ones that were winning with a consistent 54% on the sever. Now fast forward to 2022, the last thing the system want is the Kalonzo katikati game. Stay with me on this one so I explain: NASA lost seats to Jubilee coz the individual parties in the coalition fielded candidates and shared NASA votes allowing weak candidates to win seats. So that is the real purpose of the political parties bill, to prevent Ruto sponsoring candidates from various parties - now or even last minute - so that they defeat what in effect would be the most popular candidate on the ballot. Now if you haven't heard that story then surely you do not have your ears onthe ground. GOOD DAY!
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You're an idiot who should be digging kumbe kumbe and not be engaging in adult conversation.
Let your facts speak for itself or go back to choo.com with your base insult - typical ODMoron.
None of the convoluted political coalition party make any sense.
Jubilee coalition became Jubilee party. That is tight coupling.
The reason why Azimio want this loose coupling is to avoid party nomination leading to one candidate.
Now how will Azimio decide which of 10 parties will carry the official party flag?
Will they zone the country - say ODM flies Azimio in Nyanza? When it come to Nairobi - it become every party for it's own.
This law doesnt make any sense.
Uhuru is just sending Raila in wild goose chase because he need an excuse to delay coalition btw Jubilee and ODM.
That is really the main target - Jubilee in another month will probably be dead as dodo - with Tuju alone.
The six months deadline was meant to pressurize OKA - but that failed - it's was reduced to 4 months to election - meaning April 10th is deadline for pre-election campaigns.
In any case I dont see that mongrel of political coalition surviving constitutional court challenge.
And most importantly like BBI or OKOA - anyone who blames the tools (law) or the jembe is not a farmer.
The lack of political strategy this late in the game is really the reason for all the panic, matusi and violence from ODMorons.
The first strategy ought to have been to retain 45 percent of NASA - before going on a wild goose chase in Jubilee waters.
Obviously that has failed - Kalonzo look set to run - and MaDVD set to run or join UDA with Weta - and Azimio is just ODM (few Jubilee members are leaving one by one) - maybe Azimio will be ODM + PNU :) - that now boast of zero mp and one governor.
I dont quite yet understand how the mongrel called political coalition party will work. So Azimio is registered both as coalition and a party. Meaning you can run in Azimio - which is also coalition. If coalition agreement dies - you remain in Azimio?How does that solve the problem of having one big party? Azimio would want to present one candidate but how will 10 parties under it agree who flies the azimio flag?
My expectation - any competent court will find the mongrel of political coalition party - uncostitutional and it will be thrown out.
The other ammendments are fine
I don't get what your panicky concerns are. In the beginning was TNA & URP. Any of those two parties could have collapsed as in Ford splitting up into Ford Asili and Ford-K. Anyway TNA and URP merged to take the name that was the name of the coalition - Jubilee. So what if Jubilee "dies",does Kenya politically come to an end. No!
Back to your dumb question. If the law says the "10 parties in Azimio must present one candidate", then it will be so because THAT IS THE LAW.
Back there you touted yourself as an a analyst par excellence but kumbe you can be just a chokora at times in which case the title of this thread does really apply to you.
Psst learn from me on this one and after doing so go make adjustments on that MOASS of yours. I might then be able to read it. Yes you heard it here from me coz I am an armchair analyst who when I have time, I cogitate!
So listen carefully. The "System" is a living breathing thing that learns from loopholes it didn't cover, which is unlike many of you on this forum! In 2007 Kibaki handlers openly rigged the presidential vote but forgot his MP numbers. ODM thereafter gave them a hard time in parliament. So come 2013 & 2017 the "System" also opted to rig in a number of MP seats. You can tell those from the ones that were winning with a consistent 54% on the sever. Now fast forward to 2022, the last thing the system want is the Kalonzo katikati game. Stay with me on this one so I explain: NASA lost seats to Jubilee coz the individual parties in the coalition fielded candidates and shared NASA votes allowing weak candidates to win seats. So that is the real purpose of the political parties bill, to prevent Ruto sponsoring candidates from various parties - now or even last minute - so that they defeat what in effect would be the most popular candidate on the ballot. Now if you haven't had that story then surely you do not have your ears onthe ground. GOOD DAY!
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You can write as long an insha as you want but as long as you fail to paste at least one link or quote at least one Authority, then you have said zero and do not merit a response from me. A class example to emulate is what @Higgins the genius posted above.
Look I am a scholar and citations act as proof that you have researched your topic thoroughly and not just posted to annoy or waste other people's time. Those like this one and majority of what you have posted before it, I just ignore!
You have been filling up cyber space on this forum with all manner of unsupported rubbish, it is time someone told you that among intellectuals, there are base lines of rules of engagement which @Veritas should have told you about already. (Hii post imfikie @veritas kabla haijafutwa).
You're an idiot who should be digging kumbe kumbe and not be engaging in adult conversation.
Let your facts speak for itself or go back to choo.com with your base insult - typical ODMoron.
None of the convoluted political coalition party make any sense.
Jubilee coalition became Jubilee party. That is tight coupling.
The reason why Azimio want this loose coupling is to avoid party nomination leading to one candidate.
Now how will Azimio decide which of 10 parties will carry the official party flag?
Will they zone the country - say ODM flies Azimio in Nyanza? When it come to Nairobi - it become every party for it's own.
This law doesnt make any sense.
Uhuru is just sending Raila in wild goose chase because he need an excuse to delay coalition btw Jubilee and ODM.
That is really the main target - Jubilee in another month will probably be dead as dodo - with Tuju alone.
The six months deadline was meant to pressurize OKA - but that failed - it's was reduced to 4 months to election - meaning April 10th is deadline for pre-election campaigns.
In any case I dont see that mongrel of political coalition surviving constitutional court challenge.
And most importantly like BBI or OKOA - anyone who blames the tools (law) or the jembe is not a farmer.
The lack of political strategy this late in the game is really the reason for all the panic, matusi and violence from ODMorons.
The first strategy ought to have been to retain 45 percent of NASA - before going on a wild goose chase in Jubilee waters.
Obviously that has failed - Kalonzo look set to run - and MaDVD set to run or join UDA with Weta - and Azimio is just ODM (few Jubilee members are leaving one by one) - maybe Azimio will be ODM + PNU :) - that now boast of zero mp and one governor.
I dont quite yet understand how the mongrel called political coalition party will work. So Azimio is registered both as coalition and a party. Meaning you can run in Azimio - which is also coalition. If coalition agreement dies - you remain in Azimio?How does that solve the problem of having one big party? Azimio would want to present one candidate but how will 10 parties under it agree who flies the azimio flag?
My expectation - any competent court will find the mongrel of political coalition party - uncostitutional and it will be thrown out.
The other ammendments are fine
I don't get what your panicky concerns are. In the beginning was TNA & URP. Any of those two parties could have collapsed as in Ford splitting up into Ford Asili and Ford-K. Anyway TNA and URP merged to take the name that was the name of the coalition - Jubilee. So what if Jubilee "dies",does Kenya politically come to an end. No!
Back to your dumb question. If the law says the "10 parties in Azimio must present one candidate", then it will be so because THAT IS THE LAW.
Back there you touted yourself as an a analyst par excellence but kumbe you can be just a chokora at times in which case the title of this thread does really apply to you.
Psst learn from me on this one and after doing so go make adjustments on that MOASS of yours. I might then be able to read it. Yes you heard it here from me coz I am an armchair analyst who when I have time, I cogitate!
So listen carefully. The "System" is a living breathing thing that learns from loopholes it didn't cover, which is unlike many of you on this forum! In 2007 Kibaki handlers openly rigged the presidential vote but forgot his MP numbers. ODM thereafter gave them a hard time in parliament. So come 2013 & 2017 the "System" also opted to rig in a number of MP seats. You can tell those from the ones that were winning with a consistent 54% on the sever. Now fast forward to 2022, the last thing the system want is the Kalonzo katikati game. Stay with me on this one so I explain: NASA lost seats to Jubilee coz the individual parties in the coalition fielded candidates and shared NASA votes allowing weak candidates to win seats. So that is the real purpose of the political parties bill, to prevent Ruto sponsoring candidates from various parties - now or even last minute - so that they defeat what in effect would be the most popular candidate on the ballot. Now if you haven't had that story then surely you do not have your ears onthe ground. GOOD DAY!
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Kumbe Kumbe intellectual. Why would I waste time with something that is even the law? Let it pass the senate - get signed into law by Uhuru - and we can resume - if it doesnt get challenged at constitutional court. It obvious to anybody that stretching the constitutional meaning of a political party is unconstitutional.
You can write as long an insha as you want but as long as you fail to paste at least one link or quote at least one Authority, then you have said zero and do not merit a response from me. A class example to emulate is what @Higgins the genius posted above.
Look I am a scholar and citations act as proof that you have researched your topic thoroughly and not just posted to annoy or waste other people's time. Those like this one and majority of what you have posted before it, I just ignore!
You have been filling up cyber space on this forum with all manner of unsupported rubbish, it is time someone told you that among intellectuals, there are base lines of rules of engagement which @Veritas should have told you about already. (Hii post imfikie @veritas kabla haijafutwa).
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This sounds like the lamest attempt to revive Okiki Omayo party discipline to force out Ruto out of DPORK. Which makes no sense because you accusing ruto of running to UDA while ufool is in ODM.
The rig proofing on MPs vote or is it count?? versus presidential vote is even more lame.
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This sounds like the lamest attempt to revive Okiki Omayo party discipline to force out Ruto out of DPORK. Which makes no sense because you accusing ruto of running to UDA while ufool is in ODM.
The rig proofing on MPs vote or is it count?? versus presidential vote is even more lame.
@Higgins the genius already explained quoting the Constitution which as is, is on William's side. Read other people's posts first before you come payukarig here with issues that have already been settled and clarified. Eish!
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This makes it a more funnier confused mongrel, UDA is in a coalition with Jubilee Party STOP then Jubilee will enter a coalition with ODM!
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That is why this political coalition mongrel should be declared null and void - it will totally mess up political parties - it will lose the meaning.
Political party is not idle construct
In fact constitution declare kenya to be a multi-party in Article 4 - so it very WEIGHTY ISSUE
CHAPTER TWO––THE REPUBLIC
4. (1) Kenya is a sovereign Republic.
(2) The Republic of Kenya shall be a multi-party democratic State
founded on the national values and principles of governance referred
to in Article 10.
The word party is mentioned 58 times!!!
I dont see this one surviving a constitutional court assault.
This makes it a more funnier confused mongrel, UDA is in a coalition with Jubilee Party STOP then Jubilee will enter a coalition with ODM!
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This makes it a more funnier confused mongrel, UDA is in a coalition with Jubilee Party STOP then Jubilee will enter a coalition with ODM!
You are right about that. Really messy indeed. But if we abide by the 4-months deadline in the Political parties bill then come April 10th, new coalition formation must be completed. UDA and ODM will be in different coalitions. Jubilee party will either be with UDA or ODM but NOT both. That will settle it. All the more reason this Political parties (Amendment) Bill must pass to minimize the confusion.
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It was already a confused mongrel. The PP(Amendment) Bill is attempting to fix the confusion that often arises and has enabled party hopping with reckless abandon in the past!
(See, if you cite authorities like you have done, I gadly respond to your post).
That is why this political coalition mongrel should be declared null and void - it will totally mess up political parties - it will lose the meaning.
Political party is not idle construct
In fact constitution declare kenya to be a multi-party in Article 4 - so it very WEIGHTY ISSUE
CHAPTER TWO––THE REPUBLIC
4. (1) Kenya is a sovereign Republic.
(2) The Republic of Kenya shall be a multi-party democratic State
founded on the national values and principles of governance referred
to in Article 10.
The word party is mentioned 58 times!!!
I dont see this one surviving a constitutional court assault.
This makes it a more funnier confused mongrel, UDA is in a coalition with Jubilee Party STOP then Jubilee will enter a coalition with ODM!
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Dont confuse confusion with indecision; The real confusion is to have ODM has a party and as coalition; where members are either individuals or corporates; so basically ODM can have usual members; but also DAP of Bungoma can become a corporate member of ODM. That will lead to lots of messy especially when divorce happens.
You are right about that. Really messy indeed. But if we abide by the 4-months deadline in the Political parties bill then come April 10th, new coalition formation must be completed. UDA and ODM will be in different coalitions. Jubilee party will either be with UDA or ODM but NOT both. That will settle it. All the more reason this Political parties (Amendment) Bill must pass to minimize the confusion.
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There was no confusion. What we have had in Kenya is parties failing to honour their MOUs beginning with Kibaki's NAK and LDP MOU - and recently NASA coalition.
The real problem is changing the meaning of political party to include political coalition party. That I find offensive to our katiba and will be thrown out. The constitution talks about parties. Parties should form coalition. This new mongrel called party coalition party - with corporate membership and individual membership is a big problem.
Otherwise nobody has problems codifying how parties in coalition can share funds, sign and honour mous - those are okay - to prevent Raila odinga shafting NASA principals - by claiming all the funds are ODM despite being NASA.
The only coalition in kenya that has worked was Jubilee coalition - URP/TNA - plus little of NARC/Balala. It worked so well it became a political party by parties collapsing.
It was already a confused mongrel. The PP(Amendment) Bill is attempting to fix the confusion that often arises and has enabled party hopping with reckless abandon in the past!
See if you cite authorities like you have done, I am gladly respond to your post.
That is why this political coalition mongrel should be declared null and void - it will totally mess up political parties - it will lose the meaning.
Political party is not idle construct
In fact constitution declare kenya to be a multi-party in Article 4 - so it very WEIGHTY ISSUE
CHAPTER TWO––THE REPUBLIC
4. (1) Kenya is a sovereign Republic.
(2) The Republic of Kenya shall be a multi-party democratic State
founded on the national values and principles of governance referred
to in Article 10.
The word party is mentioned 58 times!!!
I dont see this one surviving a constitutional court assault.
This makes it a more funnier confused mongrel, UDA is in a coalition with Jubilee Party STOP then Jubilee will enter a coalition with ODM!
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Send your senator to raise these concerns before the PP (Amendment) Bill becomes law. It seems your MP was asleep or incapable when the bill was passed by the National Assembly.
Dont confuse confusion with indecision; The real confusion is to have ODM has a party and as coalition; where members are either individuals or corporates; so basically ODM can have usual members; but also DAP of Bungoma can become a corporate member of ODM. That will lead to lots of messy especially when divorce happens.
You are right about that. Really messy indeed. But if we abide by the 4-months deadline in the Political parties bill then come April 10th, new coalition formation must be completed. UDA and ODM will be in different coalitions. Jubilee party will either be with UDA or ODM but NOT both. That will settle it. All the more reason this Political parties (Amendment) Bill must pass to minimize the confusion.
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These issues were raised and like BBI Azimio la Ujinga has bulldozed it - and it will be declated Null and VOID by any constitutional court. Shida yako nini haswa?
We can participate in many ways - while in law making - and post law making by going to court.
Nipate is one such forum to interrogate this odious rushed ammendment.
Send your senator to raise these concerns before the PP (Amendment) Bill becomes law. It seems your MP was asleep or incapable when the bill was passed by the National Assembly.
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Those of you posting lines like "ODM will be lucky to have 30 MPs" (@Pundit) or that "UDA will have contestants in EVERY constituency and Ward" (low IQ @Nowayhaha) haven't a clue on what the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill is about or its implications on individual parties. I will not bother posting a link because you can easily Google that!
The bill which has already sailed through the National Assembly seeks to introduce the terminology of "coalition party" which in effect means coalitions will have to make compromises on fielding candidates.
As an example, here is Hon Tim Wanyonyi crying foul as he watches his dream of contesting Governorship of Nairobi being pulled from under his feet.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-11-dont-sacrifice-me-for-raila-says-mp-wanyonyi/ (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-11-dont-sacrifice-me-for-raila-says-mp-wanyonyi/)
I think Tim is sleeping better now that Azimio heard his cries:
ODM’s Raila Odinga Allegedly Hint at his Preferred Nairobi’s Next Governor (https://ke.opera.news/ke/en/politics/amp/8942c572a8bc94afdc4371f3cd0a6fdd)
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Tim will carry it if Azimio give him the ticket; he is popular in Nairobi and I would vote for him unless UDA give us better than Wanjiru
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The blessing in disguise which happened was the cancellation of by election. Wanjiru had bought the nomination cert from Muthama and she was going to easily win. Just like 2017 I dont think she will win the nominations .One needs mobilization tactics like sonko , lots of money and thugs to win nomination.Depending on competitors its easy to win on election day.
Tim will carry it if Azimio give him the ticket; he is popular in Nairobi and I would vote for him unless UDA give us better than Wanjiru