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Title: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 21, 2021, 09:57:40 AM
Muturi is sick in Dubai. Deputy Speaker Cheboi will preside over the matter. It's obvious he will kill it or put in abeyance. The changes are unconstitutional as it alters the constitutional meaning of a political party to include a coalition of parties.

Once again like BBI - lack of long term planning and foresight - is coming to bite them.

The plan for amendment is to allow
1) Coalition to behave like political party - like PNU of old days - that was a coalition and a party
2) Force coalition making six months  to election - instead of the 2 months to election. Right now the deadline for coalition is 30th May. Raila and his company want OKA to be forced to make a decision by Feb.

If Cheboi kills or put it abeyances - next parliament resume on 25th Jan - for their final session - leaving no time for law to pass through both houses and be ready to be implemented by February.


https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/ruto-mps-take-on-uhuru-raila-camp-over-party-bill-3659116
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 22, 2021, 11:20:55 AM
Kimunya and Kigano struggling - look like the mood of the house is to throw away these BBI like machination
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 22, 2021, 01:25:11 PM
113 Yes and 68 for No
The motion to be moved....
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 22, 2021, 01:27:55 PM
Cheboi suspend todays sitting

People go to Christmas -

And next parliament session in 25th January.

Cheboi pulls a first one.

Azimio wanted deadline for coalition pushed back to February.

Now its impossible
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 22, 2021, 01:33:30 PM
The Azimio guys cant believe they been played 10-nil
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 28, 2021, 12:47:35 PM
Will Muturi be present tomorrow or still stuck in Dubai?

Look like UDA mps want to throw the house into another spin tomorrow. Cheboi had told them to harmonize their "70" amendments - and that has not happened

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-12-28-uda-allied-mps-storm-out-of-justice-legal-affairs-committee-meeting/
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 29, 2021, 08:22:25 AM
Looking at the order paper - these many amendments will be impossible to be voted for or against in a single sitting - look like UDA allied MPs want to buy time.


http://www.parliament.go.ke/sites/default/files/2021-12/SPECIAL%20SITTING%20ON%20WEDNESDAY%20DECEMBER%20-%2029-12-2021%20-%20MORNING%20SITTING.pdf
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 29, 2021, 08:45:26 AM
ODM dont realise that this will play against them.
They should learn something from Ruto whatever he calls "win win"
Politics is about give and take. ODM are always playing armchair tactics politics . It has never worked anywhere . They tried it during 2010 Constituional talks , Ruto went for win win .We got a new constituion and He became the DP.

Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 29, 2021, 09:08:44 AM
Yes this will call for sober negotiation - otherwise UDA Mps are going to frustrate the ammendment. Today session will have to be postphoned because there is no way the house can clean up 100 ammendments.

Ruto made sense - there has to be provision for pre and post election coalitions - and flexible timelines. The political registar also should not unilaterally manage party list.

ODM dont realise that this will play against them.
They should learn something from Ruto whatever he calls "win win"
Politics is about give and take. ODM are always playing armchair tactics politics . It has never worked anywhere . They tried it during 2010 Constituional talks , Ruto went for win win .We got a new constituion and He became the DP.


Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 29, 2021, 10:03:27 AM
Cheboi still presiding.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 29, 2021, 10:41:41 AM
Cheboi cull many proposals; they need to undergo public participation; and are out scope.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 29, 2021, 11:53:20 AM
Azimio beaten 123 versus 118 - 1st amendment sails through.

Something about the virtual screen not displaying...
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: GeeMail on December 29, 2021, 03:44:29 PM
I hear blows were exchanged.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 29, 2021, 04:24:40 PM
Yeah missed most of it..look  like it going to end in bloodbath unless speaker intervene
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 30, 2021, 02:28:20 AM
Look like the drama will continue next week from 5th to the 7th... then the bill will be taken to senate....for more drama...
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on December 30, 2021, 09:19:01 AM

What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on December 30, 2021, 09:30:15 AM
When they realize Uhuru is playing them for fools; they will have no option but wave the white flag.
What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Kichwa on December 30, 2021, 04:36:52 PM
There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on December 31, 2021, 08:46:01 AM
There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 31, 2021, 01:11:03 PM

You people live a bubble, self deceiting world. Why RAO will not become president is simply coz Mt Kenya will vote against him.
If Raila want Ruto to lose he should do another 2002 and sit out.

There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: GeeMail on December 31, 2021, 01:21:19 PM
So why start gazillion threads about it if he lose already? You shoot yourself in the feet gazillion times then claim your man doing good.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Kichwa on December 31, 2021, 04:03:51 PM
 You are stuck into "kikuyus will never vote for RAO"  like a broken record.  We will soon find out who is living in a bubble. Things have changed bro.  Wake up and smell the proverbial coffee.


You people live a bubble, self deceiting world. Why RAO will not become president is simply coz Mt Kenya will vote against him.
If Raila want Ruto to lose he should do another 2002 and sit out.

There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Kichwa on December 31, 2021, 04:10:50 PM
There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on December 31, 2021, 06:29:16 PM
There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
That is not scientific. I think he had the wind on his back in 2007, and yes, partly because of DP Ruto. In all his tries, I think this is worse, and yes, partly again because he is competing with someone who has people behind his back. Ruto is a stallion, while 'baba' is a wounded donkey after 5 failed bouts.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 31, 2021, 06:53:52 PM

Raila led a campaign against Mt Kenya, in so doing he unified Mt Kenya, Mt Kenya has been punishing him for the same in all subsequent elections.
If Raila was smart he would sit out in the 2022 ele tions

There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
That is not scientific. I think he had the wind on his back in 2007, and yes, partly because of DP Ruto. In all his tries, I think this is worse, and yes, partly again because he is competing with someone who has people behind his back. Ruto is a stallion, while 'baba' is a wounded donkey after 5 failed bouts.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Kichwa on December 31, 2021, 07:55:14 PM
There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
That is not scientific. I think he had the wind on his back in 2007, and yes, partly because of DP Ruto. In all his tries, I think this is worse, and yes, partly again because he is competing with someone who has people behind his back. Ruto is a stallion, while 'baba' is a wounded donkey after 5 failed bouts.

Ok bro. Right now, I'd rather be where this wounded donkey is than where the stallion is.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 05, 2022, 12:01:59 PM
Chaos continue....there are still 26 pages of amendments. This is war of attrition. Look like UDA folks knowing they dont have the numbers want to drag this processes as long as possible. Senate the same.

This is where leadership is required. Both parties - should call for talks - otherwise this a gigantic mess - before it get to senate - and is dragged again through this same procedure.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 05, 2022, 12:12:39 PM
Look like six months has been ammended to 3 months to election. This has reduced the clutter by a lot. That was one contentious ammendment meant to pressure OKA to make move early.

Now what remain contentious is the power of the registar of political parties vis managing party lists.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: gout on January 05, 2022, 02:52:47 PM
What do the laws portend for incumbent MPs given our history of kicking 70% of them. Chances after nominations?

Or is just petty dick measuring contest.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 05, 2022, 03:33:11 PM
I bet mpigs will want flexibility post-party nomination - so basically blurring the lines of parties and coalition - like kibaki PNU seem the end game. The idea is to weaken political parties - and have fluid situation like Kibaki pulled when he realeased he had few votes.
What do the laws portend for incumbent MPs given our history of kicking 70% of them. Chances after nominations?

Or is just petty dick measuring contest.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 05, 2022, 03:34:10 PM
They are on clause 9 - still some way to go - 45 percent versus 55 percent. No bad for UDA.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 05, 2022, 03:35:01 PM
Clause 9 - seem Yes pulled a win (UDA?)
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Pajero on January 05, 2022, 08:27:14 PM
Pundito,speaker cheboi can go ahead and have his parliamentary sittings on 25 Jan with his Kalenjin wing of mps as he had scheduled,the bill is in place.Meanwhile your gods fate still working against uhurao.Gdnyt.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 05, 2022, 08:32:11 PM
Pajero still lurking in the shadows?

UDA has achieved a lot of concession so far. The six month coalition deadline has been removed. Also political party registar power removed. What remain contentious is really defining a party as political coalition - that one will end up in constitutional court. Otherwise the other stuff are okay - sharing of political parties fund and the fillers.

Now back to the motions - after parliament - this bill be will transfered to senate - for more drama - first - three weeks of public participation - then  UDA will enact more and more drama.

If senate makes ammendment - then parliament and senate will form a comitte to harmonized them - more drama.

Meanwhile the clock is ticking - exactly 7 months now -  Uhuru will sign this into law somewhere in march 2022.

Another BBIsque mess on your way - that is also bad publicity for gov side.

Pundito,speaker cheboi can go ahead and have his parliamentary sittings on 25 Jan with his Kalenjin wing of mps as he had scheduled,the bill is in place.Meanwhile your gods fate still working against uhurao.Gdnyt.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Pajero on January 05, 2022, 09:16:14 PM
Leak your wounds pundito,you have been beaten in parliament,senate will be walkover.But anyway,UDA is rehearsing well for opposition role,looks like they will be formidable opposition.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: audacityofhope on January 05, 2022, 10:01:39 PM
It is slowly dawning on you that RAO could be the 5th. Now because you dont have a candidate for 2022 who can beat him in an election, you are left with one option - that somehow RAO not be on the ballot. Are you listening to yourself @Nowayhaha? You must be a very sorry sight right now!

Raila led a campaign against Mt Kenya, in so doing he unified Mt Kenya, Mt Kenya has been punishing him for the same in all subsequent elections.
If Raila was smart he would sit out in the 2022 ele tions

There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
That is not scientific. I think he had the wind on his back in 2007, and yes, partly because of DP Ruto. In all his tries, I think this is worse, and yes, partly again because he is competing with someone who has people behind his back. Ruto is a stallion, while 'baba' is a wounded donkey after 5 failed bouts.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 05, 2022, 11:24:49 PM
Lol.....
The only worry people have is the RVs taking us  back to Mois era once Ruto wins. I never had such fears but seeing how both Rvs are talking Im starting to think where as St Mary boys were doing business with Govt . RV boys will take money straight from central bank.
As for Raila he is a gone case. He is not a threat.


It is slowly dawning on you that RAO could be the 5th. Now because you dont have a candidate for 2022 who can beat him in an election, you are left with one option - that somehow RAO not be on the ballot. Are you listening to yourself @Nowayhaha? You must be a very sorry sight right now!

Raila led a campaign against Mt Kenya, in so doing he unified Mt Kenya, Mt Kenya has been punishing him for the same in all subsequent elections.
If Raila was smart he would sit out in the 2022 ele tions

There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
That is not scientific. I think he had the wind on his back in 2007, and yes, partly because of DP Ruto. In all his tries, I think this is worse, and yes, partly again because he is competing with someone who has people behind his back. Ruto is a stallion, while 'baba' is a wounded donkey after 5 failed bouts.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: audacityofhope on January 06, 2022, 02:20:10 AM
Why are trying to lie to Kenyans in diaspora as if they do not have access to local news? Is it less painful to state 3 months instead of citing the correct number as 4 months????
Quote
The MPs approved an amendment by Amos Kimunya to reduce the period of submission of coalition agreements between parties to the Registrar of Political parties to four months before elections.

Initially, the Political Parties (Amendment) Bill, 2021 had compelled parties to form a coalition six months to an election.
Read more at: Ruto suffers blow after blow in parties' Bill debate (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-05-ruto-mps-lose-bid-to-stop-formation-of-coalition-party/)

Look like six months has been ammended to 3 months to election. This has reduced the clutter by a lot. That was one contentious ammendment meant to pressure OKA to make move early.

Now what remain contentious is the power of the registar of political parties vis managing party lists.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 06, 2022, 06:40:26 AM
In fact, because Ruto already nailed coalition with madvd+weta, why dont you do six months?  UDA forced concession from kimunya and did very well generally polling 45 percent versus 55 percent - that is pretty solid show against combined NASA and few Jubilee Mps who have crossed over to NASA.
Why are trying to lie to Kenyans in diaspora as if they do not have access to local news? Is it less painful to state 3 months instead of citing the correct number as 4 months????
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 06, 2022, 06:44:29 AM
You have your own issues and seeing your own ghosts. You are yet to recover from Ndichu debacle. I have never advocated for any graft. I also dont ever recall RVHH ever doing the same. You're are just jealous because RVHH is in kitchen cabinet of Ruto being close family member - otherwise the guy has always been a man of integrity - and has never advocated for any graft.

In any case the blue corner is Raila and red corner is Ruto :) :) :) - hapo uko na shida rafiki :) - most of your hardline kikuyu diehards are probably not going to vote because power is slipping down your tribal gods hands.

Dont expect me to plead or beg your vote :) -  vote Raila if you want - we already have more than enough votes in UDA

Ruto is an honourable person but not a push over. Raila is even worse. If you wanted a poodle - try Kalonzo or maDVD.

Finally support Ruto like I do with some conviction. I believe Ruto is most qualified candidate - our kagame/museveni/meles - and I am very excited about the prospect of his PORK - he will transform kenya because he is very brilliant, very hardworking and has natural leadership abilities.

Lol.....
The only worry people have is the RVs taking us  back to Mois era once Ruto wins. I never had such fears but seeing how both Rvs are talking Im starting to think where as St Mary boys were doing business with Govt . RV boys will take money straight from central bank.
As for Raila he is a gone case. He is not a threat.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 06, 2022, 07:25:43 AM

Rv unlike RVHH you are more of atypical Raila voter. I am a Ruto voter. You have even supported Raila in 2007. Your narrative is pro Raila.
You can see what you have written below is just so ODMish.
Ruto is a good man but some Rvs like you think once he is in power its their time to eat. We saw how St Mary boys did in Uhurus govt and its something we are worried about.
In real world Ruto would disown you .The way you talk scares away potential voters . It stinks ODM.

You have your own issues and seeing your own ghosts. You are yet to recover from Ndichu debacle. I have never advocated for any graft. I also dont ever recall RVHH ever doing the same. You're are just jealous because RVHH is in kitchen cabinet of Ruto being close family member - otherwise the guy has always been a man of integrity - and has never advocated for any graft.

In any case the blue corner is Raila and red corner is Ruto :) :) :) - hapo uko na shida rafiki :) - most of your hardline kikuyu diehards are probably not going to vote because power is slipping down your tribal gods hands.

Dont expect me to plead or beg your vote :) -  vote Raila if you want - we already have more than enough votes in UDA

Ruto is an honourable person but not a push over. Raila is even worse. If you wanted a poodle - try Kalonzo or maDVD.

Finally support Ruto like I do with some conviction. I believe Ruto is most qualified candidate - our kagame/museveni/meles - and I am very excited about the prospect of his PORK - he will transform kenya because he is very brilliant, very hardworking and has natural leadership abilities.

Lol.....
The only worry people have is the RVs taking us  back to Mois era once Ruto wins. I never had such fears but seeing how both Rvs are talking Im starting to think where as St Mary boys were doing business with Govt . RV boys will take money straight from central bank.
As for Raila he is a gone case. He is not a threat.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 06, 2022, 07:32:18 AM
Ruto was part of ODM - the engine in ODM in 2007. I know you want to own and posses Ruto. I have never claimed to know Ruto or be an insider
 - RVHH ndio deep state . I have never seen Ruto up and close except almost at night when building near nation was burning - and I saw him and Uhuru plus some Mps walking along kimathi street to parliament. I dont need Ruto to help me in anything personal.

Rv unlike RVHH you are more of atypical Raila voter. I am a Ruto voter. You have even supported Raila in 2007. Your narrative is pro Raila.
You can see what you have written below is just so ODMish.
Ruto is a good man but some Rvs like you think once he is in power its their time to eat. We saw how St Mary boys did in Uhurus govt and its something we are worried about.
In real world Ruto would disown you .The way you talk scares away potential voters . It stinks ODM.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 06, 2022, 09:05:35 AM

Everyone was ODM same like everyone was KANU. My point is in ODM even then there were factions . You exhibit typical ODM Railas Characteristics.
Just look at the hubris you exhibit. I dont have to own Ruto .I have all all along being on his side in 2002,2010,2013,2017 with exception of 2005 and 2007 because he was forced to be with Raila. And I will freely say if he decides to join hands with Raila for 2022 I will look for alternative . Uhuru joined hands with Raila and together we deserted him. If supporting is owning I am guilty as charged.
You can hide but not escape . You are on record defending claims that Raila was rigged in 2007 where as facts indicate he was defeated fair and square. Even Ruto has said it point blank Raila was defeated. Now tell me not you arent a Railalite ?

Ruto was part of ODM - the engine in ODM in 2007. I know you want to own and posses Ruto. I have never claimed to know Ruto or be an insider
 - RVHH ndio deep state . I have never seen Ruto up and close except almost at night when building near nation was burning - and I saw him and Uhuru plus some Mps walking along kimathi street to parliament. I dont need Ruto to help me in anything personal.

Rv unlike RVHH you are more of atypical Raila voter. I am a Ruto voter. You have even supported Raila in 2007. Your narrative is pro Raila.
You can see what you have written below is just so ODMish.
Ruto is a good man but some Rvs like you think once he is in power its their time to eat. We saw how St Mary boys did in Uhurus govt and its something we are worried about.
In real world Ruto would disown you .The way you talk scares away potential voters . It stinks ODM.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 06, 2022, 09:14:06 AM
I have supported Kibaki from 92 to 2005 - joined ODM in 2006 or around till 2008 - then have been in camp Ruto. I started noticing Ruto as precocious political talent in 2001.

Raila and ODM have NEVER BEEN MY KIND OF GUYS - never ever. I have been kibaki/madvd/Ruto kind of guy - guys who focus on bread and butter issues. Raila is big on socialiasm and governance. I am NOT. I have been bread-n-butter issues guy plus FEDERALIST. Raila jumped onto majimbo bandwagon and he found lots of love from Kalenjin and coastarians - plus others who belive Kenya future is the recognition of it's 42 nations.

What we share with ODM folks since 2005 is the hatred for attempt to Kikuyunize Kenya  - and that is what when we parted with Kibaki. Kibaki betrayed those of us non-gema who trusted him. When Ruto win and bring Moi era Kalenjinization of kenya - you will feel similarly betrayed. God forbid Ruto will scandalize Kalenjin nation by abandoning project Kenya - we have to make a break for the better - and work for all kenyans - including Luos and ODM folks.

 This is the part that we agree with Omollo - that Kenya will never and shall never return to Jomo Kenyatta era of GEMA entitlement.

I believe GEMA have come around especially after 2007/2008 PEV to project Kenya - they supported new constitution with devolution - and are now major proponent of devolution. There are still nonsense that Uhuru 2.0 has brought up - including 1shs 1 man and related crap - but Ruto has managed to teach you manners of WIN-WIN.

I have also seen they have come round to support Ruto - and even Raila. This is big deal for you guys. This for most of you the first time ever you're actually freely voting for a non-kikuyu. Enjoy the dillemma :)

In short Indeed I have not moved much in my political philosophy.

When it come to being objective and being truthfully - I will never sacrifice that to please you. Raila was rigged in 2007. End of story.

Everyone was ODM same like everyone was KANU. My point is in ODM even then there were factions . You exhibit typical ODM Railas Characteristics.
Just look at the hubris you exhibit. I dont have to own Ruto .I have all all along being on his side in 2002,2010,2013,2017 with exception of 2005 and 2007 because he was forced to be with Raila. And I will freely say if he decides to join hands with Raila for 2022 I will look for alternative . Uhuru joined hands with Raila and together we deserted him. If supporting is owning I am guilty as charged.
You can hide but not escape . You are on record defending claims that Raila was rigged in 2007 where as facts indicate he was defeated fair and square. Even Ruto has said it point blank Raila was defeated. Now tell me not you arent a Railalite ?
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Pajero on January 06, 2022, 09:54:45 AM
Am still waiting for speaker cheboi,s directon on 25th January pundito.Thats where we left it
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 06, 2022, 10:13:17 AM
Heckling as usual.
What exactly is inimical to UDA or Ruto in this bill that warrant celebration?
I don't see it?
The bill has been passed in parliament - we go to the senate - it goes to the comittee - it taken for 3 weeks for public participation.
So it will be back at Lusaka desk in February. The senators will do their thing - and it will get to Uhuru - if we dont like it - we go to court. That sounds like March :) - Too Late to Apply for 2022 - already by then IEBC and parties will be busy with nomination.
Clearly you have lost the self imposed six month deadline that was intended to force OKA to back Azimio.
The rest of ammendment are okay - sharing parties fund great.
UDA is interested in getting bonga points - otherwise there is nothing that UDA cannot use.
I know desperado from ODM were thinking UDA will not go for coalition :)
And therefore Azimio benefits alone :)
Joke on you - Ruto gameplan is to nail coalition once UDA party primaries are done.
Once we have herded Nowayaha and his reluctant gema crew into UDA - then UDA will transform to Hustler Nation Coalition - and will do Azimio like thing - and invite parties.
Am still waiting for speaker cheboi,s directon on 25th January pundito.Thats where we left it
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: audacityofhope on January 06, 2022, 11:27:46 AM
How does one debate a fellow  already labeled by @Pundit as one of low IQ?
Nowayhaha has ony one purpose in his miserable life. Looking around for some politician to worship at the expense of demonizing another. How does that help this country?
A wise man will tell you, don't ever believe that a politician by default is a leader. Politicians are only concerned with the next election. The only purpose in their lives is to stay in power, to keep their position; to win the next election so that they can keep stealing from 'Govt or Central bank' to use words from Nowayhaha.
Leaders are different. A leader is concerned about the next generation. A statesman is a leader by definition. Have you heard Nowayhaha post on or about matters that would affect his children or his children's children? Maybe he has never sired. Pole bro if your issue is that of firing blanks!  Nowayhaha, what is your vision for your children? I won't hold my breath for an answer ...

Lol.....
The only worry people have is the RVs taking us  back to Mois era once Ruto wins. I never had such fears but seeing how both Rvs are talking Im starting to think where as St Mary boys were doing business with Govt . RV boys will take money straight from central bank.
As for Raila he is a gone case. He is not a threat.


It is slowly dawning on you that RAO could be the 5th. Now because you dont have a candidate for 2022 who can beat him in an election, you are left with one option - that somehow RAO not be on the ballot. Are you listening to yourself @Nowayhaha? You must be a very sorry sight right now!

Raila led a campaign against Mt Kenya, in so doing he unified Mt Kenya, Mt Kenya has been punishing him for the same in all subsequent elections.
If Raila was smart he would sit out in the 2022 ele tions

There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
That is not scientific. I think he had the wind on his back in 2007, and yes, partly because of DP Ruto. In all his tries, I think this is worse, and yes, partly again because he is competing with someone who has people behind his back. Ruto is a stallion, while 'baba' is a wounded donkey after 5 failed bouts.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 07, 2022, 06:18:58 AM
More drama expected in senate  https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/national/article/2001433658/battle-over-controversial-law-moves-to-senate-on-tuesday
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 07, 2022, 09:51:03 AM
After all the hue and cry - Azimio is hoping to merge with these nonenties - PNU, DAP, PAA and MDG - these are some of most moribund parties if you can call them. Maybe the now dying Jubilee, the dead KANU and Wiper would join AZIMIO if they really try.

Bottomline of these changes: Raila doesnt want to run the usual orange of ODM (he knows it bad brand in Mt kenya) -but in blue Azimio and want to retain ODM.

But will Mt Kenya buy Raila in blue suit :) :) :) - It a good start but he need to do more.

Raila’s Azimio La Umoja is poised to bring under its roof several political parties that have indicated they are backing the ODM leader’s State House bid.Laikipia Governor Ndiritu Muriithi’s PNU, David Ochieng’s MDG and Kilifi Governor Amason Kingi’s Pan African Alliance are some of the parties supporting Raila.
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: audacityofhope on January 07, 2022, 10:56:46 AM
After all the hue and cry - Azimio is hoping to merge with these nonenties - PNU, DAP, PAA and MDG - these are some of most moribund parties if you can call them. Maybe the now dying Jubilee, the dead KANU and Wiper would join AZIMIO if they really try.
Shouldn't you be happy that your competition is moribund and are "nonentities"? Mbona inakuuma???
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 07, 2022, 11:56:40 AM
What make you think so? I am going to Mau tomorrow to add 10 acres - Raila has no path to victory.
Shouldn't you be happy that your competition is moribund and are "nonentities"? Mbona inakuuma???
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: audacityofhope on January 07, 2022, 12:09:05 PM
These are the kind of posts and statements, I am archiving right now as a reminder on August 10th. But it is generally known on this Veritas blog that you have been abusing your power as a moderator to delete posts that don't go down well with you. So it is very likely that this post for example, won't be found in a search.

Cc: @KenyanPlato
What make you think so? I am going to Mau tomorrow to add 10 acres - Raila has no path to victory.
Shouldn't you be happy that your competition is moribund and are "nonentities"? Mbona inakuuma???
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 07, 2022, 12:49:02 PM
Look at the MOASS thread - on why Raila win is improbable if not impossible. Now with MaDVD+Weta looking likely to join Ruto - it OVER.

These are the kind of posts and statements, I am archiving right now as a reminder on August 10th. But it is generally known on this Veritas blog that you have been abusing your power as a moderator to delete posts that don't go down well with you. So it is very likely that this post for example, won't be found in a search.

Cc: @KenyanPlato
Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: RV Pundit on January 07, 2022, 12:49:40 PM
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Title: Re: Fate working against UhuRao attempt to change political parties act
Post by: Nowayhaha on January 08, 2022, 11:21:16 AM

Raila was the reason 2007/8  P.E.V. happened entrusting same person with my childrens future is reckless. Luckily he will never become president unfortunately as he did with Moi Kibaki and Uhuru he will sell his soul and go for a cooperation, agreement or handshake with Ruto. This is based on experience .
Once He does that and Ruto accepts expect 2027 elections to be competitive .2022 is a done deal Ruto is the President.

How does one debate a fellow  already labeled by @Pundit as one of low IQ?
Nowayhaha has ony one purpose in his miserable life. Looking around for some politician to worship at the expense of demonizing another. How does that help this country?
A wise man will tell you, don't ever believe that a politician by default is a leader. Politicians are only concerned with the next election. The only purpose in their lives is to stay in power, to keep their position; to win the next election so that they can keep stealing from 'Govt or Central bank' to use words from Nowayhaha.
Leaders are different. A leader is concerned about the next generation. A statesman is a leader by definition. Have you heard Nowayhaha post on or about matters that would affect his children or his children's children? Maybe he has never sired. Pole bro if your issue is that of firing blanks!  Nowayhaha, what is your vision for your children? I won't hold my breath for an answer ...

Lol.....
The only worry people have is the RVs taking us  back to Mois era once Ruto wins. I never had such fears but seeing how both Rvs are talking Im starting to think where as St Mary boys were doing business with Govt . RV boys will take money straight from central bank.
As for Raila he is a gone case. He is not a threat.


It is slowly dawning on you that RAO could be the 5th. Now because you dont have a candidate for 2022 who can beat him in an election, you are left with one option - that somehow RAO not be on the ballot. Are you listening to yourself @Nowayhaha? You must be a very sorry sight right now!

Raila led a campaign against Mt Kenya, in so doing he unified Mt Kenya, Mt Kenya has been punishing him for the same in all subsequent elections.
If Raila was smart he would sit out in the 2022 ele tions

There will be no PEV between Kalenjins and Luos if RAO wins.  RAO will start reaching out to Kales once the reality sinks to enough of them that RAO is the 5th.  That will happen somewhere between April and June. Of course Kale's will be disappointed when the reality hit them that Ruto cannot win, but like most Kenyans they are practical  people and will realize that Kenya is  bigger than Ruto and Kalenjins.  Attacking luos just because a luo is president would be foolhardy.  Luos have shared borders with Kales for years and have fought when necessary. There is a lot of respect and inter-dependance. Kenya had a Kalenjin president for 28 years.  Why can't Kalenjins accept a luo president? Kwani  Kalenjins are more  special than others.  We cannot have a two tribe presidential system.  Kikuyus have accepted a luo presidency, kalenjins need to follow suit and stop threatening folks with war.  We are all vulnerable.



What is certain their will be a PEV between Luos and Kalenjins.Kikuyu wouldn't be in the picture. I saw the fight in bunge and oooh my the hatred was raw,Gatheca has bouyed Luos soo much that they are now eager to take fight i to kalenjin land. I think its a foregone thing to them that baba will be pork they are just counting the days. Is gatheca aware of what he is doing?
Total garbage. There is nowhere that says the presidency needs to oscillate between tribes. Suppose we have a qualified and capable candidate from a tribe that has produced the presidency. In that case, is it okay to settle for a substandard senile candidate from a tribe that has not produced a president? Hell no, we can even have a Kikuyu or a Kalenjin president for 50 years as long as they are capable and can win fairly at the ballot. Raila is old, has no ideas, sick, and not engineered for today's global marketplace where integrity, brain, and strategy are ingredients. DP is the only person who has shown ready for the Job. Forget Moi's 24 years, another 10, and if it were up to my vote, Kimani Ichung'wah is another capable candidate that deserves 10 years after DP's tenure.

Its not written anywhere, it's just happening.  You can blame it on the laws of averages. It just happens that  if one tries hard enough several times without giving up, one may just get it.   It just happens that RAO this time around, has the wind on his back and Ruto does not.  Accept and move on. Another Kale will come along, hopefully  in our life time. Kwani iko nini?
That is not scientific. I think he had the wind on his back in 2007, and yes, partly because of DP Ruto. In all his tries, I think this is worse, and yes, partly again because he is competing with someone who has people behind his back. Ruto is a stallion, while 'baba' is a wounded donkey after 5 failed bouts.