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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on December 15, 2021, 04:30:14 PM

Title: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: RV Pundit on December 15, 2021, 04:30:14 PM
Pale Turbo and former Lugari district :) . In fact Ruto wife come from Likuyani in Kakamega and even Farouk come from near Lwadetti (looked like Kakamega to me). Hapa naona Ruto sweeping north kakamega all the way to Bungoma (if Weta is deal)

Southern Luhyas - of Busia  - southern Kakamega (Atwolis/Oparanyas ) - and southern Vihiga (pale Kiboswa - to Maseno - majengo -) - will vote Raila - who lives few kilometers down.

So we will have South versus North Luhya split. MaDVD will get the center :). A three way split is unfolding.

Historically the North Luhyas had aligned with Kalenjin and adopted circumscion - also intermarried - or were mass assimilated.
South Luhyas had also aligned with Luos - and even adopted Luo names - and intermarried deeply.

Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: Kadudu on December 15, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
You are very short sighted. Even Daniel arap Moi was very popular among the Abaluhya. Let the people get some entertainment from Ruto and if he becomes president we will see what he has to offer them. My take is, nothing but maneno.

Quote from: RV Pundit on December 15, 2021, 04:30:14 PM
Pale Turbo and former Lugari district :) . In fact Ruto wife come from Likuyani in Kakamega and even Farouk come from near Lwadetti (looked like Kakamega to me). Hapa naona Ruto sweeping north kakamega all the way to Bungoma (if Weta is deal)

Southern Luhyas - of Busia  - southern Kakamega (Atwolis/Oparanyas ) - and southern Vihiga (pale Kiboswa - to Maseno - majengo -) - will vote Raila - who lives few kilometers down.

So we will have South versus North Luhya split. MaDVD will get the center :). A three way split is unfolding.

Historically the North Luhyas had aligned with Kalenjin and adopted circumscion - also intermarried - or were mass assimilated.
South Luhyas had also aligned with Luos - and even adopted Luo names - and intermarried deeply.

Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: RV Pundit on December 15, 2021, 06:54:29 PM
I was just analyzing things...as a Pundit. Sijui hasira ya nini
Quote from: Kadudu on December 15, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
You are very short sighted. Even Daniel arap Moi was very popular among the Abaluhya. Let the people get some entertainment from Ruto and if he becomes president we will see what he has to offer them. My take is, nothing but maneno.
Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: Kadudu on December 15, 2021, 07:04:02 PM
Hakuna hasira. Even one of Musalia Mudavadi's mum was or is a Kale. Nandis and Luhyas have always lived together and some places in today Luhyaland like Serem, Goibei or Cheptulu carry Kale names.
Luhyas will survive a Ruto presidency.

Quote from: RV Pundit on December 15, 2021, 06:54:29 PM
I was just analyzing things...as a Pundit. Sijui hasira ya nini
Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: RV Pundit on December 15, 2021, 07:21:03 PM
Yeah historically some Kalenjin became Luhyas; some luhyas became Kalenjin; the northern luhyas.
Maragolis and Bukusu generally refused to assimilate -
South Luhyas also became Luos; Luos became Luhyas; including Raila;

It's just that Southern Luhyas overshadow the Northern Luhyas - and proclaim their Luo links more.

Obviously the Maragoli-Bukusu feel as superior or strong - and are independent.

I am not sure how Ruto presidency - but I doubt he will be anti-Luhya or anti-any tribe - it's not really in Rutoo dna to be small minded. The biggest disappointment will be in Kalenjin because no way MOI is coming back - those days are gone - it now impossible to practise overt tribalism.

Quote from: Kadudu on December 15, 2021, 07:04:02 PM
Hakuna hasira. Even one of Musalia Mudavadi's mum was or is a Kale. Nandis and Luhyas have always lived together and some places in today Luhyaland like Serem, Goibei or Cheptulu carry Kale names.
Luhyas will survive a Ruto presidency.
Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on December 15, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
I don't see Ruto being tribalist he might have some little ill feel towards luos but nothing to make any mark compared to gatheca who hated luos for real and is only pretending ro love them now.
In all Ruto will have a very tight bakance as he must accomodate many kabilas but we in mlima simply will demand our lions share and dictate the terms. Economy 100% controlled by us other hoi polloi kabilas kalenjin included can share other posts like posta and recruits in prison,police etc which doesn't require indepth thinking.
Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: RV Pundit on December 15, 2021, 11:22:56 PM
Yes Njuri like during Moi time Kalenjin will be submarine...you will be the figure head...but your deputy will be the real power behind. Ruto will work intelligently putting his trusted allies deep inside - and letting other kabilas become the figure head. That is how Moi did - stealth mode

Only a fool like KIbaki or Kenyattas pracitise OVERT ON YOUR FACE TRIBALISM. Raila odinga will also similarly do overt tribalism - you can already see it in ODM.

Museveni does the same as Moi did in Uganda - his banyakole are under water - the real powers behind in every office - but other kabilas are the figure head. Museveni remain popular despite everyone knowing banyakole are the real powers...but you always have your men with sirens and police escorts..and long titles....so you're happy.

Every important office and function in Uganda there is some banyakole man to approve - I had to wait for 2 months when Banyakole URA officer left for Tanzania - nobody could sign the custom re-evaluation until he came back.

Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on December 15, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
I don't see Ruto being tribalist he might have some little ill feel towards luos but nothing to make any mark compared to gatheca who hated luos for real and is only pretending ro love them now.
In all Ruto will have a very tight bakance as he must accomodate many kabilas but we in mlima simply will demand our lions share and dictate the terms. Economy 100% controlled by us other hoi polloi kabilas kalenjin included can share other posts like posta and recruits in prison,police etc which doesn't require indepth thinking.
Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2021, 04:52:39 PM
MaDVD and Weta havent responded but Ruto has been friendly to them. Look like if Ruto makes a deal with MADVD/Weta - it's gameshot. No rigging would beat it.

Ruto is looking for rigging margins buffer..

Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: Kadudu on December 16, 2021, 05:48:09 PM
Njuri, anyone who becomes president will not be controled by any remote forces. That "lion's share" for your folks you can kiss it goodbye. The days Mt Kenya controled the govt will end August 2022. You can take that to the bank. Even a President Ruto with 99% votes from Mt Kenya will not be your pawn. Remember a president can form other alliances very quickly.

Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on December 15, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
I don't see Ruto being tribalist he might have some little ill feel towards luos but nothing to make any mark compared to gatheca who hated luos for real and is only pretending ro love them now.
In all Ruto will have a very tight bakance as he must accomodate many kabilas but we in mlima simply will demand our lions share and dictate the terms. Economy 100% controlled by us other hoi polloi kabilas kalenjin included can share other posts like posta and recruits in prison,police etc which doesn't require indepth thinking.
Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: RV Pundit on December 16, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Actually I didnt want to tell him that MADVD/Weta will take the 25 percent from their 50 percent :) Their disunity and dithering means Ruto is looking for top ups. Those guys will demand something. Ruto has to share the pie.

Quote from: Kadudu on December 16, 2021, 05:48:09 PM
Njuri, anyone who becomes president will not be controled by any remote forces. That "lion's share" for your folks you can kiss it goodbye. The days Mt Kenya controled the govt will end August 2022. You can take that to the bank. Even a President Ruto with 99% votes from Mt Kenya will not be your pawn. Remember a president can form other alliances very quickly.
Title: Re: Kadudu - Naona North Kakamega have finally realize Sugoi is 1kms away
Post by: Kadudu on December 16, 2021, 06:07:22 PM
How many CSs and PSs in Uhuru's govt come from Mt Kenya? That number will go down more than 50%. State cooporations will no longer be a one region domain. For Mt Kenya, it will only become worse. The rest of the kabilas can only improve. :D :D :D

Quote from: RV Pundit on December 16, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Actually I didnt want to tell him that MADVD/Weta will take the 25 percent from their 50 percent :)