CJ Martha Koome is Head of Judiciary and President of Supreme Court. The Judiciary will hear election disputes. CJ Koome, CS Interior Fred Matiang’i and PS Karanja Kibicho cannot plan elections. It is a fraud on the Constitution and an affront to free and fair elections. ^POLSK https://t.co/Z3TQIXl0tJ
— Nelson Havi (@NelsonHavi) November 24, 2021
You are over reacting. They have to collaborate on time table and issues that need to be handed. They have always done so.
How was it done before?
Koome is an equal to Uhuru and Muturi.
Judiciary has a CEO - her name is Chief Registar.
How can you sit with Matiangi and Kibicho who are already political bias and interested?
Optics is very important
Because this will be used against her in the near future.You are over reacting. They have to collaborate on time table and issues that need to be handed. They have always done so.
Optics are important? But I'm sure you have no problem with Ruto being mistaken as getting LSK endorsement. In fact, you would love for as many Kenyans to make this mistake as possible, after Havi decided to grin at UDA's backside.
Pundit is right. The CJ cannot be part of a team that she would later have to sit and judge the work of the very team she belongs.
Mabe the regime does not trust Ms. Amadi to do what it wants her to do.
Sijaona mtu fala kama huyu mama. This should be the job for the Chief Registar of Court - Sholei replacement. That is CEO of Judiciary.
Koome should only sit with Uhuru and Muturi. If there will be a big dispute - and she ruled - she will be accused of biasness - and kenya could go to civil war.
This mama ni fala sana...Njuri rudisha hii taka taka yenu meru.CJ Martha Koome is Head of Judiciary and President of Supreme Court. The Judiciary will hear election disputes. CJ Koome, CS Interior Fred Matiang’i and PS Karanja Kibicho cannot plan elections. It is a fraud on the Constitution and an affront to free and fair elections. ^POLSK https://t.co/Z3TQIXl0tJ
— Nelson Havi (@NelsonHavi) November 24, 2021
Now whether he likes it or not whoever loses will go to court but demand she recuse herself. She'll refuse, the person will proceed to the high court and get orders. This is promising to be messy. In the end the court of appeal may reinstate on the petition bench. The party disputing may in response quit the court and take it outside.
Another brainless Uthamakistani.
Wewe ni fala who do not deserve to be in this forumOptics are important? But I'm sure you have no problem with Ruto being mistaken as getting LSK endorsement. In fact, you would love for as many Kenyans to make this mistake as possible, after Havi decided to grin at UDA's backside.
What's the matter? What's pissing you off?
Don't like your hypocrisy pointed out?
This forum is not for fools like you. You're making really ridiculous statements. Equating LSK with Judiciary. Why don't you start with primary school civic education. Nobody expect LSK to be apolitical. All of them have been political.What's the matter? What's pissing you off?
Don't like your hypocrisy pointed out?
Take your lectures to someone else. You have nothing to teach me. You've basically killed this forum with Ruto this, Ruto that. Now you're putting words in my mouth ati I was trying to equate LSK with the judiciary. Yes, I do not think it serves LSK's interest to seem like it is endorsing Ruto. Havi can do what he wants as a private individual. But the LSK is different.
This forum has existed before you brought your LOW IQ posts. Nobody even responds to your LOW IQ posts. I am just being nice to you. And it's my civic duty to educate fools like you.
LSK is lawyers association - when I was growing up in 90s - Muite was LSK chair - Ford-K Vice Chair and Kabete or Kikuyu Mp. All subsequent LSK chair have been partisan. There is nothing that requires LSK to be impartial in any process....except in matters concerning lawyers.Take your lectures to someone else. You have nothing to teach me. You've basically killed this forum with Ruto this, Ruto that. Now you're putting words in my mouth ati I was trying to equate LSK with the judiciary. Yes, I do not think it serves LSK's interest to seem like it is endorsing Ruto. Havi can do what he wants as a private individual. But the LSK is different.
https://info.mzalendo.com/media_root/file_archive/Realising_Integrity.pdf
Spare me. When a person tries to convince others that he's smart that's when you know there's a problem.
It's very foolish to compare CJ with LSK chair. Moron.https://info.mzalendo.com/media_root/file_archive/Realising_Integrity.pdf
Spare me. When a person tries to convince others that he's smart that's when you know there's a problem.
The issue for me was not the CJ. Another person (with integrity) making the same complaint about her would not bother me at all.
But coming from you it's another matter.
You cannot pick the optics you want or are convenient for you in your fanatical support of Ruto! Some of us will call you out on it. Yes, Ruto is one big optical nightmare. Now go and cry fala all you want.
So I should not say anything in this forum now that you have tried ad found me wanting of integrity for supporting WSR :)The issue for me was not the CJ. Another person (with integrity) making the same complaint about her would not bother me at all.
But coming from you it's another matter.
You cannot pick the optics you want or are convenient for you in your fanatical support of Ruto! Some of us will call you out on it. Yes, Ruto is one big optical nightmare. Now go and cry fala all you want.
You can say whatever your so-called "high IQ" mind tells you. But stop crying when some of us call you out on it. Ruto, for us, is not a drink we'll ever agree to drink, no matter what kind of label you dress it in, no matter what kind of blackmailing you use.
I am not here to convince anybody to vote for WSR. I am here for political analysis. I am here to warn you when I see fools like Koome setting the country for epic failure.
WSR is capable of looking out for himself. I am looking out for myself by flagging red flags like stupid Koome compromising the independence of judiciary knowing next election haitaki mchezo.You can say whatever your so-called "high IQ" mind tells you. But stop crying when some of us call you out on it. Ruto, for us, is not a drink we'll ever agree to drink, no matter what kind of label you dress it in, no matter what kind of blackmailing you use.
You are delusional.
I am a nobody. Now focus on Koome. Do you think what she is doing is proper or improper. This is where the debate is - but you're either autistic or mentally retarded.You are delusional.
My focus is on Ruto because, quite honestly, he's a bigger danger than Koome.
So the single thread solely focused on Ruto is not enough for you - you've to inject your ujinga in every thread.My focus is on Ruto because, quite honestly, he's a bigger danger than Koome.
It is WRONG for @CJMarthaKoome to sit in the Multi-sectoral elections preparedness team.CJ should have nominated Anne Amadi, Chief Registrar of the judiciary to the team.The President of the Supreme Court cannot chair a committee on how elections will be organised...Common sense! pic.twitter.com/AkGBvzFlxe
— Ahmednasir Abdullahi SC (@ahmednasirlaw) November 25, 2021
Makes no sense. Amadi is still Judiciary and by extension as interested as Koome in everything. People should ask what role CJ plays in this team and examine conflict of interest whether it is real or politrics. Am yet to see if Ruto did not benefit from similar previous arrangement. Why he feeling heat now?
Koome was put there to safeguard Kenyatta and cronies interests. St Mary boys managed to capture Supreme Court fully.
Koome and Ouko cut deals to be given the posts. Mwilu is Wakos wife and with DPP and DCI on her case she will do their bid. As for Smokin he has no balls his calling is in Academics he is not supposed to be in the bench.Only Lenoala one can say is impartial.
The 2 new entrants made Uhuru and his cronies to capture Supreme Court fully.
First step Ruto should do is to capture JSC which he willonce he become President and if he can use his political influence to have members of LSK for vote for a UDA leaning LSK reps in JSC.
With that the SC Judges will automatically align.
I do not get you. You are out pleadging against state capture through Uhuru and at the same time begging for Ruto to do the same in case he becomes president in 2022. Would you be comfortable with Raila doing the same if he becomes president?
We should all here be mature enough to seek a state without the executive controlling every branch of government.Koome was put there to safeguard Kenyatta and cronies interests. St Mary boys managed to capture Supreme Court fully.
Koome and Ouko cut deals to be given the posts. Mwilu is Wakos wife and with DPP and DCI on her case she will do their bid. As for Smokin he has no balls his calling is in Academics he is not supposed to be in the bench.Only Lenoala one can say is impartial.
The 2 new entrants made Uhuru and his cronies to capture Supreme Court fully.
First step Ruto should do is to capture JSC which he willonce he become President and if he can use his political influence to have members of LSK for vote for a UDA leaning LSK reps in JSC.
With that the SC Judges will automatically align.
I do not get you. You are out pleadging against state capture through Uhuru and at the same time begging for Ruto to do the same in case he becomes president in 2022. Would you be comfortable with Raila doing the same if he becomes president?
We should all here be mature enough to seek a state without the executive controlling every branch of government.Koome was put there to safeguard Kenyatta and cronies interests. St Mary boys managed to capture Supreme Court fully.
Koome and Ouko cut deals to be given the posts. Mwilu is Wakos wife and with DPP and DCI on her case she will do their bid. As for Smokin he has no balls his calling is in Academics he is not supposed to be in the bench.Only Lenoala one can say is impartial.
The 2 new entrants made Uhuru and his cronies to capture Supreme Court fully.
First step Ruto should do is to capture JSC which he willonce he become President and if he can use his political influence to have members of LSK for vote for a UDA leaning LSK reps in JSC.
With that the SC Judges will automatically align.
Leading to 2017 elections I advocated for UhuRuto to capture JSC and LSK , I was very vocal about it . The outcome was cancellation of the 2017 G.E. which almost took Kenya to the dogs and had a huge Impact to the Economy of Kenya.
When RV pundit was cheering Koome I was already advocating for Ruto to ensure Judiciary is not captured by Handshake partners.
Its not a secret Koome was sneaked in by Uhuru cronies and Ouko through Railas lobbying..
Now going back to Pre 2017 elections . Raila managed to capture JSC which inturn put Maraga and Mwilu as CJ and DCJ . They paid back in the petetion. So to answer your question , Politics plays in both LSK , JSC and Judiciary. As a Presidential contender you have to be able to play the politics there too.
Multiple reports indicate that @IEBCKenya has formally withdrawn from the Technical Working Committee on Elections. HNIB agents who are still checking, say, IEBC argues the Committee has no constitutional mandate to plan for elections and it is NOT Parliament to approve budgets!
— -Dennis Itumbi, CBS (@OleItumbi) November 25, 2021
CJ Martha Koome to UDA: I’m not leaving election preparedness committee!
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/national/article/2001430177/koome-to-uda-im-not-leaving-election-preparedness-committee
CJ Martha Koome to UDA: I’m not leaving election preparedness committee!
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/national/article/2001430177/koome-to-uda-im-not-leaving-election-preparedness-committee
She is dummer than I thought. I was very sceptical of anyone from Mt Kenya being picked by Uhuru. She has confirmed my deepest fears.
CJ Martha Koome to UDA: I’m not leaving election preparedness committee!
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/national/article/2001430177/koome-to-uda-im-not-leaving-election-preparedness-committee
Chebukati is not as stupid as the CJ KoomeMultiple reports indicate that @IEBCKenya has formally withdrawn from the Technical Working Committee on Elections. HNIB agents who are still checking, say, IEBC argues the Committee has no constitutional mandate to plan for elections and it is NOT Parliament to approve budgets!
— -Dennis Itumbi, CBS (@OleItumbi) November 25, 2021
https://electionjudgments.org/en/entity/lmwns6vs8z?page=2
As the Supreme Court correctly observed, this was a precedent-setting petition in which it needed to provide the baseline for future petitions and jurisprudence.88 Bearing in mind that the disputed Presidential election was the cause of the 2007/2008 post-election violence in the country, this kind of scenario does not augur well for IEBC, the judiciary and the nation at large. Given the security detail at its disposal, in the authors view, IEBC should have controlled the rowdy agents and exercised restraint by allowing them to remain in the tallying hall. Although they gave the 2013 general elections a clean bill of health, most election observers censured IEBC’s opaque tallying and collating of the Presidential votes with the Commonwealth Observer Group describing the exercise as representing “an untidy end of a critical part of the process.89 Quite a number of scholars have since also made more or less similar observations.90These are the kind of comments IEBC cannot afford to have repeated in future. Every effort should therefore be made to forestall any such eventuality. To accord legitimacy and integrity to the Presidential election and obviate any strife, the national tallying center should not only be accessible to the party and presidential candidates’ agents, but also to the accredited observers and the media representatives and tallying should be open, transparent and verifiable.
We want an independent judiciary.
Independent police, DPP and EACC.
What difference would it make for Uhuru to capture Judiciary and then Ruto to also do the same
Except kill institutions.
And soon we are back to Moi era.
My friend we want a kenya for everyone. We have been there with Moi. Every kalenjin by time Moi was leaving was pretty tired and drained. Even kikuyus now are pretty tired and drained - it useless if other kenyans are not happy - and all they do is hate on you even if you never met Uhuru or Moi or Kibaki - and worse for Kikuyus to be hunted like stray dogs for mistake you did not commit. The average kikuyus did not participate in any rigging - but people hunted them.
We want a new kenya. Non tribal kenya. We want Ruto to play by the rule book.
This is why in 1K1Ms crap - many people even if they were benefitting - said to hell - we want kenya to develop in all it's corners.
If Ruto cannot deliver without killing judiciary then he should go back to Sugoi and sell his chicken.
If Ruto want to develop kenya - let it be everywhere - if it's road - every const should get equal kilometres - if it's electricity the same - water the same - if it's money for SMES - everyone get equal share.
once you do that - you will realize kenya HAKUNA MATATA kabisa.
And come 2027 - Ruto will win re-election by 90 percent.
But behave like Kibaki - even if economy grow by 10% every year - you will be hated and your people hated.
Leading to 2017 elections I advocated for UhuRuto to capture JSC and LSK , I was very vocal about it . The outcome was cancellation of the 2017 G.E. which almost took Kenya to the dogs and had a huge Impact to the Economy of Kenya.
When RV pundit was cheering Koome I was already advocating for Ruto to ensure Judiciary is not captured by Handshake partners.
Its not a secret Koome was sneaked in by Uhuru cronies and Ouko through Railas lobbying..
Now going back to Pre 2017 elections . Raila managed to capture JSC which inturn put Maraga and Mwilu as CJ and DCJ . They paid back in the petetion. So to answer your question , Politics plays in both LSK , JSC and Judiciary. As a Presidential contender you have to be able to play the politics there too.
There is a time Raila had captured Judiciary , Would you rather your opponent capture Judiciary . Politics is real . We live in a very political country infact would I rather say we are so much abscessed with politics that Politicians are our rulers , Comedians , Pastors , musicians and even hustlers . The Utopia world you are trying to insinuate does not exist in Kenya or any other part of the world . Thats why you hear of ideological leanings in Supreme courts all over the world and judges political philosophy have a major impact on the rulings . Example Maraga before being CJ based on a paper he had written(refer to the link) It was obvious given an opportunity he would nullify Presidential elections if given the opportunity . Mwilu as DCJ lets even not go there . Every one knows Wakos influence for her rise actually even getting into Judiciary .
About 2007 elections we have discussed it before .Take it to the appropriate thread . ODM rigged the elections - Thats a fact .
Now back to Koome . Ruto will capture JSC and its given she will be removed at one time . Either within a year or by the second year . There is no way she is going to finish the 9 years on her tenure .
How has capturing JSC helped Uhuru - whose gov has been ripped apart by judiciary - especially at high court level.
Ruto best move forward is to fire Ag Kihara within 24hours of winning PORK.
Then hire himself someone of Amos Wako stature - someone who understand the law inside out and can become very good legal advisor.
Someone who will tell gov and it's operatives to OBEY the LAW, to foster the rule of law and to be friendly to judiciary.
Trying to control independent judiciary will end in premium tears.
Ask Uhuru
Kuhara and Uhuru have arguably gotten the most unfavourable rulling ever visited on PORK. Almost everything he does is declared NULL and VOID.
This didnt happen in Jubilee 1.0. This happened in Jubilee 1.0 when Uhuru instead of moving on when Maraga annualed his win went rogue and took war to judiciary.
Judiciary having tested blood will never accept to be boxed and be made part of executive. Their fightback has been vicious.
As we speak Kinoti doesnt know where to sleep - in Kamiti or Statehouse. Miguna has got 10 court orders in his favour.
How has capturing JSC helped Uhuru - whose gov has been ripped apart by judiciary - especially at high court level.
Ruto best move forward is to fire Ag Kihara within 24hours of winning PORK.
Then hire himself someone of Amos Wako stature - someone who understand the law inside out and can become very good legal advisor.
Someone who will tell gov and it's operatives to OBEY the LAW, to foster the rule of law and to be friendly to judiciary.
Trying to control independent judiciary will end in premium tears.
Ask Uhuru
Kuhara and Uhuru have arguably gotten the most unfavourable rulling ever visited on PORK. Almost everything he does is declared NULL and VOID.
This didnt happen in Jubilee 1.0. This happened in Jubilee 1.0 when Uhuru instead of moving on when Maraga annualed his win went rogue and took war to judiciary.
Judiciary having tested blood will never accept to be boxed and be made part of executive. Their fightback has been vicious.
As we speak Kinoti doesnt know where to sleep - in Kamiti or Statehouse. Miguna has got 10 court orders in his favour.
There is a time Raila had captured Judiciary , Would you rather your opponent capture Judiciary . Politics is real . We live in a very political country infact would I rather say we are so much abscessed with politics that Politicians are our rulers , Comedians , Pastors , musicians and even hustlers . The Utopia world you are trying to insinuate does not exist in Kenya or any other part of the world . Thats why you hear of ideological leanings in Supreme courts all over the world and judges political philosophy have a major impact on the rulings . Example Maraga before being CJ based on a paper he had written(refer to the link) It was obvious given an opportunity he would nullify Presidential elections if given the opportunity . Mwilu as DCJ lets even not go there . Every one knows Wakos influence for her rise actually even getting into Judiciary .
About 2007 elections we have discussed it before .Take it to the appropriate thread . ODM rigged the elections - Thats a fact .
Now back to Koome . Ruto will capture JSC and its given she will be removed at one time . Either within a year or by the second year . There is no way she is going to finish the 9 years on her tenure .
RV when did Uhuru manage to Capture JSC ? Immediately Maraga left and when LSK did not nominate a rep on time . Now if you look at the results you can see how JSC sneaked in Koome and Ouko and Koome has been doing Uhurus bidding . Its very evident to the level where all senior counsels are complaining . Even former Chief Justice Mutunga had to prevail on her .
Now the biggest prize is the Presidency - SCOK is the one in charge of all Presidential cases or if the start from Junior Courts they always end up in Supreme Court. That Court is now skewed in favour of St Marys boys . Thats why they brag they are part of the " system". For a moment focus on the nerve of Judiciary JSC and the head of Judiciary which is Chief Justice and SCOK.
You seem to agree that Koome is being used and playing a dangerous game (which I fully agree) . Why let all that pass ?
Solution is to find evidence like we are doing on Koome and use them against them. Not replaceRV when did Uhuru manage to Capture JSC ? Immediately Maraga left and when LSK did not nominate a rep on time . Now if you look at the results you can see how JSC sneaked in Koome and Ouko and Koome has been doing Uhurus bidding . Its very evident to the level where all senior counsels are complaining . Even former Chief Justice Mutunga had to prevail on her .
Now the biggest prize is the Presidency - SCOK is the one in charge of all Presidential cases or if the start from Junior Courts they always end up in Supreme Court. That Court is now skewed in favour of St Marys boys . Thats why they brag they are part of the " system". For a moment focus on the nerve of Judiciary JSC and the head of Judiciary which is Chief Justice and SCOK.
You seem to agree that Koome is being used and playing a dangerous game (which I fully agree) . Why let all that pass ?