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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on November 22, 2021, 04:59:49 PM
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Nairobi UDA and Ruto is very popular because of Hustler Nation is essentially a urban narrative. Despite attempt to demonize the word - most Nairobeans call themselves proudly hustlers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-photos-nelson-havi-officially-joins-rutos-uda/
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Havi is a big win for UDA. He brings a lot of brains and humility with him to the UDA block.
Nairobi UDA and Ruto is very popular because of Hustler Nation is essentially a urban narrative. Despite attempt to demonize the word - most Nairobeans call themselves proudly hustlers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-photos-nelson-havi-officially-joins-rutos-uda/
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Nonsense...!! Hustlers yes, but not the (thieving) type your narrative is about.
Am surprised by Havi’s naivety, unless he wants to run in Soy or Likuyani where he comes from on UDA. The Luhyas of Westlands are more ODM than Raila himself. That’s an ODM seat 100%.
Nairobi UDA and Ruto is very popular because of Hustler Nation is essentially a urban narrative. Despite attempt to demonize the word - most Nairobeans call themselves proudly hustlers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-photos-nelson-havi-officially-joins-rutos-uda/
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Am even surprised by Havi's naivety or maybe he is calculating with manna from Hustler's heaven.
Nonsense...!! Hustlers yes, but not the (thieving) type your narrative is about.
Am surprised by Havi’s naivety, unless he wants to run in Soy or Likuyani where he comes from on UDA. The Luhyas of Westlands are more ODM than Raila himself. That’s an ODM seat 100%.
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Hasira ya nini. Havi has been on the ground. The ground is UDA in Nairobi. I was in Nairobi too - the ground is UDA. Even in Western - Ruto is very popular.
There is lot of Raila fatigue...
Nonsense...!! Hustlers yes, but not the (thieving) type your narrative is about.
Am surprised by Havi’s naivety, unless he wants to run in Soy or Likuyani where he comes from on UDA. The Luhyas of Westlands are more ODM than Raila himself. That’s an ODM seat 100%.
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We know one loser in Westland 2022 elections. I dont mention name.
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Havi is looking to make money. He is just a greedy petty criminal. He has the bipolar girlfriend who was exposing his shenigans on Twitter. She said that Havi was at one time poisoned by a client after he ate the bribe money he had given him to pay the judge. From I understand he has been working for ruto at lsk. Ruto people knew how unprincipled he was and used him to capture lsk
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Nonsense...!! Hustlers yes, but not the (thieving) type your narrative is about.
Am surprised by Havi’s naivety, unless he wants to run in Soy or Likuyani where he comes from on UDA. The Luhyas of Westlands are more ODM than Raila himself. That’s an ODM seat 100%.
Nairobi UDA and Ruto is very popular because of Hustler Nation is essentially a urban narrative. Despite attempt to demonize the word - most Nairobeans call themselves proudly hustlers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-photos-nelson-havi-officially-joins-rutos-uda/
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
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RVHH.... this is where you guys keep lying to yourself that Baba is nothing without Kikuyu hate!! This is what you have been preaching to the Kikuyu Youth in Mt. Kenya that Baba is PORK (President of Republic of Kenya :D indeed), kimundu etc.... Keep deluding yourself and we love that music. Truth is between Baba and Ruto, Baba is more trusted than Ruto can ever hope to be/achieve (even in his lifetime), and the Luhyas know where to put that trust.
No way Westlands Luhyas will vote UDA. That said huge miscalculation by Havi. In any case, the cosmopolitan Westlands can't countenance a so-called Hustler nightmare, most of those Mhimdis (90%) will vote Baba. So, what is Havi's calculation here?? And don't forget, he would have done better or would have been more appealing if he was on ANC, at least some "woiyee" votes from a couple of Luhyas... explains why Sakaja has already given up hope of any elective seat in Nairobi, he understand the maths better; anyway we understand Havi's move is just opening the way for Musalia's eventual landing at UDA as he is said to be headed there!
Take this to the Bank, the Luhya part of Nairobi (and country-wide) will predominantly/solidly vote for Baba.
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
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All opinion done so far shows Ruto is more popular than Raila in western...
Even if we give Raila all luhya votes; Ruto still beat him;
Give him all Ukambani votes; Ruto still beat him.
In 2013 - UhuRuto scored 4 percent in western - that is almost only Sabaot and kikuyu diaspora votes - zero luhya - still UhuRuto won. Kambas did the same. Repeat and rinse. LOST again. 2007 lost again.
People have done these maths; and have given up on perennial loser.
Raila refusal to contest in repeat election marked his political end.
The rest are details.
Today if Uhuru pulls the plug - like he is likely to do - Ruto will win 2022 unopposed :)
Not that there is any opposition. Babu is doing badly despite state machinery propping him. Once Ruto has hit 50 percent - the rest are irrelevant details.
When it come to Westland - HAVI - has been on the ground - I have been following twitter. He can only have made this move this because UDA is very popular in Nairobi. Tim going for governorship should have seen him stay with Musalia's ANC - but no - UDA is big wave - he has got the message loud and clear.
What Ruto has done is very similar Sonko playbook.... play tribeless class divide and demonstrate seriousness by financing it. Hustler movement started in Nairobi. Such revolution is impossible to beat....Raila is trying everything to copy Hustler Movement but people know he is a fakery...his heart lies with useless BBI.
As for Sakaja - Nairobi will be taken by a Kikuyu this time round. They cannot go forgo PORK and Nairobi Governor. It's going to be Wanjiru...versus Peter Kenneth or Dennis Waweru..whoever Kamanda think would be ideal poodle...that is why Kamanda is keeping close tabs on poor Jakom...as soon as Raila endorse Kamanda candidate..he can go jump into lake victoria.
On good day - Weta's brother Tim Wanyonyi would win Nairobi - he is liked for his development record. I would vote Tim myself. But given UDA start with solid Wanjiru - wanjiru takes it - as NASA/OKA/Kamanda crew split their votes.
RVHH.... this is where you guys keep lying to yourself that Baba is nothing without Kikuyu hate!! This is what you have been preaching to the Kikuyu Youth in Mt. Kenya that Baba is PORK (President of Republic of Kenya :D indeed), kimundu etc.... Keep deluding yourself and we love that music. Truth is between Baba and Ruto, Baba is more trusted than Ruto can ever hope to be/achieve (even in his lifetime), and the Luhyas know where to put that trust.
No way Westlands Luhyas will vote UDA. That said huge miscalculation by Havi. In any case, the cosmopolitan Westlands can't countenance a so-called Hustler nightmare, most of those Mhimdis (90%) will vote Baba. So, what is Havi's calculation here?? And don't forget, he would have done better or would have been more appealing if he was on ANC, at least some "woiyee" votes from a couple of Luhyas... explains why Sakaja has already given up hope of any elective seat in Nairobi, he understand the maths better; anyway we understand Havi's move is just opening the way for Musalia's eventual landing at UDA as he is said to be headed there!
Take this to the Bank, the Luhya part of Nairobi (and country-wide) will predominantly/solidly vote for Baba.
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We said several times. Kenyan politics is built on the Premises of Gema vs Anti Gema and since 2007 evolved to Raila anti Raila.
Now 2022 elections is simple remove strong Gema candidate from equation you have the Anti Gema voters confused .Remove Raila from equation you have Anti Raila voters confused. However Raila backers must make Raila run for their own selfish benefits and with that you have Anti Gema voters scattered and Anti Raila voters intact ready to do what they have been doinf for the last 15 years.
Nonsense...!! Hustlers yes, but not the (thieving) type your narrative is about.
Am surprised by Havi’s naivety, unless he wants to run in Soy or Likuyani where he comes from on UDA. The Luhyas of Westlands are more ODM than Raila himself. That’s an ODM seat 100%.
Nairobi UDA and Ruto is very popular because of Hustler Nation is essentially a urban narrative. Despite attempt to demonize the word - most Nairobeans call themselves proudly hustlers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-photos-nelson-havi-officially-joins-rutos-uda/
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
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Pundit :D :D :D :D
All opinion done so far shows Ruto is more popular than Raila in western...
Even if we give Raila all luhya votes; Ruto still beat him;
Give him all Ukambani votes; Ruto still beat him.
In 2013 - UhuRuto scored 4 percent in western - that is almost only Sabaot and kikuyu diaspora votes - zero luhya - still UhuRuto won. Kambas did the same. Repeat and rinse. LOST again. 2007 lost again.
People have done these maths; and have given up on perennial loser.
Raila refusal to contest in repeat election marked his political end.
The rest are details.
Today if Uhuru pulls the plug - like he is likely to do - Ruto will win 2022 unopposed :)
Not that there is any opposition. Babu is doing badly despite state machinery propping him. Once Ruto has hit 50 percent - the rest are irrelevant details.
When it come to Westland - HAVI - has been on the ground - I have been following twitter. He can only have made this move this because UDA is very popular in Nairobi. Tim going for governorship should have seen him stay with Musalia's ANC - but no - UDA is big wave - he has got the message loud and clear.
What Ruto has done is very similar Sonko playbook.... play tribeless class divide and demonstrate seriousness by financing it. Hustler movement started in Nairobi. Such revolution is impossible to beat....Raila is trying everything to copy Hustler Movement but people know he is a fakery...his heart lies with useless BBI.
As for Sakaja - Nairobi will be taken by a Kikuyu this time round. They cannot go forgo PORK and Nairobi Governor. It's going to be Wanjiru...versus Peter Kenneth or Dennis Waweru..whoever Kamanda think would be ideal poodle...that is why Kamanda is keeping close tabs on poor Jakom...as soon as Raila endorse Kamanda candidate..he can go jump into lake victoria.
On good day - Weta's brother Tim Wanyonyi would win Nairobi - he is liked for his development record. I would vote Tim myself. But given UDA start with solid Wanjiru - wanjiru takes it - as NASA/OKA/Kamanda crew split their votes.
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My main concern with this announcement is that I hope Havi does not manipulate things so as to seem that LSK is endorsing Ruto. This would be a very stupid mistake. LSK should put out a statement that Havi is acting in his private capacity. Ruto is the last person who should be associated with LSK, given his Youth for Kanu '92 background, ICC issue and other things.
NGOs that promote the rule of law should keep a very close eye on this. Don't let the Kenyan public be fooled into associating Ruto with LSK. This is between Ruto and Havi (the individual). Nothing more.
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My main concern with this announcement is that I hope Havi does not manipulate things so as to seem that LSK is endorsing Ruto. This would be a very stupid mistake. LSK should put out a statement that Havi is acting in his private capacity. Ruto is the last person who should be associated with LSK, given his Youth for Kanu '92 background, ICC issue and other things.
NGOs that promote the rule of law should keep a very close eye on this. Don't let the Kenyan public be fooled into associating Ruto with LSK. This is between Ruto and Havi (the individual). Nothing more.
Ruto was sanitized by opposing BBI vehemently. The whole Judiciary, from Maraga, Mutunga, HaviI, and LSK fraternity, except a few miscreants, are on DP's corner. There is no more enormous fraud visited upon people of Kenya than BBI. Thanks, DP; the shining armor was there to deploy his political muscle to destroy it. LSK fraternity is entirely behind DP!
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Keep dreaming. You remind me of your other half (RV Pundit) who claimed here recently that Ruto cannot be retried by the ICC!
My main concern with this announcement is that I hope Havi does not manipulate things so as to seem that LSK is endorsing Ruto. This would be a very stupid mistake. LSK should put out a statement that Havi is acting in his private capacity. Ruto is the last person who should be associated with LSK, given his Youth for Kanu '92 background, ICC issue and other things.
NGOs that promote the rule of law should keep a very close eye on this. Don't let the Kenyan public be fooled into associating Ruto with LSK. This is between Ruto and Havi (the individual). Nothing more.
Ruto was sanitized by opposing BBI vehemently. The whole Judiciary, from Maraga, Mutunga, HaviI, and LSK fraternity, except a few miscreants, are on DP's corner. There is no more enormous fraud visited upon people of Kenya than BBI. Thanks, DP; the shining armor was there to deploy his political muscle to destroy it. LSK fraternity is entirely behind DP!
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RVHH.... this is where you guys keep lying to yourself that Baba is nothing without Kikuyu hate!! This is what you have been preaching to the Kikuyu Youth in Mt. Kenya that Baba is PORK (President of Republic of Kenya :D indeed), kimundu etc.... Keep deluding yourself and we love that music. Truth is between Baba and Ruto, Baba is more trusted than Ruto can ever hope to be/achieve (even in his lifetime), and the Luhyas know where to put that trust.
No way Westlands Luhyas will vote UDA. That said huge miscalculation by Havi. In any case, the cosmopolitan Westlands can't countenance a so-called Hustler nightmare, most of those Mhimdis (90%) will vote Baba. So, what is Havi's calculation here?? And don't forget, he would have done better or would have been more appealing if he was on ANC, at least some "woiyee" votes from a couple of Luhyas... explains why Sakaja has already given up hope of any elective seat in Nairobi, he understand the maths better; anyway we understand Havi's move is just opening the way for Musalia's eventual landing at UDA as he is said to be headed there!
Take this to the Bank, the Luhya part of Nairobi (and country-wide) will predominantly/solidly vote for Baba.
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
Muhindis and other tribes in wastelands, especially kyuks, have no problem with DP. In Nairobi and other cosmopolitan areas, maybe Luos, are opposed to Ruto. Like I said, without GEMA at the top and BUBU not campaigning on Kikuyu hate for the first time, some shifts will shock people. DP has connections in every hood, including Luhyas of Nairobi. If Mudavadi, Wamalwa, and Weta fail to join Bubu, Luhyas of Nairobi and everywhere will migrate to UDA. Muhindis thrived during Mois and had no reason to panic under another Kalenjin! With Shiro running on UDA, all Kikuyus in Nairobi will put their votes in one basket. Sonko, too, will endorse UDA and campaign hard when the time comes.
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Keep dreaming. You remind me of your other half (RV Pundit) who claimed here recently that Ruto cannot be retried by the ICC!
My main concern with this announcement is that I hope Havi does not manipulate things so as to seem that LSK is endorsing Ruto. This would be a very stupid mistake. LSK should put out a statement that Havi is acting in his private capacity. Ruto is the last person who should be associated with LSK, given his Youth for Kanu '92 background, ICC issue and other things.
NGOs that promote the rule of law should keep a very close eye on this. Don't let the Kenyan public be fooled into associating Ruto with LSK. This is between Ruto and Havi (the individual). Nothing more.
Ruto was sanitized by opposing BBI vehemently. The whole Judiciary, from Maraga, Mutunga, HaviI, and LSK fraternity, except a few miscreants, are on DP's corner. There is no more enormous fraud visited upon people of Kenya than BBI. Thanks, DP; the shining armor was there to deploy his political muscle to destroy it. LSK fraternity is entirely behind DP!
You are the one dreaming. ICC's top prosecutor (Mr Khan) is DP's errand boy. They chat on a weekly, and I doubt he will entertain Ruto's prosecution under his watch!
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Wishful thinking mixed with the typical cult of personality type thinking which is what Ruto's fanatical online supporters always use to get us past Ruto's thuggishness. Will it work?
RVHH.... this is where you guys keep lying to yourself that Baba is nothing without Kikuyu hate!! This is what you have been preaching to the Kikuyu Youth in Mt. Kenya that Baba is PORK (President of Republic of Kenya :D indeed), kimundu etc.... Keep deluding yourself and we love that music. Truth is between Baba and Ruto, Baba is more trusted than Ruto can ever hope to be/achieve (even in his lifetime), and the Luhyas know where to put that trust.
No way Westlands Luhyas will vote UDA. That said huge miscalculation by Havi. In any case, the cosmopolitan Westlands can't countenance a so-called Hustler nightmare, most of those Mhimdis (90%) will vote Baba. So, what is Havi's calculation here?? And don't forget, he would have done better or would have been more appealing if he was on ANC, at least some "woiyee" votes from a couple of Luhyas... explains why Sakaja has already given up hope of any elective seat in Nairobi, he understand the maths better; anyway we understand Havi's move is just opening the way for Musalia's eventual landing at UDA as he is said to be headed there!
Take this to the Bank, the Luhya part of Nairobi (and country-wide) will predominantly/solidly vote for Baba.
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
Muhindis and other tribes in wastelands, especially kyuks, have no problem with DP. In Nairobi and other cosmopolitan areas, maybe Luos, are opposed to Ruto. Like I said, without GEMA at the top and BUBU not campaigning on Kikuyu hate for the first time, some shifts will shock people. DP has connections in every hood, including Luhyas of Nairobi. If Mudavadi, Wamalwa, and Weta fail to join Bubu, Luhyas of Nairobi and everywhere will migrate to UDA. Muhindis thrived during Mois and had no reason to panic under another Kalenjin! With Shiro running on UDA, all Kikuyus in Nairobi will put their votes in one basket. Sonko, too, will endorse UDA and campaign hard when the time comes.
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A hustler can also be a thief. He can also be a killer. He can also be someone who fights against democracy until it suits him.
What is so special about the "hustler" word?
I hope you are not implying that Ruto is an honest hustler. Please!
Nairobi UDA and Ruto is very popular because of Hustler Nation is essentially a urban narrative. Despite attempt to demonize the word - most Nairobeans call themselves proudly hustlers.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-photos-nelson-havi-officially-joins-rutos-uda/
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Wishful thinking mixed with the typical cult of personality type thinking which is what Ruto's fanatical online supporters always use to get us past Ruto's thuggishness. Will it work?
RVHH.... this is where you guys keep lying to yourself that Baba is nothing without Kikuyu hate!! This is what you have been preaching to the Kikuyu Youth in Mt. Kenya that Baba is PORK (President of Republic of Kenya :D indeed), kimundu etc.... Keep deluding yourself and we love that music. Truth is between Baba and Ruto, Baba is more trusted than Ruto can ever hope to be/achieve (even in his lifetime), and the Luhyas know where to put that trust.
No way Westlands Luhyas will vote UDA. That said huge miscalculation by Havi. In any case, the cosmopolitan Westlands can't countenance a so-called Hustler nightmare, most of those Mhimdis (90%) will vote Baba. So, what is Havi's calculation here?? And don't forget, he would have done better or would have been more appealing if he was on ANC, at least some "woiyee" votes from a couple of Luhyas... explains why Sakaja has already given up hope of any elective seat in Nairobi, he understand the maths better; anyway we understand Havi's move is just opening the way for Musalia's eventual landing at UDA as he is said to be headed there!
Take this to the Bank, the Luhya part of Nairobi (and country-wide) will predominantly/solidly vote for Baba.
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
Muhindis and other tribes in wastelands, especially kyuks, have no problem with DP. In Nairobi and other cosmopolitan areas, maybe Luos, are opposed to Ruto. Like I said, without GEMA at the top and BUBU not campaigning on Kikuyu hate for the first time, some shifts will shock people. DP has connections in every hood, including Luhyas of Nairobi. If Mudavadi, Wamalwa, and Weta fail to join Bubu, Luhyas of Nairobi and everywhere will migrate to UDA. Muhindis thrived during Mois and had no reason to panic under another Kalenjin! With Shiro running on UDA, all Kikuyus in Nairobi will put their votes in one basket. Sonko, too, will endorse UDA and campaign hard when the time comes.
You have to give it to DP. He is running for the first time and he is shaking the whole system, including Raila who is running for the fifth time.
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I would love for Khan to read your comment about him and Ruto. Trust me, he would NOT be flattered.
Keep dreaming. You remind me of your other half (RV Pundit) who claimed here recently that Ruto cannot be retried by the ICC!
My main concern with this announcement is that I hope Havi does not manipulate things so as to seem that LSK is endorsing Ruto. This would be a very stupid mistake. LSK should put out a statement that Havi is acting in his private capacity. Ruto is the last person who should be associated with LSK, given his Youth for Kanu '92 background, ICC issue and other things.
NGOs that promote the rule of law should keep a very close eye on this. Don't let the Kenyan public be fooled into associating Ruto with LSK. This is between Ruto and Havi (the individual). Nothing more.
Ruto was sanitized by opposing BBI vehemently. The whole Judiciary, from Maraga, Mutunga, HaviI, and LSK fraternity, except a few miscreants, are on DP's corner. There is no more enormous fraud visited upon people of Kenya than BBI. Thanks, DP; the shining armor was there to deploy his political muscle to destroy it. LSK fraternity is entirely behind DP!
You are the one dreaming. ICC's top prosecutor (Mr Khan) is DP's errand boy. They chat on a weekly, and I doubt he will entertain Ruto's prosecution under his watch!
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No! I am NOT impressed by Ruto. Instead, I cry for Kenya for being starved of real leadership for so long that a person like Ruto can present himself as the answer for Kenya. God have mercy on us!
Wishful thinking mixed with the typical cult of personality type thinking which is what Ruto's fanatical online supporters always use to get us past Ruto's thuggishness. Will it work?
RVHH.... this is where you guys keep lying to yourself that Baba is nothing without Kikuyu hate!! This is what you have been preaching to the Kikuyu Youth in Mt. Kenya that Baba is PORK (President of Republic of Kenya :D indeed), kimundu etc.... Keep deluding yourself and we love that music. Truth is between Baba and Ruto, Baba is more trusted than Ruto can ever hope to be/achieve (even in his lifetime), and the Luhyas know where to put that trust.
No way Westlands Luhyas will vote UDA. That said huge miscalculation by Havi. In any case, the cosmopolitan Westlands can't countenance a so-called Hustler nightmare, most of those Mhimdis (90%) will vote Baba. So, what is Havi's calculation here?? And don't forget, he would have done better or would have been more appealing if he was on ANC, at least some "woiyee" votes from a couple of Luhyas... explains why Sakaja has already given up hope of any elective seat in Nairobi, he understand the maths better; anyway we understand Havi's move is just opening the way for Musalia's eventual landing at UDA as he is said to be headed there!
Take this to the Bank, the Luhya part of Nairobi (and country-wide) will predominantly/solidly vote for Baba.
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
Muhindis and other tribes in wastelands, especially kyuks, have no problem with DP. In Nairobi and other cosmopolitan areas, maybe Luos, are opposed to Ruto. Like I said, without GEMA at the top and BUBU not campaigning on Kikuyu hate for the first time, some shifts will shock people. DP has connections in every hood, including Luhyas of Nairobi. If Mudavadi, Wamalwa, and Weta fail to join Bubu, Luhyas of Nairobi and everywhere will migrate to UDA. Muhindis thrived during Mois and had no reason to panic under another Kalenjin! With Shiro running on UDA, all Kikuyus in Nairobi will put their votes in one basket. Sonko, too, will endorse UDA and campaign hard when the time comes.
You have to give it to DP. He is running for the first time and he is shaking the whole system, including Raila who is running for the fifth time.
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I would love for Khan to read your comment about him and Ruto. Trust me, he would NOT be flattered.
Keep dreaming. You remind me of your other half (RV Pundit) who claimed here recently that Ruto cannot be retried by the ICC!
My main concern with this announcement is that I hope Havi does not manipulate things so as to seem that LSK is endorsing Ruto. This would be a very stupid mistake. LSK should put out a statement that Havi is acting in his private capacity. Ruto is the last person who should be associated with LSK, given his Youth for Kanu '92 background, ICC issue and other things.
NGOs that promote the rule of law should keep a very close eye on this. Don't let the Kenyan public be fooled into associating Ruto with LSK. This is between Ruto and Havi (the individual). Nothing more.
Ruto was sanitized by opposing BBI vehemently. The whole Judiciary, from Maraga, Mutunga, HaviI, and LSK fraternity, except a few miscreants, are on DP's corner. There is no more enormous fraud visited upon people of Kenya than BBI. Thanks, DP; the shining armor was there to deploy his political muscle to destroy it. LSK fraternity is entirely behind DP!
You are the one dreaming. ICC's top prosecutor (Mr Khan) is DP's errand boy. They chat on a weekly, and I doubt he will entertain Ruto's prosecution under his watch!
Yes, he would be flattered publicly, but privately, he know it is the damn truth.
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So you know what Khan thinks? So fanatical Ruto supporters like you and your other half tell each other that Ruto is safe with the ICC since Khan is now at the top? So if new evidence comes out on Ruto, Khan will block it?
What should we expect next? An announcement from the ICC that it's supporting Ruto in the election?
Keep dreaming.
I would love for Khan to read your comment about him and Ruto. Trust me, he would NOT be flattered.
Keep dreaming. You remind me of your other half (RV Pundit) who claimed here recently that Ruto cannot be retried by the ICC!
My main concern with this announcement is that I hope Havi does not manipulate things so as to seem that LSK is endorsing Ruto. This would be a very stupid mistake. LSK should put out a statement that Havi is acting in his private capacity. Ruto is the last person who should be associated with LSK, given his Youth for Kanu '92 background, ICC issue and other things.
NGOs that promote the rule of law should keep a very close eye on this. Don't let the Kenyan public be fooled into associating Ruto with LSK. This is between Ruto and Havi (the individual). Nothing more.
Ruto was sanitized by opposing BBI vehemently. The whole Judiciary, from Maraga, Mutunga, HaviI, and LSK fraternity, except a few miscreants, are on DP's corner. There is no more enormous fraud visited upon people of Kenya than BBI. Thanks, DP; the shining armor was there to deploy his political muscle to destroy it. LSK fraternity is entirely behind DP!
You are the one dreaming. ICC's top prosecutor (Mr Khan) is DP's errand boy. They chat on a weekly, and I doubt he will entertain Ruto's prosecution under his watch!
Yes, he would be flattered publicly, but privately, he know it is the damn truth.
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No! I am NOT impressed by Ruto. Instead, I cry for Kenya for being starved of real leadership for so long that a person like Ruto can present himself as the answer for Kenya. God have mercy on us!
I know DP personally, and I cannot think of any person on earth qualified to kill corruption and take economy to another level in Kenya than DP. He will work from 6 am to 10pm every day for Kenya. Folks stealing right now are in thousands, but with him leading the government, it will dwindle to less than 10 people.
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Really? Charity begins at home, as they always tell us on this planet (Ruto's planet is different. Is he from Pluto?).
No! I am NOT impressed by Ruto. Instead, I cry for Kenya for being starved of real leadership for so long that a person like Ruto can present himself as the answer for Kenya. God have mercy on us!
I know DP personally, and I cannot think of any person on earth qualified to kill corruption and take economy to another level in Kenya than DP. He will work from 6 am to 10pm every day for Kenya. Folks stealing right now are in thousands, but with him leading the government, it will dwindle to less than 10 people.
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Really? Charity begins at home, as they always tell us on this planet (Ruto's planet is different. Is he from Pluto?).
No! I am NOT impressed by Ruto. Instead, I cry for Kenya for being starved of real leadership for so long that a person like Ruto can present himself as the answer for Kenya. God have mercy on us!
I know DP personally, and I cannot think of any person on earth qualified to kill corruption and take economy to another level in Kenya than DP. He will work from 6 am to 10pm every day for Kenya. Folks stealing right now are in thousands, but with him leading the government, it will dwindle to less than 10 people.
Indeed charity begins at home. At home in Kenya and your neighborhood, DP has shown and proved he is the servant of the people; that is why millions of people trust and vote for his input every time. He put his weight behind Raila in 2007, and tinga managed to dislodge Kibaki. He further put his weight on Uhuru, and he managed to make him president twice. In 2022 he'll put his energy behind ordinary Kenyans and guarantee they will succeed collectively under his stewardship. If you don't believe me call your mama, and if she is still alive, ask her views about the DP. If he has not helped her church or women's group, he has touched her in some way through a local self-help group or in some way! Report and don't lie about your mama!
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This kind of nonsense works for some people. But there are others with whom this revisionist crap will never do. You will have to kill me.
Really? Charity begins at home, as they always tell us on this planet (Ruto's planet is different. Is he from Pluto?).
No! I am NOT impressed by Ruto. Instead, I cry for Kenya for being starved of real leadership for so long that a person like Ruto can present himself as the answer for Kenya. God have mercy on us!
I know DP personally, and I cannot think of any person on earth qualified to kill corruption and take economy to another level in Kenya than DP. He will work from 6 am to 10pm every day for Kenya. Folks stealing right now are in thousands, but with him leading the government, it will dwindle to less than 10 people.
Indeed charity begins at home. At home in Kenya and your neighborhood, DP has shown and proved he is the servant of the people; that is why millions of people trust and vote for his input every time. He put his weight behind Raila in 2007, and tinga managed to dislodge Kibaki. He further put his weight on Uhuru, and he managed to make him president twice. In 2022 he'll put his energy behind ordinary Kenyans and guarantee they will succeed collectively under his stewardship. If you don't believe me call your mama, and if she is still alive, ask her views about the DP. If he has not helped her church or women's group, he has touched her in some way through a local self-help group or in some way! Report and don't lie about your mama!
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This kind of nonsense works for some people. But there are others with whom this revisionist crap will never do. You will have to kill me.
Kill you for what? We need you to stay alive so you can witness Kenya's transformation from 2022-2032. What Uhuru, Kibaki, Raila, and Moi achieved in 60 years will be done by DP in max 8 years. The man simply know how to plan, organize, and execute a people-centered agenda.
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Precisely.
Kill you for what? We need you to stay alive so you can witness Kenya's transformation from 2022-2032. What Uhuru, Kibaki, Raila, and Moi achieved in 60 years will be done by DP in max 8 years. The man simply know how to plan, organize, and execute a people-centered agenda.
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Has your blackmailing talk of the past been ended? No more warnings of violence if one does not vote for your God? No more talk of how things will start with one's cow being stolen before more dreadful acts begin?
Whom are you fooling?
This kind of nonsense works for some people. But there are others with whom this revisionist crap will never do. You will have to kill me.
Kill you for what? We need you to stay alive so you can witness Kenya's transformation from 2022-2032. What Uhuru, Kibaki, Raila, and Moi achieved in 60 years will be done by DP in max 8 years. The man simply know how to plan, organize, and execute a people-centered agenda.
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RVs scale down with Bravado.....You are now sounding like ODMers.
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Havi is free to make his choices. I however think he's blundered badly. Changing parties like panties has damaged him.
What does he want. Let's be truthful: he wants CDF money. Now ameshindwa kula za LSK where all but two past chairmen left billionaires sasa za CDF with over political Nairobi thugs ataweza
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You call blackmailing people by using the horrific violence of 2007/8 as "bravado"? Most normal people would have another name for it and it would not be flattering.
RVs scale down with Bravado.....You are now sounding like ODMers.
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RVs scale down with Bravado.....You are now sounding like ODMers.
Why do you have to beg him. Pundit reasons for supporting Uda are out of self interest. To him the end justifies the means. He want ruto to deliver in his areas of interest. You are supporting ruto may be for the "common good" so stop trying to bully Pundit into tailoring his support to fit your interests or narrative
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Most mps defecting and redefecting like Waruguru are confused. They are following the fog but it will dissappear as quick as it showed up. Chances are if you were an elected at any given time you won't be elected again. 70% of incumbent defectors won't even go past nominations. Ruto is inheriting a lot of baggage. If I was an incumbent I would tactically support uda just to kill momentum and abandon it in April next year
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Focus on ruto and the guys on the frontline - we are just cheerleaders. If ruto display bravado - please let us know. Otherwise whatever we say or do here - has zero totally zero impact on real politics.
RVs scale down with Bravado.....You are now sounding like ODMers.
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They are following the ground. Uhuru the lameduck mambo yake kwisha. I expect he will do the needful - bring Mama ngina to Ruto and beg forgiveness.
Most mps defecting and redefecting like Waiguru are confused. They are following the fog but it will dissappear as quick as it showed up.
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No! I am NOT impressed by Ruto. Instead, I cry for Kenya for being starved of real leadership for so long that a person like Ruto can present himself as the answer for Kenya. God have mercy on us!
Wishful thinking mixed with the typical cult of personality type thinking which is what Ruto's fanatical online supporters always use to get us past Ruto's thuggishness. Will it work?
RVHH.... this is where you guys keep lying to yourself that Baba is nothing without Kikuyu hate!! This is what you have been preaching to the Kikuyu Youth in Mt. Kenya that Baba is PORK (President of Republic of Kenya :D indeed), kimundu etc.... Keep deluding yourself and we love that music. Truth is between Baba and Ruto, Baba is more trusted than Ruto can ever hope to be/achieve (even in his lifetime), and the Luhyas know where to put that trust.
No way Westlands Luhyas will vote UDA. That said huge miscalculation by Havi. In any case, the cosmopolitan Westlands can't countenance a so-called Hustler nightmare, most of those Mhimdis (90%) will vote Baba. So, what is Havi's calculation here?? And don't forget, he would have done better or would have been more appealing if he was on ANC, at least some "woiyee" votes from a couple of Luhyas... explains why Sakaja has already given up hope of any elective seat in Nairobi, he understand the maths better; anyway we understand Havi's move is just opening the way for Musalia's eventual landing at UDA as he is said to be headed there!
Take this to the Bank, the Luhya part of Nairobi (and country-wide) will predominantly/solidly vote for Baba.
ODM's anti-kikuyu platform suddenly struggles when there is no Kikuyu Presidential candidate. Westland's, the Luhya part of Nairobi has no problem with DP, the Kalenjin. The ground will shift until watu watalia. Even coast was following ODM mostly because of subtle anti-kikuyuism
Muhindis and other tribes in wastelands, especially kyuks, have no problem with DP. In Nairobi and other cosmopolitan areas, maybe Luos, are opposed to Ruto. Like I said, without GEMA at the top and BUBU not campaigning on Kikuyu hate for the first time, some shifts will shock people. DP has connections in every hood, including Luhyas of Nairobi. If Mudavadi, Wamalwa, and Weta fail to join Bubu, Luhyas of Nairobi and everywhere will migrate to UDA. Muhindis thrived during Mois and had no reason to panic under another Kalenjin! With Shiro running on UDA, all Kikuyus in Nairobi will put their votes in one basket. Sonko, too, will endorse UDA and campaign hard when the time comes.
You have to give it to DP. He is running for the first time and he is shaking the whole system, including Raila who is running for the fifth time.
Sometimes I say let high priest win then Kenyan will learn say goodbye.
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They are following the ground. Uhuru the lameduck mambo yake kwisha. I expect he will do the needful - bring Mama ngina to Ruto and beg forgiveness.
Most mps defecting and redefecting like Waiguru are confused. They are following the fog but it will dissappear as quick as it showed up.
Uhuru is a factor he has to be in the game for ruto anti dynasty message to work. Uhuru has chosen to not engage be lame duck but offer raila the state machinery to compete. Now those opposed to uhuru like ichungwa have to find a boogeyman. The ground in Central is not yet firmed on ruto. You will find most of vocal ruto supporters are young people and opportunists. If you look at iebc registration and voting you find this group is didn't register and if it did they may not vote.
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You still dont get it. Ruto unlike Uhuru has broad support. He is beating Raila everywhere except Nyanza. Ruto has been carefully to court GEMA without loosing Non-GEMA. This is something Raila is unable to do. Ruto knows how to walk the tight rope. It takes incredible discipline and messaging. You dont get overexcited with Musa propaganda like one man one shilling and you find you've lost 75 percent of Kenya who are non-gema.
Now I have run the maths - Ruto can win even with 40% of GEMA - if he can get Kambas or a Kamba size vote.
Uhuru can offer Raila state machinery - but so far evidence suggest Ruto is overspending state machinery 10:0. So what exactly is state machinery - threats of prosecution from Kinoti - on governors - ndio imebaki - and maybe later prov administration.
Governors are buying time - and like gov operatives - come February - all hell break loose for Uhuru. Governors will openly move to UDA because they need UDA to make it in April nomination.
Uhuru is a factor he has to be in the game for ruto anti dynasty message to work. Uhuru has chosen to not engage be lame duck but offer raila the state machinery to compete. Now those opposed to uhuru like ichungwa have to find a boogeyman. The ground in Central is not yet firmed on ruto. You will find most of vocal ruto supporters are young people and opportunists. If you look at iebc registration and voting you find this group is didn't register and if it did they may not vote.
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DP saved his presidential campaign money in 2013-2015. Even the Kenyan treasury will struggle to compete with him. At a minimum, he will spend 5-10 million daily, but from February next year to the election, he will ratchet up to 100m a day if need be. Like we learned in form two, money is a store of value, a medium of exchange, or a commodity used to move immovable things. All those non-moving governors will soon start moving!