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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on November 22, 2021, 01:24:05 PM
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https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-miguna-given-72-hours-to-obtain-emergency-travel-document-back-to-kenya/
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Good for him let him come home and stop being keyboard worrier.
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He will find some other reason to sabotage himself.
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Best is send a boda boda to Miguna with his papers.
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He is going to milk this and Matiangi till the last drop.
Best is send a boda boda to Miguna with his papers.
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Drama continue. The order is clear - Embassy to issue Miguna the travel document. Miguna should just show is ID - and the embassy should already have prepared the document.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MigunaMiguna/status/1462785674864734215/photo/1
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Executive has gone rogue. Judiciary has no power to effect these orders.
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With the recent order of jailing DCI BOSS, you can rest assured folks in Gov't are now acting right. No one wants the wrath of judiciary!
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I do not get this miguna thing, those of us who are dual citizens have travelled dozens or times to Kenya. My wife and I use the Kenyan passports, do not need to go to the embassy for any documents. All my kids use American passports, we pay an entry fee of $50, that may have changed but that’s we paid the last time we travelled as a family. I have no idea why Miguna’s situation is different, why not use the Canadian passport, pay an entry fee and normalize all the other documents in Kenya, it doesn’t add up. There is something missed in this whole drama.
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Matiangi instead of charging Miguna Miguna with treason - deported a kenyan by birth, perforated his kenyan passport and then has now gone ahead to issue the red alert against Miguna coming using any passport. That is the genesis of this mess. And that is what pains many kenyans.
During Moi - people self-exiled - after Moi made things too hot for them - never in history has a gov deported it's own citizen by birth. Even when Cok2010 allowed dual citizenship.
Deported a kenyan by birth - allegedly for treason - then embracing the real beneficiary of that treasonous act - Raila - is what makes this even more shameful.
Once Uhuru shaked hands with Raila - that hand extended to Miguna. Miguna should be given a charter flight back home - and this will be over.
I do not get this miguna thing, those of us who are dual citizens have travelled dozens or times to Kenya. My wife and I use the Kenyan passports, do not need to go to the embassy for any documents. All my kids use American passports, we pay an entry fee of $50, that may have changed but that’s we paid the last time we travelled as a family. I have no idea why Miguna’s situation is different, why not use the Canadian passport, pay an entry fee and normalize all the other documents in Kenya, it doesn’t add up. There is something missed in this whole drama.
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Kenyans abroad spend thousands dollars to bring their dead bodies home for burial - but here is living kenyan denied permission to come home, bury his own relatives and blocked from his birth place. It's sacrilegious.
Matiangi and Uhuru will pay dearly for this. Court system will throw them in jail if not bankrupted them. Miguna will make lots of money from his suffering.
This open and shut case. No kenyan born citizen should ever been deported.
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Migunas problem is Hardheadness. I tried to talk sense in him on twitter he eventually blocked me.
He insinuates govt have issued Red Alerts to the contrary.
If Govt had issued Red alert he wouldnt have left Canada Interpool would be on his case.
In the past Govt had issued a NOTAM/Advisory and what I told him is go to courts and seek an order squashing previous advisory and an anticipaorty order , he just blocked me and called me a Govt opperative supporting oppression. Next his lawyers were there seeking Red alerts to be dropped.
I tild Miguna you can travel to Uganda with the same Canadian Passport he uses to travell to Europe and when in Uganda travel by road. He continued crying Red alerts prevent him from travelling into Africa as if Africa is a country but I gathered he is trying to hype his coming to Kenya using the term " Red Alert"
Atleast the Judge who gave the current orders fully understands the nature of travelling .Even some deportees travel with temporary papers issued by the Embassy . Same thing Miguna can use.
Now these airlines once they know they can get into trouble all they do is they send emails to their offices in this case Nairobi asking foe clearance to carry so and so passenger the office asks immigration and thats how Miguna might have been stopped last time.
The court should jail the immigration officer who replies on such mails and heavily fine the airlines which refuses to carry a Kenyan passnger on illegal orders but Miguna being Miguna he would prefer crying red alerts in Twitter.
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It's actually simpler than that. Matiangi really wanted to go abroad to study and live there. After numerous not so fruitful applications and begging for scholarships he gave up but kept the anger.
What country did he want to go to with all his heart? Canada! Canada was his first choice.
So you can apply psychology from there on. It's a kinda personal thing for him. I doubt that Uhuru (a British citizen) is bothered by such. Besides Uhuru spent time in the US speaks fair American and he never really enjoyed living there. It happens to most of us after a while you prefer the slums, filth & the perils of our urban jungles to the over sanitized existence that's sterile & boring. Frankly I think Mzungu lives a terrible life!
But those who longed for it tried and fell short imagine they missed something. So Matiangi is telling Miguna and diasporans: you denied me access to Canada: I will deny you entry into my Kenya!
If he's not stopped by an adult this childish vendetta will bring him & others down
For the first time I witnessed many young people aghast at ot all. They heard a judge make orders. Miguna obeyed. The embassy called Nairobi and was actually advised to find an excuse to call German policemen to remove him. But the exchange over the emergency passport angered many. There is the intelligence woman all over the place ostensibly serving tea over and over.
The poor women were frank: if we do what you are asking we will be jobless.
In any case even if Miguna gets the one way emergency passport, Matiangi will not let him into his Kenya
He stole land; he siphoned 3.5 billion from the state and he disobeys court orders. If I were him I'd lie lower than an envelope. Regardless of who comes, firing Matiangi over 1pm news would be celebrated not just in Kisii where his abrasiveness has earned him hate but all over Kenya. People feel they didn't elect him or make him their overlord. Yet they see him usurping powers they could never entrust him with.
Matiangi can't determine who is a citizen. He has no such powers. In fact nobody has such powers. The constitution set out citizenship once and for all. The courts have added interpretation to fill in gaps.
What is annoying is that Matiangi and little bat Kibicho have refused to heed anything the court says. They are demanding that Miguna apply to regain citizenship despite ALL the courts having agreed and stipulated that he is a citizen. They are crazy!
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I missed some idiocy by the Uthamaki guy. He's written mavi ya mharo.
There's a red alert valid for Europe and countries surrounding Kenya. Uganda recognizes the red alert. We tried to get Miguna on flights to Uganda, Tanzania Ethiopia even South Sudan. It didn't work. No wonder Miguna blocked Mr. Uthamaki.
Miguna isn't hard headed. A man is demanding his rights. Rights aren't meant to be enjoyed conditionally like if you are a good boy.
Mr. Uthamaki can sneak into Kenya because apart from his tribesmen nobody knows him. Miguna and some of us have no such luxury. Your name appears on a manifest and phone calls everywhere alerting people. That stupid style was employed by Koigi. Uganda intelligence alerted the Kenyans. The NIS went to receive Koigi at entebbe.
He wanted to proceed to Nakuru: they told him actually we are heading there to Nairobi. To be credible they demanded cash to offset fuel costs. Guy thought he was lucky. Another team picked off in Nakuru. Guy got lots of lifts from what o hear. Rest is history
They could have KILLED him any time! But Moi wanted a propaganda victory not another murder.
Miguna knows all this even better than me. No wonder he found Mr. Uthamaki full of flatulence. It'd be suicide.
Mr. Uthamaki should concentrate on whether they will set up a stooge or just brave it with Ruto. Uthamaki is trapped!
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Tuko hapo. They are stuck. If I was one of them I would clean up my mess. Next gov will not carry your baggage. They will throw you to the dogs pronto. They wont waste their goodwill on a dead cat.
They should charter a flight, pick Miguna, give him a red carpet - and that story dies.
if they wait for 10 months - next gov will do precisely that - welcome Miguna in red carpet - and send Matiangi-Kibicho to prison.
Uhuru will eventually cut himself a personal deal - and hapo ndio these naive boys will now.
Next 10 months - they should go through all court orders - and obey them - or find a way to make them go away.
Then launder money in a very proffesional manner -
Then finally lawyer up - saves at least a billion Kshs for lawyer fees.
This is real transition coming up - like 2002. This is not continuation of Uthamaki like 2013.
Mr. Uthamaki should concentrate on whether they will set up a stooge or just brave it with Ruto. Uthamaki is trapped!
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Kenyans abroad spend thousands dollars to bring their dead bodies home for burial - but here is living kenyan denied permission to come home, bury his own relatives and blocked from his birth place. It's sacrilegious.
Matiangi and Uhuru will pay dearly for this. Court system will throw them in jail if not bankrupted them. Miguna will make lots of money from his suffering.
This open and shut case. No kenyan born citizen should ever been deported.
Totally agreed. Miguna be brought back home on presidential plane.
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Tuko hapo. They are stuck. If I was one of them I would clean up my mess. Next gov will not carry your baggage. They will throw you to the dogs pronto. They wont waste their goodwill on a dead cat.
They should charter a flight, pick Miguna, give him a red carpet - and that story dies.
if they wait for 10 months - next gov will do precisely that - welcome Miguna in red carpet - and send Matiangi-Kibicho to prison.
Uhuru will eventually cut himself a personal deal - and hapo ndio these naive boys will now.
Next 10 months - they should go through all court orders - and obey them - or find a way to make them go away.
Then launder money in a very proffesional manner -
Then finally lawyer up - saves at least a billion Kshs for lawyer fees.
Mr. Uthamaki should concentrate on whether they will set up a stooge or just brave it with Ruto. Uthamaki is trapped!
Waste On hotel court orders too. Revive KPC evidence.
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We are there now. Ruto has been subjected to all that and more. He has somehow survived 4yrs of frontal attack. Brilliant chap. Ruto cant even fly to Uganda - they put a red alert on him too - to keep him in Kenya. But Ruto smiles and makes a lemonade - you wont even know what deep shit have done to Ruto - but he doesnt mind. They locked Mombasa state lodge with his clothes on there. They have blocked DP office in Harambee house. They have done pretty much everything....but wapi. Ruto just ignore their tantrums and move on almost unperturbed...now 10 months to go...and the deep state are in total panic...project Raila has drunk water.
Next gov if Ruto loses will want Ruto keep silent - so they will cut a deal not touch Ruto - so Ruto keep mum and they feast on Kenya. That is in very unlikely event of Ruto loosing.
If ruto wins - matiangi and kibicho - will fry on their own fat.
Court orders they have defied will fry them.
Waste On hotel court orders too. Revive KPC evidence.
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If they have records of him denouncing his Kenyan citizenship to become a citizen of another country, don’t they have a right to ask him to go through the legal processes to reapply for his citizenship? I am not defending anyone, the story is becoming stale to me. If they want him to reapply, why didn’t he do it in Canada all this time and then sue them in Kenya for making him suffer and go through an illegal process? Does the govt have an obligation to obay court orders that will endanger the citizens, if the court ordered the government to release Osama bin Laden, would those in charge do it? I personally do not care what Miguna does but there is just something that doesn’t add up in this whole saga, so far he is winning the propaganda war.
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This has been litigated to death. Dont argue with court orders. You're a true specimen of stupid. Gov has made all those allegations and more...in what 5 courts...and all have ruled - bring Miguna home..he is kenyan from Magina in Kano plains of Nyando in Kisumu. Miguna entire lineage since 15th century when Luos move to Kenya are kenyans. He is very very kenyan.
Miguna should be brought back home. Then he can make his usual noise. And life goes on. Media house loves his dramatics - they bring viewers and money - so unlikely he will be shut down despite his cantankerous nature.
If they have records of him denouncing his Kenyan citizenship to become a citizen of another country, don’t they have a right to ask him to go through the legal processes to reapply for his citizenship? I am not defending anyone, the story is becoming stale to me. If they want him to reapply, why didn’t he do it in Canada all this time and then sue them in Kenya for making him suffer and go through an illegal process? Does the govt have an obligation to obay court orders that will endanger the citizens, if the court ordered the government to release Osama bin Laden, would those in charge do it? I personally do not care what Miguna does but there is just something that doesn’t add up in this whole saga, so far he is winning the propaganda war.
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To other stupid human beings, if my objective is to get to Kenya, I would do whatever to get there then sue, his goal now is to get to Kenya where he can make millions by suing. You can call me names but I am practical and realistic, it’s common sense. Get to Kenya and then sue for millions, the courts will rule in his favor, we can all see the torture he is going through.
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Call me names but will never support mwizi, Mwizi is also very vulnerable, he should be cutting deals just in case he does not win. I know you will tell us if they touch Ruto, there will be hell in Kenya. He will be charged in a court of law for stealing, the same courts will issue orders, let’s see who disobeys them.
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I fail to see how someone as intelligent as Matiangi is doing all this for spite, it’s total nonsense.
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Miguna has another home in Canada. This drama is to increase his payout check when matiangi and company finally pick the tabs. The more they keep Miguna - the more popular he become.
To other stupid human beings, if my objective is to get to Kenya, I would do whatever to get there then sue, his goal now is to get to Kenya where he can make millions by suing. You can call me names but I am practical and realistic, it’s common sense. Get to Kenya and then sue for millions, the courts will rule in his favor, we can all see the torture he is going through.
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Miguna cannot even win an MCA seat in Nyalgunga. His popularity is online and not on the ground.
Never the less, Miguna will in the end sue the Kenya government and he is going to win big no matter who becomes PORK next year. Neither Raila nor Ruto have a problem with Miguna. So after August 2022 he will be free to fly to Kenya.
Miguna has another home in Canada. This drama is to increase his payout check when matiangi and company finally pick the tabs. The more they keep Miguna - the more popular he become.
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I like Miguna fighting spirit but at some point you have to pick your fights carefully. Reading that directive from the court it is clear the court has given both the government and Miguna a way to diffuse the confrontation without anyone really losing or gaining any advantage. Miguna will get travel documents but has to apply to get his passport back after meeting the stipulated requirements. Hopefully the government won't trick him into perjuring himself by signing forms that clearly show he failed to disclose he was a citizen of Canada when dual citizenship had not been allowed. For all the hullabaloo this comes down to just a formality. Like a child born of Kenyan parents and is therefore Kenyan , they still do need something to show they are kenyan and it starts with a birth certificate etc.I hope Miguna can get this sorted out then get back to entertaining us by harassing the thieves and masters of impunity .
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Miguna is a lawyer, there is something he is not telling the world.
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Once we retire Raila next year - Miguna Migunas all over Nyanza will rise up and take the mantle.Obado will do it in SONY. Miguna in Kisumo. Orengo and Raila can keep Siaya :)
Luos are looking for next Odinga - crazy Miguna perfectly fit the bill
Miguna cannot even win an MCA seat in Nyalgunga. His popularity is online and not on the ground.
Never the less, Miguna will in the end sue the Kenya government and he is going to win big no matter who becomes PORK next year. Neither Raila nor Ruto have a problem with Miguna. So after August 2022 he will be free to fly to Kenya.
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Problem Pundit knows what Luos looking for, what my Kachimaga people looking for, what Obado will do, what Kiguna will fit the bill. He know hell more than devil himself.
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Problem Pundit knows what Luos looking for, what my Kachimaga people looking for, what Obado will do, what Kiguna will fit the bill. He know hell more than devil himself.
Pundit is right on Miguna. When senile bubu kaputs, or ends his shit show, Luo people may quickly assemble under Miguna because he is a fearless militant. Luos, Acholis, Nuers and similar tribes in Eastern Central Africa adore militant and fearless leaders. Okello/Milton Obote/Riek Machars are all fearless leaders the likes of Miguna. Luos don't really thrive with soft leaders!
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This guy is such an idiot it beats imagination. Did you fucking read any of the multiple judgments?
Miguna has never concealed the fact that he took up Canadian citizenship. Never! It's in all pleadings. If you had even listened a single judgment from Kimaru, etc you'd know the issue of other citizenship was dealt with and it is settled. The courts have unanimously ruled that acquisition of other citizenship in no way takes away the citizenship of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN which Miguna is. It was first settled in 2010 by Kimaru and subsequent judges have agreed.
Hopefully??? You son of a settler, how can you hope that a fellow citizen be denied entry or a passport by trickery? You're framing it as if the problem is caused by Miguna.
He doesn't need to disclose other citizenships because they matter not. It's not criminal nor unconstitutional to have other citizenships. If he renounced citizenship then they should be having the documents on file in immigration.
Dual citizenship may not have been expressly stated in the law but the courts have clarified it and it is a non issue - except for Uthamakistanis. The strange thing is thousands of you have dual or multiple citizenship including Uhuru Kenyatta, his wife, kids.
You have no idea how many MPs & ministers earnestly want this matter out of this world. We have a long list of them and for their own good they've avoided making silly comments like yours because we would expose them.
Take note that Miguna will return to Kenya. He will do so lawfully openly and enter through the front door.
Just stop spreading mavi ya mharo
I like Miguna fighting spirit but at some point you have to pick your fights carefully. Reading that directive from the court it is clear the court has given both the government and Miguna a way to diffuse the confrontation without anyone really losing or gaining any advantage. Miguna will get travel documents but has to apply to get his passport back after meeting the stipulated requirements. Hopefully the government won't trick him into perjuring himself by signing forms that clearly show he failed to disclose he was a citizen of Canada when dual citizenship had not been allowed. For all the hullabaloo this comes down to just a formality. Like a child born of Kenyan parents and is therefore Kenyan , they still do need something to show they are kenyan and it starts with a birth certificate etc.I hope Miguna can get this sorted out then get back to entertaining us by harassing the thieves and masters of impunity .
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Mr Uthamakistan, Can you define what a red flag is , who issues it and for what purposes and who is supposed to execute it ?
I missed some idiocy by the Uthamaki guy. He's written mavi ya mharo.
There's a red alert valid for Europe and countries surrounding Kenya. Uganda recognizes the red alert. We tried to get Miguna on flights to Uganda, Tanzania Ethiopia even South Sudan. It didn't work. No wonder Miguna blocked Mr. Uthamaki.
Miguna isn't hard headed. A man is demanding his rights. Rights aren't meant to be enjoyed conditionally like if you are a good boy.
Mr. Uthamaki can sneak into Kenya because apart from his tribesmen nobody knows him. Miguna and some of us have no such luxury. Your name appears on a manifest and phone calls everywhere alerting people. That stupid style was employed by Koigi. Uganda intelligence alerted the Kenyans. The NIS went to receive Koigi at entebbe.
He wanted to proceed to Nakuru: they told him actually we are heading there to Nairobi. To be credible they demanded cash to offset fuel costs. Guy thought he was lucky. Another team picked off in Nakuru. Guy got lots of lifts from what o hear. Rest is history
They could have KILLED him any time! But Moi wanted a propaganda victory not another murder.
Miguna knows all this even better than me. No wonder he found Mr. Uthamaki full of flatulence. It'd be suicide.
Mr. Uthamaki should concentrate on whether they will set up a stooge or just brave it with Ruto. Uthamaki is trapped!
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This is his real goal . He is doing it for his future pay check and political expediency . He trvalled from Canada to Europe with is Canadian passport . There is a reason he is not using it to travel to Kenya .
Miguna has already sued Emirates who have banned him for life , Air France and Lufthansa in Canadian courts he is now gathering more reasons to increase his pay check.
Next he will sue Kenyan Gorvenment unfortunately Kenyan tax payers money will be used ro compesate him. How I wish the Courts will make Matiangi and Kibicho personally liable I believe both of them can raise a Billion to pay Miguna from their pockets.
One thing we need ro recall Miguna career as a lawyer has scored by being compesated . He built his Runda money from being compesated by Canadian Police department.
Miguna has another home in Canada. This drama is to increase his payout check when matiangi and company finally pick the tabs. The more they keep Miguna - the more popular he become.
To other stupid human beings, if my objective is to get to Kenya, I would do whatever to get there then sue, his goal now is to get to Kenya where he can make millions by suing. You can call me names but I am practical and realistic, it’s common sense. Get to Kenya and then sue for millions, the courts will rule in his favor, we can all see the torture he is going through.
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I am political pundit of no mean repute. I spend my childhood looked in a home library devouring kenya newspapers and magazines. I know Kenya politics like the back of my hand.
Just accept and move on.
Raila clearly has no heir apparent in Luo Nyanza. We expect to see a big fight to inherit Luo votes. Definitely Obado and Miguna will lead that revolt. Kidero too is playing his cards in Homabay. Orengo is too old to be the future of Luos - he will only fly in Siaya. And so is Prof Nyongo.
So dont expect to see the last of Miguna soon.
Problem Pundit knows what Luos looking for, what my Kachimaga people looking for, what Obado will do, what Kiguna will fit the bill. He know hell more than devil himself.
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Red alerts are issued as warning when there is imminent danger around airports and routew e.g. from Volcanic Ash,Bomb scare , aircraft Collision, Pollution Thunderstom etc
What Miguna is trying to Insinuate is that A Red Notice has been issued against him . This is usually cordinated with Interpool . In that case he wouldnt even have flown into Europe leave alone left Canada.
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This is his real goal . He is doing it for his future pay check and political expediency . He trvalled from Canada to Europe with is Canadian passport . There is a reason he is not using it to travel to Kenya .
Miguna has already sued Emirates who have banned him for life , Air France and Lufthansa in Canadian courts he is now gathering more reasons to increase his pay check.
Next he will sue Kenyan Gorvenment unfortunately Kenyan tax payers money will be used ro compesate him. How I wish the Courts will make Matiangi and Kibicho personally liable I believe both of them can raise a Billion to pay Miguna from their pockets.
One thing we need ro recall Miguna career as a lawyer has scored by being compesated . He built his Runda money from being compesated by Canadian Police department.
Miguna has another home in Canada. This drama is to increase his payout check when matiangi and company finally pick the tabs. The more they keep Miguna - the more popular he become.
To other stupid human beings, if my objective is to get to Kenya, I would do whatever to get there then sue, his goal now is to get to Kenya where he can make millions by suing. You can call me names but I am practical and realistic, it’s common sense. Get to Kenya and then sue for millions, the courts will rule in his favor, we can all see the torture he is going through.
Dont even know what you're arguing here. Miguna has right to build homes with any money. We know palatial homes built with stolen money in Kenya so what are you arguing? Miguna has right to travel on Kenya passport or Canada passport he is making point you cannot deny. He will build five Runda home when compensated and this he will. Just a matter of time.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MigunaMiguna/status/1463212441052106753
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MigunaMiguna/status/1463212441052106753
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-23-miguna-fails-to-get-travel-documents-for-a-second-day/
Miguna is right but being silly every time mentioning Raila where nothing touches him seeing Raila shadow chasing him everywhere. Wacha akae huko basi.
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Let me clear I support Migunas right of Kenyan citizenship and his journey back to homeland . Many do , however for Miguna its more than that . He wants to milk out of it politically and financially . Hio tu .
Dont even know what you're arguing here. Miguna has right to build homes with any money. We know palatial homes built with stolen money in Kenya so what are you arguing? Miguna has right to travel on Kenya passport or Canada passport he is making point you cannot deny. He will build five Runda home when compensated and this he will. Just a matter of time.
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Why would Raila enjoy the fruits of Miguna - Miguna feel betrayed because his tribulation stems from swearing Raila - who is enjoying state largesse.
My friend people do not feel pain being mistreated by an enemy (they expect it) - they feel incredible pain when it done by their own (Raila) - that kind of backstabbing is very painful.
Miguna was amongst the few lawyers who stepped up to swear Raila when everyone was afraid.
As part of handshake - Raila should have started with Miguna and all those in court for all the rebellion. The first sentence of handshake agreement should have been to withdraw all cases against NASA supporters...including Migunas.
We saw in rift valley in 2007 - Raila when he got chopper to Sagana - forget about thousands of youth who had been charged with various offences. Most of these youths were innocent ODM supporters arrested in demo rallies - ODM did nothing - until Ruto decided to fund raise for their bails. That was start of betrayal. Soon it was on Ruto.
Rv decided it was better to deal with their enemy Mt Kenya - directly - than get betrayed by a proxy - and expose themselves to great harm.
RVs and GEMA have since buried the hatchet - and do not entertain long tales from conman keen to use their difference for his advantage - when rubber meet the roads - he disappear - only to reappear as white as snow
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-23-miguna-fails-to-get-travel-documents-for-a-second-day/
Miguna is right but being silly every time mentioning Raila where nothing touches him seeing Raila shadow chasing him everywhere. Wacha akae huko basi.
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This guy is such an idiot it beats imagination. Did you fucking read any of the multiple judgments?
Miguna has never concealed the fact that he took up Canadian citizenship. Never! It's in all pleadings. If you had even listened a single judgment from Kimaru, etc you'd know the issue of other citizenship was dealt with and it is settled. The courts have unanimously ruled that acquisition of other citizenship in no way takes away the citizenship of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN which Miguna is. It was first settled in 2010 by Kimaru and subsequent judges have agreed.
Hopefully??? You son of a settler, how can you hope that a fellow citizen be denied entry or a passport by trickery? You're framing it as if the problem is caused by Miguna.
He doesn't need to disclose other citizenships because they matter not. It's not criminal nor unconstitutional to have other citizenships. If he renounced citizenship then they should be having the documents on file in immigration.
Dual citizenship may not have been expressly stated in the law but the courts have clarified it and it is a non issue - except for Uthamakistanis. The strange thing is thousands of you have dual or multiple citizenship including Uhuru Kenyatta, his wife, kids.
You have no idea how many MPs & ministers earnestly want this matter out of this world. We have a long list of them and for their own good they've avoided making silly comments like yours because we would expose them.
Take note that Miguna will return to Kenya. He will do so lawfully openly and enter through the front door.
Just stop spreading mavi ya mharo
I like Miguna fighting spirit but at some point you have to pick your fights carefully. Reading that directive from the court it is clear the court has given both the government and Miguna a way to diffuse the confrontation without anyone really losing or gaining any advantage. Miguna will get travel documents but has to apply to get his passport back after meeting the stipulated requirements. Hopefully the government won't trick him into perjuring himself by signing forms that clearly show he failed to disclose he was a citizen of Canada when dual citizenship had not been allowed. For all the hullabaloo this comes down to just a formality. Like a child born of Kenyan parents and is therefore Kenyan , they still do need something to show they are kenyan and it starts with a birth certificate etc.I hope Miguna can get this sorted out then get back to entertaining us by harassing the thieves and masters of impunity .
There goes the genius know it all with matusi. You can argue or educate others without resorting to matusi because I can equally do so but I have etiquette. Now I know very well that there are so many dual citizens including in parliament. I have been abroad from 04 and around the time of the new katiba I met the late Mayor Wathika in Andover Massachusetts at a credit union with a mzee friend of his. We had a little chat about why they were so opposed to dual citizens serving in some posts and most of what he said was just fear of the fact that most Kenyans in the diaspora would be very difficult to contain. Now I assume from our previous interactions online we both have some legal education and so you would know that laws are dynamic for a reason. Some laws look good on the books but can cause an absurdity , remember ( the golden rule)your third rule on interpretation of statutes about not allowing an only heir to inherit parents they just killed? Now you saw something similar with the law telling that lady ambassador to renounce her other citizenship. If my memory serves me right there was a case by Lenaola on the same issue before. My belief is that Migunas case was just a formality but he made a big deal about it for fear of committing perjury. I will do a little homework on what the law as amended says about the issue of those who had acquired dual citizenship. You can also educate us without resorting to matusi.
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This a case where despite miguna belligerence and narcissism we in diaspora need to support him. It will a big win in respecting the dual citizens rights. Cok2010 tried to strip dual citizens of their rights. For example it states that a dual citizens whoborn in kenya but acquired a citizens elsewhere cannot be a state officer. However a kid born of kenyan citizen and is a dual citizen can be a state officer. Meaning my kids can be.
This actually surprised a lot of kenyans in diaspora. I remember hearing this from former construction implement commission chair Nyachae.
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The matter is settled by 10 judges. I was also of the opinion that one who had renounce his citenzship previously had to regularize but Miguna has argued like many can - that they never even in old constitution renounce their citenzship. The law previously assumed you would have to renounce kenya citizenship to become a somalian or canadian. But what if you never did that. Then there is nothing to be done - for you to regain - what you never lost.
Otherwise we would require Raila to renounce Uganda or whatever fake citizenship he escaped kenya with.
So it quite simple. Unless anybody has evidence that diasporian renounced his citizenship. They need NOT do anything.
Some people did FORMALLY renounce their citizneship. For example many althetes to compete abroad - signed renunciation of kenya citizenship to avoid Kenya gov official running after them.
But did average diaspora citizen formally renounce their citizenship. Majority did NOT. Nearly 90 percent sneak back to Kenya with their passport and go back as foreigners. They bribe to get entry or exit stamp on their kenyan passport.
They simply got foreign citizenship and hide that fact from kenya authorities. When COk2010 allowed it - it only applied to whoever signed the renunciation forms. Miguna never did that. He is like Oburu who had a fake Somali passport to escape Kenyatta regime.
You cannot go to Oburu and say - okay we found out your're somalian previously based on this passport - we therefore assumed you had renounced kenya citizenship - we are deporting you to kismayu - until you sign this form and fill this papers to regain kenya citizenship
The old constitution envisage situation where you renounce your citizenship but if Canada doesnt bother to ask you; you never renounce it.
If you did renounce it; like most althetes; you hand over all kenya stuff; ID, passport and everything; and become a Canadian. Miguna NEVER renounced his citizenship therefore he cannot regain it. Althetes who did - can regain their citizenship now.
There goes the genius know it all with matusi. You can argue or educate others without resorting to matusi because I can equally do so but I have etiquette. Now I know very well that there are so many dual citizens including in parliament. I have been abroad from 04 and around the time of the new katiba I met the late Mayor Wathika in Andover Massachusetts at a credit union with a mzee friend of his. We had a little chat about why they were so opposed to dual citizens serving in some posts and most of what he said was just fear of the fact that most Kenyans in the diaspora would be very difficult to contain. Now I assume from our previous interactions online we both have some legal education and so you would know that laws are dynamic for a reason. Some laws look good on the books but can cause an absurdity , remember ( the golden rule)your third rule on interpretation of statutes about not allowing an only heir to inherit parents they just killed? Now you saw something similar with the law telling that lady ambassador to renounce her other citizenship. If my memory serves me right there was a case by Lenaola on the same issue before. My belief is that Migunas case was just a formality but he made a big deal about it for fear of committing perjury. I will do a little homework on what the law as amended says about the issue of those who had acquired dual citizenship. You can also educate us without resorting to matusi.
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Thanks pundit. That is what I thought too but I haven't looked seriously into what the correct position is. I did a quick search and came across this article from 2018.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/opinion/article/2001270526/kenyas-dual-citizenship-law-remains-a-trap-for-the-unwary
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If Canada did not allow for dual citizenship - they would have asked Miguna to bring evidence he had renounce kenyan citizenship - Miguna would have walked to kenya embassy - signed renounciation forms - handed over all kenya assets - and walked back - and become a canadian.
After 2010 - he would have been allowed to get back his IDs and all that.
Fortunately Canada doesnt care - never asked him - so Miguna never renounced - although the old constitution in kenya disallowed dual citizenship and assumed everyone taking another citizenship would renounce it. But if they didnt - would they lose it automatically.
Would Oburu become a somalian just because Somalia gave him their passport or citizenship. NOPE. You cannot lose your birthright unless Miguna went there and signed it. He never did. He was economic or political refugeee..just like Raila and Odingas went abroad with fake passport.
Thanks pundit. That is what I thought too but I haven't looked seriously into what the correct position is. I did a quick search and came across this article from 2018.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/opinion/article/2001270526/kenyas-dual-citizenship-law-remains-a-trap-for-the-unwary
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You explained that well without insults, it’s very clear that the government needs to do everything possible to allow him in as a Kenyan citizen or come out give us an explanation as to why they are not. I am among those now suffering from Miguna fatigue, they either let him in or he goes back to Canada and wait for the next government.
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It reaches a point when one gets tired of hearing foolishness. What do you expect when the courts have unanimously stipulated that no natural born citizen can lose Kenyan citizenship by virtue of acquisition of other citizenship(s). This matter was first debated before the 2010 constitution when Kimaru J, ordered a trial within a trial to determine the matter during an election petition. One northern Kenya politician latched on to it demanding that his opponent be declared an Australian citizen and be denied his rights including a vote.
The matter was heavily debate at TOP. It was settled by Kimaru. It would reappear in court again including Kimaru's.
Now the bozo issuing a broadside against me with mockery of "genius" is one you'll imagine has an extra brain cell to at least understand and comprehend simple concepts not least a publicly over reported judgment. Yet he and others continue to repeat matters settled in law. When reluctantly accepting, they resort to logical fallacies creating suppositions and condemning Miguna using innuendo. Oh he will LIE. He will be caught lying. What lie? Ofcourse the lie about taking up dual citizenship! From the same bozo who just grudgingly accepted that multiple judgments have established Miguna as a Kenyan?
The constitution in granting rights never demanded good manners, politeness or condescension on citizen or government. It never even set personal hygiene standards. A guy like Mr. Uthamaki can approach any office stinking of muratina & belching mutura (Just like Tyrant Jomo Kenyatta liked them) and demand services. Unless there is a some mandate like the covid19 vaxx mandate, nothing else can stop Mr. Uthamaki from being served.
But he'll get his service and return here to blubber about Miguna failing to behave like a nun before a randy catholic bishop! Those are the people who expect to be treated with soft baby gloves. Not by omollo sorry.
There are matters that must disgust every serious Kenyan. No middle ground. Miguna isnt demanding to see Kibicho's (reportedly) tiny dick (we heard from multiple female student he used to bang for marks). He is asking for his rights. He's obeying court orders.
When he went to the embassy in Berlin Miguna was as well behaved as any pretentious Uthamaki pastor. He was polite. But he had to state his case.
Yet Mr. Uthamaki and the Mocker of "geniuses" found reason to blame him. There's a concerted effort to find ways to blame victim Miguna. Like 1984, Mr. Uthamaki earnestly predicts that Miguna will lie. And he expects such matusi not to attract a response! When a man hits another when he's down count on me to equalize. If you smear a fellow citizen in what you imagine is a clever way - dropping one insinuation here, an innuendo there, a supposition there etc - designed to denigrate him over time; to me those are regular matusi na utapata majibu haraka iwezekanavyo. Baradhuli hapewi heshima. Stop being a rascal and I will stop treating you as one. Mshenzi!
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It reaches a point when one gets tired of hearing foolishness. What do you expect when the courts have unanimously stipulated that no natural born citizen can lose Kenyan citizenship by virtue of acquisition of other citizenship(s). This matter was first debated before the 2010 constitution when Kimaru J, ordered a trial within a trial to determine the matter during an election petition. One northern Kenya politician latched on to it demanding that his opponent be declared an Australian citizen and be denied his rights including a vote.
The matter was heavily debate at TOP. It was settled by Kimaru. It would reappear in court again including Kimaru's.
Now the bozo issuing a broadside against me with mockery of "genius" is one you'll imagine has an extra brain cell to at least understand and comprehend simple concepts not least a publicly over reported judgment. Yet he and others continue to repeat matters settled in law. When reluctantly accepting, they resort to logical fallacies creating suppositions and condemning Miguna using innuendo. Oh he will LIE. He will be caught lying. What lie? Ofcourse the lie about taking up dual citizenship! From the same bozo who just grudgingly accepted that multiple judgments have established Miguna as a Kenyan?
The constitution in granting rights never demanded good manners, politeness or condescension on citizen or government. It never even set personal hygiene standards. A guy like Mr. Uthamaki can approach any office stinking of muratina & belching mutura (Just like Tyrant Jomo Kenyatta liked them) and demand services. Unless there is a some mandate like the covid19 vaxx mandate, nothing else can stop Mr. Uthamaki from being served.
But he'll get his service and return here to blubber about Miguna failing to behave like a nun before a randy catholic bishop! Those are the people who expect to be treated with soft baby gloves. Not by omollo sorry.
There are matters that must disgust every serious Kenyan. No middle ground. Miguna isnt demanding to see Kibicho's (reportedly) tiny dick (we heard from multiple female student he used to bang for marks). He is asking for his rights. He's obeying court orders.
When he went to the embassy in Berlin Miguna was as well behaved as any pretentious Uthamaki pastor. He was polite. But he had to state his case.
Yet Mr. Uthamaki and the Mocker of "geniuses" found reason to blame him. There's a concerted effort to find ways to blame victim Miguna. Like 1984, Mr. Uthamaki earnestly predicts that Miguna will lie. And he expects such matusi not to attract a response! When a man hits another when he's down count on me to equalize. If you smear a fellow citizen in what you imagine is a clever way - dropping one insinuation here, an innuendo there, a supposition there etc - designed to denigrate him over time; to me those are regular matusi na utapata majibu haraka iwezekanavyo. Baradhuli hapewi heshima. Stop being a rascal and I will stop treating you as one. Mshenzi!
There goes the idiot again thinking matusi makes you smart. I hope Raila keeps your kind very far away from his circle because you lack the brains to see the kind of damage you do to his brand. The mzee comes to Boston every once in a while and I can tell you for sure he looks respectable and harmless , then you are reminded by some hominid here what some unfortunate folks from his base act and you shudder to think of what they would be like under his presidency. Anyways back to the Miguna issue. Every one can see that he is a natural born citizen and all over the world one cannot lose that status unless voluntarily or very special circumstances . Now we all know that the old constitution did not allow dual citizenship but once the new constitution came into effect then those who had apparently lost Kenyan citizenship by renunciation or just by the act of acquiring another one were required to as a formality reapply to get back their passports. Now remember Miguna worked in the coalition government and assuming he had to fill some paperwork it probably asked if he had dual nationality ( just my opinion). The question then becomes did he commit perjury and that is why he has refused to as a formality do what thousands had to do because he will open himself to prosecution? An example is here in the US where it is a requirement for you to give up some things when applying for citizenship including membership in certain organizations. You don't need to prove you have done so but you are presumed to have done so when you acquire American citizenship. So I don't think Migunas citizenship is the issue here but a bureaucratic formality. Miguna doesn't want to do things that will be used against him. I was in Kenya in September and met this lady who had somehow traveled from Maryland to Kenya but her passport was expired. She was trying to convince the immigration officer to allow her in but they wouldn't. I don't know what happened of her case . Another friend of mine applied for her passport at a cyber cafe and made the mistake of putting her gender as Male. I thought it was a simple mistake that could just be rectified but she had to apply for a new passport altogether. The judge in the latest Case of Miguna said he should apply and receive his passport after meeting the requirements.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481#
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Bozo
If you are opposed to matusi won't it be a perfect starting point to not utter any? Cornel university? Is that supposed to intimidate anyone while covering over, well, your idiocy? Unlike you, I won't just call you an idiot: I'll demonstrate it and show beyond any reasonable doubt that you are an imbecile.
For starters I'm not a supporter of Raila. When you learn how to read perhaps you'll notice I've repeatedly said it. I would add that I have no desire to work for government. I didn't join the nusu mkate govt and wont join any other. Some of us abhor working for government. I don't need money or corruption money boy. I made more money than your dad will make from peddling muratina while you were a sperm (all evidence derived from your foolishness in a single post!)
Let's move on
There goes the idiot again thinking matusi makes you smart. I hope Raila keeps your kind very far away from his circle because you lack the brains to see the kind of damage you do to his brand. The mzee comes to
I don't owe Raila anything. You believe in collective shame, collective pride, collective punishment etc. I don't baba. If you choose to reject Raila do it without bothering what I did or difnt do. Don't expect Luos to be nice and well behaved towards tribal bigots in order to vote for Raila. It's a pity the post you responded to clearly states that good manners isn't prescribed in the constitution. But you go ahead and say just that!! And then speak of intelligence! My God! You must have got a scholarship and we all know how. Either you got in the "usual way - bribes and tribalism or bought exams. Otherwise how else can your stupidity be explained? Help me understand
every once in a while and I can tell you for sure he looks respectable and harmless , then you are reminded by some hominid here what some unfortunate folks from his base act and you shudder to think of what they would be like under his presidency.
You all deny that the bigotry isn't universal. Some fools believe you. But here you are making a case of a tribal presidency? You obviously are extrapolating from what you know. You are in your rotten Uthamaki mind president as well because Uhuru Kenyatta- a Kikuyu- is president. So I will be required to be of my best polite behavior especially over for GEMA as Raila does when in your homes. Sorry mate. That condescension ain't happening in your lifetime. Respect other people to earn respect.
Anyways back to the Miguna issue. Every one can see that he is a natural born citizen and all over the world one cannot lose that status unless voluntarily or very special circumstances . Now we all know that the old constitution did not allow dual citizenship but once the new constitution came into effect then those who had apparently lost Kenyan citizenship by renunciation or just by the act of acquiring another one were required to as a formality reapply to get back their passports. Now remember Miguna worked in the coalition government and assuming he had to fill some paperwork it probably asked if he had dual nationality ( just my opinion).
Do you all receive talking points from Uthamakistan? Second bozo to spread the lie. Bozo the courts have ruled that Miguna is a citizen. The immigration can't re-litigate the same in some kangaroo court. Iwinjo? He's a citizen and if they had the document you refer to be sure they'd have loved ton brandish it in court. Note that the right place to brandish it would be in any of the 5 court sessions. So what you are doing is boxing Miguna with innuendo and silly suppositions. Shame on your Uthamaki ass.
The question then becomes did he commit perjury and that is why he has refused to as a formality do what thousands had to do because he will open himself to prosecution? An example is here in the US where it is a requirement for you to give up some things when applying for citizenship including membership in certain organizations. You don't need to prove you have done so but you are presumed to have done so when you acquire American citizenship. So I don't think Migunas citizenship is the issue here but a bureaucratic formality.
You spread a rumor despite evidence that it is untrue. You make innuendos. Then you go "Miguna's citizenship is not the issue". Pundit explained somewhere below in simple terms so even a bozo without a second brain cell could comprehend. But you keep on about renunciation which state lawyers admitted never happened. What happened to reading? Can't you at least read one judgment? There are 6. Why repeat crap already ruled dead?
Miguna doesn't want to do things that will be used against him. I was in Kenya in September and met this lady who had somehow traveled from Maryland to Kenya but her passport was expired. She was trying to convince the immigration officer to allow her in but they wouldn't. I don't know what happened of her case . Another friend of mine applied for her passport at a cyber cafe and made the mistake of putting her gender as Male. I thought it was a simple mistake that could just be rectified but she had to apply for a new passport altogether.
The judge in the latest Case of Miguna said he should apply and receive his passport after meeting the requirements.
The cases you cite bear no affinity to the Miguna case. You are continuing with innuendo. Miguna has not concealed anything. His passport perforated by Kibicho stated he was male and it wasn't expired. Zero relevance but introduced to insinuate some illegality by Miguna and your stupid way of " defending" injustice by your government (remember you wanted me to act as well as Raila for the sake of "our" government)
You are ignorant. You can't read and you can't reason. Next time you want to insult someone pick on a fellow imbecile. You are also a rumor monger
Do not challenge a shark to a swimming contest in the sea. Baradhuli
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481#
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Bozo
If you are opposed to matusi won't it be a perfect starting point to not utter any? Cornel university? Is that supposed to intimidate anyone while covering over, well, your idiocy? Unlike you, I won't just call you an idiot: I'll demonstrate it and show beyond any reasonable doubt that you are an imbecile.
For starters I'm not a supporter of Raila. When you learn how to read perhaps you'll notice I've repeatedly said it. I would add that I have no desire to work for government. I didn't join the nusu mkate govt and wont join any other. Some of us abhor working for government. I don't need money or corruption money boy. I made more money than your dad will make from peddling muratina while you were a sperm (all evidence derived from your foolishness in a single post!)
Let's move on
There goes the idiot again thinking matusi makes you smart. I hope Raila keeps your kind very far away from his circle because you lack the brains to see the kind of damage you do to his brand. The mzee comes to
I don't owe Raila anything. You believe in collective shame, collective pride, collective punishment etc. I don't baba. If you choose to reject Raila do it without bothering what I did or difnt do. Don't expect Luos to be nice and well behaved towards tribal bigots in order to vote for Raila. It's a pity the post you responded to clearly states that good manners isn't prescribed in the constitution. But you go ahead and say just that!! And then speak of intelligence! My God! You must have got a scholarship and we all know how. Either you got in the "usual way - bribes and tribalism or bought exams. Otherwise how else can your stupidity be explained? Help me understand
every once in a while and I can tell you for sure he looks respectable and harmless , then you are reminded by some hominid here what some unfortunate folks from his base act and you shudder to think of what they would be like under his presidency.
You all deny that the bigotry isn't universal. Some fools believe you. But here you are making a case of a tribal presidency? You obviously are extrapolating from what you know. You are in your rotten Uthamaki mind president as well because Uhuru Kenyatta- a Kikuyu- is president. So I will be required to be of my best polite behavior especially over for GEMA as Raila does when in your homes. Sorry mate. That condescension ain't happening in your lifetime. Respect other people to earn respect.
Anyways back to the Miguna issue. Every one can see that he is a natural born citizen and all over the world one cannot lose that status unless voluntarily or very special circumstances . Now we all know that the old constitution did not allow dual citizenship but once the new constitution came into effect then those who had apparently lost Kenyan citizenship by renunciation or just by the act of acquiring another one were required to as a formality reapply to get back their passports. Now remember Miguna worked in the coalition government and assuming he had to fill some paperwork it probably asked if he had dual nationality ( just my opinion).
Do you all receive talking points from Uthamakistan? Second bozo to spread the lie. Bozo the courts have ruled that Miguna is a citizen. The immigration can't re-litigate the same in some kangaroo court. Iwinjo? He's a citizen and if they had the document you refer to be sure they'd have loved ton brandish it in court. Note that the right place to brandish it would be in any of the 5 court sessions. So what you are doing is boxing Miguna with innuendo and silly suppositions. Shame on your Uthamaki ass.
The question then becomes did he commit perjury and that is why he has refused to as a formality do what thousands had to do because he will open himself to prosecution? An example is here in the US where it is a requirement for you to give up some things when applying for citizenship including membership in certain organizations. You don't need to prove you have done so but you are presumed to have done so when you acquire American citizenship. So I don't think Migunas citizenship is the issue here but a bureaucratic formality.
You spread a rumor despite evidence that it is untrue. You make innuendos. Then you go "Miguna's citizenship is not the issue". Pundit explained somewhere below in simple terms so even a bozo without a second brain cell could comprehend. But you keep on about renunciation which state lawyers admitted never happened. What happened to reading? Can't you at least read one judgment? There are 6. Why repeat crap already ruled dead?
Miguna doesn't want to do things that will be used against him. I was in Kenya in September and met this lady who had somehow traveled from Maryland to Kenya but her passport was expired. She was trying to convince the immigration officer to allow her in but they wouldn't. I don't know what happened of her case . Another friend of mine applied for her passport at a cyber cafe and made the mistake of putting her gender as Male. I thought it was a simple mistake that could just be rectified but she had to apply for a new passport altogether.
The judge in the latest Case of Miguna said he should apply and receive his passport after meeting the requirements.
The cases you cite bear no affinity to the Miguna case. You are continuing with innuendo. Miguna has not concealed anything. His passport perforated by Kibicho stated he was male and it wasn't expired. Zero relevance but introduced to insinuate some illegality by Miguna and your stupid way of " defending" injustice by your government (remember you wanted me to act as well as Raila for the sake of "our" government)
You are ignorant. You can't read and you can't reason. Next time you want to insult someone pick on a fellow imbecile. You are also a rumor monger
Do not challenge a shark to a swimming contest in the sea. Baradhuli
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481#
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An idiot who does not believe in collective..but is here calling people names with a clear insinuation of the same collective he abhors. Total imbecile. Now trying to impress me with your money made from wherever ...really? You think I care if you scratch your balls to make money. That stuff try impress your village sir. I posted that article only to show examples of how one might lose natural citizenship but again your big brain that stretches all the way to your ass can't think beyond a simple fact. The examples I gave are a demonstration of what I called bureaucratic formalities that are a nuisance but legal and yes I believe that is what is being used against Miguna. Now if that big brain of yours could reason it would have told you that the lady with an expired passport to anyone else not an immigration officer should have been allowed in but unfortunately there is a process for addressing that. I suggest you get examined to ascertain if you really have a human brain or one acquired swimming with whatever creature in the so called ocean.
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It all adds up.. ?s=21
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Now truth emerges and motivation to make Miguna apply. Even if a drunk man renounces signs papers he can not lose citizenship by birth. Miguna know something critics dont know. Court understood his predicament. Uhuru has nothing gained keeping Miguna away neither does Raila let him come home.
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It all adds up.. ?s=21
I think they are trying to trick Miguna into incriminating himself. The issue is not so much as to whether he lost his citizenship when he acquired Canadian citizenship but rather if he knowingly lied through omission or commission when he obtained his documents back when the law required him to renounce his Canadian citizenship . Remember He worked in the coalition government when the law did not allow dual citizenship. Even the court agreed with the state that there were substantial questions in the appeal.
https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzania/news/africa/big-win-for-miguna-miguna-in-case-over-deportation-3427860
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A fool insinuates that you want a government job. You respond to the outrageous allegation by pointing out unlike him you need no government job. The fool claims you are trying to impress him.
Fool says Luos must be nice to Kikuyus or Raila won't get their votes. I defy that telling him to stuff it in his Uthamaki asshole. He says I must believe in collective shame because he believes it!
The fool claims to hate insults: you can't count how many he threw.
He is against Miguna not least because Miguna is a Luo and not known to be polite; but is pretending to support him while posting stuff that effectively become an attempt to reopen the cases.
He has latched on to "perjury". That is a talking point from Uthamakistan. It is full of innuendo and based on suppositions. But he treats it as confirmed and accepted truths. While still pretending to support Miguna.
He insists that the examples of passport issues - one from his Malaya sister with thin legs and a gargantuan ass - are relevant because he says Miguna is a victim of bureaucracy. Remember that is his invention based on recycling matters settled by the courts such as the main question is Miguna as citizen of Kenya? Did Miguna renounce his citizenship. Bozo reads his talking points and creates fake scenarios. You can say it's all harmless since anybody can conjure scenarios and he is just saying maybe Miguna signed papers to renounce something.
But look closely at the stupidity. If the issue of Canadian citizenship ever arose and Miguna signed papers renouncing something common sense should tell Bozo that the citizenship to be renounced would be Canadian. If that happened then it strengthens Miguna's case. But remember this very issue is settled. Any person reviving it is working for the state of Kenya
Bozo earlier went on narrating how he was asked to quit organizations and the Akorino sect etc when he became a US citizen (who now travels on Kenya passport to skip paying $50 to finance the Kenyattas). That he creates the impression is what occured with Miguna! So if bozo shits the whole world shits!
Canada is a different country. It didn't require renunciation. But bozo is under instructions to spread the lie.
An idiot who does not believe in collective..but is here calling people names with a clear insinuation of the same collective he abhors.
I have called you names and believe you me I'm not done with you. As long as you choose to lie and imagine you are superior I will work to cut you to size boy.
Total imbecile. Now trying to impress me with your money made from wherever ...really? You think I care if you scratch your balls to make money. That stuff try impress your village sir.
You seem hurt that I'm unlikely to beg for an Uthamaki job or tender? Next time you don't want someone to tell you he doesn't need an Uthamaki job, don't insinuate that he needs it! That way nobody will tell you unpleasant stuff like he's ok and can afford to fight your kleptocracy
I posted that article only to show examples of how one might lose natural citizenship but again your big brain that stretches all the way to your ass can't think beyond a simple fact.
actually I did wonder if you had it altogether Don Quixote? The article would've been relevant in 2009. The matter of Miguna's citizenship is settled. Bureaucracy is your invention.
The examples I gave are a demonstration of what I called bureaucratic formalities that are a nuisance but legal and yes I believe that is what is being used against Miguna. Now if that big brain of yours could reason it would have told you that the lady with an expired passport to anyone else not an immigration officer should have been allowed in but unfortunately there is a process for addressing that. I suggest you get examined to ascertain if you really have a human brain or one acquired swimming with whatever creature in the so called ocean.
Bozo
1. I made it clear the examples were irrelevant - including the one with your malaya sister. Miguna's passport was illegally perforated and can therefore not be presented to an immigration official
2. The staff as the Berlin embassy clearly told Miguna that he couldn't get a passport as ordered by the courts because they got instructions from "above not to issue one. That is NOT bureaucracy but uthamaki politics. But you are determined to spread the bureaucracy lie.
Uthamaki is spreading the following lies
1. Miguna renounced his citizenship and must therefore reapply for a passport (NOT TRUE)
2. Miguna declared that he wasn't a Canadian citizen when he took a state job & therefore is afraid of perjury. (UNINTELLIGENT LIE)
3. Miguna is rude and therefore he can't be served
Lastly what collective insult have I labeled on Kikuyus? Be the first person in 25 years to shame Omollo by for once specifying the collective insult he hit Kikuyus with. You can do that, can't you? You have severally claimed I've done it only I didn't see the specific insult just the claim
Kijana mamako alilamba mboro huko mathare ndipo usome. Use the education for good not kicking Miguna while he's down
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Long story short. Nearly 10 judges have heard all these arguments in various cases...Miguna Miguna has won nearly all of them. It's just simple. Obey court orders. Or appeal them.
This kind of clear cut impunity will be used against Matiangi and Kibicho in the near future - to get them fired and tried in same court.
They will be panicking like the stupid DCI poodle Kinoti is now.
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A fool insinuates that you want a government job. You respond to the outrageous allegation by pointing out unlike him you need no government job. The fool claims you are trying to impress him.
Fool says Luos must be nice to Kikuyus or Raila won't get their votes. I defy that telling him to stuff it in his Uthamaki asshole. He says I must believe in collective shame because he believes it!
The fool claims to hate insults: you can't count how many he threw.
He is against Miguna not least because Miguna is a Luo and not known to be polite; but is pretending to support him while posting stuff that effectively become an attempt to reopen the cases.
He has latched on to "perjury". That is a talking point from Uthamakistan. It is full of innuendo and based on suppositions. But he treats it as confirmed and accepted truths. While still pretending to support Miguna.
He insists that the examples of passport issues - one from his Malaya sister with thin legs and a gargantuan ass - are relevant because he says Miguna is a victim of bureaucracy. Remember that is his invention based on recycling matters settled by the courts such as the main question is Miguna as citizen of Kenya? Did Miguna renounce his citizenship. Bozo reads his talking points and creates fake scenarios. You can say it's all harmless since anybody can conjure scenarios and he is just saying maybe Miguna signed papers to renounce something.
But look closely at the stupidity. If the issue of Canadian citizenship ever arose and Miguna signed papers renouncing something common sense should tell Bozo that the citizenship to be renounced would be Canadian. If that happened then it strengthens Miguna's case. But remember this very issue is settled. Any person reviving it is working for the state of Kenya
Bozo earlier went on narrating how he was asked to quit organizations and the Akorino sect etc when he became a US citizen (who now travels on Kenya passport to skip paying $50 to finance the Kenyattas). That he creates the impression is what occured with Miguna! So if bozo shits the whole world shits!
Canada is a different country. It didn't require renunciation. But bozo is under instructions to spread the lie.
An idiot who does not believe in collective..but is here calling people names with a clear insinuation of the same collective he abhors.
I have called you names and believe you me I'm not done with you. As long as you choose to lie and imagine you are superior I will work to cut you to size boy.
Total imbecile. Now trying to impress me with your money made from wherever ...really? You think I care if you scratch your balls to make money. That stuff try impress your village sir.
You seem hurt that I'm unlikely to beg for an Uthamaki job or tender? Next time you don't want someone to tell you he doesn't need an Uthamaki job, don't insinuate that he needs it! That way nobody will tell you unpleasant stuff like he's ok and can afford to fight your kleptocracy
I posted that article only to show examples of how one might lose natural citizenship but again your big brain that stretches all the way to your ass can't think beyond a simple fact.
actually I did wonder if you had it altogether Don Quixote? The article would've been relevant in 2009. The matter of Miguna's citizenship is settled. Bureaucracy is your invention.
The examples I gave are a demonstration of what I called bureaucratic formalities that are a nuisance but legal and yes I believe that is what is being used against Miguna. Now if that big brain of yours could reason it would have told you that the lady with an expired passport to anyone else not an immigration officer should have been allowed in but unfortunately there is a process for addressing that. I suggest you get examined to ascertain if you really have a human brain or one acquired swimming with whatever creature in the so called ocean.
Bozo
1. I made it clear the examples were irrelevant - including the one with your malaya sister. Miguna's passport was illegally perforated and can therefore not be presented to an immigration official
2. The staff as the Berlin embassy clearly told Miguna that he couldn't get a passport as ordered by the courts because they got instructions from "above not to issue one. That is NOT bureaucracy but uthamaki politics. But you are determined to spread the bureaucracy lie.
Uthamaki is spreading the following lies
1. Miguna renounced his citizenship and must therefore reapply for a passport (NOT TRUE)
2. Miguna declared that he wasn't a Canadian citizen when he took a state job & therefore is afraid of perjury. (UNINTELLIGENT LIE)
3. Miguna is rude and therefore he can't be served
Lastly what collective insult have I labeled on Kikuyus? Be the first person in 25 years to shame Omollo by for once specifying the collective insult he hit Kikuyus with. You can do that, can't you? You have severally claimed I've done it only I didn't see the specific insult just the claim
Kijana mamako alilamba mboro huko mathare ndipo usome. Use the education for good not kicking Miguna while he's down
Dude you clearly have a problem called projection, a defense mechanism attributed to people with narcissistic or borderline personality disorder. You need to seek medical help not project your insecurities or life experiences on people you disagree with especially when challenged. Now if you had a semblance of a brain you would have realized that you are the one who brought the issue of money here and for your information that stuff doesn't impress 95% of folks in diaspora. You can have your money, big house , cars in Kenya etc but a person living in the developed world cares less about that stuff. The simple reason is that they have access to all the luxury you have at a fraction. Only people who lack access are fascinated by talk of material stuff. Now the Miguna issue should not make you display your ugly fangs because its not as big an issue as you think. His citizenship is not in question but for some simple formality from my perspective. Maybe on those immigration papers there's a question on when he became a Canadian citizen and answering it puts him in trouble for when he worked in the coalition government or applied for his passport that was taken away. You seem to know everything so tell us why he couldn't get his new documents after the latest court said so. Now you can tell us without matusi. I cant think of any valid reason why getting his documents is such a big deal anymore unless there's something both parties are not telling us.
Happy thanksgiving
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First of all, the latest news is that the Uthamaki government has lifted red alerts which have been preventing Miguna to travel. So go slow on your bureaucracy LIES.
secondly I've been meaning to raise the psychological projection problem as clearly evident in your posts:
1. You insinuate that I want a job in Raila's Stooge government. But it turns out you're the one loitering in Boston trying to lick Raila's ass obviously so you get a job
2. You give examples of your sister and create the LIE that Miguna is blocked by bureaucracy. Why would you LIE? It's a variation of projection. You are in exactly the same situation as Miguna but are using creativity to "deny it".
I could go on for ever.
But see how your being told I'm not a poor man as you expected a Luo to be has rubbed you the wrong way. You've written a lot to denigrate it! 😂😂😂😂. Not only Kikuyus are rich bro.
I live where I want bro. I worked for that freedom. You want it stop throwing insults at me and perhaps you'll learn something. Learn that Uthamaki is what is ruining you and the good Kikuyu people.
Btw do you recall that it is YOU who caused me to talk about my wealth? So how come you now claim I'm brandishing it? If you claim that I want a job from Raila's Stooge Govt don't you expect me to refute? Why are you hurting? Because I don't fit your stereotype of a Luo? 😂😂😂🤣
You are asking me to tell you why the latest court order wasn't obeyed? Boy, go to Twitter, access @MigunaMiguna and scroll down. You'll find videos of what transpired at the embassy. Once you watch feel ashamed for spreading lies.
In fact if I'd known you hadn't seen the videos I'd never have wasted time on you. Note that i thoroughly explained it as did Pundit and others. But you don't read. I suspect you are the No Balls Haha idiot using this handle. You share the same foolishness.
You're full of hate. You can't hide it.
Btw I'm still waiting for the "collective" insults I allegedly threw at Kikuyus.
I've not included matusi because you mentioned its Thanksgiving. Don't write anything tendentious in future though.
Dude you clearly have a problem called projection, a defense mechanism attributed to people with narcissistic or borderline personality disorder. You need to seek medical help not project your insecurities or life experiences on people you disagree with especially when challenged. Now if you had a semblance of a brain you would have realized that you are the one who brought the issue of money here and for your information that stuff doesn't impress 95% of folks in diaspora. You can have your money, big house , cars in Kenya etc but a person living in the developed world cares less about that stuff. The simple reason is that they have access to all the luxury you have at a fraction. Only people who lack access are fascinated by talk of material stuff. Now the Miguna issue should not make you display your ugly fangs because its not as big an issue as you think. His citizenship is not in question but for some simple formality from my perspective. Maybe on those immigration papers there's a question on when he became a Canadian citizen and answering it puts him in trouble for when he worked in the coalition government or applied for his passport that was taken away. You seem to know everything so tell us why he couldn't get his new documents after the latest court said so. Now you can tell us without matusi. I cant think of any valid reason why getting his documents is such a big deal anymore unless there's something both parties are not telling us.
Happy thanksgiving