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Title: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2021, 10:50:19 PM
Very smooth move from Uhuru :) Go sell yourself - how know? After 4yrs of Raila to be taken to Mt kenya next month? Next month never came

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-08-30-the-news-brief-why-uhuru-reluctant-to-lead-raila-campaigns-in-mt-kenya/

Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
Jana alikosa wateja - sasa atatoa wapi. Used and dumped like tissue paper
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-DpPw1X0AYXqhs?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2021, 11:04:54 PM
The next to go is Tuju and Murathe having completed their assignment. Playing AJUA moves in a chess board. WYSISWYG
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-08-30-jubilee-tuju-murathe-living-on-borrowed-time/
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2021, 11:55:28 PM
Jubilee SG Raphael Tuju's Security Withdrawn Just Days After President Uhuru Kenyatta Approved His Removal From the Party. Used and dumped.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: vooke on August 31, 2021, 01:00:58 AM
Murathe is a thief, stole for himself and has been carting Uhunye billions to Middle East


Tuju, nobody knows about him, but he does not come across as one.

Iko chida unless all this is staged to hoodwink
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on August 31, 2021, 02:59:09 AM
Jubilee SG Raphael Tuju's Security Withdrawn Just Days After President Uhuru Kenyatta Approved His Removal From the Party. Used and dumped.

To be fair Uhunye has used and dumped everyone at this point, ama?

Nani safi kama pamba anymore?

Raila has gone full uthamaki last few days, Luto has all but become a Kiuk.

Who is fighting for the interests of the rest of the country?

We are doomed.





Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on August 31, 2021, 07:04:36 AM
Jubilee SG Raphael Tuju's Security Withdrawn Just Days After President Uhuru Kenyatta Approved His Removal From the Party. Used and dumped.

To be fair Uhunye has used and dumped everyone at this point, ama?

Nani safi kama pamba anymore?

Raila has gone full uthamaki last few days, Luto has all but become a Kiuk.

Who is fighting for the interests of the rest of the country?

We are doomed.
Kenya is never doomed as long as they elect the DP. The man is a workaholic, honest, and will go above and beyond to economically bring Kenya to another level NEVER seen. As soon as he is elected, he will vet his close lieutenants and bring only integrity-driven performing professionals to build independent, strong government institutions, invest locally, and strangle corruption within a year. Based on what I know about him, he will outperform Kibaki about 10 times if he gets an opportunity to serve 10 years. He is a well-organized planner, hates failure, and continuously improves each day.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 08:05:27 AM
I also agree with RVHH.Ruto will transform Kenya the way kagame or meles or museveni did their countries by getting the public sector to work
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on August 31, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
Kenya is never doomed as long as they elect the DP. The man is a workaholic, honest, and will go above and beyond to economically bring Kenya to another level NEVER seen. As soon as he is elected, he will vet his close lieutenants and bring only integrity-driven performing professionals to build independent, strong government institutions, invest locally, and strangle corruption within a year. Based on what I know about him, he will outperform Kibaki about 10 times if he gets an opportunity to serve 10 years. He is a well-organized planner, hates failure, and continuously improves each day.

 :grin:

Heavy shitting right there!
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: hk on August 31, 2021, 03:14:16 PM
I also agree with RVHH.Ruto will transform Kenya the way kagame or meles or museveni did their countries by getting the public sector to work
With half of the government the guy appointed such performers as Echesa, keter, kandie, felix kosgeys etc.  are those some of his trusted performing professionals?
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 04:03:55 PM
What would be your ideal appointment? Proffesors and Phds?

Echeza is young go-getter who rose from poverty of Mumias to become ODM national youth chair and very effective political player - who later switched to Jubilee.

“When Rashid puts his mind into doing something, nobody stops him. We have to admit that he is determined and gets what he wants,” says Werimo.

What do you need policy wonks or Implementers?

I believe once the policy wonks like Dr Ndii have come up with policy - you need likes of Ruto, Echeza and guys who GET SHIET DONE.

Kenya is in doldrums because you have a lot of theorizing folks.

Look at Jubilee 2.0 - failing to do anything they set out - because the cabinet is full of lazy bums - just churning out reports and theories.

Nobody willing to get out of their cozy red-carpeted offices in Nairobi and move things.

I believe Ruto will hire guys who just get things done - no excuses - no sijui masomo mingi - we need to build houses - no more thinking - build them. The next thinking will happen in 2027 for new manifesto....

This is what Ethiopia did under Meles - 5yr plan - then implement it.
China does this - 5yr plan - then DO IT.

No daily theories. No long English with daily planning and theorizing FAILURES. We have a plan we stick with it and execut
e it.

With half of the government the guy appointed such performers as Echesa, keter, kandie, felix kosgeys etc.  are those some of his trusted performing professionals?
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: hk on August 31, 2021, 04:26:07 PM
What would be your ideal appointment? Proffesors and Phds?

Echeza is young go-getter who rose from poverty of Mumias to become ODM national youth chair and very effective political player - who later switched to Jubilee.

“When Rashid puts his mind into doing something, nobody stops him. We have to admit that he is determined and gets what he wants,” says Werimo.

What do you need policy wonks or Implementers?

I believe once the policy wonks like Dr Ndii have come up with policy - you need likes of Ruto, Echeza and guys who GET SHIET DONE.

Kenya is in doldrums because you have a lot of theorizing folks.

Look at Jubilee 2.0 - failing to do anything they set out - because the cabinet is full of lazy bums - just churning out reports and theories.

Nobody willing to get out of their cozy red-carpeted Nairobi and move things.

With half of the government the guy appointed such performers as Echesa, keter, kandie, felix kosgeys etc.  are those some of his trusted performing professionals?
The work of a CS is to both create policy and implementation underpinned by the overall ideology of the government. If the government is free market oriented the policies should reflect that. It's not about qualifications, its lack of meaningful accomplishment as CS.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 04:34:00 PM
Now that explain why kenya has not developed.
We hire people who create tonnes of policy and implementation - becomes a  problem
Every year new policy and plan come up - some that contradict last year.

Echeza was never allowed to work - and I dont think he was any worse than current CS of Sports.

We need to stop doing policy and planning every year.

We have planning once every 5yrs - and next 5yrs - we stick with the plan - and get it done.

The only thinking we need is now - Ndii amaliza kazi - and he comes 5yrs later - to evaluate - and come up with a new plan. In the meantime Ruto and Echeza crush balls and remove any obstacle on the roadmap. No more thinking - Ndii has thought everything.

if the plan is so fickle to last few months - then we don't need it

People in kenya who achieve much - Michukis, Nyachaes, Rutos -  do not spend time creating policy - they spend time doing it - very simple stuff - nothing overly complicated - common sense.

Pray what is there to think about agrarian economy?

Countries that developed like Chile - hired Ndiis - to come up with a brilliant plan - and then proceed to get it done. Ndii should spend this year and next coming with bullet proof plan - and then he should disappear until 2027 - to  come up with another 5yr plan. if that one failed - let it fail - like interest rate caping - after being implemented in sufficient time.

Ndii plan should be dumped down for Echeza to understand and execute...without even knowing what he is trying to achieve...Echeza job should be simple....assemble Boda Boda all over the country into SACCOS for example .

Why and how all that SACCO will bla bla macro- and micro-economics - Echeza doesnt need to know. He just need to know that Monday I am in Mombasa getting all Boda Boda organized into Saccos. Tuesday I am in Kisumu doing the same. Thursday I am in Nyeri. Plan 001 done. Then he open the next page...all Boda Boda should wear uniform....he make sure that happen.

Then he moves on to Hawkers and Mama Mboga - then he moves on to Fisherman - and herders.

The work of a CS is to both create policy and implementation underpinned by the overall ideology of the government. If the government is free market oriented the policies should reflect that. It's not about qualifications, its lack of meaningful accomplishment as CS.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: hk on August 31, 2021, 04:51:06 PM
Now that explain why kenya has not developed.
We hire people who create tonnes of policy and implementation - becomes a  problem
Every year new policy and plan come up - some that contradict last year.

Echeza was never allowed to work - and I dont think he was any worse than current CS of Sports.

We need to stop doing policy and planning every year.

We have planning once every 5yrs - and next 5yrs - we stick with the plan - and get it done.

The only thinking we need is now - Ndii amaliza kazi - and he comes 5yrs later - to evaluate - and come up with a new plan. In the meantime Ruto and Echeza crush balls and remove any obstacle on the roadmap. No more thinking - Ndii has thought everything.

if the plan is so fickle to last few months - then we don't need it

People in kenya who achieve much - Michukis, Nyachaes, Rutos -  do not spend time creating policy - they spend time doing it - very simple stuff - nothing overly complicated - common sense.

Pray what is there to think about agrarian economy?

The work of a CS is to both create policy and implementation underpinned by the overall ideology of the government. If the government is free market oriented the policies should reflect that. It's not about qualifications, its lack of meaningful accomplishment as CS.
There's no country in the world that has development without production or provision of services either for local or export market. Therein lies our problem, the focus should be on production and provision of services. How to produce has been our problem. Is keter, was kandie or felix being hampered from doing their Job?
Agrarian economy needs to improve productivity to develop, Kenya (agriculture) productivity has stagnated or declined from the 70s., that's our main problem.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 04:55:15 PM
Again you do not understand. Ruto is NOT applying for private sector job. He is applying for public sector job.

Countries that have developed are mostly military dictatorship like Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda (for three relative to almost starting from zero), China, Singapore, South Korea, USSR, name them. Look at India and Kenya - dysfunctional democracies - where everyone is an expert on everything - and nobody does anything - just flapping gums with long theories on TV shows.

The reason is simple - once you have a plan - that has thought about all those economic theories - then you follow the plan - you dont start theorizing failures

The problem is not Keter or Echeza - the problem is Uhuru.

Under Ruto there will be nonsense dictatorship in gov sector - you get the job done - or go home. People like Echeza will be tasked with getting stuff done - no question asked. If the plan is to build 2 million houses - 2 million houses will get build. That is the order Echeza will follow and deliver.

It is why in military or police D- Minus make very good cops. Follow the order. Only the commander has the plan and the strategies - your job is to follow specific actionable orders - shoot - stop shooting.

After Ndii has come up with the plan using his oxbridge brain - Ruto will follow the plan - get it done.

It's Ndii job to work about productivity, bla bla bla into ACTIONABLE PLANS that Echeza and Mama Mboga can understand - productivity he can come and calculate annually - but the plan should run the course.

Kagame or Meles hires such economist - and pays them - and off they go - they get 5yr plan - and it's execution time now - no more theories - no explaining why we are doing it - we are doing it because the plan say we need to do it


There's no country in the world that has development without production or provision of services either for local or export market. Therein lies our problem, the focus should be on production and provision of services. How to produce has been our problem. Is keter, was kandie or felix being hampered from doing their Job?
Agrarian economy needs to improve productivity to develop, Kenya (agriculture) productivity has stagnated or declined from the 70s., that's our main problem.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 31, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
Thats exactly how Stalin transformed Soviet Union from an Agrarian state  to an Industrialized one. Actually through 5 yeara plan.
His only task was to ensure the plan was executed  including executing anyone who was an impediment to actualization of the plans.


Now that explain why kenya has not developed.
We hire people who create tonnes of policy and implementation - becomes a  problem
Every year new policy and plan come up - some that contradict last year.

Echeza was never allowed to work - and I dont think he was any worse than current CS of Sports.

We need to stop doing policy and planning every year.

We have planning once every 5yrs - and next 5yrs - we stick with the plan - and get it done.

The only thinking we need is now - Ndii amaliza kazi - and he comes 5yrs later - to evaluate - and come up with a new plan. In the meantime Ruto and Echeza crush balls and remove any obstacle on the roadmap. No more thinking - Ndii has thought everything.

if the plan is so fickle to last few months - then we don't need it

People in kenya who achieve much - Michukis, Nyachaes, Rutos -  do not spend time creating policy - they spend time doing it - very simple stuff - nothing overly complicated - common sense.

Pray what is there to think about agrarian economy?

Countries that developed like Chile - hired Ndiis - to come up with a brilliant plan - and then proceed to get it done. Ndii should spend this year and next coming with bullet proof plan - and then he should disappear until 2027 - to  come up with another 5yr plan. if that one failed - let it fail - like interest rate caping - after being implemented in sufficient time.

Ndii plan should be dumped down for Echeza to understand and execute...without even knowing what he is trying to achieve...Echeza job should be simple....assemble Boda Boda all over the country into SACCOS for example .

Why and how all that SACCO will bla bla macro- and micro-economics - Echeza doesnt need to know. He just need to know that Monday I am in Mombasa getting all Boda Boda organized into Saccos. Tuesday I am in Kisumu doing the same. Thursday I am in Nyeri. Plan 001 done. Then he open the next page...all Boda Boda should wear uniform....he make sure that happen.

Then he moves on to Hawkers and Mama Mboga - then he moves on to Fisherman - and herders.

The work of a CS is to both create policy and implementation underpinned by the overall ideology of the government. If the government is free market oriented the policies should reflect that. It's not about qualifications, its lack of meaningful accomplishment as CS.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 05:01:29 PM
Chile, China, South Korea, Singapore, name them. As long as you have a pretty good plan. The next phase should be getting it done or I finish you. Ruto is very good in that. Michuki and Nyachae too. Matiangi is - but he was given too big a job. He doesn't have the political skills. This is why you need Ruto - who then hire Echeza, Matiangis
Thats exactly how Stalin transformed Soviet Union from an Agrarian state  to an Industrialized one. Actually through 5 yeara plan.
His only task was to ensure the plan was executed  including executing anyone who was an impediment to actualization of the plans.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
Or worse example Tanzania - everyone is just flapping gums - it has no corruption - no tribalism - but it's just poor - because nobody does anything - just flapping gum.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 31, 2021, 05:25:50 PM


If it wasnt for Stalin Zeal in implimenting the 5 years plan they would have been crushed by Germany in WW2.
Amongst the Bolsheviks he and Kalin were looked down upon by their collegues but when it came to executing things he was best of the best. From politics of inheriting Lenin , chasing away Trotsky , revolusionizing Soviet Economy to Industrializing Soviet union and also winnining World War.


Chile, China, South Korea, Singapore, name them. As long as you have a pretty good plan. The next phase should be getting it done or I finish you. Ruto is very good in that. Michuki and Nyachae too. Matiangi is - but he was given too big a job. He doesn't have the political skills. This is why you need Ruto - who then hire Echeza, Matiangis
Thats exactly how Stalin transformed Soviet Union from an Agrarian state  to an Industrialized one. Actually through 5 yeara plan.
His only task was to ensure the plan was executed  including executing anyone who was an impediment to actualization of the plans.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 05:28:35 PM
Most countries that developed fast; had a good plan and a dictator who was willing to follow the plan. Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Chile, name them. Once you have developed - then you can afford democracy. US and West do not want acknowledge that POVERTY is worse than dictatorship. That fighting poverty should be top issue...not democracy. What democracy can you have in a sea of poverty? After everyone is now well off - you can have your democracy. Equality of vote will come only when country has large middle class. Otherwise you have dysfunctional democracy like kenya - where Uhuru or Gideon moi or Raila - can buy PORK.
If it wasnt for Stalin Zeal in implimenting the 5 years plan they would have been crushed by Germany in WW2.
Amongst the Bolsheviks he and Kalin were looked down upon by their collegues but when it came to executing things he was best of the best. From politics of inheriting Lenin , chasing away Trotsky , revolusionizing Soviet Economy to Industrializing Soviet union and also winnining World War.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on August 31, 2021, 05:32:13 PM
Again you do not understand. Ruto is NOT applying for private sector job. He is applying for public sector job.

Countries that have developed are mostly military dictatorship like Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda (for three relative to almost starting from zero), China, Singapore, South Korea, USSR, name them. Look at India and Kenya - dysfunctional democracies - where everyone is an expert on everything - and nobody does anything - just flapping gums with long theories on TV shows.

The reason is simple - once you have a plan - that has thought about all those economic theories - then you follow the plan - you dont start theorizing failures

The problem is not Keter or Echeza - the problem is Uhuru.

Under Ruto there will be nonsense dictatorship in gov sector - you get the job done - or go home. People like Echeza will be tasked with getting stuff done - no question asked. If the plan is to build 2 million houses - 2 million houses will get build. That is the order Echeza will follow and deliver.

It is why in military or police D- Minus make very good cops. Follow the order. Only the commander has the plan and the strategies - your job is to follow specific actionable orders - shoot - stop shooting.

After Ndii has come up with the plan using his oxbridge brain - Ruto will follow the plan - get it done.

It's Ndii job to work about productivity, bla bla bla into ACTIONABLE PLANS that Echeza and Mama Mboga can understand - productivity he can come and calculate annually - but the plan should run the course.

Kagame or Meles hires such economist - and pays them - and off they go - they get 5yr plan - and it's execution time now - no more theories - no explaining why we are doing it - we are doing it because the plan say we need to do it

There you have it folks, in plain English, as clear as can be, he is endorsing dictatorship. Despite his protestations there is no doubt this guy is connected to the Ruto campaign ala Itumbi. So when he calls for dictatorship better believe that is where Luto's inclinations are.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
These have been my views for last 20yrs. Please use the search function. Even when Ruto was not running for PORK. I have never hidden my admiration for Meles or Kagame or Museveni. Or Pinochet or Suharto or China dictatorship. Not for their dictatorship - but for lifting millions out of poverty. Dictatorship is bad...but we need NONSENSE Leadership like Ruto...to COMPLETELY turn around the economy and lift millions out of poverty.
There you have it folks, in plain English, as clear as can be, he is endorsing dictatorship. Despite his protestations there is no doubt this guy is connected to the Ruto campaign ala Itumbi. So when he calls for dictatorship better believe that is where Luto's inclinations are.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on August 31, 2021, 05:40:20 PM
These have been my views for last 20yrs. Please use the search function. Even when Ruto was not running for PORK.

Then why are you demanding free and fair democratic elections?  :D You don't believe in democracy anyways, you just want your favorite dictator to be elected so he can lord over us in peace?  8)

Who gave you mandate to rule over us? You keep beating war drums if your dictator is not made PORK

Don't be mad when the current dictator rides roughshod over all democratic  norms either.

Good lord
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 05:42:48 PM

I dont support dictatorship. In an heterogenous country like kenya. What I support is Nonsense Michuki Matiangi Nyachae Ruto type of leadership.


This thread is 2014 - when I was very angry with Ruto being shackled by Uhuru
https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=926.msg6003#msg6003

Then why are you demanding free and fair democratic elections?  :D You don't believe in democracy anyways, you just want your favorite dictator to be elected so he can lord over us in peace?  8)

Who gave you mandate to rule over us?

Don't be mad when the current dictator rides roughshod over all democratic  norms either.

Good lord
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 05:43:56 PM
This was 7 yrs ago - I DO NOT AND WILL NEVER WRITE USELESS PROPAGANDA. I write stuff that I have deeply thought about and believe in.

I see all those guys as my employees. The guys we hired to provid leadership. I want Uhuru to to do his job. To be on office by 6pm and set example. Day in day out. To really work his butt off. This is no retirement home. This country has a lot of fixing needed. The guy should be holding even 10 meetings every day. When i see the news..i hear nothing....sometimes a week can go without you hearing where Uhuru is. Maybe when he is just jetting in and out.

The only time we saw them rolling their sleeves was day of unveiling the cabinet..from then...the sleeves were rolled back.It only yesterday when i saw Ruto with his shirt on..in harambee house at 8 on the dot. Uhuru gimmick lasted only a day or two..and then he engaged auto-pilot---kimaiyos,karangis and all the fools i bet have also engaged auto-pilot--the junior office are probably on auto-pilot too.

Kibaki lazybones and slothfulness seem to have become defacto Modus Operandi in gov. I think we need to adopt Moi-Ruto work ethic without micromanaging and politicizing public and civil service. That was Moi problem..but everyone in gov was on toes..because Moi would be working the phones for hours.

In Ruto...i see our kagame and museveni. Museveni is ever busy..juzi i saw him with white board unleashing issuess to his juniors.

https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=926.msg6003#msg6003
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: hk on August 31, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
Again you do not understand. Ruto is NOT applying for private sector job. He is applying for public sector job.

Countries that have developed are mostly military dictatorship like Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda (for three relative to almost starting from zero), China, Singapore, South Korea, USSR, name them. Look at India and Kenya - dysfunctional democracies - where everyone is an expert on everything - and nobody does anything - just flapping gums with long theories on TV shows.

The reason is simple - once you have a plan - that has thought about all those economic theories - then you follow the plan - you dont start theorizing failures

The problem is not Keter or Echeza - the problem is Uhuru.

Under Ruto there will be nonsense dictatorship in gov sector - you get the job done - or go home. People like Echeza will be tasked with getting stuff done - no question asked. If the plan is to build 2 million houses - 2 million houses will get build. That is the order Echeza will follow and deliver.

It is why in military or police D- Minus make very good cops. Follow the order. Only the commander has the plan and the strategies - your job is to follow specific actionable orders - shoot - stop shooting.

After Ndii has come up with the plan using his oxbridge brain - Ruto will follow the plan - get it done.

It's Ndii job to work about productivity, bla bla bla into ACTIONABLE PLANS that Echeza and Mama Mboga can understand - productivity he can come and calculate annually - but the plan should run the course.

Kagame or Meles hires such economist - and pays them - and off they go - they get 5yr plan - and it's execution time now - no more theories - no explaining why we are doing it - we are doing it because the plan say we need to do it


There's no country in the world that has development without production or provision of services either for local or export market. Therein lies our problem, the focus should be on production and provision of services. How to produce has been our problem. Is keter, was kandie or felix being hampered from doing their Job?
Agrarian economy needs to improve productivity to develop, Kenya (agriculture) productivity has stagnated or declined from the 70s., that's our main problem.
Uganda, Ethiopia, Rwanda have just marginally improved from very dismal level. Singapore is a market economy which enabled it to develop, Its not a command economy that you seem to propose.
David ndii plan is just rehashing of Narc economic recovery strategy with more emphasis on the poor. The major difference is that Ndii proposes more public spending instead of unleashing private sector. Its a combination of his covid special lifeline fund proposal and more public spending. That's why he's proposing 100m private sector fund per constituency.
Ideology determines the policy, ideology is driven by core convictions of how the world should be. So crafting policy that isn't driven by core convictions you end up with haphazard and mismatch of policies. Pinochet hated Marxist so he emblazed market economy, driven and implemented by Milton friedmans students. As a result Chile is the richest country in latin america.
Anyhow Kenya needs more than brute force enforcers, it needs creative policy thinkers and implementers driven by free market and liberty as the guiding principles( my humble opinion).
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 05:53:39 PM
Ethiopia, Uganda and Rwanda started at bottom - after 20yrs of war - etc etc - and under Kagame, Museveni and Meles - they have had 7 percent plus growth for decades. Museveni lost it along the way - especially with family planning. Uganda are just breeding - and will overtake kenya population in a decade I think....so we need to remove Museveni.. from that list of public sector reformers of  Africa.

Kenya has been free market economy ever since the British started it. There is very little to be gained from changing any economic policy. Absolutely marginal utility.

What will change is for public sector driven investment - and the freeing private sector from cronyism.

Public sector investment is where we are - I personally favor infrastructure  - Ndii seem to favor social investment in people and their enterprises. I think Ruto also favour infrastructure - so we will see a mixed plan - rural roads (15 percent of paved roads is JUST AWFUL BAD - but electricity is sorted), WATSAN still big issue, housing, ndii cooperative led informal business support (MSME) and of course we continue with social investment in health and education of the poor.

But we are agreed that public sector need someone like Ruto or Michuki or Nyachae to shake it.
Uganda, Ethiopia, Rwanda have just marginally improved from very dismal level. Singapore is a market economy which enabled it to develop, Its not a command economy that you seem to propose.
David ndii plan is just rehashing of Narc economic recovery strategy with more emphasis on the poor. The major difference is that Ndii proposes more public spending instead of unleashing private sector. Its a combination of his covid special lifeline fund proposal and more public spending. That's why he's proposing 100m private sector fund per constituency.
Ideology determines the policy, ideology is driven by core convictions of how the world should be. So crafting policy that isn't driven by core convictions you end up with haphazard and mismatch of policies. Pinochet hated Marxist so he emblazed market economy, driven and implemented by Milton friedmans students. As a result Chile is the richest country in latin america.
Anyhow Kenya needs more than brute force enforcers, it needs creative policy thinkers and implementers driven by free market and liberty as the guiding principles( my humble opinion).
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: hk on August 31, 2021, 06:03:27 PM
Ethiopia, Uganda and Rwanda started at bottom - after 20yrs of war - etc etc - and under Kagame, Museveni and Meles - they have had 7 percent plus growth for decades. Museveni lost it along the way - especially with family planning. Uganda are just breeding - and will overtake kenya population in a decade I think....so we need to remove Museveni.. from that list of public sector reformers of  Africa.

Kenya has been free market economy ever since the British started it. There is very little to be gained from changing any economic policy. Absolutely marginal utility.

What will change is for public sector driven investment - and the freeing private sector from cronyism.

Public sector investment is where we are - I personally favor infrastructure  - Ndii seem to favor social investment in people and their enterprises.

But we are agreed that public sector need someone like Ruto or Michuki or Nyachae to shake it.



Uganda, Ethiopia, Rwanda have just marginally improved from very dismal level. Singapore is a market economy which enabled it to develop, Its not a command economy that you seem to propose.
David ndii plan is just rehashing of Narc economic recovery strategy with more emphasis on the poor. The major difference is that Ndii proposes more public spending instead of unleashing private sector. Its a combination of his covid special lifeline fund proposal and more public spending. That's why he's proposing 100m private sector fund per constituency.
Ideology determines the policy, ideology is driven by core convictions of how the world should be. So crafting policy that isn't driven by core convictions you end up with haphazard and mismatch of policies. Pinochet hated Marxist so he emblazed market economy, driven and implemented by Milton friedmans students. As a result Chile is the richest country in latin america.
Anyhow Kenya needs more than brute force enforcers, it needs creative policy thinkers and implementers driven by free market and liberty as the guiding principles( my humble opinion).
Kenya is a market economy only by name. Uganda is more liberalized than kenya economy. A perfect  example is kenya national cereals board, Uganda doesn't have anything like that.
GDP growth driven by public expenditure means absolutely nothing to the citizens, Jubilee government averaged about 6% and here we are.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 06:11:17 PM
1) I agree on more privatization - and remove cryonism - gov should sell cereal boards, KCCs, safaricom, kcb, mumias....all the 200 corporation...and get out of business. They are just there for treasury to sit on 200 boards and influence jobs and contracts there.

And that will give us money to deal with debt or finance infrastructure. I want to see gov sell nearly all those 200 state owned enterprises. All the gov hotels. Sell them all.

2) Now I totally disagree on public investment. I believe once gov get out completely from private sector it should concentrate on basic infrastructure.  Jubilee won by extra 1million or nearly 5 percent - because people FELT the electricity, the rural paved roads and such. Of course they do not automatically produce economic impact...because they are long term projects...so give it time....just like MGR eventually gave us Nairobi and all the towns along it. It not like after paving road or providing electricity - fortunes of resident will change immediately - but eventually it will change. They start moving more, cheaply, goods become cheaper and more widely available, their kids read better, they get sick less, bla de bla...all those savings eventually show up in gdp figures down the road.

3) I believe we have such a huge infrastructure deficit we need to do something - especially on rural roads and water supply. Also urban housing situation is very bad. That is very critical. That I believe Ruto  also shares as his viewpoint.

4) Then we need to think about 15m poor and unemployed. That I think is Ndii genius - let him figures out how to deal with informal and MSMES.  Jobs can be created by fixing infrastructure - getting people digging water pipes, roads and building houses. Cooperative or SACCO led formalization of informal and small business can unleash the economies of scale needed...and I am hoping that is the plan.

Under NARC - I believe Ndii managed to convince us to invest in education and health care - contra to world bank/.IMF 1990s madness to cut back on social investment - and everyone can see the benefit of that.

Kenya is a market economy only by name. Uganda is more liberalized than kenya economy. A perfect  example is kenya national cereals board, Uganda doesn't have anything like that.
GDP growth driven by public expenditure means absolutely nothing to the citizens, Jubilee government averaged about 6% and here we are.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on August 31, 2021, 06:56:07 PM
Something is missing from this high-falutin discussion - what we need is more devolution, then let the competition sort out the wheat from the chaff. If you prefer high taxes, bloated public sector, and involving Gava in every minute affair like Pundit try that in your county  :D and see how it works.
Gambling with other peoples' money is easy, socialists love it, however if you know your community will be taxed through the nose to pay aliens you will think twice before you approve that shiny credit financed boondoggle.

What I object to and which goes against the spirit of devolution is for foreigners such as Uhuruto taking on debts on my behalf at NATIONAL level to benefit their families, tribe and region. It is unacceptable.

Infrastructure - trains, national housing, electricity or roads should all be decided at local level. Governors who are accountable to their local voters would not dare build a white elephant such SGR. Only a few cross country highways should be left to central government which can be financed by vehicle mileage taxes.
Title: Re: Raila dropped without drama
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2021, 07:04:04 PM
We are in total agreement - we need more devolution - but slowly - they need to build capacity - even stuff like piping water to people household - wameshindwa. I dont think they have capacity to manage paving of roads.

I also expect all national projects to be divided equally. If it's roads - let gov build similar kilometers in every const. If it's water pipe- the same. If it any gov project - national - should be divided equally.

Ruto is smart enough to know he will win 2027 by doing exactly that. Kibaki screwed himself up. Ruto made Jubilee 1.0 very fair. Uhuru has spoiled that legacy.

Federalims should be the goal but slowly - some places cannot manage now - so they still need nairobi support.

Something is missing from this high-falutin discussion - what we need is more devolution, then let the competition sort out the wheat from the chaff. If you prefer high taxes, bloated public sector, and involving Gava in every minute affair like Pundit try that in your county  :D and see how it works.
Gambling with other peoples' money is easy, socialists love it, however if you know your community will be taxed through the nose to pay aliens you will think twice before you approve that shiny credit financed boondoggle.

What I object to and which goes against the spirit of devolution is for foreigners such as Uhuruto taking on debts on my behalf at NATIONAL level to benefit their families, tribe and region. It is unacceptable.

Infrastructure - trains, national housing, electricity or roads should all be decided at local level. Governors who are accountable to their local voters would not dare build a white elephant such SGR. Only a few cross country highways should be left to central government which can be financed by vehicle mileage taxes.