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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 08:20:30 AM

Title: Ruto will regret
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 08:20:30 AM
He is a product of a coalition, and he’s goin nowhere without one.

So this faux bravado of mocking mating season is ill-advised.

Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 08:25:20 AM
Strategically he needs to build UDA first before any coalition. Come April-May - Ruto will change tune - and possibly enter a Hustler Nation coalition. That I believe is the end goal. This especially after fallout in nomination and to fill up few numbers.

But for now he has to sell UDA - so he cannot become dependent on coalition - and end up forming a weak gov.

What Raila and company are doing - we will end up with small parties - that will make governing very hard. Each party with 20 mps - would make passing legislation in parliament a nightmare.

UDA has to score 150 mps - and get 50 more from coalition. ODM from 62 are likely to come down to 40mps as second biggest party.
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 08:41:31 AM
Strategically he needs to build UDA first before any coalition. Come April-May - Ruto will change tune - and possibly enter a Hustler Nation coalition. That I believe is the end goal. This especially after fallout in nomination and to fill up few numbers.

But for now he has to sell UDA - so he cannot become dependent on coalition - and end up forming a weak gov.

What Raila and company are doing - we will end up with small parties - that will make governing very hard. Each party with 20 mps - would make passing legislation in parliament a nightmare.

UDA has to score 150 mps - and get 50 more from coalition. ODM from 62 are likely to come down to 40mps as second biggest party.

Building UDA and entertaining coalitions are not mutually exclusive.

Ruto is going nowhere without a coalition

And if early coalitions are less than optimal, why all this bile? Shouldn’t he cheer them to their damnation?

He is spooked and is poor at hiding it
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 09:01:14 AM
I think you understimate RUto at your own peril.
Ruto know he has huge window of opportunity with Kiambaa - and he aint going to slow down UDA entry into Mt kenya.
That is only coalition he wants.
The rest can keep talking.
For once Ruto has Mt Kenya - it almost game over.
So Kiunjuri/Kuria beef is realisation that if UDA sell - their bargaining power will reduce.
It not call for coalition.
It is an attempt to slow down UDA
Ruto is going nowhere without a coalition

And if early coalitions are less than optimal, why all this bile? Shouldn’t he cheer them to their damnation?

He is spooked and is poor at hiding it
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 09:08:16 AM
I think you understimate RUto at your own peril.
Ruto know he has huge window of opportunity with Kiambaa - and he aint going to slow down UDA entry into Mt kenya.
That is only coalition he wants.
The rest can keep talking.
For once Ruto has Mt Kenya - it almost game over.
So Kiunjuri/Kuria beef is realisation that if UDA sell - their bargaining power will reduce.
It not call for coalition.
It is an attempt to slow down UDA
Ruto is going nowhere without a coalition

And if early coalitions are less than optimal, why all this bile? Shouldn’t he cheer them to their damnation?

He is spooked and is poor at hiding it

You overrate his popularity.

He needs those in OKA behind him, or scattered to have a shot at State House else he will lose badly.

He is barking angrily , exuding a fraction of confidence you have. Are you smarter than him?
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Only a fool can start counting his chicks this early. Coalition will happen in April-May. Anything now is Uhuru type display meant to entertain you.

Actually most coalition will be signed in June - just before 9th deadline for presidential and coalition agreement.

You overrate his popularity.

He needs those in OKA behind him, or scattered to have a shot at State House else he will lose badly.

He is barking angrily , exuding a fraction of confidence you have. Are you smarter than him?
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 09:16:31 AM
Only a fool can start counting his chicks this early. Coalition will happen in April-May. Anything now is Uhuru type display meant to entertain you.

Actually most coalition will be signed in June - just before 9th deadline for presidential and coalition agreement.

You overrate his popularity.

He needs those in OKA behind him, or scattered to have a shot at State House else he will lose badly.

He is barking angrily , exuding a fraction of confidence you have. Are you smarter than him?

You can’t make your mind whether he needs a coalition or not.

I said he desperately does and is rattled by coalition talks
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: Nowayhaha on August 20, 2021, 09:17:05 AM

Same people who were pretending to support Raila because he was National leader with a National party are now saying Ruto should be tribal.
You see it has never been about any ethics. It has been about Raila becoming President by hook or crook.

He is a product of a coalition, and he’s goin nowhere without one.

So this faux bravado of mocking mating season is ill-advised.

Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 09:21:17 AM
Of course when it get to April-May; He will do the maths; and see if he needs one. It all depend on how UDA does in Mt kenya. He may not need one like Jubilee didnt. He may only need to pick DPORK from Mt kenya.
You can’t make your mind whether he needs a coalition or not.

I said he desperately does and is rattled by coalition talks
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 09:53:01 AM
Of course when it get to April-May; He will do the maths; and see if he needs one. It all depend on how UDA does in Mt kenya. He may not need one like Jubilee didnt. He may only need to pick DPORK from Mt kenya.
You can’t make your mind whether he needs a coalition or not.

I said he desperately does and is rattled by coalition talks

Jubilee stole
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 11:00:29 AM
Maybe he will also steal. As far as I know nobody managed to prove any rigging on IEBC or Jubilee part. What supreme court took issue on were procedural transmission issue. This is why two judges dissented.
Jubilee stole
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: GeeMail on August 20, 2021, 11:09:48 AM
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-08-20-why-big-guns-now-considering-bbi-after-polls/

Ruto's biggest nightmare. He thought by courts stopping BBI that was the end.
Title: Re: Ruto will regret
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on August 20, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-08-20-why-big-guns-now-considering-bbi-after-polls/

Ruto's biggest nightmare. He thought by courts stopping BBI that was the end.
How naive are you?Kibaki promised baba the same in 2002 what happened after he became president. Hakuna mjinga amebaki Kenya.