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Title: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 19, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
Took  a young neigberhour - under 30s - but he was obese.

And I am hearing more n more people are going.

Kenya gov is hidding facts.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: KenyanPlato on August 19, 2021, 01:50:30 PM
It is killing. The stats by moh are faked. There is no good data collection mechanism. If you take locations in kenya and assume each location is losing 3 people a week. You will see that the deaths are many than reported.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 19, 2021, 01:53:18 PM
Yes kagwe and his thing; nobody even listen to the guy;
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Nefertiti on August 19, 2021, 02:07:11 PM
Kagwe need to focus on acquiring mass vaccines instead of press conferences. He and Uhuru should be working the phone to China, Russia, US all over. Nobody would even mind vaccine debt - in place of universal housing. They just need to focus on getting to 50-70% vaccinated like California.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Nefertiti on August 19, 2021, 02:09:50 PM
I am sure very many people have died - compared to fake reports. But Africa cannot hit 1k dead per day like here.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 19, 2021, 02:12:39 PM
Only Rwanda is serious. This is why we need serious PORK like Ruto.
Kagwe need to focus on acquiring mass vaccines instead of press conferences. He and Uhuru should be working the phone to China, Russia, US all over. Nobody would even mind vaccine debt - in place of universal housing. They just need to focus on getting to 50-70% vaccinated like California.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Nefertiti on August 19, 2021, 02:21:01 PM
What % has Rwanda vaccinated? Are they able to lift curfew? What about Botswana, Mauritius - usual good performers?

Only Rwanda is serious. This is why we need serious PORK like Ruto.
Kagwe need to focus on acquiring mass vaccines instead of press conferences. He and Uhuru should be working the phone to China, Russia, US all over. Nobody would even mind vaccine debt - in place of universal housing. They just need to focus on getting to 50-70% vaccinated like California.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 19, 2021, 02:47:40 PM
Last I checked, they are doing, door to door
What % has Rwanda vaccinated? Are they able to lift curfew? What about Botswana, Mauritius - usual good performers?
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: KenyanPlato on August 19, 2021, 03:36:55 PM
Kenyan systems are not going to be revived by pork. Executive needs less power and all power should devolved
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on August 19, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Kenyan systems are not going to be revived by pork. Executive needs less power and all power should devolved

Naughty boy. How is pharaoh Luto supposed to eat if you devolve power?  8)
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: GeeMail on August 19, 2021, 09:49:42 PM
It is killing. The stats by moh are faked. There is no good data collection mechanism. If you take locations in kenya and assume each location is losing 3 people a week. You will see that the deaths are many than reported.

Fake data. If you took the official figures Kenya would be empty now we would be importing Taliban refugees. So called fourth wave predicted mass depopulation. Earlier the west predicted mass burials in Africa. All fake. Omollo here claimed morgues were full people were transporting bodies from Nyanza to western. Fake.

https://allafrica.com/stories/202106240086.html
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: KenyanPlato on August 19, 2021, 11:29:03 PM
It is killing. The stats by moh are faked. There is no good data collection mechanism. If you take locations in kenya and assume each location is losing 3 people a week. You will see that the deaths are many than reported.

Fake data. If you took the official figures Kenya would be empty now we would be importing Taliban refugees. So called fourth wave predicted mass depopulation. Earlier the west predicted mass burials in Africa. All fake. Omollo here claimed morgues were full people were transporting bodies from Nyanza to western. Fake.

https://allafrica.com/stories/202106240086.html

You sound like New African journalist who used to challenge epidiomologists Data about aids in Africa. In one mathafarking series they asked where are the bodies, where are the Graves that is in early 1990s by 2000 they had gone underground and most didn't acknowledge how wrong they were. There was a certain afrocentric omollo oo type of Ghana Jaduong that saw racism in every Aids data. I bet he is in a village somewhere eat arvs like candy. They egged mbeki to deny sa aids victims arv and the results are evident
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: yulemsee on August 20, 2021, 12:57:28 AM
The no. of harambees I've been asked to contribute to have increased, too many people in ICU and the only way to pay is thru. harambee
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Wa Njambi on August 20, 2021, 02:44:23 AM
I lost Brother in-law this morning to Covid. He had traveled home from Canada to bury his mum. He was young and healthy. He got the virus and succumbed. This thing is real and lethal
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on August 20, 2021, 07:17:20 AM
Took  a young neigberhour - under 30s - but he was obese.

And I am hearing more n more people are going.

Kenya gov is hidding facts.
You remember you also barely survived covid. If it gets you hospitalized then you should know that you walking on a tight rope.
When I got suspected covid however results were negative but doctor insisted I take precautions nevertheless the feeling is surreal,the fear is the most unsettling bit. I remember running out of breath and losing smell and taste nothing I would say I haven't felt before in my life but the fear it could be covid. Luckily whatever it was my body fought it aggressive without need for me leaving normal duties and I turned around in 10 days time,I also thank the lady doctor that didn't take anything for granted and Gave me mineral supplements and other medications. Now am fully vaccinated only way to slow this disease is vaccination delta variant will affect the young too.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on August 20, 2021, 07:20:26 AM
I lost Brother in-law this morning to Covid. He had traveled home from Canada to bury his mum. He was young and healthy. He got the virus and succumbed. This thing is real and lethal
Pole sana wwas he vaccinated? And what is the data of vaccinated people and mortality if any
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 07:53:05 AM
Terminator here was one such. We need to trust the scientist and doctors and epidemiologists on diseases ad such things. Haitaki siasa and conspiracy theories. Magufuli is a lesson enough.
You sound like New African journalist who used to challenge epidiomologists Data about aids in Africa. In one mathafarking series they asked where are the bodies, where are the Graves that is in early 1990s by 2000 they had gone underground and most didn't acknowledge how wrong they were. There was a certain afrocentric omollo oo type of Ghana Jaduong that saw racism in every Aids data. I bet he is in a village somewhere eat arvs like candy. They egged mbeki to deny sa aids victims arv and the results are evident
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 08:09:35 AM
Took  a young neigberhour - under 30s - but he was obese.

And I am hearing more n more people are going.

Kenya gov is hidding facts.

I lost a buddy, under 40, zero preexisting conditions, not even 3 weeks at Aga Khan ICU and days in the general ward could save him.

Another friend, her dad is 70, mum in her 60s. Mum has high blood pressure, and was recently diagnosed with cancer. They only discovered she had Rona when she was subjected to the mandatory testing, else she had ZERO symptoms. The healthy dad who has never spent a day in a ward was nearly going and had to get oxygen for days before he stabilized. Two months later he’s still struggling recovering his sense of taste.

There’s honestly no way of guessing how hard it hits you or even what symptoms it manifests.

There are stereotypes around Rona that are damping our caution.

A friend who works at Kisumu county is still traumatized by  losing one too many colleagues in quick succession. He reckons Kisumu cases are deliberately understated. Uhunye allowed these baniani from Kibos Sugar to ship Delta variant
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 08:14:35 AM
That Mutahi Kagwe still on doing his own crazy stats - and doing it daily - when nobody pays any attention.

Yes you can never tell how it will affect you. I struggled with it for 2 weeks but third week I had to go to hospital - and I was fine - quickly recovered - and was home in 5 days. I recently got call from a neigberhour in nairobi - dude was doing harambee - and he sounded out of breathe - I hope he makes it.


I lost a buddy, under 40, zero preexisting conditions, not even 3 weeks at Aga Khan ICU and days in the general ward could save him.

Another friend, her dad is 70, mum in her 60s. Mum has high blood pressure, and was recently diagnosed with cancer. They only discovered she had Rona when she was subjected to the mandatory testing, else she had ZERO symptoms. The healthy dad who has never spent a day in a ward was nearly going and had to get oxygen for days before he stabilized. Two months later he’s still struggling recovering his sense of taste.

There’s honestly no way of guessing how hard it hits you or even what symptoms it manifests.

There are stereotypes around Rona that are damping our caution.

A friend who works at Kisumu county is still traumatized by  losing one too many colleagues in quick succession. He reckons Kisumu cases are deliberately understated. Uhunye allowed these baniani from Kibos Sugar to ship Delta variant
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 08:32:51 AM
Terminator here was one such. We need to trust the scientist and doctors and epidemiologists on diseases ad such things. Haitaki siasa and conspiracy theories. Magufuli is a lesson enough.
You sound like New African journalist who used to challenge epidiomologists Data about aids in Africa. In one mathafarking series they asked where are the bodies, where are the Graves that is in early 1990s by 2000 they had gone underground and most didn't acknowledge how wrong they were. There was a certain afrocentric omollo oo type of Ghana Jaduong that saw racism in every Aids data. I bet he is in a village somewhere eat arvs like candy. They egged mbeki to deny sa aids victims arv and the results are evident

Once you get sucked into conspiracy theories culture of the US you lose your head where you need it the most.

You become addicted to skepticism. You doubt for the sake of doubting.


Biggest failure in Uhunye Rona strategy is bringing down the cost of testing. Why does a PCR test cost 6K a year later while PPEs cost a fraction of what they did a year ago?

We are still testing 5K max per day.

I wonder how many are perishing because they learn too late
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 08:37:52 AM
It is deliberate; Uhuru almost want corona to go crazy so he can extend his stay in power. Kenya normally has very good public health sector that would easily immunize polio and name it.

The gov are scared - and hoping like Ethiopia did - that they can postphone election for one year due to covid-19.

This is their big plan - or at least using covid curfew rules to influence the election.

After BBI is done - we need to battle COVID restriction from judiciary. There is already an opening. You cannot put kenya in state of emergency - an endless one like we have now.

Declare a state of emergency for three months - as per the constitution - otherwise we are going two years - with nonsensical restrictions - that restrict freedoms and rights of kenya - and allow Kenya Police to not only extort money but also murder people.

Now we are going into 2022 - Uhuru is banning campaigns for by-elections - and next year it continues - how can people campaign with restrictions?

Once you get sucked into conspiracy theories culture of the US you lose your head where you need it the most.

You become addicted to skepticism. You doubt for the sake of doubting.


Biggest failure in Uhunye Rona strategy is bringing down the cost of testing. Why does a PCR test cost 6K a year later while PPEs cost a fraction of what they did a year ago?

We are still testing 5K max per day.

I wonder how many are perishing because they learn too late
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 08:43:51 AM
State of Emergency under constitution - otherwise you cannot have perpetual undeclared one that allows gov to flout the human rights of citizen for years . You cannot enforce curfew without declaring a state of emergency.

The max is 14-60 days.

https://www.klrc.go.ke/index.php/constitution-of-kenya/114-chapter-four-the-bill-of-rights/part-4-state-of-emergency/224-58-state-of-emergency
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 08:49:36 AM
It is deliberate; Uhuru almost want corona to go crazy so he can extend his stay in power. Kenya normally has very good public health sector that would easily immunize polio and name it.

The gov are scared - and hoping like Ethiopia did - that they can postphone election for one year due to covid-19.

This is their big plan - or at least using covid curfew rules to influence the election.

After BBI is done - we need to battle COVID restriction from judiciary. There is already an opening. You cannot put kenya in state of emergency - an endless one like we have now.

Declare a state of emergency for three months - as per the constitution - otherwise we are going two years - with nonsensical restrictions - that restrict freedoms and rights of kenya - and allow Kenya Police to not only extort money but also murder people.

Now we are going into 2022 - Uhuru is banning campaigns for by-elections - and next year it continues - how can people campaign with restrictions?

Once you get sucked into conspiracy theories culture of the US you lose your head where you need it the most.

You become addicted to skepticism. You doubt for the sake of doubting.


Biggest failure in Uhunye Rona strategy is bringing down the cost of testing. Why does a PCR test cost 6K a year later while PPEs cost a fraction of what they did a year ago?

We are still testing 5K max per day.

I wonder how many are perishing because they learn too late

That’s more far fetched than Termie’s anti AIDS beliefs.

Rona can’t stop elections.

Of course Uhunye has been half heartedly using the protocols to cut tot size tanga tanga.

Babu is having these meetings in Nyanza right after Uhunye banned meetings:
?s=21

The failures are just the usual ineptitude and of course corruption
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 08:53:24 AM
State of Emergency under constitution - otherwise you cannot have perpetual undeclared one that allows gov to flout the human rights of citizen for years . You cannot enforce curfew without declaring a state of emergency.

The max is 14-60 days.

https://www.klrc.go.ke/index.php/constitution-of-kenya/114-chapter-four-the-bill-of-rights/part-4-state-of-emergency/224-58-state-of-emergency

Is curfew equivalent to state of emergency?

Looks like you’re conflating the two.

Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 08:56:02 AM
What is state of emergency to you. Gov is only allowed to impose stuff like curfews only under state of emergency. kenya has declared state of emergency several when food insecurity was rampant.

COVID rules - on flimsy public health or order act - are unconstitutional - unless state of emergency is declared.

Human rights are protected by the CONSTITUTION. The right for you to move anytime can only be suspended by the constitution. Not from act of parliament.


Is curfew equivalent to state of emergency?

Looks like you’re conflating the two.


Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: vooke on August 20, 2021, 09:03:56 AM
What is state of emergency to you. Gov is only allowed to impose stuff like curfews only under state of emergency. kenya has declared state of emergency several when food insecurity was rampant.

COVID rules - on flimsy public health or order act - are unconstitutional - unless state of emergency is declared.

Human rights are protected by the CONSTITUTION. The right for you to move anytime can only be suspended by the constitution. Not from act of parliament.


Is curfew equivalent to state of emergency?

Looks like you’re conflating the two.



Curfew falls short of emergency (though it’s part of it) as envisaged in the katiba else the mere fact that we have had extensions without parliament should have sufficed to shoot them down

Can you quickly go through this blog post on Emergency
https://katibainstitute.org/do-we-need-a-state-of-emergency-and-what-does-it-mean/
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: GeeMail on August 20, 2021, 10:27:25 AM
It is deliberate; Uhuru almost want corona to go crazy so he can extend his stay in power. Kenya normally has very good public health sector that would easily immunize polio and name it.

The gov are scared - and hoping like Ethiopia did - that they can postphone election for one year due to covid-19.

This is their big plan - or at least using covid curfew rules to influence the election.

After BBI is done - we need to battle COVID restriction from judiciary. There is already an opening. You cannot put kenya in state of emergency - an endless one like we have now.

Declare a state of emergency for three months - as per the constitution - otherwise we are going two years - with nonsensical restrictions - that restrict freedoms and rights of kenya - and allow Kenya Police to not only extort money but also murder people.

Now we are going into 2022 - Uhuru is banning campaigns for by-elections - and next year it continues - how can people campaign with restrictions?

Once you get sucked into conspiracy theories culture of the US you lose your head where you need it the most.

You become addicted to skepticism. You doubt for the sake of doubting.


Biggest failure in Uhunye Rona strategy is bringing down the cost of testing. Why does a PCR test cost 6K a year later while PPEs cost a fraction of what they did a year ago?

We are still testing 5K max per day.

I wonder how many are perishing because they learn too late

Once you discover they are using this for political objectives you will rethink your understanding of the statistics used to scare people into taking the vaccine. You cannot support the "experts" giving of numbers on one side and claim to distrust their use of the same to restrict public gatherings.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: GeeMail on August 20, 2021, 10:28:55 AM
It is deliberate; Uhuru almost want corona to go crazy so he can extend his stay in power. Kenya normally has very good public health sector that would easily immunize polio and name it.

The gov are scared - and hoping like Ethiopia did - that they can postphone election for one year due to covid-19.

This is their big plan - or at least using covid curfew rules to influence the election.

After BBI is done - we need to battle COVID restriction from judiciary. There is already an opening. You cannot put kenya in state of emergency - an endless one like we have now.

Declare a state of emergency for three months - as per the constitution - otherwise we are going two years - with nonsensical restrictions - that restrict freedoms and rights of kenya - and allow Kenya Police to not only extort money but also murder people.

Now we are going into 2022 - Uhuru is banning campaigns for by-elections - and next year it continues - how can people campaign with restrictions?

Once you get sucked into conspiracy theories culture of the US you lose your head where you need it the most.

You become addicted to skepticism. You doubt for the sake of doubting.


Biggest failure in Uhunye Rona strategy is bringing down the cost of testing. Why does a PCR test cost 6K a year later while PPEs cost a fraction of what they did a year ago?

We are still testing 5K max per day.

I wonder how many are perishing because they learn too late

That’s more far fetched than Termie’s anti AIDS beliefs.

Rona can’t stop elections.

Of course Uhunye has been half heartedly using the protocols to cut tot size tanga tanga.

Babu is having these meetings in Nyanza right after Uhunye banned meetings:
?s=21

The failures are just the usual ineptitude and of course corruption

Exactly. The high priest also met a huge delegation same day.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
Not everything is mutually exclusive. I trust the doctors on technical covid issues. I do not trust public health and order part by the executive. Corona is real.  Corona restriction I feel are more than meet the eye. Is night curfew neccessary? I can understand closing bars?
Once you discover they are using this for political objectives you will rethink your understanding of the statistics used to scare people into taking the vaccine. You cannot support the "experts" giving of numbers on one side and claim to distrust their use of the same to restrict public gatherings.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: GeeMail on August 20, 2021, 11:03:20 AM
Took  a young neigberhour - under 30s - but he was obese.

And I am hearing more n more people are going.

Kenya gov is hidding facts.

I lost a buddy, under 40, zero preexisting conditions, not even 3 weeks at Aga Khan ICU and days in the general ward could save him.

Another friend, her dad is 70, mum in her 60s. Mum has high blood pressure, and was recently diagnosed with cancer. They only discovered she had Rona when she was subjected to the mandatory testing, else she had ZERO symptoms. The healthy dad who has never spent a day in a ward was nearly going and had to get oxygen for days before he stabilized. Two months later he’s still struggling recovering his sense of taste.

There’s honestly no way of guessing how hard it hits you or even what symptoms it manifests.

There are stereotypes around Rona that are damping our caution.

A friend who works at Kisumu county is still traumatized by  losing one too many colleagues in quick succession. He reckons Kisumu cases are deliberately understated. Uhunye allowed these baniani from Kibos Sugar to ship Delta variant

People have been dying and will be dying. Just because there is shortness of breath and respiratory problems does not necessarily mean Covid. Even if it were, we cannot subject ourselves to federal control. Fake from start to finish.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: gout on August 20, 2021, 12:40:15 PM
The restrictions are clearly political not health motivated. ufool has talked explicitly about covid only a countable times-zero interest in its health, economic and social implications. He is deaf and dumb.

It is crazy as the home deaths over breathing problems are quick - thus died suddenly, he was fit and such pronouncements. In Central where diabetes and high BP is prevalent villages are having at least a death per week. On Facebook seems it is a wipe out of the old generations above 55. The timeline is littered with RIP of parents, aunts - though I have noted the posters showing a recent photo where they visited the dead.

The silence of government is not to embarrass themselves to mzungu and continue looting the MoH. It is likely it is the only cash cow with ease.

The doctors - epidemiologists were given a strict  warning when the first thing Kagwe did was to demote the KEMRI researcher for late reports. Then came firing of Kelebi from Lancet. Then poaching and silencing of Oluga from KPMDU.

Now it is only rungu and guns police fighting Covid. Impoverishing households in slums and villages.

With two years now, no public education even among the public servants- they have to issue threats for them to get vaccines. Public education would also insist on not visiting the elderly especially if you use matatu or bodaboda or frequent clubs. The variants in these places must be  wild but not affecting the healthy constituent but once you import it to the village you will wipe out the elderly and vulnerable in the village hamlets.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 12:59:52 PM
Absolutely. 100 percent right
The restrictions are clearly political not health motivated. ufool has talked explicitly about covid only a countable times-zero interest in its health, economic and social implications. He is deaf and dumb.

It is crazy as the home deaths over breathing problems are quick - thus died suddenly, he was fit and such pronouncements. In Central where diabetes and high BP is prevalent villages are having at least a death per week. On Facebook seems it is a wipe out of the old generations above 55. The timeline is littered with RIP of parents, aunts - though I have noted the posters showing a recent photo where they visited the dead.

The silence of government is not to embarrass themselves to mzungu and continue looting the MoH. It is likely it is the only cash cow with ease.

The doctors - epidemiologists were given a strict  warning when the first thing Kagwe did was to demote the KEMRI researcher for late reports. Then came firing of Kelebi from Lancet. Then poaching and silencing of Oluga from KPMDU.

Now it is only rungu and guns police fighting Covid. Impoverishing households in slums and villages.

With two years now, no public education even among the public servants- they have to issue threats for them to get vaccines. Public education would also insist on not visiting the elderly especially if you use matatu or bodaboda or frequent clubs. The variants in these places must be  wild but not affecting the healthy constituent but once you import it to the village you will wipe out the elderly and vulnerable in the village hamlets.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on August 20, 2021, 04:46:49 PM
I'm siding with those who say we go on with our lives; no restrictions, no masks, nor curfews, no vaccine mandates. Covid is just another liberal scaremongering excuse for authoritarian serikalis to deprive us of our civil liberties and lives in some cases - think of kianjoma boys. It is also being used to fleece us. It is BS, hunger kills more Kenyans than Covid yet this potato head Kagwe pontificates about its dangers as if it was a virulent pestilence akin to black death. Enough of this sanctimonious virtual signaling from yall - "sijui I lost so and so, covid is real, bla bla" Death has always been with us, young people occasionally die healthy and fit, no biggie. The problem with socialists is they want to control the narrative - epidemic is so bad, so we must do so and so.They are anti freedom. Witness their ba'al vaccine get exposed as ineffectual, now we need booster shots, for two years they waited with bated breath for their fake idol to come to the scene and obliterate the virus, it has done nothing despite industrial scale vaccination campaign, the virus is mutating - delta, lambda etc. Those who called for caution were labelled cranks and conspiracy theorists. The so called vaccine is not even a vaccine but closer to DNA-altering gene therapy. Yet we are supposed to accept like a sheep unquestioning the science behind it.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: RV Pundit on August 20, 2021, 04:50:05 PM
Yes ultimately best protection is personal. Unless someone can prove that you endanger public life - these orders are illegal. Everyone can put their mask on - like we do with condoms - and continue. Protect or expose yourself.  It only should be an issue if there are no ways to protect ourselves - but if you fear it - wear mask - hand gloves - name it - and stay away from public places - but leave those who want to expose themselves - expose themselves knowing the risk is real - but for barmaid working in bar - the real risk is feeding their kids or not.

After BBI - Kenyans need to go to court - to get back their freedom and rights - including the freedom to get infected - as long as you do not forcefully infect others.

HIV killed millions - nobody closed the bars. Gov job should end with providing free masks, public education and free vaccines - and everything else should be voluntary. Business owners should choose to admit or not admit - with or without mask.

I'm siding with those who say we go on with our lives; no restrictions, no masks, nor curfews, no vaccine mandates. Covid is just another liberal scaremongering excuse for authoritarian serikalis to deprive us of our civil liberties and lives in some cases - think of kianjoma boys. It is also being used to fleece us. It is BS, hunger kills more Kenyans than Covid yet this potato head Kagwe pontificates about its dangers as if it was a virulent pestilence akin to black death. Enough of this sanctimonious virtual signaling from yall - "sijui I lost so and so, covid is real, bla bla" Death has always been with us, young people occasionally die healthy and fit, no biggie. The problem with socialists is they want to control the narrative - epidemic is so bad, so we must do so and so.They are anti freedom. Witness their ba'al vaccine get exposed as ineffectual, now we need booster shots, for two years they waited with bated breath for their fake idol to come to the scene and obliterate the virus, it has done nothing despite industrial scale vaccination campaign, the virus is mutating - delta, lambda etc. Those who called for caution were labelled cranks and conspiracy theorists. The so called vaccine is not even a vaccine but closer to DNA-altering gene therapy. Yet we are supposed to accept like a sheep unquestioning the science behind it.

Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: GeeMail on August 20, 2021, 04:52:13 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN26902H

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/563771-guess-who-undermined-public-confidence-in-vaccines

Harris is no better. It's like the Kenyan looter now presiding over an anti-corruption campaign.

Biden's hypocrisy is astounding. Americans and the world are been played like an isikuti drum.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Georgesoros on August 20, 2021, 05:22:05 PM
Kagwe need to focus on acquiring mass vaccines instead of press conferences. He and Uhuru should be working the phone to China, Russia, US all over. Nobody would even mind vaccine debt - in place of universal housing. They just need to focus on getting to 50-70% vaccinated like California.
AGREED!!!
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Georgesoros on August 20, 2021, 05:27:53 PM
I'm siding with those who say we go on with our lives; no restrictions, no masks, nor curfews, no vaccine mandates. Covid is just another liberal scaremongering excuse for authoritarian serikalis to deprive us of our civil liberties and lives in some cases - think of kianjoma boys. It is also being used to fleece us. It is BS, hunger kills more Kenyans than Covid yet this potato head Kagwe pontificates about its dangers as if it was a virulent pestilence akin to black death. Enough of this sanctimonious virtual signaling from yall - "sijui I lost so and so, covid is real, bla bla" Death has always been with us, young people occasionally die healthy and fit, no biggie. The problem with socialists is they want to control the narrative - epidemic is so bad, so we must do so and so.They are anti freedom. Witness their ba'al vaccine get exposed as ineffectual, now we need booster shots, for two years they waited with bated breath for their fake idol to come to the scene and obliterate the virus, it has done nothing despite industrial scale vaccination campaign, the virus is mutating - delta, lambda etc. Those who called for caution were labelled cranks and conspiracy theorists. The so called vaccine is not even a vaccine but closer to DNA-altering gene therapy. Yet we are supposed to accept like a sheep unquestioning the science behind it.


I agree with you but I dont see any solution to your anti science rant. Youre like Abbot type who rants against masks and he's the first to look for Regenerons and everything so that he does not get ill when he got infected. Briefly give me five pointers to stop the Spread and eventual deaths.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: gout on August 20, 2021, 05:52:57 PM
It madness - you kill people ati you are protecting them from a virus they have waded off several times. Apart from the directly deaths related to police in the long run all the indirect deaths are on the feet of ufool.

Even the elderly dying may have been protected by ensuring people are engaged in their businesses fully. Now you have reckless people pushed out of urban slums into the villages after destruction of their livelihoods.
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: Wa Njambi on August 20, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
Not sure...Will check on that. But I presume that he had been tested and tested negative prior to entering 254 from Canada

I lost Brother in-law this morning to Covid. He had traveled home from Canada to bury his mum. He was young and healthy. He got the virus and succumbed. This thing is real and lethal
Pole sana wwas he vaccinated? And what is the data of vaccinated people and mortality if any
Title: Re: I hear COVID is taking people in Kenya
Post by: GeeMail on August 20, 2021, 10:21:38 PM
https://medium.com/id2020/immunization-an-entry-point-for-digital-identity-ea37d9c3b77e

Guys you do not think there's something wrong with following a program set up a year/two years before the plandemic started?