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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 02:43:17 PM

Title: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 02:43:17 PM
https://apnews.com/article/africa-elections-zambia-dcd09ef14d56594b1310fd017b62e695
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 02:44:53 PM
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: gout on August 14, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Seems Turnout will decide.
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Zambia is broke; EUrobond is killing it; they are paying 18 percent interest;
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: yulemsee on August 14, 2021, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Zambia is broke; EUrobond is killing it; they are paying 18 percent interest;
Yield vs coupon, two different things, read up my friend!
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 08:54:55 PM
Seem they actually defaulted;

Economic debt is Zambia’s biggest challenge. Under Lungu, the debt ballooned from 36% to 110% of GDP. Zambia defaulted on repaying $42.5 million in interest on a Eurobond in November 2020.

https://theconversation.com/four-priorities-for-zambia-after-the-2021-elections-165760

Quote from: yulemsee on August 14, 2021, 08:36:11 PM
Yield vs coupon, two different things, read up my friend!
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 10:10:52 PM
Look like Lungu intend to pull a trump - STOP THE COUNT

Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: Nefertiti on August 15, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
Look like a serious dog-beating - 65 vs 35%. Lungu fool needs to concede. He can join Goodluck Jonathan as incumbents who peacefully conceded defeat.

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The last update by the Zambia Electoral Commission showed Mr Hichelema, a prominent businessman, leading with 1,024,212 votes against Lungu’s 565,523.

Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 15, 2021, 02:03:55 PM
Zambia has history of that. I think he should just bow out. Economy is in such chaos - it was gonna happen.
Holding election under covid is very dangerous for incumbent.
Even Museveni had to rig massively.
Quote from: Robina on August 15, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
Look like a serious dog-beating - 65 vs 35%. Lungu fool needs to concede. He can join Goodluck Jonathan as incumbents who peacefully conceded defeat.
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 15, 2021, 02:04:07 PM
Zambia has history of that. I think he should just bow out. Economy is in such chaos - it was gonna happen.
Holding election under covid is very dangerous for incumbent.
Even Museveni had to rig massively.
Quote from: Robina on August 15, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
Look like a serious dog-beating - 65 vs 35%. Lungu fool needs to concede. He can join Goodluck Jonathan as incumbents who peacefully conceded defeat.
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: gout on August 15, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
There is need for a reliable platform dedicated to tallying votes across Africa which can be deployed across the countries.

Useless AU is beaten by Chirchir to such.

Relying on compromised and vested interests of the foreign media which could not even do it for the home of democracy is absurd. From Thursday - day 3 and all we are hearing is 'early' lead🤷???🤷???
 
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 15, 2021, 06:19:13 PM
It's over for Lungu - he becomes a one term president; africa democracy moves forward
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 16, 2021, 02:33:17 PM
Sitting president Lungu concede defeat and bows out. Great day for democracy in Africa.

Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 16, 2021, 05:35:20 PM
I have no idea what are the dynamics of Zambian politics are.  In Kenya(tribe), TZ(CCM dominance), UG, Rwanda(authoritarians).  I wonder what really animates them when they get in the voting booth.
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 16, 2021, 05:42:47 PM
It appears as tribal as any african country. There seem to be Northern and Southern Divide - with East and West - providing the swing. The guy who won is from Southern Zambia tribe of Tonga - and party is strong there.
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kambidima-Wotela/publication/228801310/figure/fig1/AS:650408720605184@1532080931025/Tribal-and-linguistic-societies-in-Zambia-according-to-migration-clusters.png)
It peaceful country coz it entirely Bantus.
Quote from: bitmask on August 16, 2021, 05:35:20 PM
I have no idea what are the dynamics of Zambian politics are.  In Kenya(tribe), TZ(CCM dominance), UG, Rwanda(authoritarians).  I wonder what really animates them when they get in the voting booth.
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 16, 2021, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on August 16, 2021, 05:42:47 PM
It appears as tribal as any african country. There seem to be Northern and Southern Divide - with East and West - providing the swing. The guy who won is from Southern Zambia tribe of Tonga - and party is strong there.
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kambidima-Wotela/publication/228801310/figure/fig1/AS:650408720605184@1532080931025/Tribal-and-linguistic-societies-in-Zambia-according-to-migration-clusters.png)
It peaceful country coz it entirely Bantus.
Quote from: bitmask on August 16, 2021, 05:35:20 PM
I have no idea what are the dynamics of Zambian politics are.  In Kenya(tribe), TZ(CCM dominance), UG, Rwanda(authoritarians).  I wonder what really animates them when they get in the voting booth.

Yes, they are literally all Bantus, and very closely related Bantus to boot.  But given how Somalia works, it might still be a big deal.
Title: Re: Zambia - look like sitting president is headed for a loss
Post by: RV Pundit on August 16, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
Yes Malawi/Zambia/Zimbabwe are very similar bantus - the pure bantus - no so much Khoisan influence - no nilotic or cushitic influence like East Africa Bantus. I think Bantus generally peaceful people. Apart from the Zulus down in South Africa - who go into cattle culture. Generally tribes dealing with cattle or living in deserts; tend to be warlike; there is always the fight for pasture or water points in dry plains; and there is always that laziness that come with cattle keeping; so much energy idling eventually lead to useless fights;In fact to stop cattle rustling in Kalenjin; Mzungu started sport activities; because men would either be practising for war or just going to cattle rustling; for nothing but idleness; That disdain for menial labour is very common in cattle keeping societies of north africa and middle east'; the extra energy is then reserved to starting wars.
Bantus as farmers living in good rainfall areas do not need to fight; over anything; they are very busy tilling their land.
Quote from: bitmask on August 16, 2021, 06:03:58 PM
Yes, they are literally all Bantus, and very closely related Bantus to boot.  But given how Somalia works, it might still be a big deal.