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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on August 13, 2021, 12:00:09 PM
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Why intervene where you're clearly not needed. All that needed to happen was to ban Afgan and make it pariah state like North Korea for engaging in international terror. Ban anybody trading with it. Ban any travel outside it. Give incentive to neigbeouring countries to blockade their borders with Afgan.
Like Somalia - leave them alone - eventually they will deal with Taliban on their own terms. The afgan will revolt on their own
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-58197706
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The arms industry is a driving force of the US economy. The industry always needs a war once in a decade to get rid of the surplus arms and also test new weapons. Peace does not mean well for this mighty industry.
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They better find something else - like buy shares in facebook or google or bitcoins - and make more money. You cannot kill people for sports.
The arms industry is a driving force of the US economy. The industry always needs a war once in a decade to get rid of the surplus arms and also test new weapons. Peace does not mean well for this mighty industry.
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The arms industry is a driving force of the US economy. The industry always needs a war once in a decade to get rid of the surplus arms and also test new weapons. Peace does not mean well for this mighty industry.
Yep. Withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq means new flashpoints must be found or created. It’s a huge industry.
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The embrassment is most noteworthy. The US and Nato incompetence at training an Afghan force to take on Taliban ragtag militia. The US-trained "special forces" just flee and abandon their positions and weapons. Bure kabisa.
Such episodes are markers of the fall of America; -akin to Britain during the Suez Canal crisis.
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US alone have spent 1 trillion. The European NATO maybe 500B. If they had invested the money in building Afgan infrastructure - it would be a developed country now. If they put the same on Africa - we would be very far.
According to the US Department of Defense, the total military expenditure in Afghanistan (from October 2001 until September 2019) had reached $778bn.
In addition, the US state department - along with the US Agency for International Development (USAID) and other government agencies - spent $44bn on reconstruction projects.
That brings the total cost - based on official data - to $822bn between 2001 and 2019, but it doesn't include any spending in Pakistan, which the US uses as a base for Afghan-related operations.
The embrassment is most noteworthy. The US and Nato incompetence at training an Afghan force to take on Taliban ragtag militia. The US-trained "special forces" just flee and abandon their positions and weapons. Bure kabisa.
Such episodes are markers of the fall of America; -akin to Britain during the Suez Canal crisis.
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Rich lessons for our Somalia misadventures
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Yes we can never win that one. Thankfully the AU/EU are picking the tabs. Once Amisom stop picking the tabs - we need to comeback. Somalia and Afgan and Yemenis - those are crazy places - with harden people you cannot subdue
Go in bomb the shiet out of it and declare victory - and run. Dont get bogged down in a war you cannot win. The war is useless if civilian do not buy your agenda - and these muslims will never buy a non-muslim agenda.
Rich lessons for our Somalia misadventures
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Taliban on the outskirts of Kabul - look like gov will hand it over to Taliban without drama :)
This such an egg on NATO - they should disband it.
I hope they remember to evacuate Afganis collaborators who could get punished by Taliban.
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Worst this is not even proxy war like Iraq or Syria where Russia-Iran back Assad vs Saudis & NATO side. Afghan is pure Taliban thugs literally running big, bad Nato out of town. How can troops trained by US for years be overrun in few days.
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Biden will go down the history as the bad boy who embarrassed the US. He’s not about to get over that tag however unfair that is
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Very good there is little resistance and drama. Mzungu media is not happy there are no mass slaughter photos to just redeployment and more investments in killing machines.
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How long can you protect people from themselves, at what cost of life and resources? Biden or even Trump was right in this case, get the hell out of the place and let the chips fall. The so called army with NATO training and resources disappeared or joined the Tali to share the spoils. The USA needs to start taking care of its people, these foreign adventures is what gave us four years of hell with Trump. There is a huge disaffected population of white who feel left out. I just came back from Seattle and Portland, the level of homelessness there in mind boggling.
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Yes, US should focus on internal issues, and UN should be elevated to deal with global issues. Make the UNSC works and US will not need to become the world policeman. The UN Security Council was made for that purpose. Reform the UN and give her teeth.
At least with the UN - there is legitimacy - that the US or any other power lacks.
If we need a global standing army - let each country contribute 1000 troops - and that will instantly be 180,000 troops - let them be trained on international intervention.
So if we go to Afgan as a world force - with each country - sending 500 troops - they will listen. Or at least 100 countries backed by UN - and all agreeing to sanctions and make Afgan a pariah state...or whatever the UNSC resolution would be.
But somehow the US-appointed themselves to be the World Policeman and they have completely failed everywhere they have gone.
How long can you protect people from themselves, at what cost of life and resources? Biden or even Trump was right in this case, get the hell out of the place and let the chips fall. The so called army with NATO training and resources disappeared or joined the Tali to share the spoils. The USA needs to start taking care of its people, these foreign adventures is what gave us four years of hell with Trump. There is a huge disaffected population of white who feel left out. I just came back from Seattle and Portland, the level of homelessness there in mind boggling.
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It's over for US and NATO - President has fled
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I love Trevor Noah’s quirky take
As early as 2015 top military brass admitted they had no strategy, no goal. And they constantly lied about the progress, Obama, Bush, Trump administrations.
Question is WHY
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I love Trevor Noah’s quirky take
As early as 2015 top military brass admitted they had no strategy, no goal. And they constantly lied about the progress, Obama, Bush, Trump administrations.
Question is WHY
Looks oddly similar to covid pharmaceutical industrial complex
The old and retiring USD world order was backed by Military industrial complex. The new digital cbdc shitcoin will obviously need some physical force to back up. Now they starting to dismantle old system as they role out new one as part of so-called great reset. New system ushered in by covfefe (sp) industrial complex
Read Brazil gov get pressured to hand Military to pfizer to back vaccine
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The scene looks staged.
The USA probably left after training and arming jihads, then blame it on having left huge weapons in Afghanistan on impromptu departure.
The Chinese or other foreign entity will come head on with trained and armed militia like Russia osama
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you cant change anything, Unless you change a culture. Afghans had no will to fight the religious zealots. Now that USA has left they will fight among themselves.
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I wonder what have happened in that country if Ahmad Shah Massoud had never been killed.
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Surely the US would have done better - by offering asylum to their 18yrs collaborators - who are facing death and other punishments.
Can NATO offer these people save evacuation? Can they agree with Taliban to let civilians leave -
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The US relationship with the Taliban has improved drastically over the past few years. They basically knowingly left their puppet government to fall. It's probably a win-win situation for both sides.
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Perception is everything. The whole world see this thing differently.
The US relationship with the Taliban has improved drastically over the past few years. They basically knowingly left their puppet government to fall. It's probably a win-win situation for both sides.
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Yes true - it appears the US had resigned to Taliban - espe with the caretaker gov refusing to embrace democracy - I think guy kept rigging himself
The US relationship with the Taliban has improved drastically over the past few years. They basically knowingly left their puppet government to fall. It's probably a win-win situation for both sides.
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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-taliban-us-news-08-16-21/index.html
Russian envoy to Afghanistan criticizes US mission
From CNN’s Anna Chernova
Russian President's special envoy for Afghanistan Zamir Kabulov had a phone conversation Monday with his US counterpart, Zalmay Khalilzad, who is currently in Doha, Kabulov said, according to Russian state media.
Kabulov did not provide any details on the contents of the call.
Speaking Monday on Russia 24 TV Channel after the call, Kabulov criticized the American mission in Afghanistan.
“We expected that the Afghan military forces, prepared by the Americans and NATO, will last at least some time and will control at least part of the country which will allow to hold negotiations on a coalition transit government. Apparently, we overestimated the talents of our American colleagues, and this army gave up without a fight,” Kabulov said.
“When the Soviet Union left Afghanistan, the regime they supported held up for three years. The regime that the Americans had been creating for 20 years, did not even last until the Americans left completely,” he added.
“[The US experts] need to justify themselves first of all in front of their taxpayers explaining why this happened: 20 years, 1 trillion [dollars], almost 2,500 American lives, not counting the other allies. They need to justify that somehow and to show this failure as a success," he said.
Earlier Russia announced it will not be evacuating its embassy in Kabul. Explaining this decision, Kabulov said that for the last 7 years, the Russian diplomats have been analyzing thoughtfully and “working with all sides of the conflict in a civil war.”
“As a result, the Russian diplomacy ensured quite comfortable conditions for itself regardless of the regime change in Kabul,” Kabulov said.
The capital of Afghanistan is safe now, according to the Russian official.
“Safety is a conditional concept, but at the moment it is safe [in Kabul]… The situation in Kabul itself is absolutely calm. And we shouldn’t mix this with the chaos created at the airport," he said.
According to the Russian special envoy, the “chaos and mess” at Kabul airport was created by the US decision to send in a few thousand soldiers to evacuate its staff.
“It has nothing to do with the situation inside Kabul,” he said.
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Yes true - it appears the US had resigned to Taliban - espe with the caretaker gov refusing to embrace democracy - I think guy kept rigging himself
The US relationship with the Taliban has improved drastically over the past few years. They basically knowingly left their puppet government to fall. It's probably a win-win situation for both sides.
Americans don't care about democracy. If he had rigged himself in and showed he could survive a day without America, they would be fine with him; they love the Saudis just fine.
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Liberals huko watafinywa kiasi..one day mungiki will take 9ver the reigns and it will be game on
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Yes without kingdoms - getting legitimacy - would have to be some true democratic way or now Taliban islamic way. Taliban at least waves the Koran.If they concentrate on internal affairs and do not contribute to international terror...US could save face.
The double standards where it okay for Saudis to apply Sharia law but not Taliban is where they went wrong.
Americans don't care about democracy. If he had rigged himself in and showed he could survive a day without America, they would be fine with him; they love the Saudis just fine.
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The US relationship with the Taliban has improved drastically over the past few years. They basically knowingly left their puppet government to fall. It's probably a win-win situation for both sides.
Yap. Ghani was given a chance to compromise for the sake of the country but he said NO.