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Title: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: RV Pundit on August 12, 2021, 06:26:56 PM
Gakuru knew his stuff - not Njamba fake PHD gov Nyoro.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: vooke on August 12, 2021, 10:31:34 PM
That’s far fetched. Not even Russians can pull such an accident
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: RV Pundit on August 12, 2021, 11:11:17 PM
Anything is possible... esp where billions are involved.

Gachagua was deep in Moi system. Moi people said the preferred way to eliminate opponents was a road accident - few cars trail you - coordinate with oncoming lorry - then block you - leaving you with no option except hit the guard rails like Gakuru or you go flying in a ditch like Kibaki.

Earlier during the hearing, Dennis Ireri, a motor vehicle inspector with the National Transport and Safety Authority (NTSA) said the vehicle braking system was intact and in good working condition.

He said there were no skid marks at the scene of the accident at Makenji area, an indication that the driver did not try to stop the vehicle before the accident.


That’s far fetched. Not even Russians can pull such an accident
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: vooke on August 13, 2021, 07:43:56 AM
Anything is possible... esp where billions are involved.

Gachagua was deep in Moi system. Moi people said the preferred way to eliminate opponents was a road accident - few cars trail you - coordinate with oncoming lorry - then block you - leaving you with no option except hit the guard rails like Gakuru or you go flying in a ditch like Kibaki.

Earlier during the hearing, Dennis Ireri, a motor vehicle inspector with the National Transport and Safety Authority (NTSA) said the vehicle braking system was intact and in good working condition.

He said there were no skid marks at the scene of the accident at Makenji area, an indication that the driver did not try to stop the vehicle before the accident.


That’s far fetched. Not even Russians can pull such an accident

This was a dual carriage so no oncoming truck.

The driver attempted a stupid maneuver of overtaking the truck from the left as he was too impatient to follow a slow boda overtake the truck on the right lane. A slight misstep and the vehicle was impaled by the guardrail. I overtake trucks on the left on Nairobi-Nakuru Highway,and sometimes Mombasa Road but these are usually slow moving.

Skid marks are prehistoric, seldom proof of attempted braking. Even cheap Japanese mikebes seldom skid when you hit emergency brakes. Skids are caused by locked wheels. Locking wheels takes away all control of the vehicle so they prefer leaving them spinning. And in any case I assume the driver opted to maintain speed while overtaking.

The staged accidents za kina Father Keizer were too primitive and they don’t seem to have improved over Moi’s tenure
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: RV Pundit on August 13, 2021, 11:42:10 AM
Okay - let see - there is reasonable doubt to summon those guys - and for the inquest.
Anything is possible... esp where billions are involved.

Gachagua was deep in Moi system. Moi people said the preferred way to eliminate opponents was a road accident - few cars trail you - coordinate with oncoming lorry - then block you - leaving you with no option except hit the guard rails like Gakuru or you go flying in a ditch like Kibaki.

Earlier during the hearing, Dennis Ireri, a motor vehicle inspector with the National Transport and Safety Authority (NTSA) said the vehicle braking system was intact and in good working condition.

He said there were no skid marks at the scene of the accident at Makenji area, an indication that the driver did not try to stop the vehicle before the accident.


That’s far fetched. Not even Russians can pull such an accident

This was a dual carriage so no oncoming truck.

The driver attempted a stupid maneuver of overtaking the truck from the left as he was too impatient to follow a slow boda overtake the truck on the right lane. A slight misstep and the vehicle was impaled by the guardrail. I overtake trucks on the left on Nairobi-Nakuru Highway,and sometimes Mombasa Road but these are usually slow moving.

Skid marks are prehistoric, seldom proof of attempted braking. Even cheap Japanese mikebes seldom skid when you hit emergency brakes. Skids are caused by locked wheels. Locking wheels takes away all control of the vehicle so they prefer leaving them spinning. And in any case I assume the driver opted to maintain speed while overtaking.

The staged accidents za kina Father Keizer were too primitive and they don’t seem to have improved over Moi’s tenure
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: Kadudu on August 13, 2021, 11:50:05 AM
Rigathi Gachagua is a big time thief, but this sounds weird to me. Too much speculation. Not sure if Gachagua is so clever. There has to be more clues pointing at the suspects before summoning them for a hearing. Speculation and rumours are not enough.

Okay - let see - there is reasonable doubt to summon those guys - and for the inquest.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 13, 2021, 05:17:05 PM
Anything is possible... esp where billions are involved.

Gachagua was deep in Moi system. Moi people said the preferred way to eliminate opponents was a road accident - few cars trail you - coordinate with oncoming lorry - then block you - leaving you with no option except hit the guard rails like Gakuru or you go flying in a ditch like Kibaki.

Earlier during the hearing, Dennis Ireri, a motor vehicle inspector with the National Transport and Safety Authority (NTSA) said the vehicle braking system was intact and in good working condition.

He said there were no skid marks at the scene of the accident at Makenji area, an indication that the driver did not try to stop the vehicle before the accident.


That’s far fetched. Not even Russians can pull such an accident

This was a dual carriage so no oncoming truck.

The driver attempted a stupid maneuver of overtaking the truck from the left as he was too impatient to follow a slow boda overtake the truck on the right lane. A slight misstep and the vehicle was impaled by the guardrail. I overtake trucks on the left on Nairobi-Nakuru Highway,and sometimes Mombasa Road but these are usually slow moving.

Skid marks are prehistoric, seldom proof of attempted braking. Even cheap Japanese mikebes seldom skid when you hit emergency brakes. Skids are caused by locked wheels. Locking wheels takes away all control of the vehicle so they prefer leaving them spinning. And in any case I assume the driver opted to maintain speed while overtaking.

The staged accidents za kina Father Keizer were too primitive and they don’t seem to have improved over Moi’s tenure

To kill Gakuru the way he died, his driver would have to know about that railing, the exact speed and angle to hit it, without putting himself in harms way.  Not likely.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: RV Pundit on August 13, 2021, 05:27:15 PM
He had no driver. He was driving himself. Obviously if you want to kill someone like him - you have people inside - telling you - he is going to nairobi tomorrow - probably a watchman - telling you ndio huyo anatoka - then you trail him with one or two cars - looking for the best spot to induce the accident.

Where would be the best spot - a ditch that would send him flying - a rock - or barrier like that - that he would hit with such impact.

What to do next is to block him - from behind - and from the side - and have him side railed - so two cars at minimum would be required to finish him off. One blocking the rear - and other to sharply turn into his lane - to avoid hiting the intruding car - and to avoid being hit from behind- you dont break - you go for the rail - and kill yourself.

To kill Gakuru the way he died, his driver would have to know about that railing, the exact speed and angle to hit it, without putting himself in harms way.  Not likely.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: RV Pundit on August 13, 2021, 05:39:41 PM
He was actually being driven.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: RV Pundit on August 13, 2021, 05:40:42 PM
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-29-gakuruss-driver-was-speeding-witnesses-tell-inquest/
He said the Mercedes, chase car and canter were all on the right side and the Mercedes Benz driver tried to overtake the canter from the left side but said at no point did the canter hit the Mercedes.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: vooke on August 14, 2021, 12:43:54 AM
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-29-gakuruss-driver-was-speeding-witnesses-tell-inquest/
He said the Mercedes, chase car and canter were all on the right side and the Mercedes Benz driver tried to overtake the canter from the left side but said at no point did the canter hit the Mercedes.

The grammar in that article is atrocious.

I don’t think the canter was on the right. If it was then that would have left the left/outer lane clear, and if it were clear there’s no reason for the Benz to have veered off an empty lane and onto the guardrail. That particular section has very wide lanes, and shoulders ample enough to fit an extra vehicle before you get to the guardrails. The driver was trying to overtake on the shoulder right next to the guardrail.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2021, 01:13:57 AM
So this just at entry of I guess of dual carriage - after Kenol. I have driven there so many times from embu; it like folks who had been hard pressed in traffic all the way from Makutano to Maguyu to Kenol; suddenly everyone step on the gas; seem on this particular case; there was a chase car; and gov Mercedes all trying to overtake a canter'...the usual nonsense of chase car trying to tail gate the governor car. So Mercedes might have gone for extra space on the left - and the chase car overtook on the right?

After having had two near-death accidents; 2009 and 2012; I drive my car very slowly; I rarely go past 80-100kms. Never beyond that. In 2008-2010 I used to hit 190 - even 200kms, especially in Narok. I was crazy. I had this VW passat that could really hit the road. And I had an idiot of a brother who was cheering me all the way.

Then I crashed in Mombasa road - VW written off - and bought a toyota - then also crashed btw a lorry, KBS bus and a matatu; but in all the case I was always belted up; I lost 40K clean money I had withdrawn in my first crash to the matatu who rescued me :) - I saw them take my money and leave - in both case - I thought I was dead only to be awoken - gari inachomeka - the other one I was was just getting banged from all angles- somehow my seat move to the center of the car.

Drive Slowly.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-29-gakuruss-driver-was-speeding-witnesses-tell-inquest/
He said the Mercedes, chase car and canter were all on the right side and the Mercedes Benz driver tried to overtake the canter from the left side but said at no point did the canter hit the Mercedes.

The grammar in that article is atrocious.

I don’t think the canter was on the right. If it was then that would have left the left/outer lane clear, and if it were clear there’s no reason for the Benz to have veered off an empty lane and onto the guardrail. That particular section has very wide lanes, and shoulders ample enough to fit an extra vehicle before you get to the guardrails. The driver was trying to overtake on the shoulder right next to the guardrail.
Title: Re: Was the brilliant economist Gakuru killed by Gachagua and Kahiga?
Post by: vooke on August 15, 2021, 09:43:17 AM
So this just at entry of I guess of dual carriage - after Kenol. I have driven there so many times from embu; it like folks who had been hard pressed in traffic all the way from Makutano to Maguyu to Kenol; suddenly everyone step on the gas; seem on this particular case; there was a chase car; and gov Mercedes all trying to overtake a canter'...the usual nonsense of chase car trying to tail gate the governor car. So Mercedes might have gone for extra space on the left - and the chase car overtook on the right?

After having had two near-death accidents; 2009 and 2012; I drive my car very slowly; I rarely go past 80-100kms. Never beyond that. In 2008-2010 I used to hit 190 - even 200kms, especially in Narok. I was crazy. I had this VW passat that could really hit the road. And I had an idiot of a brother who was cheering me all the way.

Then I crashed in Mombasa road - VW written off - and bought a toyota - then also crashed btw a lorry, KBS bus and a matatu; but in all the case I was always belted up; I lost 40K clean money I had withdrawn in my first crash to the matatu who rescued me :) - I saw them take my money and leave - in both case - I thought I was dead only to be awoken - gari inachomeka - the other one I was was just getting banged from all angles- somehow my seat move to the center of the car.

Drive Slowly.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-29-gakuruss-driver-was-speeding-witnesses-tell-inquest/
He said the Mercedes, chase car and canter were all on the right side and the Mercedes Benz driver tried to overtake the canter from the left side but said at no point did the canter hit the Mercedes.

The grammar in that article is atrocious.

I don’t think the canter was on the right. If it was then that would have left the left/outer lane clear, and if it were clear there’s no reason for the Benz to have veered off an empty lane and onto the guardrail. That particular section has very wide lanes, and shoulders ample enough to fit an extra vehicle before you get to the guardrails. The driver was trying to overtake on the shoulder right next to the guardrail.

That’s the place, and that’s the feeling. After the punishing hills and slow bellies from Makutano to Kenol which force you to drive up in a convoy you want to unleash the beast. They say the section is slippery but I think that’s because idiots overspeed and keep skidding off. I’d say the section has gentle bends.

The driver’s statement is of course unreliable because his ass is on the line. He never admitted to overlapping.

And you’re right. Speeding in Kenya is a death wish.