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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nowayhaha on June 29, 2021, 03:34:13 PM

Title: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 29, 2021, 03:34:13 PM

Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 29, 2021, 04:18:59 PM
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on June 29, 2021, 07:19:22 PM
Orengo has total lost - he spent the afternoon saying constitution did not come from Wanjiku :)
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2021, 12:16:07 PM
IEBC should disbanded.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: gout on June 30, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
It is embarrassing -  the deep shit should have ordered SK and Gideon not to air the proceedings.

Lawyers must be the most absurd profesonololos as Apostle Nga'ng'a would call them.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Kichwa on June 30, 2021, 01:44:32 PM
There is absolutely no way the superior courts ruling can be sustained.  The theories that the lower court used to kill BBI has completely been dismantled. 1) There is no eternity clause in the Kenyan constitution which explicitly forbids amending any sections of that constitution. 2) There is absolutely no basis to apply the theory of  basic structure in Kenya even when the judges themselves cannot explicitly state which those basic structures are.  Last but no least, what the superior court defined as an initiative by the president is actually legally better defined as a suggestion.  Popular initiative means the collection of one million signatures . Mambo Kwisha. There is NO WAY the lower courts ruling can be legally be sustained.

Orengo has total lost - he spent the afternoon saying constitution did not come from Wanjiku :)
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2021, 01:59:26 PM
Absolutely no way the appeal can jump 20 barriers enacted on their way. They have to be world class hurdlers.

The first big hurdle of course is the basic structure and the power of the constituent assembly - that is mainly academic exercise.

Let say you managed to jump that big hurdle...it 50-50 there coz it pure advisory kind of case...then process start...19 hurdles to go.

1) Hurdle No 1 - BBI was never drafted in Kiswahili :) - and it not contested in the appeal.

Article 7 of the constitution.

National, official and other languages.
7. (1) The national language of the Republic is Kiswahili.
(2) The official languages of the Republic are Kiswahili and
English.
(3) The State shall—
(a) promote and protect the diversity of language of the people of
Kenya; and Constitution of Kenya, 2010 15
(b) promote the development and use of indigenous languages,
Kenyan Sign language, Braille and other communication
formats and technologies accessible to persons with
disabilities.

And there are 19 more hurdles.

3) IEBC verified signatures in 5 days including the weekend - and only published it on their website. Their own regulation - normally 2 weeks - although for election - it normally is 30 days for people to verify their details.

Kichwa there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY BBI will  recover.

Least of course - it target the Judiciary - the same judges!


There is absolutely no way the superior courts ruling can be sustained.  The theories that the lower court used to kill BBI has completely been dismantled. 1) There is no eternity clause in the Kenyan constitution which explicitly forbids amending any sections of that constitution. 2) There is absolutely no basis to apply the theory of  basic structure in Kenya even when the judges themselves cannot explicitly state which those basic structures are.  Last but no least, what the superior court defined as an initiative by the president is actually legally better defined as a suggestion.  Popular initiative means the collection of one million signatures . Mambo Kwisha. There is NO WAY the lower courts ruling can be legally be sustained.

Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Kichwa on June 30, 2021, 03:00:26 PM
Those are minor issues.  The most important thing is that the Ruling will be overturned and then BBI becomes a very potent political tool. The whole idea is to find a formidable vehicle to capture the 2022 presidency.  A win here even without the actually implementation of BBI before 2022 can be effectively be used to put together a formidable coalition with the promise to implement BBI after the elections.


Absolutely no way the appeal can jump 20 barriers enacted on their way. They have to be world class hurdlers.

The first big hurdle of course is the basic structure and the power of the constituent assembly - that is mainly academic exercise.

Let say you managed to jump that big hurdle...it 50-50 there coz it pure advisory kind of case...then process start...19 hurdles to go.

1) Hurdle No 1 - BBI was never drafted in Kiswahili :) - and it not contested in the appeal.

Article 7 of the constitution.

National, official and other languages.
7. (1) The national language of the Republic is Kiswahili.
(2) The official languages of the Republic are Kiswahili and
English.
(3) The State shall—
(a) promote and protect the diversity of language of the people of
Kenya; and Constitution of Kenya, 2010 15
(b) promote the development and use of indigenous languages,
Kenyan Sign language, Braille and other communication
formats and technologies accessible to persons with
disabilities.

And there are 19 more hurdles.

3) IEBC verified signatures in 5 days including the weekend - and only published it on their website. Their own regulation - normally 2 weeks - although for election - it normally is 30 days for people to verify their details.

Kichwa there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY BBI will  recover.

Least of course - it target the Judiciary - the same judges!


There is absolutely no way the superior courts ruling can be sustained.  The theories that the lower court used to kill BBI has completely been dismantled. 1) There is no eternity clause in the Kenyan constitution which explicitly forbids amending any sections of that constitution. 2) There is absolutely no basis to apply the theory of  basic structure in Kenya even when the judges themselves cannot explicitly state which those basic structures are.  Last but no least, what the superior court defined as an initiative by the president is actually legally better defined as a suggestion.  Popular initiative means the collection of one million signatures . Mambo Kwisha. There is NO WAY the lower courts ruling can be legally be sustained.

Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2021, 03:28:39 PM
Best of luck :) - you better have plan B otherwise Ruto continues to sleepwalk to PORK.
Those are minor issues.  The most important thing is that the Ruling will be overturned and then BBI becomes a very potent political tool. The whole idea is to find a formidable vehicle to capture the 2022 presidency.  A win here even without the actually implementation of BBI before 2022 can be effectively be used to put together a formidable coalition with the promise to implement BBI after the elections.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 30, 2021, 06:55:15 PM
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 30, 2021, 06:57:33 PM
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on June 30, 2021, 07:12:06 PM
Both Raila and Uhuru should be surcharged for public expenditure including 2m grants to 2000mcas as a bribe to pass BBI. That is 4B kshs.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on June 30, 2021, 07:24:37 PM

This thing will come to bite Uhuru larticularly



Both Raila and Uhuru should be surcharged for public expenditure including 2m grants to 2000mcas as a bribe to pass BBI. That is 4B kshs.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 01, 2021, 09:28:06 AM


Uhuru is a funny man.

Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2021, 11:02:57 AM
Raila is wasting time with BBI :) - Now the defence are tearing apart their weak position
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2021, 12:08:43 PM
The young lady has shredded BBI into smithereens.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2021, 12:19:48 PM
COA should in the interest of judicial economy; dismiss the appeal with contempt it deserve;
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2021, 01:27:36 PM
Unpopular with kenyans
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-01-only-19percent-of-kenyans-would-vote-yes-in-bbi-referendum-survey/
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 01, 2021, 01:50:27 PM

Only Luo Nyanza are in support of it. You notice how Presidential Opinion polls went in the thin air once Raila support withered.

Unpopular with kenyans
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-01-only-19percent-of-kenyans-would-vote-yes-in-bbi-referendum-survey/
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2021, 01:54:14 PM
Yes :( pollster afraid to offend the deep state with open secret that Ruto is unassailable.

Only Luo Nyanza are in support of it. You notice how Presidential Opinion polls went in the thin air once Raila support withered.

Unpopular with kenyans
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-01-only-19percent-of-kenyans-would-vote-yes-in-bbi-referendum-survey/
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 01, 2021, 01:58:49 PM

All in all we can see from this poll the Anti Raila votes stronghold

Central and North Eastern lead in Anti Raila voting
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R62HoK3dFG-anWO5ba4TXR3X3TTZXLmMXrvIshFJsdPzXvZkMsYFF8SHL6L87IYzT0n1966AzJTAl0VrjOZ4EsDvapBsct8uBBSDuvFzrw=s750)

Yes :( pollster afraid to offend the deep state with open secret that Ruto is unassailable.

Only Luo Nyanza are in support of it. You notice how Presidential Opinion polls went in the thin air once Raila support withered.

Unpopular with kenyans
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-01-only-19percent-of-kenyans-would-vote-yes-in-bbi-referendum-survey/
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2021, 02:06:10 PM
Remove OKOA from anti-Raila - who are still pro-BBI and you realize - he Ruto is unbeatable. I don't see how Raila can become opposition ticket - the plan is simple - Uhuru and gideon will put in a corner - and force him to back MaDVD. MaDVD is the dream proxy for any dynasty. Will Raila accept - sioni - he might actually cut a deal with Ruto instead for nusu mkeka ingine. But deal has to be secret pact coz Raila repels gema votes like nobody.Anybody who fear Ruto - will shake like a leaf when faced with odinga - for Ruto is a refined Raila. So no way somebody like Uhuru can swap Ruto for Raila. Hiyo ni transparent game kama BBI.


All in all we can see from this poll the Anti Raila votes stronghold

Central and North Eastern lead in Anti Raila voting
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R62HoK3dFG-anWO5ba4TXR3X3TTZXLmMXrvIshFJsdPzXvZkMsYFF8SHL6L87IYzT0n1966AzJTAl0VrjOZ4EsDvapBsct8uBBSDuvFzrw=s750)

Yes :( pollster afraid to offend the deep state with open secret that Ruto is unassailable.

Only Luo Nyanza are in support of it. You notice how Presidential Opinion polls went in the thin air once Raila support withered.

Unpopular with kenyans
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-01-only-19percent-of-kenyans-would-vote-yes-in-bbi-referendum-survey/
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Kichwa on July 01, 2021, 02:44:38 PM
The court of appeal will overturn the superior court ruling on Justiciability, allow BBI to go to referendum and pass before the matter is ripe for hearing.  The courts should not interfere with a political process until its over.  The referendum may not have passed and all this would be unnecessary.

Yes :( pollster afraid to offend the deep state with open secret that Ruto is unassailable.

Only Luo Nyanza are in support of it. You notice how Presidential Opinion polls went in the thin air once Raila support withered.

Unpopular with kenyans
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-01-only-19percent-of-kenyans-would-vote-yes-in-bbi-referendum-survey/
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Kichwa on July 01, 2021, 03:12:18 PM
Of course in your mind, Ruto is always unassailable.

Yes :( pollster afraid to offend the deep state with open secret that Ruto is unassailable.

Only Luo Nyanza are in support of it. You notice how Presidential Opinion polls went in the thin air once Raila support withered.

Unpopular with kenyans
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-07-01-only-19percent-of-kenyans-would-vote-yes-in-bbi-referendum-survey/
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2021, 03:16:37 PM
Chance of that happening is NIL :)  The sooner you Raila folks do two things the better for you in 2022
1) Accept BBI is dead - buried - 5 judges at superior court cannot be wrong - in 20 counts. That is 5 times 20. That is 100 counts. You expect 7 judges to overturn such? They may overtun 1 out of 20 counts...and BBI would still be dead as dodo. In fact the only 50-50 is Basic Structure - otherwise processwise it kaput kaput. That is ignoring the fact the Judiciary itself is the MAIN target of the same BBI and judges have found perfect opportunity to protect themselves for eternity almost :)  - golden chance to secure judicial independence for a long time.
2) Accept Uhuru is playing Raila.
Once you do those two things.
1) Revamp ODM and hope to become no 2 - and for Ruto to fail to nick 50% in first round. Then play for 2nd round.
2) Fold camp, stop stressing yourselves, and retire Raila for  the bumbling idiot he is, and support OBADO :)
3) Support Ruto or OKOA - and cut a small deal for 3 ministers
The court of appeal will overturn the superior court ruling on Justiciability, allow BBI to go to referendum and pass before the matter is ripe for hearing.  The courts should not interfere with a political process until its over.  The referendum may not have passed and all this would be unnecessary.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: Nowayhaha on July 02, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
Khaminwa  doiing his thing. In 2008 interacted with him , a brilliant Guy
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 02, 2021, 11:33:32 AM
Khaminiwa - Do not listen to rogue Uhuru
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 02, 2021, 11:52:36 AM
Khanimiwa - this constitution is unammendable.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: gout on July 02, 2021, 12:08:42 PM
This BBI is turning into a great thing. A forum to call out ufool personally. It is a great start. He had everything going for a supreme leader.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 02, 2021, 12:59:16 PM
The more he appeal; the more he exposes himself for ridicule; and the more he invite the judiciary to pass judgement on his legacy.
This BBI is turning into a great thing. A forum to call out ufool personally. It is a great start. He had everything going for a supreme leader.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: audacityofhope on July 02, 2021, 04:16:16 PM
The Audacity of Hope .....

?s=20
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 02, 2021, 06:20:16 PM
20th August is the COA - ruling.
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 03, 2021, 09:00:12 AM
- Alouchier from Rongo pretty impressive for a non-legal
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: RV Pundit on July 03, 2021, 09:21:30 AM
Alouchier - an exemplary citizen.

"The Government was set to protect man from criminals, and the Constitution was written to protect man from the Government"
Title: Re: BBI Cases In Progress
Post by: vooke on July 04, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
Justin Muturi is onto something. They know BBI is very dead

IEBC Budget is for 2022 elections and nothing else.