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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Omollo on June 16, 2021, 11:19:49 AM

Title: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Omollo on June 16, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
Uhuru kenyatta shouldn't spend sleepless nights worrying about his legacy. Such things like water find their own way and level. Take onions for example:

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Yet if there's a product Kenya excels in production it's the onion. So many now going bad in farms in Bungoma & transnzoia having lost the competition against Chinese.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Dear Mami on June 16, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
I saw a somewhat similar report on France24 but it was Zambia and the chicken market. The govt responded with protectionist laws to shield their local farmers and markets from the Chinese producers and businessmen. We should do the same. We identify markets where we simply do not allow foreigners to come in and overwhelm our local producers.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Kadudu on June 16, 2021, 12:21:15 PM
I really wonder what African leaders are doing when such commodities like onions which can be grown locally have to be imported from China. Even importing them form neighbouring countries would make more sense than this.
I pressume the importers do not pay custom duty and hence able to import cheaply to be able to compete with lcoally produced onions.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: RV Pundit on June 16, 2021, 12:41:19 PM
Farmers should be protected but more importantly we have to improve our productivity; unless China is dumping; our productivity is very low;

Solution-  fertilizers.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on June 16, 2021, 04:05:59 PM
As we stated before the dragon will come for its pound of flesh in due time. China already decimated the local manufacturing industry, now they will destroy our last viable industry - agriculture. While it sycophants sings it praises it is systematically disassembling the local economy.

Where is that miscreant bat soup loving china fangirl, dear mami? Look at your people. Shenzi type.

Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Dear Mami on June 16, 2021, 04:53:45 PM
Where is that miscreant bat soup loving china fangirl, dear mami? Look at your people. Shenzi type.
It's not China, it's Chinese immigrants. Yaani, individual people. The problem is your govt not supporting or protecting your farmers or upholding its laws. Chinese govt doesn't feature anywhere. I'd refer you to the France24 discussion re Zambia if I had hopes you'd nyita, but you are a genuine specimen of a silly human being. I mean, you literally would die if your life depended on your working things out logically.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Wa Njambi on June 16, 2021, 05:56:41 PM
Fyi - When loocking at anything China/Zambia, always keep in mind that China and Zambia have a relationship that is far different from that of China and any other country in Africa and perhaps the world. Their relationship goes back to Independence day of Zambia and is deep rooted. That is why we hear of China taking over this or that in Zambia.

I saw a somewhat similar report on France24 but it was Zambia and the chicken market. The govt responded with protectionist laws to shield their local farmers and markets from the Chinese producers and businessmen. We should do the same. We identify markets where we simply do not allow foreigners to come in and overwhelm our local producers.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Georgesoros on June 16, 2021, 08:55:03 PM
You mean Kenya doesnt have farmers?
How did this happen?
Don't they need a licence to import?
Too many questions.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: RV Pundit on June 16, 2021, 09:05:52 PM
WTO - why is it big deal when get onions from China - while we import oranges and many such things from South Africa and Egypt.
The problem is low productivity.
Short term is to protect farmers? But where are Onion farmers - every know it's mostly got from Tanzania.

Protect the farmer. Punish the consumers who have to buy expensive food. Dicey.

Best is to tell our farmers the truth. If planting onions is a problem - plant avacados or something we can be competitive.

You mean Kenya doesnt have farmers?
How did this happen?
Don't they need a licence to import?
Too many questions.
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: Omollo on June 17, 2021, 06:16:56 AM
Kenyan entrepreneurs should exploit it. They can buy equipment from Alibaba and start making whiskey from the onions. They'll make very high quality whiskeys at a sinfully low cost.

They can also replace the molasses plant by supplying breweries. Of course Uhuru Kenyatta will send KRA to demand taxes they allegedly failed to pay just before the 2nd World War broke out
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: gout on June 18, 2021, 03:05:34 PM
Farmers should use their land for what is profitable. Onions are uneconomical crop. A kilo barely goes past 40 per kilo farm gate rarely breaking even. Requires intense irrigation, fertilizer, spraying, harvesting costs, drying.

A genuine land audit would help but it is impractical given vested interests by the powerful land grabbers. Such an audit would show how we are using our land - what crops, irrigation trends.  With all the productive and properly rainfed areas being colonized by uneconomical crops the useless angst will continue unless people go Kiambu way- what is making you money not sentimental agriculture. 
Title: Re: Another Kenyatta Legacy: China Floods Kenya With Onions
Post by: RV Pundit on June 18, 2021, 03:53:21 PM
Precisely. We need the same courage WSR faced his people and told them - Maize farming has no future - just plant avacados and name it - our farmers should transition to high value crops - avacado alone can earn us 10B dollars in export in 10yrs - and employ a lot more in whole value chain.

Some of these things - you cannot beat temperate countries - wheat, maize, sugar-cane - we should just delete them - and focus on really high intensive high value crops - and livestock production - that require a lot of human labour - and that cannot be easily auomated - and that grow during winter season of the developed world.

High value, Intensive Labour and Not grown in a temperate climate should be our niche. Horticulture, Dairy, Nuts, Beef, such kind of things.

Farmers should use their land for what is profitable. Onions are uneconomical crop. A kilo barely goes past 40 per kilo farm gate rarely breaking even. Requires intense irrigation, fertilizer, spraying, harvesting costs, drying.

A genuine land audit would help but it is impractical given vested interests by the powerful land grabbers. Such an audit would show how we are using our land - what crops, irrigation trends.  With all the productive and properly rainfed areas being colonized by uneconomical crops the useless angst will continue unless people go Kiambu way- what is making you money not sentimental agriculture.