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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 04:39:41 PM

Title: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 04:39:41 PM
Uhuru is basically breaking all the laws and leveraging opposition. The entire opposition knows Ruto is the man to beat and have all ganged up against him.

The only silver lining is majority of Jubilee members are still with him.

But for how long will he keep the majority of GEMA? That is a tough part.

So he is basically walking on GEMA eggs while Uhuru is kicking him on his balls and opposition is cheering him on.

Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: patel on May 11, 2020, 05:10:31 PM
For how long? Uhuru has govt machinery that can crush any resistance within a day or 2, max. Let them consult Waititu. Wembe ni ule ule.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2020, 05:58:05 PM
Ruto has done it against a retiring Moi - can he do that against a retiring GEMA president in GEMA? That is big one. We need the BBI referendum. It probable doable if Ruto can insist a revolution but the likes of Mwangi Kiunjuri are lost in the wind.
For how long? Uhuru has govt machinery that can crush any resistance within a day or 2, max. Let them consult Waititu. Wembe ni ule ule.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 11, 2020, 11:47:23 PM
Ruto has never had GEMA except mlolongo MPs. Tangatanga are propaganda experts. Like the lie that Ruto has NEC - nope he doesn’t. You just need to check the JP katiba on who is NEC - and out of 37 members 22 are reps of the merged parties.

I don’t even believe Murkomen and Kihika stories about senators being airlifted from Isiolo ... why can’t they Zoom in? It reasonable in COVID era. Tomorrow I expect Lusaka to review list of attendees and approve the changes. Pundit please show us what laws Uhuru has violated. Specifically not innuendo.

No, Ruto has never controlled GEMA except through mlolongo ukora that has landed him in a ditch. No party, no 50-50, no GEMA. No PORK!
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 11, 2020, 11:50:26 PM
Today settles our long-running tussle on who between Ruto and Raila was being played. No?

I lost the BBI one... but my excuse is COVID-19 which is global pandemic. Force majeure. Your excuse is what- Enugu :D :D
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: gout on May 12, 2020, 05:41:15 AM
Wanjohi got all the money. With everything stopped he must have spent the night bribing the senators under Covid 19 votehead without pesky from the Auditor General. Those toeing the line do not have to live within curfew constraints - you are being airlifted to state house parties, can have all media invites, can hold rallies.

For how long? Uhuru has govt machinery that can crush any resistance within a day or 2, max. Let them consult Waititu. Wembe ni ule ule.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 06:14:31 AM
We don't know Uhuru gameplan yet. So Raila having won is clearly delusional. We are not in 2022 August. What is clear is the fallout btw Ruto and Uhuru is now final.
Today settles our long-running tussle on who between Ruto and Raila was being played. No?

I lost the BBI one... but my excuse is COVID-19 which is global pandemic. Force majeure. Your excuse is what- Enugu :D :D
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 01:02:58 PM
Can we say the same about BBI - it not yet time to seal its fate?

We don't know Uhuru gameplan yet. So Raila having won is clearly delusional. We are not in 2022 August. What is clear is the fallout btw Ruto and Uhuru is now final.
Today settles our long-running tussle on who between Ruto and Raila was being played. No?

I lost the BBI one... but my excuse is COVID-19 which is global pandemic. Force majeure. Your excuse is what- Enugu :D :D
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 01:14:34 PM
Unless Uhuru is willing to break every law possible - then changing the constitution now is very hard - but he might attempt. At this point, Uhuru is capable of anything.  BBI like everything in kenya is short-term political interest. It all depends on long how Uhuru can keep Raila fooled. If Raila figures out Uhuru is up to no good - he can finish Uhuru now - because Uhuru is very vulnerable now. All it would take to crush his gov is for Ruto and Raila to merge against him.

Right now Raila is the King. Uhuru needs him. Ruto will need him soon. Kenya politics now revolve around the 3. Each has roughly 30% of core support - and rest share 10% - Kalonzo has 7% and maDVD has 3%.

Can we say the same about BBI - it not yet time to seal its fate?
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
Unless Uhuru is willing to break every law possible - then changing the constitution now is very hard - but he might attempt. At this point, Uhuru is capable of anything.  BBI like everything in kenya is short-term political interest. It all depends on long how Uhuru can keep Raila fooled. If Raila figures out Uhuru is up to no good - he can finish Uhuru now - because Uhuru is very vulnerable now. All it would take to crush his gov is for Ruto and Raila to merge against him.

Right now Raila is the King. Uhuru needs him. Ruto will need him soon. Kenya politics now revolve around the 3. Each has roughly 30% of core support - and rest share 10% - Kalonzo has 7% and maDVD has 3%.

Which specific laws has Uhuru violated? Please list them we rebut. Lusaka just concurred with Uhuru on Senate leadership changes - noting specifically all procedures were followed. Murkomen threw a fete worse than Orengo usually does. :)

About who needs who I guess it depends on your perspective and intentions :) Raila clocking 80 has very narrow window to be PORK - unlike Ruto - and he is in the BEST POSITION EVER after meticulously executing Trojan 2. He would be very stupid to rattle the cage now. Sorry it ain't happening.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 01:32:37 PM
Murkomen, Kihika’s fate sealed as Speaker effects Jubilee changes
https://www.kbc.co.ke/murkomen-kihikas-fate-sealed-as-speaker-effects-jubilee-changes/
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 01:38:25 PM
Senate Speaker Ken Lusaka approves Jubilee leadership changes
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 01:41:53 PM
Murkomen tantrums on being sacked by Uhuru


Murkomen trashes State House meeting, challenges President Uhuru
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: patel on May 12, 2020, 01:50:56 PM
Uhuru should crush Murconmen once for all and put him out of misery. Let him account for his corruptly acquired wealth.

Murkomen tantrums on being sacked by Uhuru


Murkomen trashes State House meeting, challenges President Uhuru
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 12, 2020, 01:55:52 PM
Uhuru should crush Murconmen once for all and put him out of misery. Let him account for his corruptly acquired wealth.

Murkomen tantrums on being sacked by Uhuru


Murkomen trashes State House meeting, challenges President Uhuru
Uhuru fears ruto, instead of going straight at him he goes for  Ruto handlers.... What Ruto needs now is to entangle clueless uhuru with them and watch him burnout
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 02:14:34 PM
I revise that. Uhuru has never broken any law. And Raila is our next PORK. The likelihood of that happening is now high - because  Uhuru and Ruto are going to tear Jubilee apart - and Raila can pick pieces - if either doesn't endorse him.

Ruto first business is to herd his folks into a new party - Hussle movement - the next business is to figure out how big the movement is - and then make a deal.

So while Keeping Jubilee divorce nasty and all that - he needs to have Murkomen and Kihikas - start a "new" party - and strike it now.

As for Raila -  he should try get something out of Uhuru the next two years - if he is smart - he'd go for Ruto 50% because he has big leverage NOW. All he need to fix Uhuru is to show up with Murkomen somewhere - and Uhuru will run with 50% to thim.

He can even get 70% of Jubilee Gov if he is smart. At this point Uhuru  cannot run the gov without ODM basically.

But if he is a fool - he will go for two ministers :)  At least Ruto did very well coming this far - coz Ruto knows how to negotiate.

Which specific laws has Uhuru violated? Please list them we rebut. Lusaka just concurred with Uhuru on Senate leadership changes - noting specifically all procedures were followed. Murkomen threw a fete worse than Orengo usually does. :)

About who needs who I guess it depends on your perspective and intentions :) Raila clocking 80 has very narrow window to be PORK - unlike Ruto - and he is in the BEST POSITION EVER after meticulously executing Trojan 2. He would be very stupid to rattle the cage now. Sorry it ain't happening.

Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 12, 2020, 02:45:05 PM
As a Raila supporter I see it very differently. The stars are lined up for Raila - any tantrums, demands, photo ops with Murkomen :) - would be wrong moves. He should accept 2 ministers, few CAS, parastatals, etc - and continue to fiercely hammer Ruto and defend Uhuru and GoK.

Thankfully Raila is too smart to take your self- serving advice.

I revise that. Uhuru has never broken any law. And Raila is our next PORK. The likelihood of that happening is now high - because  Uhuru and Ruto are going to tear Jubilee apart - and Raila can pick pieces - if either doesn't endorse him.

Ruto first business is to herd his folks into a new party - Hussle movement - the next business is to figure out how big the movement is - and then make a deal.

So while Keeping Jubilee divorce nasty and all that - he needs to have Murkomen and Kihikas - start a "new" party - and strike it now.

As for Raila -  he should try get something out of Uhuru the next two years - if he is smart - he'd go for Ruto 50% because he has big leverage NOW. All he need to fix Uhuru is to show up with Murkomen somewhere - and Uhuru will run with 50% to thim.

He can even get 70% of Jubilee Gov if he is smart. At this point Uhuru  cannot run the gov without ODM basically.

But if he is a fool - he will go for two ministers :)  At least Ruto did very well coming this far - coz Ruto knows how to negotiate.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
You're not smart but emotional.

He should hedge his bets - get 50% and then become 'loyal' and attack Ruto - aka defend his gok - because he then would have a stake in it.

When Ruto wanted a deal with Mama Ngina and his boy - he went to see Raila - and Uhuru came tagging along his mother - and the deal was sealed.

This is the art of negotiation.

After Raila has got 60% - of Gok - then he can now defend something he has a stake in. Heck Mbadi can make a very good finance minister with his accounting degree :)

Politics as much as its emotion - is also power and business aka money.

Why would you defend a gov when you have two probably useless CAS while Uhuru is running all critical functions.

As for Ruto - my advice - concentrate on trying to cause a revolt in GEMA - and see how much you can get. Kalenjin have to hold their emotions in check because of one wrong move - and Uhuru will get GEMA.

Ruto should avoid attacking Uhuru - it earns him nothing now - and concentrate on attacking Raila.

He should claim Raila has bewitched Uhuru with Enugu spirits and should dynasty versus hustle - which an indirect hit on Uhuru that is also certainly a hit GEMA = undercurrents of maumau versus homeguard kind of rich boys toying with your future. For that he need kikuyu leader who can rally the cause...and Mwangi Kiunjuri time is either now or never.

As a Raila supporter I see it very differently. The stars are lined up for Raila - any tantrums, demands, photo ops with Murkomen :) - would be wrong moves. He should accept 2 ministers, few CAS, parastatals, etc - and continue to fiercely hammer Ruto and defend Uhuru and GoK.

Thankfully Raila is too smart to take your self- serving advice.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: KenyanPlato on May 12, 2020, 04:07:27 PM
The humilation of ruto is complete. Unless uhuru dies he has no path to power
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 12, 2020, 04:19:00 PM
The humilation of ruto is complete. Unless uhuru dies he has no path to power
Still no way can Uhuru emerge unscathed the destruction of His family's hegemony is at stake too. It cant be win win for Uhuru not in a real world impossible
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 04:22:33 PM
Uhuru is not doing any better. Only Raila is smiling. Uhuru now has to suck  Raila while shafting Ruto. That is how this thing works. Kenya is a country of small tribes. So nobody can be the alpha-male. It's a threesome kind of arrangement.  You're shafting someone while sucking up to someone else. They can both shaft Ruto in both holes - :) but Uhuru cannot shaft Raila now. If he tries to do that - Raila and Ruto will shaft him in both holes too.
The humilation of ruto is complete. Unless uhuru dies he has no path to power
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on May 12, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
Their is absolutely no doubt Uhuru would want to short change Raira, he possibly thinks he can hawk GEMA to Raira in exchange for PM or any other positions that currently doesn't exist and that's why they need change katiba. But Come then Ruto simply needs to endorse Raila for pork under current constitution, Wanjohi thought he is smart but he just played his last card. Ruto hasn't even began his boys are ones playing ball.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 12, 2020, 04:34:12 PM
He will start missing Ruto soon - because Ruto is a gentleman - or whatever a political class can be called. Now Raila and Kalonzo will literally hold him ransom. And of course for 2022 - that is a joke. Raila will throw out PMship the same day he becomes PORK. That is probably biggest joke in Africa now. GEMA would probably think they can shaft Kalonzo again - but that is tough.
Their is absolutely no doubt Uhuru would want to short change Raira, he possibly thinks he can hawk GEMA to Raira in exchange for PM or any other positions that currently doesn't exist and that's why they need change katiba. But Come then Ruto simply needs to endorse Raila for pork under current constitution, Wanjohi thought he is smart but he just played his last card. Ruto hasn't even began his boys are ones playing ball.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 13, 2020, 02:23:54 AM
Pundit and Tangatanga crew come srowry. Emotional is like Murkomen today basically a bizarre rumbling about Uhuru failures. I am calm and meticulous like old Raila. He just executed Trojan 2 successfully and snatched Uhuru and incumbency from Ruto. Why would he climb down the vantage point? He is not stupid to take your self- serving advice. You are our bitter rivals so your motivation is as clear as the blue sky.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 13, 2020, 02:40:13 AM
Ruto chance of bagging GEMA is now next to zero like Raila before. Both of them need Uhuru not the reverse - cause duhh Uhuru is going home while these hyenas crave PORK more than air. So expect Raila to bend over backwards until 2022 - he been at it 2 years already - with only a motorcade and fake AU job.

Raila focus is singular - bag GEMA with Uhuru endorsement. That is WAY MORE important than CS positions. GEMA of course will follow Uhuru decisive leadership. It how he got them in the first place- PEV ruthlessness and bareknuckles. How many GEMA have you seen defending Ruto? Just usual groupies - Nyoro, Ichung’wa, Gachagua, Linturi. Most GEMA voices have endorsed the axing. Only the Kalenjin bulk will join hustler movement. GEMA are goone.

Yes Ruto should do his thing - which is elephant due to contradictions. How does he attack “dynasties” while sparing Uhuru? How does he herd his crew for ultimate jump-ship from Jubilee while sparing Uhuru? How does he handle his 50 being axed and spare Uhuru? Murkomen, Sudi, Cherargei are already at it with usual insults.

You're not smart but emotional.

He should hedge his bets - get 50% and then become 'loyal' and attack Ruto - aka defend his gok - because he then would have a stake in it.

When Ruto wanted a deal with Mama Ngina and his boy - he went to see Raila - and Uhuru came tagging along his mother - and the deal was sealed.

This is the art of negotiation.

After Raila has got 60% - of Gok - then he can now defend something he has a stake in. Heck Mbadi can make a very good finance minister with his accounting degree :)

Politics as much as its emotion - is also power and business aka money.

Why would you defend a gov when you have two probably useless CAS while Uhuru is running all critical functions.

As for Ruto - my advice - concentrate on trying to cause a revolt in GEMA - and see how much you can get. Kalenjin have to hold their emotions in check because of one wrong move - and Uhuru will get GEMA.

Ruto should avoid attacking Uhuru - it earns him nothing now - and concentrate on attacking Raila.

He should claim Raila has bewitched Uhuru with Enugu spirits and should dynasty versus hustle - which an indirect hit on Uhuru that is also certainly a hit GEMA = undercurrents of maumau versus homeguard kind of rich boys toying with your future. For that he need kikuyu leader who can rally the cause...and Mwangi Kiunjuri time is either now or never.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 13, 2020, 06:38:21 AM
You're getting ahead of yourself. The battle for the GEMA soul is still on. Uhuru is going lame-duck and is very unpopular on the ground. I am not sure what an endorsement from him means. He is using brute force but with COVID-19 economic catastrophe coming along with 2022 election posturing - there is bound to fight back in GEMA.

If Raila 2022 strategy is to get Uhuru Tosha - in GEMA - then he is truly daft like you.

GEMA are no Luos who can be taken left right and center by a retiring Uhuru.

Ruto chance of bagging GEMA is now next to zero like Raila before. Both of them need Uhuru not the reverse - cause duhh Uhuru is going home while these hyenas crave PORK more than air. So expect Raila to bend over backwards until 2022 - he been at it 2 years already - with only a motorcade and fake AU job.

Raila focus is singular - bag GEMA with Uhuru endorsement. That is WAY MORE important than CS positions. GEMA of course will follow Uhuru decisive leadership. It how he got them in the first place- PEV ruthlessness and bareknuckles. How many GEMA have you seen defending Ruto? Just usual groupies - Nyoro, Ichung’wa, Gachagua, Linturi. Most GEMA voices have endorsed the axing. Only the Kalenjin bulk will join hustler movement. GEMA are goone.

Yes Ruto should do his thing - which is elephant due to contradictions. How does he attack “dynasties” while sparing Uhuru? How does he herd his crew for ultimate jump-ship from Jubilee while sparing Uhuru? How does he handle his 50 being axed and spare Uhuru? Murkomen, Sudi, Cherargei are already at it with usual insults.

You're not smart but emotional.

He should hedge his bets - get 50% and then become 'loyal' and attack Ruto - aka defend his gok - because he then would have a stake in it.

When Ruto wanted a deal with Mama Ngina and his boy - he went to see Raila - and Uhuru came tagging along his mother - and the deal was sealed.

This is the art of negotiation.

After Raila has got 60% - of Gok - then he can now defend something he has a stake in. Heck Mbadi can make a very good finance minister with his accounting degree :)

Politics as much as its emotion - is also power and business aka money.

Why would you defend a gov when you have two probably useless CAS while Uhuru is running all critical functions.

As for Ruto - my advice - concentrate on trying to cause a revolt in GEMA - and see how much you can get. Kalenjin have to hold their emotions in check because of one wrong move - and Uhuru will get GEMA.

Ruto should avoid attacking Uhuru - it earns him nothing now - and concentrate on attacking Raila.

He should claim Raila has bewitched Uhuru with Enugu spirits and should dynasty versus hustle - which an indirect hit on Uhuru that is also certainly a hit GEMA = undercurrents of maumau versus homeguard kind of rich boys toying with your future. For that he need kikuyu leader who can rally the cause...and Mwangi Kiunjuri time is either now or never.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 13, 2020, 09:26:38 AM
“Uhuru is unpopular on the ground” is Tangatanga spin. GEMA are firmly in his grip and will back his choice. Uhuru has acted purely in GEMA interest- obviously it bad for Ruto and good for Raila- but the driver is GEMA interest. I said 2 years ago it would be very foolish to allow Ruto direct hand in GEMA. Events seem to agree with me.

Let see how many of the GEMA and even larger Jubilee MPs will stick with Ruto. I predict only Kalenjin and a handful Nyoros.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 13, 2020, 10:32:13 AM
It is in GEMA interest to complete the journey with Ruto and repay their debt. The rest is courting big war that will directly affect more than 1m of their own people - and will destabilize the country. Both Ruto and Uhuru have to restrain themselves because they will get us right back to 2007 and ICC - if they decide to go hammer to hammer against each other - and make this tribal. And you're doing all this for Raila :). That has got to be crazy. Raila himself has huge axe to grind - imagine 1960s holding his father - 2002 conned after doing donkey work - and then 2007 rigged - and what he also believe were rigged 2013 and 2017 (bollox coz he lost fair n square).
“Uhuru is unpopular on the ground” is Tangatanga spin. GEMA are firmly in his grip and will back his choice. Uhuru has acted purely in GEMA interest- obviously it bad for Ruto and good for Raila- but the driver is GEMA interest. I said 2 years ago it would be very foolish to allow Ruto direct hand in GEMA. Events seem to agree with me.

Let see how many of the GEMA and even larger Jubilee MPs will stick with Ruto. I predict only Kalenjin and a handful Nyoros.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: Nefertiti on May 13, 2020, 12:10:55 PM
Pundit you been telling us about GEMA interest - clearly Uhuru and GEMA creme don’t agree with you. The evidence of their actions and intents is all over. They just hanged Ruto boy and girl in Senate. They brought Matiang’i.  They sacked Kiunjuri and propped Kagwe and Munya. They have seized the party. They have rewarded Ruto eternal rival Gideon. But instead of smelling the coffee you claim Nyoro speak for GEMA interest- or you call it Enugu witchcraft :)

Ruto is world-class backstabber who attempt to crown himself GEMA king through ukora. This was already tried before and failed in RV by Raila. Ruto needs to forget owning GEMA and wait quietly to be “repaid” :) Uhuru is already PORK so any MAD will only ruin Ruto bright future.. as Raila becomes PORK. The stars are aligned for Raila - he won’t ruin it. Ruto is de facto Kiongozi ya Upinzani 2018-2032 or 2040s. This is the reality not Enugu.
Title: Re: Poor Ruto - now between hard rock and a rock
Post by: RV Pundit on May 13, 2020, 12:20:39 PM
Uhuru has exactly two years left of PORK - and he goes home. He is not that POWERFUL. He is running a broke government. He has ONE more budget to steal.  By next year 2022 election campaign will start - and the ground game will be everything. If you're not popular in the ground - Uhuru cannot save you.

Pundit you been telling us about GEMA interest - clearly Uhuru and GEMA creme don’t agree with you. The evidence of their actions and intents is all over. They just hanged Ruto boy and girl in Senate. They brought Matiang’i.  They sacked Kiunjuri and propped Kagwe and Munya. They have seized the party. They have rewarded Ruto eternal rival Gideon. But instead of smelling the coffee you claim Nyoro speak for GEMA interest- or you call it Enugu witchcraft :)

Ruto is world-class backstabber who attempt to crown himself GEMA king through ukora. This was already tried before and failed in RV by Raila. Ruto needs to forget owning GEMA and wait quietly to be “repaid” :) Uhuru is already PORK so any MAD will only ruin Ruto bright future.. as Raila becomes PORK. The stars are aligned for Raila - he won’t ruin it. Ruto is de facto Kiongozi ya Upinzani 2018-2032 or 2040s. This is the reality not Enugu.