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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nefertiti on February 05, 2018, 11:35:02 AM
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Jacob Zuma 'refuses to resign' as South African leader despite ANC calls for him to go
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/jacob-zuma-south-africa-anc-meeting-resign-president-latest-step-down-a8194451.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/jacob-zuma-south-africa-anc-meeting-resign-president-latest-step-down-a8194451.html)
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Looks like he will be put pasture in a few days.
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Looks like he will be put pasture in a few days.
It's good for SA that the president actually gets fired for setting the poorest standards possible. He compares himself to Bob and M7 and believes he is quite OK. The man has 700+ cases pending :o
My hope is that the ANC vote is whittled down to below 50% in 2019 to cut the hubris. They have ridden the apartheid story for too long. Mbeki must be grinning.
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Zuma is going nowhere. After reading The President's Keepers by Jacques Pauw, it is quite clear Zuma has a choke hold over all key institutions -police, parliament, revenue Service, name it. Ramaphosa is just a flower girl and if he tries to bury Zuma he will be buried before he ascends to the presidency. Being a cowardly systems person Ramaphosa is not interested in a dirty wrestling with pigsty Zuma.
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Zuma is going nowhere. After reading The President's Keepers by Jacques Pauw, it is quite clear Zuma has a choke hold over all key institutions -police, parliament, revenue Service, name it. Ramaphosa is just a flower girl and if he tries to bury Zuma he will be buried before he ascends to the presidency. Being a cowardly systems person Ramaphosa is not interested in a dirty wrestling with pigsty Zuma.
RSA is a parliamentary system which makes the party leader very powerful. All it takes now is another vote of no confidence and the ANC MPs will side with the Opposition. Zuma out.
Zuma actually backed NDZ and lost; he is not that powerful. He needs to negotiate immunity and quit gracefully.
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Apart from the fact that the margin was quite close despite male dominated ANC, am quite sure Zuma hasn't given up on NDZ. Any signs that Ramaphosa can't be trusted by the Zumas will mean a vicious fight to destroy Ramaphosa giving NDZ a second chance.
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Zuma's exit might be just what South Africa needs to shake up its party politics. If ANC have losses in Kwazulu-Natal because of it, that will create a more level playing field for alternatives.
South Africa's ruling African National Congress (ANC) has formally asked President Jacob Zuma to resign, a senior party official has confirmed.
The decision to "recall" him "urgently" followed marathon talks of the ANC's top leadership body.
Mr Zuma, 75, agreed to step down, but only in the next three to six months, the official added.
Mr Zuma, who has been in power since 2009, has been dogged by corruption allegations.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-43039928 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-43039928)
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RSA is not Kenya. Zuma is out and he will be in residing in Nkandla this year. Problem here is you are exporting your Kenyan mentality to RSA.
Apart from the fact that the margin was quite close despite male dominated ANC, am quite sure Zuma hasn't given up on NDZ. Any signs that Ramaphosa can't be trusted by the Zumas will mean a vicious fight to destroy Ramaphosa giving NDZ a second chance.
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Nothing different about Mwafrika politics. It is all about stealing and keeping the loot in the family, accumulating more. Murdering anybody who comes near. Zero philosophy/ideology. Zuma is the SA Jomo- am sure if NDZ doesn't have a chance, thuggish Edward will have a chance in 10-20 years.
RSA is not Kenya. Zuma is out and he will be in residing in Nkandla this year. Problem here is you are exporting your Kenyan mentality to RSA.
Apart from the fact that the margin was quite close despite male dominated ANC, am quite sure Zuma hasn't given up on NDZ. Any signs that Ramaphosa can't be trusted by the Zumas will mean a vicious fight to destroy Ramaphosa giving NDZ a second chance.
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gout kweli. RSA is not Kenya and has high standards of accountability. The 2nd biggest economy in Africa. Despite this, the president has 700+ corruption cases :o :o This shows judicial maturity while exposing his rotten underbelly. Zuma is a heartbeat away from prison; clinging to the presidency will not save him.
Zuma will be remembered as the scumbag that degraded RSA from mzungu to mwafrika standard. You can youtube Malema for details - guy really raps him up good.
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Correction. South Africa is biggest Africa economy. Nigeria economy is bonoko.
gout kweli. RSA is not Kenya and has high standards of accountability. The 2nd biggest economy in Africa. Despite this, the president has 700+ corruption cases :o :o This shows judicial maturity while exposing his rotten underbelly. Zuma is a heartbeat away from prison; clinging to the presidency will not save him.
Zuma will be remembered as the scumbag that degraded RSA from mzungu to mwafrika standard. You can youtube Malema for details - guy really raps him up good.
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Pundit really? RSA $280B vs 405B Nigeria gdp. RSA is the most developed (HDI) and industrialized. Higher per capita too but not the absolute biggest.
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Nigeria voodo economy can only generate about the same taxes as kenya - although 90% of that is oil. Nigeria federal budget is about 30B or less - kenya 26B - RSA has 110B usd budget. Nigeria is VOODOO. Outside Oil and maybe cement sector - I don't see anything worth 405 - Egypt and South Africa are real economies.
Pundit really? RSA $280B vs 405B Nigeria gdp. RSA is the most developed (HDI) and industrialized. Higher per capita too but not the absolute biggest.
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You forgot entertaiment that is Nollywood, Niga music and churches. :D :D :D :D
Nigerians exporting their charismatic voodoo pastors and prophets allover the world. Will soon overtake oil as main foreign currency earner.
Nigeria voodo economy can only generate about the same taxes as kenya - although 90% of that is oil. Nigeria federal budget is about 30B or less - kenya 26B - RSA has 110B usd budget. Nigeria is VOODOO. Outside Oil and maybe cement sector - I don't see anything worth 405 - Egypt and South Africa are real economies.
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Nigeria voodo economy can only generate about the same taxes as kenya - although 90% of that is oil. Nigeria federal budget is about 30B or less - kenya 26B - RSA has 110B usd budget. Nigeria is VOODOO. Outside Oil and maybe cement sector - I don't see anything worth 405 - Egypt and South Africa are real economies.
Pundit really? RSA $280B vs 405B Nigeria gdp. RSA is the most developed (HDI) and industrialized. Higher per capita too but not the absolute biggest.
I think Naija economy is much bigger than the budget suggests. The tax collection and accountability are just much worse. So there is probably a lot of public money going into private hands. Naija is a major manufacturer in a small way.
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This is based on what. I'd love to see some consumption and expenditure data...that is validated..not generated by Nigeria Stats Office. The last time I checked they imported from all their 3 ports - slightly more than stuff we import in Mombasa (80% of it belong to Kenyans). I think we are doing 1m plus containers per annum in Mombasa port and they are doing about 1.5m. I'll re-check. Nigeria is for me a real voodoo economy.
I think Naija economy is much bigger than the budget suggests. The tax collection and accountability are just much worse. So there is probably a lot of public money going into private hands. Naija is a major manufacturer in a small way.
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This is based on what. I'd love to see some consumption and expenditure data...that is validated..not generated by Nigeria Stats Office. The last time I checked they imported from all their 3 ports - slightly more than stuff we import in Mombasa (80% of it belong to Kenyans). I think we are doing 1m plus containers per annum in Mombasa port and they are doing about 1.5m. I'll re-check. Nigeria is for me a real voodoo economy.
I think Naija economy is much bigger than the budget suggests. The tax collection and accountability are just much worse. So there is probably a lot of public money going into private hands. Naija is a major manufacturer in a small way.
Just on what you quoted. In fact it appears Naija's budget is smaller than Kenya's. More like 23 billion USD. http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/index.php/2018-budget?task=document.viewdoc&id=673. They are heavy on oil revenues. Either they just suck at tax collection or there is collusion to keep the numbers artificially low.
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I think one should also consider that the individual Naija states get to generate a decent chunk of their own revenues in the Federal system. That can push the total public revenues a bit higher than the official Federal Budget would suggest.
The latest for Lagos(I am sure the largest) is just over 1 billion USD https://lagosstate.gov.ng/blog/2017/12/11/ambode-presents-n1-046trn-y2018-budget-proposal-to-house-of-assembly/
The other states would also have theirs that can go some ways in making up for the shortfall.
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You'd be suprised that like kenya - majority of that budget in those federal states are mainly from national budget -23B - all from oil companies. Every state is busy trying to inflate pop figures ala Mandera and Turkana so they can get the 23B oil pie :D...Lagos is one biggest culprit..it's real population is thought to be about half of what they claim. Nigeria is total vodoo. The salary a Nigerian Major earn is less than a Kenyan private. That is why they can't beat Boko Haram.
I think one should also consider that the individual Naija states get to generate a decent chunk of their own revenues in the Federal system. That can push the total public revenues a bit higher than the official Federal Budget would suggest.
The latest for Lagos(I am sure the largest) is just over 1 billion USD https://lagosstate.gov.ng/blog/2017/12/11/ambode-presents-n1-046trn-y2018-budget-proposal-to-house-of-assembly/
The other states would also have theirs that can go some ways in making up for the shortfall.
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The one thing I don’t buy about Nigeria is their entrepreneurial acumen.
About all the dollar billionaires there have some of their fingers in the oil cookie jar somewhat
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Pundit,
Naija economy might not be as large as assumed, but it's up there in Africa - though maybe not RSA level. Still the revenues are not a great metric to use in Naija's case. I think you have to look at it in tandem with other metrics, e.g. the eye popping levels of looting(you can only loot what is there), tax evasion, how much of it is formal. GDP might also be tied up in very few hands(vooke's billionaires among them).
Looks like ANC may have promised msholozi they will go easy on him.
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Gout, told you Zuma has no chance. In RSA the ruling party has the say. That is why Zuma wanted ti install his ex-wife. This way he would have saved himself from this embarassment.
Nothing different about Mwafrika politics. It is all about stealing and keeping the loot in the family, accumulating more. Murdering anybody who comes near. Zero philosophy/ideology. Zuma is the SA Jomo- am sure if NDZ doesn't have a chance, thuggish Edward will have a chance in 10-20 years.
RSA is not Kenya. Zuma is out and he will be in residing in Nkandla this year. Problem here is you are exporting your Kenyan mentality to RSA.
Apart from the fact that the margin was quite close despite male dominated ANC, am quite sure Zuma hasn't given up on NDZ. Any signs that Ramaphosa can't be trusted by the Zumas will mean a vicious fight to destroy Ramaphosa giving NDZ a second chance.
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On the contrary, they may not be going easy on him. His son is a wanted man. Maybe that is how you keep corruption under wraps. Make it painful.
While Hawks officers are on the hunt for President Jacob Zuma’s son, Duduzane, as well as one Gupta brother, all was quiet outside Duduzane Zuma’s Saxonwold home this morning.
The property at 18 Griswold Drive, which is situated about two blocks away from the Gupta family compound in Saxonwold, is registered under the name of a holding company belonging to Duduzane Zuma and the Gupta family.
The expensive-looking property, situated on a double stand in the exclusive suburb, is owned by Mabengela Investments.
The Bank of Baroda gave Mabengela Investments a R3.6 million bond over the property back in 2009.
However, neighbours say that Duduzane Zuma has not been seen or heard at the property for a while now.
Neighbours say that they usually hear the sound of his sportscars’ engines, but these have been silent of late.
https://city-press.news24.com/News/hawks-now-looking-for-duduzane-zuma-20180214 (https://city-press.news24.com/News/hawks-now-looking-for-duduzane-zuma-20180214)
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This negro is unable to "agree" with the Party's prerogative despite his glaring baggage and the pending general elections. 10 years ago Mbeki bowed out rather gracefully yet he had no integrity questions. Zuma will soon appear before court as a raia. He may wind up in prison along with a son, wife and the Guptas.
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This negro is unable to "agree" with the Party's prerogative despite his glaring baggage and the pending general elections. 10 years ago Mbeki bowed out rather gracefully yet he had no integrity questions. Zuma will soon appear before court as a raia. He may wind up in prison along with a son, wife and the Guptas.
That got me thinking. Could he become the first former South African President to make a run for exile? There is no shortage of AU countries willing to welcome such characters.
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This negro is unable to "agree" with the Party's prerogative despite his glaring baggage and the pending general elections. 10 years ago Mbeki bowed out rather gracefully yet he had no integrity questions. Zuma will soon appear before court as a raia. He may wind up in prison along with a son, wife and the Guptas.
That got me thinking. Could he become the first former South African President to make a run for exile? There is no shortage of AU countries willing to welcome such characters.
African despots are on a short leash. Kabila, Bashir, Museveni, Biya - these won't last in power. Kabila is under siege. Ug has an active opposition. Bashir is wanted internationally. Zuma's better off in Zim. Personally I think he should just man up and face the music. This way he can 'posthumously' elevate RSA to South Korean league for accountability.
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Pundit,
Naija economy might not be as large as assumed, but it's up there in Africa - though maybe not RSA level. Still the revenues are not a great metric to use in Naija's case. I think you have to look at it in tandem with other metrics, e.g. the eye popping levels of looting(you can only loot what is there), tax evasion, how much of it is formal. GDP might also be tied up in very few hands(vooke's billionaires among them).
Dave Cameron was caught on camera telling Queen Elizabeth that Nigeria is "fantastically corrupt" - along with Afghanistan. Buhari concurred 8)
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As long as he brings along the Gupta billions and his chubby wives, he is welcome in many African countries.
That got me thinking. Could he become the first former South African President to make a run for exile? There is no shortage of AU countries willing to welcome such characters.
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Look like he is history..but RSA has to reach it's base(the average black south africa level who are the majority) before it stabilize. Zuma accelerate that decline but it will happen no doubt. Then they will start to rise again.
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Zuma to be charged for corruption
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/South-Africa-ex-president-Jacob-Zuma-to-face-graft-prosecution/1066-4344706-sa0ery/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/South-Africa-ex-president-Jacob-Zuma-to-face-graft-prosecution/1066-4344706-sa0ery/index.html)
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Zuma to be charged for corruption
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/South-Africa-ex-president-Jacob-Zuma-to-face-graft-prosecution/1066-4344706-sa0ery/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/South-Africa-ex-president-Jacob-Zuma-to-face-graft-prosecution/1066-4344706-sa0ery/index.html)
He is naked and exposed. Probably a correct move to nip it in the bud before it becomes a habit for future rulers if the worst that can happen is losing power.
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Zuma to be charged for corruption
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/South-Africa-ex-president-Jacob-Zuma-to-face-graft-prosecution/1066-4344706-sa0ery/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/South-Africa-ex-president-Jacob-Zuma-to-face-graft-prosecution/1066-4344706-sa0ery/index.html)
He is naked and exposed. Probably a correct move to nip it in the bud before it becomes a habit for future rulers if the worst that can happen is losing power.
Sure
But ANC bonds run deep sand I won’t be surprised if it’s all a charade.
But negro is guilty as hell