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https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430
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Raila has moved quickly to whip ODM. Anyway the O'Mogeni shenanigans about 70 new MPs was DOA - Muturi/Lusaka are Uhuru poodles and won't allow changes. Ruto is behind the noise but maintain neutral facade to fool Gema.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/raila-party-whips-mps-to-back-unchanged-bbi-bill--3379206
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Of course the Ndii& Omtata nonsense will be tossed out last-minute - just as the CJ injunction was thrown out.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/-behind-the-scenes-intrigues-in-the-search-for-chief-justice-3379174
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Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.

But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.

BBI is dead as dodo.

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Pundit BIBI YAO is the law of the land. Uhuru now has a chance to be prime Minister for Life under the presidency of Raila

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Hold your horse until it passes. I haven't got my Huduma number - more than 3yrs - since Uhuru promised.
Pundit BIBI YAO is the law of the land. Uhuru now has a chance to be prime Minister for Life under the presidency of Raila

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Hold your horse until it passes. I haven't got my Huduma number - more than 3yrs - since Uhuru promised.
Pundit BIBI YAO is the law of the land. Uhuru now has a chance to be prime Minister for Life under the presidency of Raila

Uhuru was collecting Data to sell. Huduma number was business not govt document

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Nothing is required to pass BBI popular initiative. They can oppose 100% and still go to referendum. Uhuru-Raila only need Muturi and Lusaka to overrule O'Mogeni nonsense. Then Ruto will be exposed for watermelon or well surrender to Raila and create BBI lineup. This going to be 2022 combo.

And which judiciary will kill BBI? The one lead by Koome? There is enough time to toss out the cases few months to elections. Like anti-CJ JSC case by Prof Mutua. It bad strategy to count on judges you don't control.

Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.

But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.

BBI is dead as dodo.
I desire to go to hell and not to heaven. In the former place I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings, and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks, and apostles. ~ Niccolo Machiavelli on his deathbed, June 1527

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When it been tossed out - then talk BBI. As of now IEBC are injuncted. Uhuru is injuncted. After today's parliament into goes into abeyance - waiting for high court, court of appeal and supreme court. Each require substantial amount of time...to hear 8 cases raising novel issues...so BBI next will be heard in 2023..when Uhuru will be busy in Ichaweri.

As see with Koome as CJ - we will not have any peace? LOL - CJ is not all that powerful :)

As for control - Judges will kill BBI for their own interest - not for Ruto. They allow BBI to pass - they get two bosses -  JSC and ombudsman - and they would have taken away their security of tenure.

So BBI dies because Judiciary kills it for it's own selfish interest.

Nothing is required to pass BBI popular initiative. They can oppose 100% and still go to referendum. Uhuru-Raila only need Muturi and Lusaka to overrule O'Mogeni nonsense. Then Ruto will be exposed for watermelon or well surrender to Raila and create BBI lineup. This going to be 2022 combo.

And which judiciary will kill BBI? The one lead by Koome? There is enough time to toss out the cases few months to elections. Like anti-CJ JSC case by Prof Mutua. It bad strategy to count on judges you don't control.

Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.

But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.

BBI is dead as dodo.

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 :D :D :D KenyanPalto hapo umedinya point.
What is that Huduma Number for in the first place? Kenyans have ID cards. What more do they need?

Uhuru was collecting Data to sell. Huduma number was business not govt document

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Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430

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Judiciary is united in opposing BBI. Ombusdman make the forever executive biatches. It better to buy time and see Uhuru off home. That is what they will do...high court..then court of appeal..then supreme court....well Uhuru will have no time to organize BBI referendum.

Martha Koome cannot order judges to deliver judgement by midnight -


Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430

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Prof Mutua case against CJ appointment is best example of busy-bodies trying to hijack legal process. It was tossed out and CJ nominated. Unajishuku - after getting Koome so wrong you will be seeing ghosts in every post for a while.

Once high court bench toss out Ndii nonsense - CoA will agree to hear the case but not bar IEBC from prepping election-referendum combo. The closer you are to Aug 22 the harder it becomes to use courts to kill BBI.

When it been tossed out - then talk BBI. As of now IEBC are injuncted. Uhuru is injuncted. After today's parliament into goes into abeyance - waiting for high court, court of appeal and supreme court. Each require substantial amount of time...to hear 8 cases raising novel issues...so BBI next will be heard in 2023..when Uhuru will be busy in Ichaweri.

As see with Koome as CJ - we will not have any peace? LOL - CJ is not all that powerful :)

As for control - Judges will kill BBI for their own interest - not for Ruto. They allow BBI to pass - they get two bosses -  JSC and ombudsman - and they would have taken away their security of tenure.

So BBI dies because Judiciary kills it for it's own selfish interest.

Nothing is required to pass BBI popular initiative. They can oppose 100% and still go to referendum. Uhuru-Raila only need Muturi and Lusaka to overrule O'Mogeni nonsense. Then Ruto will be exposed for watermelon or well surrender to Raila and create BBI lineup. This going to be 2022 combo.

And which judiciary will kill BBI? The one lead by Koome? There is enough time to toss out the cases few months to elections. Like anti-CJ JSC case by Prof Mutua. It bad strategy to count on judges you don't control.

Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.

But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.

BBI is dead as dodo.
I desire to go to hell and not to heaven. In the former place I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings, and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks, and apostles. ~ Niccolo Machiavelli on his deathbed, June 1527

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BBI is 2022-election combo as was the plan all along. Nothing has changed. Next Ruto will have to decide if to have a BBI line-up or not - how does a watermelon lineup look like - does it have PM? Raila lineup is well known.

But I see you are already accepting the inevitable - mentioning Koome.


Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430
I desire to go to hell and not to heaven. In the former place I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings, and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks, and apostles. ~ Niccolo Machiavelli on his deathbed, June 1527

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My friend , its never that simple....

BBI is 2022-election combo as was the plan all along. Nothing has changed. Next Ruto will have to decide if to have a BBI line-up or not - how does a watermelon lineup look like - does it have PM? Raila lineup is well known.

But I see you are already accepting the inevitable - mentioning Koome.


Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430

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We shall see soon. There are 8 cases raising serious issues. It won't be that simple. As for BBI being 2022 - combo - well you're far ahead of Raila - and co - who are desperate for it to be done by September. You know if BBI is done in 2022 - goodies like 70 constituencies become moot. They move to 2027 or whenever.

Constitution 2010 is very hard to ammend.

Soon you'll understand this.

Prof Mutua case against CJ appointment is best example of busy-bodies trying to hijack legal process. It was tossed out and CJ nominated. Unajishuku - after getting Koome so wrong you will be seeing ghosts in every post for a while.

Once high court bench toss out Ndii nonsense - CoA will agree to hear the case but not bar IEBC from prepping election-referendum combo. The closer you are to Aug 22 the harder it becomes to use courts to kill BBI.

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We shall see soon. There are 8 cases raising serious issues. It won't be that simple. As for BBI being 2022 - combo - well you're far ahead of Raila - and co - who are desperate for it to be done by September. You know if BBI is done in 2022 - goodies like 70 constituencies become moot. They move to 2027 or whenever.

Constitution 2010 is very hard to ammend.

Soon you'll understand this.

Prof Mutua case against CJ appointment is best example of busy-bodies trying to hijack legal process. It was tossed out and CJ nominated. Unajishuku - after getting Koome so wrong you will be seeing ghosts in every post for a while.

Once high court bench toss out Ndii nonsense - CoA will agree to hear the case but not bar IEBC from prepping election-referendum combo. The closer you are to Aug 22 the harder it becomes to use courts to kill BBI.

Next month BBI will be the law of the land and then in January Uhuru will order Ruto to be arrested

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Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI.  And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.

Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation

Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.

In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.

Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.

Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.

As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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Omollo, I have to agree with your sentiments. Even Baba Moi with his primary education could not be controlled. Njonjo learnt the hardway.

Anyway the biggest threat to kenya democracy and progress right now is Raila vengeance. He is like a wrecking ball. BBI is giant wreck ball to rollback all the constitutional progress made since 80s. He could support anything now just to spite at Kenyans for not making him PORK.

Therefore I think it's important that Raila is encouraged to run and run hard.

He may become a wreck ball in a 2nd round contest.

The handshake btw the screwball and wreckball has kenya in such peril...Kenyans have to be smarter.

Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI.  And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.

Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation

Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.

In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.

Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.

Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.

As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!

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The story of Putin rising to power is different.
Putin was in KGB , upon fall of USSR he returned to Saint Petersbourg and became his former lecturer  Sobchaks Chief campaigner for Mayor Post.
Sabchak recomended him to Yelsin to secure all USSR assets allover the world which had now been  transfered to Russian Federation.
After doing a good job , Yelsin nominated him to be the director of FSB.
On his role as chief intelligence officer he protected the oligarch , the likes of Berezovsky , Abromovich etc from being prosecuted.
He then cut a deal with Yelsin daughter and husband for protection hence the reason he was handed over power as President before the expiry term of Yelsin . The oligarch who owned media houses used the power of media to advertise Putin and endow him to the electorate and thus managed to win the Presidency.
Upon coming to power he called a televised meeting with oligarch so called business men and told them they need to differentiate between business and governance . The likes of Berezovsky decided to confront Putin in the same media houses they owned . Putin gave them 2 options either surrender all the stolen wealth  state organization by selling back to government or end up in Jail. Some like Abromovich decided to comply , the likes of Berezovsky decided to flee to Britain and sponsor opposition to topple Putin.
Putin did consolidate power but the best thing he did is share the countrys wealth . In Yelsin years it was only going to Oligarch , The gas , oil steelnrevenue in Putin years was now being given to citizens in form of loans and Pensions . The country prospered  until Ukraine 2014 happened , which is another story of another day. If you follow keenly Biden started talking of the bottom up approach of the economy the other day. Putin has been talking about it for years .





Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI.  And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.

Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation

Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.

In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.

Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.

Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.

As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!