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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nefertiti on April 28, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
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https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430
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Raila has moved quickly to whip ODM. Anyway the O'Mogeni shenanigans about 70 new MPs was DOA - Muturi/Lusaka are Uhuru poodles and won't allow changes. Ruto is behind the noise but maintain neutral facade to fool Gema.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/raila-party-whips-mps-to-back-unchanged-bbi-bill--3379206
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Of course the Ndii& Omtata nonsense will be tossed out last-minute - just as the CJ injunction was thrown out.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/-behind-the-scenes-intrigues-in-the-search-for-chief-justice-3379174
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Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.
But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.
BBI is dead as dodo.
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Pundit BIBI YAO is the law of the land. Uhuru now has a chance to be prime Minister for Life under the presidency of Raila
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Hold your horse until it passes. I haven't got my Huduma number - more than 3yrs - since Uhuru promised.
Pundit BIBI YAO is the law of the land. Uhuru now has a chance to be prime Minister for Life under the presidency of Raila
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Hold your horse until it passes. I haven't got my Huduma number - more than 3yrs - since Uhuru promised.
Pundit BIBI YAO is the law of the land. Uhuru now has a chance to be prime Minister for Life under the presidency of Raila
Uhuru was collecting Data to sell. Huduma number was business not govt document
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Nothing is required to pass BBI popular initiative. They can oppose 100% and still go to referendum. Uhuru-Raila only need Muturi and Lusaka to overrule O'Mogeni nonsense. Then Ruto will be exposed for watermelon or well surrender to Raila and create BBI lineup. This going to be 2022 combo.
And which judiciary will kill BBI? The one lead by Koome? There is enough time to toss out the cases few months to elections. Like anti-CJ JSC case by Prof Mutua. It bad strategy to count on judges you don't control.
Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.
But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.
BBI is dead as dodo.
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When it been tossed out - then talk BBI. As of now IEBC are injuncted. Uhuru is injuncted. After today's parliament into goes into abeyance - waiting for high court, court of appeal and supreme court. Each require substantial amount of time...to hear 8 cases raising novel issues...so BBI next will be heard in 2023..when Uhuru will be busy in Ichaweri.
As see with Koome as CJ - we will not have any peace? LOL - CJ is not all that powerful :)
As for control - Judges will kill BBI for their own interest - not for Ruto. They allow BBI to pass - they get two bosses - JSC and ombudsman - and they would have taken away their security of tenure.
So BBI dies because Judiciary kills it for it's own selfish interest.
Nothing is required to pass BBI popular initiative. They can oppose 100% and still go to referendum. Uhuru-Raila only need Muturi and Lusaka to overrule O'Mogeni nonsense. Then Ruto will be exposed for watermelon or well surrender to Raila and create BBI lineup. This going to be 2022 combo.
And which judiciary will kill BBI? The one lead by Koome? There is enough time to toss out the cases few months to elections. Like anti-CJ JSC case by Prof Mutua. It bad strategy to count on judges you don't control.
Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.
But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.
BBI is dead as dodo.
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:D :D :D KenyanPalto hapo umedinya point.
What is that Huduma Number for in the first place? Kenyans have ID cards. What more do they need?
Uhuru was collecting Data to sell. Huduma number was business not govt document
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Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430
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Judiciary is united in opposing BBI. Ombusdman make the forever executive biatches. It better to buy time and see Uhuru off home. That is what they will do...high court..then court of appeal..then supreme court....well Uhuru will have no time to organize BBI referendum.
Martha Koome cannot order judges to deliver judgement by midnight -
Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430
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Prof Mutua case against CJ appointment is best example of busy-bodies trying to hijack legal process. It was tossed out and CJ nominated. Unajishuku - after getting Koome so wrong you will be seeing ghosts in every post for a while.
Once high court bench toss out Ndii nonsense - CoA will agree to hear the case but not bar IEBC from prepping election-referendum combo. The closer you are to Aug 22 the harder it becomes to use courts to kill BBI.
When it been tossed out - then talk BBI. As of now IEBC are injuncted. Uhuru is injuncted. After today's parliament into goes into abeyance - waiting for high court, court of appeal and supreme court. Each require substantial amount of time...to hear 8 cases raising novel issues...so BBI next will be heard in 2023..when Uhuru will be busy in Ichaweri.
As see with Koome as CJ - we will not have any peace? LOL - CJ is not all that powerful :)
As for control - Judges will kill BBI for their own interest - not for Ruto. They allow BBI to pass - they get two bosses - JSC and ombudsman - and they would have taken away their security of tenure.
So BBI dies because Judiciary kills it for it's own selfish interest.
Nothing is required to pass BBI popular initiative. They can oppose 100% and still go to referendum. Uhuru-Raila only need Muturi and Lusaka to overrule O'Mogeni nonsense. Then Ruto will be exposed for watermelon or well surrender to Raila and create BBI lineup. This going to be 2022 combo.
And which judiciary will kill BBI? The one lead by Koome? There is enough time to toss out the cases few months to elections. Like anti-CJ JSC case by Prof Mutua. It bad strategy to count on judges you don't control.
Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.
But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.
BBI is dead as dodo.
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BBI is 2022-election combo as was the plan all along. Nothing has changed. Next Ruto will have to decide if to have a BBI line-up or not - how does a watermelon lineup look like - does it have PM? Raila lineup is well known.
But I see you are already accepting the inevitable - mentioning Koome.
Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430
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My friend , its never that simple....
BBI is 2022-election combo as was the plan all along. Nothing has changed. Next Ruto will have to decide if to have a BBI line-up or not - how does a watermelon lineup look like - does it have PM? Raila lineup is well known.
But I see you are already accepting the inevitable - mentioning Koome.
Robina , you need to make up your mind are we having a referendumn or not.
As for Mps , those are sideshows.BBI proper is with the courts, seems Uhuru guys have cut a deal with Koome to ensure it passes, but she will know Judges can risk everything but not their freedom.
The coming months will be eventful, with Koome on Uhurus side he has +2 advantage in JSC, lets see who will get LSK rep in JSC.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/house-report-six-counties-short-changed-on-new-constituencies-3379320
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/boundaries-row-move-to-usurp-iebc-illegal--3376430
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We shall see soon. There are 8 cases raising serious issues. It won't be that simple. As for BBI being 2022 - combo - well you're far ahead of Raila - and co - who are desperate for it to be done by September. You know if BBI is done in 2022 - goodies like 70 constituencies become moot. They move to 2027 or whenever.
Constitution 2010 is very hard to ammend.
Soon you'll understand this.
Prof Mutua case against CJ appointment is best example of busy-bodies trying to hijack legal process. It was tossed out and CJ nominated. Unajishuku - after getting Koome so wrong you will be seeing ghosts in every post for a while.
Once high court bench toss out Ndii nonsense - CoA will agree to hear the case but not bar IEBC from prepping election-referendum combo. The closer you are to Aug 22 the harder it becomes to use courts to kill BBI.
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We shall see soon. There are 8 cases raising serious issues. It won't be that simple. As for BBI being 2022 - combo - well you're far ahead of Raila - and co - who are desperate for it to be done by September. You know if BBI is done in 2022 - goodies like 70 constituencies become moot. They move to 2027 or whenever.
Constitution 2010 is very hard to ammend.
Soon you'll understand this.
Prof Mutua case against CJ appointment is best example of busy-bodies trying to hijack legal process. It was tossed out and CJ nominated. Unajishuku - after getting Koome so wrong you will be seeing ghosts in every post for a while.
Once high court bench toss out Ndii nonsense - CoA will agree to hear the case but not bar IEBC from prepping election-referendum combo. The closer you are to Aug 22 the harder it becomes to use courts to kill BBI.
Next month BBI will be the law of the land and then in January Uhuru will order Ruto to be arrested
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Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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Omollo, I have to agree with your sentiments. Even Baba Moi with his primary education could not be controlled. Njonjo learnt the hardway.
Anyway the biggest threat to kenya democracy and progress right now is Raila vengeance. He is like a wrecking ball. BBI is giant wreck ball to rollback all the constitutional progress made since 80s. He could support anything now just to spite at Kenyans for not making him PORK.
Therefore I think it's important that Raila is encouraged to run and run hard.
He may become a wreck ball in a 2nd round contest.
The handshake btw the screwball and wreckball has kenya in such peril...Kenyans have to be smarter.
Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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The story of Putin rising to power is different.
Putin was in KGB , upon fall of USSR he returned to Saint Petersbourg and became his former lecturer Sobchaks Chief campaigner for Mayor Post.
Sabchak recomended him to Yelsin to secure all USSR assets allover the world which had now been transfered to Russian Federation.
After doing a good job , Yelsin nominated him to be the director of FSB.
On his role as chief intelligence officer he protected the oligarch , the likes of Berezovsky , Abromovich etc from being prosecuted.
He then cut a deal with Yelsin daughter and husband for protection hence the reason he was handed over power as President before the expiry term of Yelsin . The oligarch who owned media houses used the power of media to advertise Putin and endow him to the electorate and thus managed to win the Presidency.
Upon coming to power he called a televised meeting with oligarch so called business men and told them they need to differentiate between business and governance . The likes of Berezovsky decided to confront Putin in the same media houses they owned . Putin gave them 2 options either surrender all the stolen wealth state organization by selling back to government or end up in Jail. Some like Abromovich decided to comply , the likes of Berezovsky decided to flee to Britain and sponsor opposition to topple Putin.
Putin did consolidate power but the best thing he did is share the countrys wealth . In Yelsin years it was only going to Oligarch , The gas , oil steelnrevenue in Putin years was now being given to citizens in form of loans and Pensions . The country prospered until Ukraine 2014 happened , which is another story of another day. If you follow keenly Biden started talking of the bottom up approach of the economy the other day. Putin has been talking about it for years .
Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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No Wits Haha
How long did the Oligarchs wield their control over Putin? How long did Yeltsin's daughter control her "stooge"?
You may add or subtract details of Putin's rise to power as you will - am least concerned with that. In fact I deliberately shortened it because the message I was communicating and which I'm unsurprised simply passed through your orifices is no president can remain a stooge of anybody for any length of time while holding such awesome powers.
Tshisekedi just jettisoned Kabila effortlessly. Kabila mistook the recalcitrance of his greedy MPs for support when in fact they were negotiating their golden handshake to dump Kabila. They got paid and promptly went quiet and supported Felix.
Let me be clear - since it looks like some people are competing with the Equatorial Forest for thickness: Uhuru's plan B is to get a stooge and using the 70 MPs run government as PM. It simply won't work. He may not even get appointed PM. His BBI grants the president the leeway to appoint virtually anybody. Even if he became PM he can't control the president who could fire him without ceremony.
So the stooge plan is Dead tumboni. Will never be born.
Now go ahead with your Putin story and show your expertise in all matters Russia
Ma bsradhuli wengine!
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I may not always agree with Pundit but the guy's intelligence is unquestionable. He unlike No Wits has understood my point and offered the example of Moi and his would-be stooge master Njonjo.
The power one wields today might easily confuse him to imagine of the future with the those same powers. Njonjo drew his power from Kenyatta and him being Kikuyu. A timid Moi appeared just the weakling he needed to ascend to power. Moi agreed. But once he got power and no longer needed Njonjo to access intelligence and even shut him out and when he saw the generals salute him not Njonjo and when he fired people and saw it happen and appoint new ones and saw them become what he said.... he got rid of Njonjo too .. you can almost imagine a kid with a gun asking if he can kill a bird and is told yes you can kill anything with that and the kid gets ideas... can it shoot my daddy who is beating my mama... and there's consternation as the kid goes looking for his daddy.
No way anybody can remain a stooge.
As for Raila I don't think he has any useful ideas remaining. He wasn't part of the pre-handshake negotiations. It's his wife and Nani's mom who arranged the whole thing. Old lesson: only real enemies can make lasting peace. Nani has got 4 years of peace. For the price of a motorcade, helicopter rides and briefcases of government cash. Raila was after all just cheap. Reminded me of the movies you watch where some supposed super brainy thug is holding a big banking corporation hostage and they think he wants to wreck the country. It dawns on them that he is just a thief. He was never after great things. He just wanted money. Money he eventually fails to use as they recover everything to the last coin.
Uhuru had no clue what to do with the power mom got him. He still remains clueless
Omollo, I have to agree with your sentiments. Even Baba Moi with his primary education could not be controlled. Njonjo learnt the hardway.
Anyway the biggest threat to kenya democracy and progress right now is Raila vengeance. He is like a wrecking ball. BBI is giant wreck ball to rollback all the constitutional progress made since 80s. He could support anything now just to spite at Kenyans for not making him PORK.
Therefore I think it's important that Raila is encouraged to run and run hard.
He may become a wreck ball in a 2nd round contest.
The handshake btw the screwball and wreckball has kenya in such peril...Kenyans have to be smarter.
Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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Omollo , you are years late , read my posts about Uhuru,BBI and Oligarchy,
Here I quote before you came giving a wrong anology of Putin
And what you say is what Ndii is trying to sensitize you guys . Uhuru trying to safeguard Kenyatas expanded Ill gotten wealth since he became Finance Minister all through Presidency has decided to change the constitution so as he can have a say even during retirement , so that oligarchy can control the next president and inturn the president can control judiciary . What Ndii is doing is activism , warning and trying to prevent this from happening. The next President is Ruto as you correctly say and he will be so powerful with a senate and parliamentary rubberstamp and controlling Judiciary through Ombudsman .
Well Uhuru is being aided by none other than Raila and Odingaism in mutilating the constitution . Instead of looking at his message you are attacking him for merely attacking Odingaism . Now thats what he is saying its the true definition of odingaism " a form of Most toxic ethnic mobilization"
He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.
Excatly..he is bitter. A situation like the one we are in can lead someone like him to go mad. The best way for a egomaniac like him to deal with such a situation is to disengage and wait the storm out. It is pathetic that the state has been captured completely by two ethnic groups. With raila decision not fight the state anymore we can say that nothing much will change for another 20 years. Ruto presidency is upon us. Kikuyus are going to make him president to spite uhuru and the rest of kenyans. The political power yeilded by kikuyus and kalenjins is too much and it ought to be checked even by a non state actor
What is stopping ruto with his movement from campaigning to stop BBI? You are so deluded to think a rich family like Kenyatta one needs a constitution to safeguard their interests. The Kenyattas will be having say in Kenya for a longtime to come. One thing you have to realize is that the Kenyatta enterprise does not need Uhuru to exist or to survive. It just needs Kenya to exist. Uhuru the way he is looking will be lucky to live 10 years after retirement. He seems like someone with a serious gastric problem so he may not be living for a longtime. As for Raila he is looking for power not to be a Constitutional expert. If it means he will have to shred the constitution to get to power then he will. All politicians want is power. They do not seek office for altruistic reasons.
Anyway there is nothing in all the camps for the peasants. What Raila did with handshake is just end his fight for power using opposition. He joined the state. The slot for opposition is still open and it seems no one wants to take it. The Civil society that Ndii used to be a member is moribund and Ruto is still clinging on his dear life to stay in the State camp. This is an interesting time. Even in post 1997 we had Ngilu and Kibaki holding fort for the opposition. Now there is no opposition. Kenyan succession elections are usually decided 6 to 9 months before GE. Next year at around February we will know for sure what will happen as for now anything can happen.
As for Odingas political dominance in Luo Nyanza, this is the last 5 years before Raila is out of the scene for good. He is one stroke or pneumonia from being a cabbage and it is over for him. You can see now he is walking with a wobble. Age is finally catching up with him. Given that his dad lived to 85, I give Raila another 5 years and he will be senile like Jaramogi and spend another decade just being used as a prop.
You simply do not know how oilgarchy operates. Kenyata Family became and Oligarchy under Jommo regime ,with Ndegwas , Njonjos, Githunguris , , M01 family became Oligarchy under Toroitichs regime. Usually the family has a political wing and a business wing. There is a reason why Moi chose Uhuru as his successor and there is a reason why Uhuru is restless as we speak. Just like Yelstin oligarchy in 2000 had to look for Putin and make him a President , Kenyas oligarchy have a preference to whom they can handover power . They have a line up they have Option one, option two and option three. In 2002 Kenyas then oligarchy preference was Uhuru a fellow oligarchy, They were comfortable if Kibaki bagged it too.
In 2013 the preferred option was Mudavadi and more than happy if Uhuru bagged it.
Now coming back to 2022, Uhurus BBI strategy is driven by safeguarding the wealth Kinyatta family and cronies have created , Name a Ministry which they are not a big player - In Finance - They have NCBA, In Transport KQ and SGR , In tourist lots of hotels, in Health the leases which county governments are still paying the leases, In Minining he also have interests , In Export big players the family have negotiated exclusive rights as the only Kenyan companies with licenses to export horticulutre and brrf to middle east and Asia. In lands it well documented , The list can go on and on
Seems Uhurus oligarchy think the best option is to be a player in 2022. He wants to have leverage in parliament and senate where he will use the same tactic as he is using to have a say hence his push to have more MPs particularly in Kiambu, Nairobi and Nakuru In his mind he thinks his party Jubilee will bag the current 50 constituencies in Mt Kenya and add on top of that around 30 additional from Mt Kenya and its diaspora In senate he assumes around 24 seats will go with his party Jubilee. He will just whip Mps and senators to enter into negotiations and or advance his interests .Mainly appointees the Judiciary ombudsman and DCI and prosecutor Ministers and Deputy ministers posts Seems he has also settled to put his puppet as PM and DPM.
Ruto is not interested in leading the No campaign simply because it does not add any value in his quest to be a president to play into his opponents hands and go for a contest and secondly as the president designate he is being handed more instruments/weapons which is welcome to him.
In railas political calculation a contest is required to keep his quest for Presidency alive and he also though he would be able to divide GEMA and thus give him a chance against Ruto sadly he realizes this was miscalculation as the strategy not only was able to galvanize Mt Kenya under Ruto but also in so doing he lost a big chunk of Anti GEMA nation the coast provicne, Western Kissii etc.
Now back to Uhuru, if his BBI strategy fails either through courts , or in referendum by a loss or a boycot . He will default back to Ruto and negotiate an exit.
Number One, Uhuru just wants to control Parliament through proxy , same as Moi strategy when he wanted to cling as the Chairman of KANU after exit in 2002 , he wont attempt to remove 2 terms limit
Secondly Uhuru believes they have captured Judiciary through 1- They control JSC through Presidential Nominees , Judicial activists and LSK reps, 2 Majority of Judges have Dirty Linen , they are scared as hell of ombudsman and any judge who will go against BBI will be thrown under the bus. 3 . Holds majority of the judges by their balls by refusing to approve their appointment . The next CJ might recall the names and decide to forward names of Judges implicated by NIS to JSC for investigation.
However it might take only one brave Judge and BBI will be in disarray . Back in 2001 It took one brave Somali Lawyer to call out corrupt Judges and within a year or so he spearheaded the Judiciary radical surgery.
At the beginning Uhuru was not for a referendum but with time through advice of his cronies he saw it as an opportunity to safeguard their wealth. Initially the plan was to silence Raila amass wealth and rule without much noise .
But why would he miss to plan for Okiya Omtatah.I am not convinced. WHEN MUSEVENI wanted to remove 70yrs limit he did it 5yrs before.Uhuru is aware that judiciary and political process need time..he would have done BBI the first year or 2nd
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No Wits
I've read your lame defense.
1st like I said before knock yourself out detailing how Putin came to power. You'll find that I shan't argue or contest any detail you provide. Why? Because it is and will be immaterial to my position.
What's my position? It's not possible to run the presidency of Kenya through a stooge. It simply can't happen. Even if you impose one of the most stupid politicians alive today - MaDvD- he will effortlessly take off the chains and apply them on you.
I read further and apart from contradictions where you say one thing then say the opposite without reference to the earlier position, I found a shocker that confirms to me your Uthamaki credentials (i have said it before that you are a diehard uthamakistani & i stand by that and time will bear me out): that Uhuru is not or will not seek to remove term limits!
Now you are either a propagandist sent to mislead people here or are indeed minus a single functioning brain cell. No offense intended just facts saying that.
Any baboon (even Njamlik) need not look at that BBI twice to see a multiplicity of frivolous proposed amendments. Why so many that solve no problem?
The answer lies in Orengo vs Moi where the court of appeal by rejecting Orengo's case simultaneously set the criteria for when an existing constitution can be considered "new". It stated that extensive amendments amount to a new constitution.
I stated that a stooge is a dead idea..I didnt add that I doubted Uhuru Kenyatta had that as plan A or B. It's probably plan Q. Even Kabila tried the entire alphabet before he realized he couldn't stay. He extended his tenure which is Uhuru's plan D; he delayed elections - plan E ; he provoked and fought wars in DRCs regions; Exiled opponents- it all failed.
Uhuru's one and only plan A is a 3rd term and maybe a 4th term. Raila will be shafted bila vaseline and anyway he's ruined his own support confining himself to Siaya. He's lost RV (Mau) and lost marginalized areas recently etc. He won't pose a threat.
Now to you Mr. Uthamakistani: The reason you and others are pretending to support Ruto is not dissimilar to why I dropped Raila. You are opposed to Uhuru detente with Raila. I am totally opposed to making peace with Uhuru Kenyatta. So as you can see we have something in common after all😂😂😂🤣🤣
Have you watched a silvestre Stallone Vietnam feel good movie? He gets tortured, he gets shot and all the time we are getting angry at those vietcongs. We lose all sympathy for them and wish someone would blow them all to kingdom come. And that is when Stallone - who we and the Vietcong thought dead - opens one eye much to our cheering. He gets up and sickly tiptoes behind the guard. We all hold our breath lest the guard discovers before our hero is close enough. When he slices his throat we celebrate. Then he starts to release prisoners and some women get orgasms where they are sitting! Then he starts blowing up.things and we are with him all the way. We gasp at any setback and cheer every killing.
You Mr. Uthamakistani will cheer when Uhuru turns on Raila. You will all line up behind Muthamaki.
You will revert to the old arguments of there being no other viable candidate
We've seen your tricks before and they simply don't change
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Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.
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I don't think Uhuru wants to "control" the next president anymore than Obama controls Biden. If it were upto Uhuru Gideon would be next, but he knows better. Old Baba has a right to make deals and seek power even if some of us do not appreciate his new ideals. He is in it for himself first and foremost before Kenya and the rest of us.
The latest stooge to slay the master is Felix Tshisekedi. Took a mere 2 months to send Kabila to retirement.
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You corrected nothing.
Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.
They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.
I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV
Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!
The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.
Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.
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I agree that his plan A is 3rd & 4th term. But stooge is also a plan. Ofcourse the best stooge in his opinion is Gideon. True or false Gideon displays a kind of rare idiocy. But again so did the father.
People who knew Moi including my late father told us that he's a master of deception. He would stammer and look mistaken in public only to sit behind his desk barking clear and earth shattering orders without reference to notes or any display of memory lapse. I was a kid then when my father told those who had gathered in our living room to watch TV. Years later I could see a bit of that "schizophrenia" while at university.
I then started treating Moi as the greatest trickster in Kenya and once I did that I realized I had decoded him fully. So if his son has any of that we are in trouble should anybody think he can be controlled.
Robina BBI is a disaster. Raila has earned his upkeep by supporting Uhuru and he can simply demand his payout without BBI. He can then battle it out with Ruto go to the second round which the IEBC has always stiffed Kenyans of. I cant and wont vote for either.
I don't think Uhuru wants to "control" the next president anymore than Obama controls Biden. If it were upto Uhuru Gideon would be next, but he knows better. Old Baba has a right to make deals and seek power even if some of us do not appreciate his new ideals. He is in it for himself first and foremost before Kenya and the rest of us.
The latest stooge to slay the master is Felix Tshisekedi. Took a mere 2 months to send Kabila to retirement.
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Probably already addressed so I'll just add: if it is passed in parliament by a simple majority Consigliere Kihara Kariuki will immediately peel off some sections and have Uhuru sign them into law. It's essential that the bill fails in parliament then goes to the people
Nothing is required to pass BBI popular initiative. They can oppose 100% and still go to referendum. Uhuru-Raila only need Muturi and Lusaka to overrule O'Mogeni nonsense. Then Ruto will be exposed for watermelon or well surrender to Raila and create BBI lineup. This going to be 2022 combo.
And which judiciary will kill BBI? The one lead by Koome? There is enough time to toss out the cases few months to elections. Like anti-CJ JSC case by Prof Mutua. It bad strategy to count on judges you don't control.
Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.
But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.
BBI is dead as dodo.
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The latest is in DRC Congo where Kabila thought he had a watertight plan :) Until Tshiekendi told him who is the daddy? And he had to say Tshiekendi. His parliamentary majority gone. His ministers fired. Within six months - the Tshiekiend he rigged in as weakling to control...has consolidated power.
Politics and power is cut throat..one weakness...your neck is gone.
You corrected nothing.
Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.
They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.
I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV
Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!
The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.
Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.
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That precisely the gameplan here. It upto Uhuru to decide what constitute a protected clauses - and then send those to IEBC - no need subjecting kenyans to referendam on issues that do not require one. Kihara will offer his legal argument. Those opposed will have the chance to go challenge in court - and have the rulling delivered in 2024 - when BBI would already have become part of our law anyway :) - gov will be given 1Yr to revert back :) at best case scenario.
Probably already addressed so I'll just add: if it is passed in parliament by a simple majority Consigliere Kihara Kariuki will immediately peel off some sections and have Uhuru sign them into law. It's essential that the bill fails in parliament then goes to the people
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Handshake and BBI saved Kenya from Ruto dictatorship. Mike Tyson used to say, "you have a plan until you are hit". Ruto had a plan which he thought was full proof until he was hit with a left and a right (handshake and then BBI). Ruto was arrogantly sleep walking to the presidency and then handshake happened then before he could recover, BBI exposed him. Even with the handshake, Ruto was still doing well in Mt. Kenya and was still calling RAO Mganga, after Mt. Kenya figured out that they stood to gain a lot with BBI, they abandoned Ruto quickly. RAO on the other hand was on the outside but he squeezed himself "katikati ya ouru na WSR", using handshake and BBI. Now both Ouru and WSR, need RAO to retain power. As far as I am concerned, BBI has done its job and even it it is killed by the court, it will not change the new political reality-both sides need RAO to retain or get power. If Ouru betrays RAO, RAO can always put together a deal with Ruto that would shake the Mt. Kenya hegemony for good. RAO can also team up with Ouru and the cerelac kids to vanguish WSR presidential dreams. BBI has been good for RAO but its not necessary henceforth.
Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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You're cashing the future. The same mistake. Raila should have made handshake pay - now and then. But he was promised BBI heaven. It's insanity 101. Ruto doesn't feel any anger with Uhuru because he made Jubilee 1.0 count when he had a chance. In politics and business - window of opportunities open up and closes as quickly.
Now imagine if Ruto and Uhuru were to reconcile? What will Raila go home with? Apart from the Prados?
Raila mid last year had window of opportunity to demand a gov of national unity - and get many of his guys cabinet and gov position of influence - where he can make some changes - of his ODM manifesto.
This possibly the worst - with Moi he got something and started making money - Kibaki the same - with Uhuru he got fake promises :)
Now as we approach 2022 - Raila is broke - he has lost NASA - he is losing core support by blindly supporting unpopular gov - and looks likely he won't even stand in 2022.
All this for BBI - while Uhuru continue to seperate handshake with 2022.
Handshake and BBI saved Kenya from Ruto dictatorship. Mike Tyson used to say, "you have a plan until you are hit". Ruto had a plan which he thought was full proof until he was hit with a left and a right (handshake and then BBI). Ruto was arrogantly sleep walking to the presidency and then handshake happened then before he could recover, BBI exposed him. Even with the handshake, Ruto was still doing well in Mt. Kenya and was still calling RAO Mganga, after Mt. Kenya figured out that they stood to gain a lot with BBI, they abandoned Ruto quickly. RAO on the other hand was on the outside but he squeezed himself "katikati ya ouru na WSR", using handshake and BBI. Now both Ouru and WSR, need RAO to retain power. As far as I am concerned, BBI has done its job and even it it is killed by the court, it will not change the new political reality-both sides need RAO to retain or get power. If Ouru betrays RAO, RAO can always put together a deal with Ruto that would shake the Mt. Kenya hegemony for good. RAO can also team up with Ouru and the cerelac kids to vanguish WSR presidential dreams. BBI has been good for RAO but its not necessary henceforth.
Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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"Everyone has a plan till they are punched in the mouth."
There! no more subquoting good old Mike.
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As usual you conflate your wishes with your punditry. BBI is 2022 combo - there are no numbers to pre-pass any clauses as Omollo and Pundit opine. It is also necessary to have a Yes-Raila vs Ruto-No lineup to beat Ruto. Kichwa seems to think Ruto is long vanquished but he is woefully off. Omollo the abominable groom is retired in Switzerland.
You're cashing the future. The same mistake. Raila should have made handshake pay - now and then. But he was promised BBI heaven. It's insanity 101. Ruto doesn't feel any anger with Uhuru because he made Jubilee 1.0 count when he had a chance. In politics and business - window of opportunities open up and closes as quickly.
Now imagine if Ruto and Uhuru were to reconcile? What will Raila go home with? Apart from the Prados?
Raila mid last year had window of opportunity to demand a gov of national unity - and get many of his guys cabinet and gov position of influence - where he can make some changes - of his ODM manifesto.
This possibly the worst - with Moi he got something and started making money - Kibaki the same - with Uhuru he got fake promises :)
Now as we approach 2022 - Raila is broke - he has lost NASA - he is losing core support by blindly supporting unpopular gov - and looks likely he won't even stand in 2022.
All this for BBI - while Uhuru continue to seperate handshake with 2022.
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Pundit your legal incoherence continue to shine
Speaker Muturi rules MPs cannot amend BBI Bill
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-05-04-speaker-muturi-rules-mps-cannot-amend-bbi-bill/
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In Summary
• Speaker said any amendment shall negate the popular will of the people in directly amending the Constitution.
• Muturi said alterations to the text of such a bill may only be allowed to correct errors of form or typographical errors before submission for assent.
In short AG Kihara will correct any "typographical errors" - including sneak in Uhuru pension :) Anyway I opined earlier it obvious Raila did not want BBI passed in parliament (which Ruto did) for fear Uhuru would shortchange him. This emerging setup is best for Raila:- Ruto must decide Yes or No cause Simpleton Wanjiku thinks in binary. Being watermelon is akin to not having a manifesto.
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The madness. I am talking now. And you're talking the future (wishes). And yet you attribute my thoughts as wishes.
If the world ends today - what will Raila says the handshake has delivered to him? Forget about BBI and 2022 - for now - that is the future - A WISH.
Now what we know Uhuru is promising the future to Raila but he is running gov alone - appointing as he wishes - mostly GEMA friends - and pushing development to his region. That is now.
Now - both Raila and Ruto - are out of power. Ruto has backdoor to power through the patronage network he created in Jubilee 1.0. Raila power comes from "closeness" to Uhuru. It's NOT REAL power like 1/4 Raila had in NARA. It's probably 0.1% of power. Ruto of course had 60% of power in Jubilee 1.0 and made it count.
Now tell me who is wishful...someone who has figured out all the BBI maze - declared it 2022 manifesto.
Or someone like me - who is watching reality - of the politics and judiciary - as the days go!
You're a nut case like Kenya Plato.
As usual you conflate your wishes with your punditry. BBI is 2022 combo - there are no numbers to pre-pass any clauses as Omollo and Pundit opine. It is also necessary to have a Yes-Raila vs Ruto-No lineup to beat Ruto. Kichwa seems to think Ruto is long vanquished but he is woefully off. Omollo the abominable groom is retired in Switzerland.
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I actually agree with Speaker. I don't know why you think I don't. Parliament role is to simply short-circuit referendum by approving people's constitutional changes when it doesn't touch the protected clauses.
But there are other problems that BBI faces - as captured by 8 court cases at the high court. BBI is not popular initiative. Everyone knows it. It's misuse of power.
Pundit your legal incoherence continue to shine
Speaker Muturi rules MPs cannot amend BBI Bill
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-05-04-speaker-muturi-rules-mps-cannot-amend-bbi-bill/
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Why would Ruto want BBI to pass in parliament. To hand Uhuru more power?
Ruto people will vote NO. Ruto understand Uhuru gameplan INSIDE OUT. He has counter-intelligence. He understand Uhuru thinking.
Raila will decide....if he get lied (very likely going by push and pull) - then he will vote YES (like the moron he is) - unless senators/MPS of ODM go rouge.
It appear Orengo and his better trained strategist are going NO. They can see the trap Uhuru is setting up.
While Raila's Robina TYPE FOOLS (WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET TYPE LIE TO ME 1000 time) have swalloed Uhuru lie, HOOK, LINE and SINKER.
As soon as parliament passes BBI - why would Uhuru need Raila?
All he need is Kihara to remove 1 or 2 useless things like Ombusdman - for referendum - and as of next week - BBI will be LAW.
Muturi already gave the roadmap. Kihara will split that BBI into Uhuru BBI - and Raila's BBI. Uhuru will ammend the Katiba now. Raila will be given his BBI and told to engage Chebukati :) for referendum.
Chebukati will say he's too busy with 6 elections. Meanwhile Uhuru's BBI will start action before end of may. While you wait for BBI as 2022 COMBO :) :)
In short AG Kihara will correct any "typographical errors" - including sneak in Uhuru pension :) Anyway I opined earlier it obvious Raila did not want BBI passed in parliament (which Ruto did) for fear Uhuru would shortchange him. This emerging setup is best for Raila:- Ruto must decide Yes or No cause Simpleton Wanjiku thinks in binary. Being Watermelon is akin to not having a manifesto.
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Any such clauses 1)need 2/3 of both MPs and senate. 2)must be in a separate bill as a bill cannot be both popular and parliamentary. Ergo referendum is a must for ENTIRE bill. Duhh
I actually agree with Speaker. I don't know why you think I don't. Parliament role is to simply short-circuit referendum by approving people's constitutional changes when it doesn't touch the protected clauses.
If BBI is not a popular initiative how exactly do you agree with Muturi? :o Of course it is a popular initiative - your confusion lies in when does a process kick in? Aukot sat in his bedroom with his wife and drafted PMI; Haji wazee drafted BBI - so long as 1M signatures plus MCAs assented both are popular initiatives.
There is nothing weighty about the Ndii & Kivutha cases in high court - they are all quite frivolous. There is no referendum law to be violated. Ati "public money will be wasted" and such arguments :) You are very legally inept.
But there are other problems that BBI faces - as captured by 8 court cases at the high court. BBI is not popular initiative. Everyone knows it. It's misuse of power.
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Uhuru will decide if referendum is a must or not. Read the constitution. My understanding is that clauses that do not touch on protected clause are as good as amended if parliament okay it.
Now BBI 90% is on safe clauses - logical think to do is to remove those clauses - 10% that affect the constitution and subject them to a referendum.
You cannot throw away the bath water with baby.
There in lies Uhuru and Kihara next role.
Heck Uhuru can even decide that BBI doesn't touch any protected clause :) and constitution will become huge mess in next 7 days- what will you do :)
The only SURE PROOF way to get referendum or Uhuru commitment to one is therefore for Senate to reject - if Raila is smart - and for parliament to pass (for optics - that BBI is not unpopular) - and 70 constitutuency is good excuse.
I see that gameplan.
Any such clauses 1)need 2/3 of both MPs and senate. 2)must be in a separate bill as a bill cannot be both popular and parliamentary. Ergo referendum is a must for ENTIRE bill. Duhh
I actually agree with Speaker. I don't know why you think I don't. Parliament role is to simply short-circuit referendum by approving people's constitutional changes when it doesn't touch the protected clauses.
If BBI is not a popular initiative how exactly do you agree with Muturi? :o Of course it is a popular initiative - your confusion lies in when does a process kick in? Aukot sat in his bedroom with his wife and drafted PMI; Haji wazee drafted BBI - so long as 1M signatures plus MCAs assented both are popular initiatives.
There is nothing weighty about the Ndii & Kivutha cases in high court - they are all quite frivolous. There is no referendum law to be violated. Ati "public money will be wasted" and such arguments :) You are very legally inept.
But there are other problems that BBI faces - as captured by 8 court cases at the high court. BBI is not popular initiative. Everyone knows it. It's misuse of power.
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Good laugh about Ruto understand Uhuru thinking. Like really :) I doubt even Mama Ngina does. Go slow on hubris.
Ruto vs Raila - who wants BBI to pass in parliament?
Obviously Raila needs BBI matchup to beat Ruto. BBI splits the animal so that he can string along NASA plus Gema. If new MPs and 1M1S pass in parliament, Gema-Uhuru would not need Raila. So Raila wants referendum on entire BBI. But Ruto would benefit if Gema goodies don't need referendum. Now Ruto must face Gema and explain why he is opposing their payday... 1M1V1S. Or he can join Yes - and last vestiges of hustler narrative die. Or well he can remain watermelon :) - damned if he does, damned if he does not.
Why is BBI 2022 combo?
Because you can see all the mark-timing. All the sweet time to hold Bomas, validation, counties, referendum law. It deliberate then they can claim to save 14B for youth-women and make it 2022 combo. Chebukati is mere chairman and will be overruled by commissioners if he bring nyoko-nyoko about 7-ballot election. Of course it rich for people demanding 40Q multiple choice to cry about mere single extra Yes-No ballot.
Why would Ruto want BBI to pass in parliament. To hand Uhuru more power?
Ruto people will vote NO. Ruto understand Uhuru gameplan INSIDE OUT. He has counter-intelligence. He understand Uhuru thinking.
Raila will decide....if he get lied (very likely going by push and pull) - then he will vote YES (like the moron he is) - unless senators/MPS of ODM go rouge.
It appear Orengo and his better trained strategist are going NO. They can see the trap Uhuru is setting up.
While Raila's Robina TYPE FOOLS (WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET TYPE LIE TO ME 1000 time) have swalloed Uhuru lie, HOOK, LINE and SINKER.
As soon as parliament passes BBI - why would Uhuru need Raila?
All he need is Kihara to remove 1 or 2 useless things like Ombusdman - for referendum - and as of next week - BBI will be LAW.
Muturi already gave the roadmap. Kihara will split that BBI into Uhuru BBI - and Raila's BBI. Uhuru will ammend the Katiba now. Raila will be given his BBI and told to engage Chebukati :) for referendum.
Chebukati will say he's too busy with 6 elections. Meanwhile Uhuru's BBI will start action before end of may. While you wait for BBI as 2022 COMBO :) :)
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Ruto has refuse your binary - yes or no - brain - and added option C - NOT INTERESTED - NOT A PRIORITY - I CANNOT ANSWER - I DON' T KNOW - NOT APPLICABLE.
Ruto remember is playing a tough game of APPEASING GEMA AND NON_GEMA. Nobody has done this before. He has to do WIN-WIN. YES-YES NON-NO - but generally he is asking kenya to skipe YES/ NO - answer NOT a Priority - SKIP to Question 2 (BOTTOM UP HUSTLER NATION).
That is what you've missed from day one.
Ruto is very tactical and strategic - that is why Uhuru despite the enormous power - is still sweating as we speak - and gorging himself with food.
Raila has sacrified NON_GEMA - for the GEMA - but are looking his desperation - with even more contempt :) :)
Good laugh about Ruto understand Uhuru thinking. Like really :) I doubt even Mama Ngina does. Go slow on hubris.
Ruto vs Raila - who wants BBI to pass in parliament?
Obviously Raila needs BBI matchup to beat Ruto. BBI splits the animal so that he can string along NASA plus Gema. If new MPs and 1M1S pass in parliament, Gema-Uhuru would not need Raila. So Raila wants referendum on entire BBI. But Ruto would benefit if Gema goodies don't need referendum. Now Ruto must face Gema and explain why he is opposing their payday... 1M1V1S. Or he can join Yes - and last vestiges of hustler narrative die. Or well he can remain watermelon :) - damned if he does, damned if he does not.
Why is BBI 2022 combo?
Because you can see all the mark-timing. All the sweet time to hold Bomas, validation, counties, referendum law. It deliberate then they can claim to save 14B for youth-women and make it 2022 combo. Chebukati is mere chairman and will be overruled by commissioners if he bring nyoko-nyoko about 7-ballot election. Of course it rich for people demanding 40Q multiple choice to cry about mere single extra Yes-No ballot.
Why would Ruto want BBI to pass in parliament. To hand Uhuru more power?
Ruto people will vote NO. Ruto understand Uhuru gameplan INSIDE OUT. He has counter-intelligence. He understand Uhuru thinking.
Raila will decide....if he get lied (very likely going by push and pull) - then he will vote YES (like the moron he is) - unless senators/MPS of ODM go rouge.
It appear Orengo and his better trained strategist are going NO. They can see the trap Uhuru is setting up.
While Raila's Robina TYPE FOOLS (WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET TYPE LIE TO ME 1000 time) have swalloed Uhuru lie, HOOK, LINE and SINKER.
As soon as parliament passes BBI - why would Uhuru need Raila?
All he need is Kihara to remove 1 or 2 useless things like Ombusdman - for referendum - and as of next week - BBI will be LAW.
Muturi already gave the roadmap. Kihara will split that BBI into Uhuru BBI - and Raila's BBI. Uhuru will ammend the Katiba now. Raila will be given his BBI and told to engage Chebukati :) for referendum.
Chebukati will say he's too busy with 6 elections. Meanwhile Uhuru's BBI will start action before end of may. While you wait for BBI as 2022 COMBO :) :)
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Ruto worships money - stealing, looting massive wealth. Not so much Raila. I think that explain Raila seeing no urgency to form GNU and loot. Some Luo and ODM MPs hate him for it.
Raila wants real power to fulfill his ideals:- social democracy, liberalism-equality, etc. Of course to you he wants revenge. Perspectives and principles.
The madness. I am talking now. And you're talking the future (wishes). And yet you attribute my thoughts as wishes.
If the world ends today - what will Raila says the handshake has delivered to him? Forget about BBI and 2022 - for now - that is the future - A WISH.
Now what we know Uhuru is promising the future to Raila but he is running gov alone - appointing as he wishes - mostly GEMA friends - and pushing development to his region. That is now.
Now - both Raila and Ruto - are out of power. Ruto has backdoor to power through the patronage network he created in Jubilee 1.0. Raila power comes from "closeness" to Uhuru. It's NOT REAL power like 1/4 Raila had in NARA. It's probably 0.1% of power. Ruto of course had 60% of power in Jubilee 1.0 and made it count.
Now tell me who is wishful...someone who has figured out all the BBI maze - declared it 2022 manifesto.
Or someone like me - who is watching reality - of the politics and judiciary - as the days go!
You're a nut case like Kenya Plato.
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Why can't he ask Uhuru to give him 1/4 of power to get some social democracy at least started. Nothing stop Raila now from starting some of those nice things if Uhuru is genuinely interested. BUT WELL WAIT FOR BBI - KILA kitu. You're naive. This cut throat game that Raila is not prepared for.
Ruto worships money - stealing, looting massive wealth. Not so much Raila. I think that explain Raila seeing no urgency to form GNU and loot. Some Luo and ODM MPs hate him for it.
Raila wants real power to fulfill his ideals:- social democracy, liberalism-equality, etc. Of course to you he wants revenge. Perspectives and principles.
The madness. I am talking now. And you're talking the future (wishes). And yet you attribute my thoughts as wishes.
If the world ends today - what will Raila says the handshake has delivered to him? Forget about BBI and 2022 - for now - that is the future - A WISH.
Now what we know Uhuru is promising the future to Raila but he is running gov alone - appointing as he wishes - mostly GEMA friends - and pushing development to his region. That is now.
Now - both Raila and Ruto - are out of power. Ruto has backdoor to power through the patronage network he created in Jubilee 1.0. Raila power comes from "closeness" to Uhuru. It's NOT REAL power like 1/4 Raila had in NARA. It's probably 0.1% of power. Ruto of course had 60% of power in Jubilee 1.0 and made it count.
Now tell me who is wishful...someone who has figured out all the BBI maze - declared it 2022 manifesto.
Or someone like me - who is watching reality - of the politics and judiciary - as the days go!
You're a nut case like Kenya Plato.
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I am actually okay with the 3 options - yes, no, watermelon. How does the watermelon lineup look like? Indulge us - ASSUME BBI is Aug 2022 combo... you have YES camp Raila-One Kenya lineup Robina the Oracle already revealed to you: Raila PORK-Kalonzo VP-PKenneth PM-Mdvd DPM-Matiangí DPM.
How does Ruto's lineup look while he is "not interested" in BBI?
Ruto has refuse your binary - yes or no - brain - and added option C - NOT INTERESTED - NOT A PRIORITY - I CANNOT ANSWER - I DON' T KNOW - NOT APPLICABLE.
That is what you've missed from day one.
Ruto is very tactical and strategic - that is why Uhuru despite the enormous power - is still sweating as we speak - and gorging himself with food.
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Raila non-Gema strategy is One Kenya who have run circles around Ruto. Hustler narrative effectively died in Machakos... this Prof Ndungú Njuguna ponzi scheme is just more abracadbra that already got knocked out by tribe in round one.
BBI lineup is NARC... Ruto UDA is 2002 Kanu of Kalenjin-NEP-few Kikuyu if any survive like say Kihika.
You need to accept Raila has Uhuru support as far as we know. Laughing off his "naivety" or deluding yourself that Ruto knows Uhuru inside out... is too much conjecture. The news will tell us when there is a serious fallout or makeover, for now work with known facts.
ODM-One Kenya-Uhuru... Ruto is so toast.
Ruto has refuse your binary - yes or no - brain - and added option C - NOT INTERESTED - NOT A PRIORITY - I CANNOT ANSWER - I DON' T KNOW - NOT APPLICABLE.
Ruto remember is playing a tough game of APPEASING GEMA AND NON_GEMA. Nobody has done this before. He has to do WIN-WIN. YES-YES NON-NO - but generally he is asking kenya to skipe YES/ NO - answer NOT a Priority - SKIP to Question 2 (BOTTOM UP HUSTLER NATION).
That is what you've missed from day one.
Ruto is very tactical and strategic - that is why Uhuru despite the enormous power - is still sweating as we speak - and gorging himself with food.
Raila has sacrified NON_GEMA and GEMA are looking his desperation - with even more contempt :) :)
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Power with or without BBI can be shared. How did Ruto and Uhuru do it in 2013/2017? You make it sound like BBI is only way to win elections? Ruto will have his team - and their MOU.
Ruto will have his team. He will tell them if BBI passes - you become PM - if not you become Leader of Majority - or well in opposition leader of Minority.
Ruto first is very interested in GEMA - and then flower girls!
I mean seriously how many votes does Gideon or MaDVD or Weta bring?
Ruto is keen to do 50-50 with GEMA. The rest will be promised even HEAVEN ON EARTH PRIME MINISTER OF PRIME MINSTERS>
I am actually okay with the 3 options - yes, no, watermelon. How does the watermelon lineup look like? Indulge us - ASSUME BBI is Aug 2022 combo... you have YES camp Raila-One Kenya lineup Robina the Oracle already revealed to you: Raila PORK-Kalonzo VP-PKenneth PM-Mdvd DPM-Matiangí DPM.
How does Ruto's lineup look while he is "not interested" in BBI?
Ruto has refuse your binary - yes or no - brain - and added option C - NOT INTERESTED - NOT A PRIORITY - I CANNOT ANSWER - I DON' T KNOW - NOT APPLICABLE.
That is what you've missed from day one.
Ruto is very tactical and strategic - that is why Uhuru despite the enormous power - is still sweating as we speak - and gorging himself with food.
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If GEMA can trust Raila - then he wins :) But they won't and I know from my 30yrs of punditry.
Raila non-Gema strategy is One Kenya who have run circles around Ruto. Hustler narrative effectively died in Machakos... this Prof Ndungú Njuguna ponzi scheme is just more abracadbra that already got knocked out by tribe in round one.
BBI lineup is NARC... Ruto UDA is 2002 Kanu of Kalenjin-NEP-few Kikuyu if any survive like say Kihika.
You need to accept Raila has Uhuru support as far as we know. Laughing off his "naivety" or deluding yourself that Ruto knows Uhuru inside out... is too much conjecture. The news will tell us when there is a serious fallout or makeover, for now work with known facts.
ODM-One Kenya-Uhuru... Ruto is so toast.
Ruto has refuse your binary - yes or no - brain - and added option C - NOT INTERESTED - NOT A PRIORITY - I CANNOT ANSWER - I DON' T KNOW - NOT APPLICABLE.
Ruto remember is playing a tough game of APPEASING GEMA AND NON_GEMA. Nobody has done this before. He has to do WIN-WIN. YES-YES NON-NO - but generally he is asking kenya to skipe YES/ NO - answer NOT a Priority - SKIP to Question 2 (BOTTOM UP HUSTLER NATION).
That is what you've missed from day one.
Ruto is very tactical and strategic - that is why Uhuru despite the enormous power - is still sweating as we speak - and gorging himself with food.
Raila has sacrified NON_GEMA and GEMA are looking his desperation - with even more contempt :) :)
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Pundit what is new about hustler that got so clobbered in Kamba, Luhya, Gusii? What is Prof Njuguna doing that Prof Ndii could not? You think a new powerpoint will resurrect the UDA mzoga. :)
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UDA is busy with registration and party structures - and coming up with manifesto- their own BBI.
Now let tell you BBI will NOT INCREASE POWER in Kenya. THE POWER which you can call - kenya budget of 30B dollars annual - will increase with our economy.
Ruto is now DP - but he has no power.
In Jubilee 1.0 he was DP - and had power due to 50-50 deal - he a mere VP but was appointing ministers, and name it. That power did NOT COME FROM DEPUTY PRESIDENT office. It came from Uhuru and political reality of Uhuru needing to be re-elected.
BBI is nonsense on steroid for small kids.
What if I make you a PM - and proceed to ignore you like Ruto? You cannot fire or hire minister. You'll be calling meeting like Matiangi and ministers will send junior level PS :) :). After a few months - you'll get busy - somehow :)
Or the president can go ahead and issues EXECUTIVE ORDER OF 2023 - that declares RV Pundit the coordinator of gov ;) :) What will you do as prime minister ?
Heck Raila in NARA - versus Muthaura. Which PNU minister would attend Raila meeting - NONE. Muthaura everyone knew was real gov supervisor and coordinator.
What is important for Ruto is to get GEMA to commit new partneship agreement based on 50-50 like Jubilee 1.0 and to treat Uhuru aberration as 'urogi'.
Once Ruto has renewed the partneship with GEMA - and has not dropped the ball - despite massive propaganda - it GAME (GEMA) SHOT! The NON_GEMA provide rigging proof margins...
Pundit what is new about hustler that got so clobbered in Kamba, Luhya, Gusii? What is Prof Njuguna doing that Prof Ndii could not? You think a new powerpoint will resurrect the UDA mzoga. :)
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Ndii is an overweight buffoon, does he really think Lootall gives a hoot about the flowery pro poor policies he is crafting if he ascends to power? He will be lucky if he is not locked up Moi style, that red eyed kid has dictatorial tendencies. Those close to power say Uhuru usually tempered his hardline stances during the first jubilee administration, dude wanted to lock up and kill everyone. I don't expect much either from Raila, Africans are experts at making good noises, all have high minded ideals on paper but they usually fizzle out once in power. Raila is also locked into an unwinnable Faustian bargain with Uhuru/uthamkistan and our major creditor - China to let him win. He has no leeway, it will be excuses galore once becomes PORK, we have to rise taxes, and what not. Don't expect solutions to come from the current political elites.
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UDA is busy with registration and party structures - and coming up with manifesto- their own BBI.
Now let tell you BBI will NOT INCREASE POWER in Kenya. THE POWER which you can call - kenya budget of 30B dollars annual - will increase with our economy.
Ruto is now DP - but he has no power.
In Jubilee 1.0 he was DP - and had power due to 50-50 deal - he a mere VP but was appointing ministers, and name it. That power did NOT COME FROM DEPUTY PRESIDENT office. It came from Uhuru and political reality of Uhuru needing to be re-elected.
BBI is nonsense on steroid for small kids.
What if I make you a PM - and proceed to ignore you like Ruto? You cannot fire or hire minister. You'll be calling meeting like Matiangi and ministers will send junior level PS :) :). After a few months - you'll get busy - somehow :)
Or the president can go ahead and issues EXECUTIVE ORDER OF 2023 - that declares RV Pundit the coordinator of gov ;) :) What will you do as prime minister ?
Heck Raila in NARA - versus Muthaura. Which PNU minister would attend Raila meeting - NONE. Muthaura everyone knew was real gov supervisor and coordinator.
What is important for Ruto is to get GEMA to commit new partneship agreement based on 50-50 like Jubilee 1.0 and to treat Uhuru aberration as 'urogi'.
Once Ruto has renewed the partneship with GEMA - and has not dropped the ball - despite massive propaganda - it GAME (GEMA) SHOT! The NON_GEMA provide rigging proof margins...
You speak like Ruto controls IEBC.
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Hehehehe-we have had this bravado predictions before. You told us that BBI would not get the requisite 75% of the counties and it surpassed that easily. Ruto was lied to for a long time that the presidency would be handed over to him and we now know that is not going to happen. You also told us that Kalenjins unlike Luos cannot be betrayed-well the betrayal is almost complete and I only see surrender. I do not think Ruto is out, but he has been cut to size considerably. He was literally sleep walking to the presidency until the one-two-punch from handshake and BBI that stunned him. Even if he recovers now, his best bet is an alliance with RAO. Ouru cannot compromise with him because Ruto's presidency is an existential threat to the Okuyu oligarchs headed by the presidents own brother. Just like when Ruto had to choose between RAO and Ouru in 2013, he chose Ouru because the kikuyus held the instruments of power, RAO too will choose ouru because Ouru holds the instruments of power. Its all coming back to 2013, except the tables have been turned on Ruto this time.
Why would Ruto want BBI to pass in parliament. To hand Uhuru more power?
Ruto people will vote NO. Ruto understand Uhuru gameplan INSIDE OUT. He has counter-intelligence. He understand Uhuru thinking.
Raila will decide....if he get lied (very likely going by push and pull) - then he will vote YES (like the moron he is) - unless senators/MPS of ODM go rouge.
It appear Orengo and his better trained strategist are going NO. They can see the trap Uhuru is setting up.
While Raila's Robina TYPE FOOLS (WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET TYPE LIE TO ME 1000 time) have swalloed Uhuru lie, HOOK, LINE and SINKER.
As soon as parliament passes BBI - why would Uhuru need Raila?
All he need is Kihara to remove 1 or 2 useless things like Ombusdman - for referendum - and as of next week - BBI will be LAW.
Muturi already gave the roadmap. Kihara will split that BBI into Uhuru BBI - and Raila's BBI. Uhuru will ammend the Katiba now. Raila will be given his BBI and told to engage Chebukati :) for referendum.
Chebukati will say he's too busy with 6 elections. Meanwhile Uhuru's BBI will start action before end of may. While you wait for BBI as 2022 COMBO :) :)
In short AG Kihara will correct any "typographical errors" - including sneak in Uhuru pension :) Anyway I opined earlier it obvious Raila did not want BBI passed in parliament (which Ruto did) for fear Uhuru would shortchange him. This emerging setup is best for Raila:- Ruto must decide Yes or No cause Simpleton Wanjiku thinks in binary. Being Watermelon is akin to not having a manifesto.
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Even if BBI passes, what will it benefit Raila? And I'm not retired. I parted from Raila on principle. We had Uthamaki by the balls. He let his wife negotiate a deal even satan wouldn't make & signed up for it. His offenses against citizens are many. He used his proxies to refuse compensation for the boys hurt, maimed and killed fighting for him. Raila simply thought about his stomach.
Pundit has listed the bad deals he's cut over the years. All of them were terrible. It's like he goes out of his way to please & placate an enemy he's defeated and who is kneeling down in surrender and gets him up and crowns him! I let it pass in 2008 but I'm damned to keep supporting cluelessness in this day and age. Never!
We possibly get nothing as Ruto appears on top of his game minus the Ndii nonsense. But so will Raila. Uthamaki has got a big tarimbo in the furnace fire. It's nearly red hot and they'll drive it in Raila's ass as you scream. Show me one agreement Uthamaki kept and I'll give you my bitcoin address and password
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Poor Kichwa like Raila has yet to realize that Uhuru is going home. He doesn't represent GEMA future but past. It's like going to negotiate with Kibaki for gema throne. It gonna end in tears.
As for Kalenjin betrayal - tell me one kalenjin fired - by Uhuru - and not replaced by a fellow Kalenjin. We still have all our 50-50 positions intact. It only Ruto who has been reduced to a figure head...and GEMA people are committed to Ruto.
This is what is driving you guys insane...GEMA are with Ruto..and Raila has NOT made any dent 4yrs later..but you expect somehow in 2022..Uhuru will issue executive order to GEMA nation to back Raila :).
It will end in premium tears.
Hehehehe-we have had this bravado predictions before. You told us that BBI would not get the requisite 75% of the counties and it surpassed that easily. Ruto was lied to for a long time that the presidency would be handed over to him and we now know that is not going to happen. You also told us that Kalenjins unlike Luos cannot be betrayed-well the betrayal is almost complete and I only see surrender. I do not think Ruto is out, but he has been cut to size considerably. He was literally sleep walking to the presidency until the one-two-punch from handshake and BBI that stunned him. Even if he recovers now, his best bet is an alliance with RAO. Ouru cannot compromise with him because Ruto's presidency is an existential threat to the Okuyu oligarchs headed by the presidents own brother. Just like when Ruto had to choose between RAO and Ouru in 2013, he chose Ouru because the kikuyus held the instruments of power, RAO too will choose ouru because Ouru holds the instruments of power. Its all coming back to 2013, except the tables have been turned on Ruto this time.
Why would Ruto want BBI to pass in parliament. To hand Uhuru more power?
Ruto people will vote NO. Ruto understand Uhuru gameplan INSIDE OUT. He has counter-intelligence. He understand Uhuru thinking.
Raila will decide....if he get lied (very likely going by push and pull) - then he will vote YES (like the moron he is) - unless senators/MPS of ODM go rouge.
It appear Orengo and his better trained strategist are going NO. They can see the trap Uhuru is setting up.
While Raila's Robina TYPE FOOLS (WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET TYPE LIE TO ME 1000 time) have swalloed Uhuru lie, HOOK, LINE and SINKER.
As soon as parliament passes BBI - why would Uhuru need Raila?
All he need is Kihara to remove 1 or 2 useless things like Ombusdman - for referendum - and as of next week - BBI will be LAW.
Muturi already gave the roadmap. Kihara will split that BBI into Uhuru BBI - and Raila's BBI. Uhuru will ammend the Katiba now. Raila will be given his BBI and told to engage Chebukati :) for referendum.
Chebukati will say he's too busy with 6 elections. Meanwhile Uhuru's BBI will start action before end of may. While you wait for BBI as 2022 COMBO :) :)
In short AG Kihara will correct any "typographical errors" - including sneak in Uhuru pension :) Anyway I opined earlier it obvious Raila did not want BBI passed in parliament (which Ruto did) for fear Uhuru would shortchange him. This emerging setup is best for Raila:- Ruto must decide Yes or No cause Simpleton Wanjiku thinks in binary. Being Watermelon is akin to not having a manifesto.
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We still have Chirchir :). How did Kibaki win in 2002 and Raila in 2005 referendum. And how comes Raila did not win in 2013 when Oswago from Bondo was IEBC CEO, Raila was in charge of procurement and had half-goverment.
Elections in kenya at this point is very hard to rig. If you're lazying around thinking someone will rig Raila in - think again. Maina Kia rulling that polling station is the final tallying center - makes rigging so granular it's going to be very hard to manipulate 50,000 polling stations - each with max of 500 votes.
The only rigged election in recent times is 2007 because Kibaki and Raila margin were very tight...so tight it was riggable. This was predicted. Ruto himself told Raila and group about it before election. Raila cried and besieged Ruto. Kalonzo who should have been ODM candidate was going to win with same referendum margin of 58% or about. When Kalonzo bolted...with his 10%...Raila came down to 45%...so close to Kibaki 43%...and Ruto told him Kibaki would easily pad numbers to bridge the gap....and he did exactly that....ending up beating Raila by 100k or so votes.
If election were rigged - how comes MOASS predict the winners with almost perfect precision :) .
The next game after appointment of IEBC commisioners is vote registration - and that is where election is half-won - if you don't register as many voters as some region do - you're starting to lose.
You speak like Ruto controls IEBC.
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We still have Chirchir :). How did Kibaki win in 2002 and Raila in 2005 referendum. And how comes Raila did not win in 2013 when Oswago from Bondo was IEBC CEO, Raila was in charge of procurement and had half-goverment.
Elections in kenya at this point is very hard to rig. If you're lazying around thinking someone will rig Raila in - think again. Maina Kia rulling that polling station is the final tallying center - makes rigging so granular it's going to be very hard to manipulate 50,000 polling stations - each with max of 500 votes.
The only rigged election in recent times is 2007 because Kibaki and Raila margin were very tight...so tight it was riggable. This was predicted. Ruto himself told Raila and group about it before election. Raila cried and besieged Ruto. Kalonzo who should have been ODM candidate was going to win with same referendum margin of 58% or about. When Kalonzo bolted...with his 10%...Raila came down to 45%...so close to Kibaki 43%...and Ruto told him Kibaki would easily pad numbers to bridge the gap....and he did exactly that....ending up beating Raila by 100k or so votes.
If election were rigged - how comes MOASS predict the winners with almost perfect precision :) .
The next game after appointment of IEBC commisioners is vote registration - and that is where election is half-won - if you don't register as many voters as some region do - you're starting to lose.
We are headed for a run off.1 We can easily predict how that will go.
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Yes look increasingly like a run-off scenario for the first time.
We are headed for a run off.1 We can easily predict how that will go.
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BBI is better than any MOU. Why would a Joho or Kingi or Mutua back Ruto - while BBI allow him to be MP and possibly CS under Raila?
About 100B gdp... Prof Ndung'u ponzi scheme cannot change that. Hustler or wheelbarrow is just a slogan not a genuine transformation. Why is UDA back to the drawing board - with new professor after hiring all Ndii's and Owallos - is because class was beaten hands-down by tribe on March 4th & 18th. It an attempt to breathe air into a carcass - akin to Jesus miracle with Lazarus of Bethany, son of Nain and Jairus' daughter. Resurrecting hustler mzoga is more herculean than passing BBI.
Non-GEMA
Hustler nonsense is dead. One-Kenya killed it. With BBI lineup Raila has non-Gema bulk. Ruto has bulk of pastoralists. In NEP his crew impeached Wajir governor last week for preaching BBI.
GEMA
Boils down to Uhuru. With hustler dead, watermelon won't cut it as BBI is Gema windfall. Being "neutral" in BBI election remind me of UK Brexit-election and the fate of "neutral" Labor Party. Worst performance in 85 years. Ruto will quit politics in shame ala Jeremy Corbyn - after the dog-beating.
UDA is busy with registration and party structures - and coming up with manifesto- their own BBI.
Now let tell you BBI will NOT INCREASE POWER in Kenya. THE POWER which you can call - kenya budget of 30B dollars annual - will increase with our economy.
Ruto is now DP - but he has no power.
In Jubilee 1.0 he was DP - and had power due to 50-50 deal - he a mere VP but was appointing ministers, and name it. That power did NOT COME FROM DEPUTY PRESIDENT office. It came from Uhuru and political reality of Uhuru needing to be re-elected.
BBI is nonsense on steroid for small kids.
What if I make you a PM - and proceed to ignore you like Ruto? You cannot fire or hire minister. You'll be calling meeting like Matiangi and ministers will send junior level PS :) :). After a few months - you'll get busy - somehow :)
Or the president can go ahead and issues EXECUTIVE ORDER OF 2023 - that declares RV Pundit the coordinator of gov ;) :) What will you do as prime minister ?
Heck Raila in NARA - versus Muthaura. Which PNU minister would attend Raila meeting - NONE. Muthaura everyone knew was real gov supervisor and coordinator.
What is important for Ruto is to get GEMA to commit new partneship agreement based on 50-50 like Jubilee 1.0 and to treat Uhuru aberration as 'urogi'.
Once Ruto has renewed the partneship with GEMA - and has not dropped the ball - despite massive propaganda - it GAME (GEMA) SHOT! The NON_GEMA provide rigging proof margins...
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Anyway Pundit - from this thread... BBI is passing parliament without amendments. I know you are now hanging on AG Kihara mischief to pass some clauses. In few days we will see that won't happen - more of your fake punditry. Next high court dismiss Ndii nonsense - in Aug - few CoA noises by Dec. Then Uhuru-Raila claim it costly to spend 14B on referendum and propose to "save" the cash for youth by 7-ballot combo.
Sticky this :) Prof Ndung'u cannot save you.
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My dear Omollo I withdraw this low punch :)
As usual you conflate your wishes with your punditry. BBI is 2022 combo - there are no numbers to pre-pass any clauses as Omollo and Pundit opine. It is also necessary to have a Yes-Raila vs Ruto-No lineup to beat Ruto. Kichwa seems to think Ruto is long vanquished but he is woefully off. Omollo the abominable groom is retired in Switzerland.
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Of course you will stick to your narrative until its proven wrong then find away to change the goal post again.
Poor Kichwa like Raila has yet to realize that Uhuru is going home. He doesn't represent GEMA future but past. It's like going to negotiate with Kibaki for gema throne. It gonna end in tears.
As for Kalenjin betrayal - tell me one kalenjin fired - by Uhuru - and not replaced by a fellow Kalenjin. We still have all our 50-50 positions intact. It only Ruto who has been reduced to a figure head...and GEMA people are committed to Ruto.
This is what is driving you guys insane...GEMA are with Ruto..and Raila has NOT made any dent 4yrs later..but you expect somehow in 2022..Uhuru will issue executive order to GEMA nation to back Raila :).
It will end in premium tears.
Hehehehe-we have had this bravado predictions before. You told us that BBI would not get the requisite 75% of the counties and it surpassed that easily. Ruto was lied to for a long time that the presidency would be handed over to him and we now know that is not going to happen. You also told us that Kalenjins unlike Luos cannot be betrayed-well the betrayal is almost complete and I only see surrender. I do not think Ruto is out, but he has been cut to size considerably. He was literally sleep walking to the presidency until the one-two-punch from handshake and BBI that stunned him. Even if he recovers now, his best bet is an alliance with RAO. Ouru cannot compromise with him because Ruto's presidency is an existential threat to the Okuyu oligarchs headed by the presidents own brother. Just like when Ruto had to choose between RAO and Ouru in 2013, he chose Ouru because the kikuyus held the instruments of power, RAO too will choose ouru because Ouru holds the instruments of power. Its all coming back to 2013, except the tables have been turned on Ruto this time.
Why would Ruto want BBI to pass in parliament. To hand Uhuru more power?
Ruto people will vote NO. Ruto understand Uhuru gameplan INSIDE OUT. He has counter-intelligence. He understand Uhuru thinking.
Raila will decide....if he get lied (very likely going by push and pull) - then he will vote YES (like the moron he is) - unless senators/MPS of ODM go rouge.
It appear Orengo and his better trained strategist are going NO. They can see the trap Uhuru is setting up.
While Raila's Robina TYPE FOOLS (WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET TYPE LIE TO ME 1000 time) have swalloed Uhuru lie, HOOK, LINE and SINKER.
As soon as parliament passes BBI - why would Uhuru need Raila?
All he need is Kihara to remove 1 or 2 useless things like Ombusdman - for referendum - and as of next week - BBI will be LAW.
Muturi already gave the roadmap. Kihara will split that BBI into Uhuru BBI - and Raila's BBI. Uhuru will ammend the Katiba now. Raila will be given his BBI and told to engage Chebukati :) for referendum.
Chebukati will say he's too busy with 6 elections. Meanwhile Uhuru's BBI will start action before end of may. While you wait for BBI as 2022 COMBO :) :)
In short AG Kihara will correct any "typographical errors" - including sneak in Uhuru pension :) Anyway I opined earlier it obvious Raila did not want BBI passed in parliament (which Ruto did) for fear Uhuru would shortchange him. This emerging setup is best for Raila:- Ruto must decide Yes or No cause Simpleton Wanjiku thinks in binary. Being Watermelon is akin to not having a manifesto.
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Pundit's new gospel is that Gema laity will remain with Ruto despite the Uhuru betrayal. You are right it goes against his cherished MOAS - and no doubt he has flexible, dodgy principles.
Of course you will stick to your narrative until its proven wrong then find away to change the goal post again.
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You are wrong on arrests on camera , all those oligarchs in the meeting I can name the offhead , some flew weeks later , some became Putins friends and other were arrested much later .
Now so that I dont deviate , you are very right in what you say in regards to Uhuru and stooge, stooges never work, a propotion of the oligarchs thought by puting Putin there he would act as a stooge , another were good in cutting deals with Putin including Yesltin ,wife ,daughter and the husband . The latter eventually found out it was the better deal.
My point in a few words, Uhuru will eventually find out its better to cut a deal with Ruto (Plan B) rather than try to impose a stooge(Plan A). Its a zero sum game.
You corrected nothing.
Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.
They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.
I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV
Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!
The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.
Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.
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This was Railas plan until he realised much later Mt Kenya cannot vote him and secondly Uhuru shafted him proper on BBI.
Handshake and BBI saved Kenya from Ruto dictatorship. Mike Tyson used to say, "you have a plan until you are hit". Ruto had a plan which he thought was full proof until he was hit with a left and a right (handshake and then BBI). Ruto was arrogantly sleep walking to the presidency and then handshake happened then before he could recover, BBI exposed him. Even with the handshake, Ruto was still doing well in Mt. Kenya and was still calling RAO Mganga, after Mt. Kenya figured out that they stood to gain a lot with BBI, they abandoned Ruto quickly. RAO on the other hand was on the outside but he squeezed himself "katikati ya ouru na WSR", using handshake and BBI. Now both Ouru and WSR, need RAO to retain power. As far as I am concerned, BBI has done its job and even it it is killed by the court, it will not change the new political reality-both sides need RAO to retain or get power. If Ouru betrays RAO, RAO can always put together a deal with Ruto that would shake the Mt. Kenya hegemony for good. RAO can also team up with Ouru and the cerelac kids to vanguish WSR presidential dreams. BBI has been good for RAO but its not necessary henceforth.
Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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Here is Dos Santos stooge -Lourenco- going hammer and tongs after family of larger than Angola godfather.
This is ufool's greatest fears and thus the suicidal political blunders or by all means necessary hare brained schemes of staying powerful.
Responding to criticism from opposition representatives who have said Angola's justice system is still not independent, Lourenco said while it "may have been the case in the past...today they have absolute liberty to act. That is the reason why there are so many trials, particularly related to corruption."
Lourenco acknowledged his role in working under the country's ex-president and African oil mogul, and said he remains committed to tackling the country's graft problem.
"He [dos Santos] stayed in power for almost 40 years," said Lourenco. "No one can say that he or she was not a part of the system. We were all part of the system."
"It is precisely because I have seen these high levels of corruption — and because I think that situation shouldn't continue — that we are fighting what we have seen for decades," he said. "We now have got a chance for change. And this is the right time to do it."
https://www.dw.com/en/angolas-president-joao-lourenco-says-no-negotiations-with-isabel-dos-santos/a-52236850
You are wrong on arrests on camera , all those oligarchs in the meeting I can name the offhead , some flew weeks later , some became Putins friends and other were arrested much later .
Now so that I dont deviate , you are very right in what you say in regards to Uhuru and stooge, stooges never work, a propotion of the oligarchs thought by puting Putin there he would act as a stooge , another were good in cutting deals with Putin including Yesltin ,wife ,daughter and the husband . The latter eventually found out it was the better deal.
My point in a few words, Uhuru will eventually find out its better to cut a deal with Ruto (Plan B) rather than try to impose a stooge(Plan A). Its a zero sum game.
You corrected nothing.
Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.
They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.
I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV
Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!
The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.
Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.
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You realise your line of thought is with Orengos? This is what Orengo &Otiende have been agitating for but guys close to Raila think a contest is priority. They will realise later shadow boxing is much more worse as it doesnt bring either viewership nor money.
You're cashing the future. The same mistake. Raila should have made handshake pay - now and then. But he was promised BBI heaven. It's insanity 101. Ruto doesn't feel any anger with Uhuru because he made Jubilee 1.0 count when he had a chance. In politics and business - window of opportunities open up and closes as quickly.
Now imagine if Ruto and Uhuru were to reconcile? What will Raila go home with? Apart from the Prados?
Raila mid last year had window of opportunity to demand a gov of national unity - and get many of his guys cabinet and gov position of influence - where he can make some changes - of his ODM manifesto.
This possibly the worst - with Moi he got something and started making money - Kibaki the same - with Uhuru he got fake promises :)
Now as we approach 2022 - Raila is broke - he has lost NASA - he is losing core support by blindly supporting unpopular gov - and looks likely he won't even stand in 2022.
All this for BBI - while Uhuru continue to seperate handshake with 2022.
Handshake and BBI saved Kenya from Ruto dictatorship. Mike Tyson used to say, "you have a plan until you are hit". Ruto had a plan which he thought was full proof until he was hit with a left and a right (handshake and then BBI). Ruto was arrogantly sleep walking to the presidency and then handshake happened then before he could recover, BBI exposed him. Even with the handshake, Ruto was still doing well in Mt. Kenya and was still calling RAO Mganga, after Mt. Kenya figured out that they stood to gain a lot with BBI, they abandoned Ruto quickly. RAO on the other hand was on the outside but he squeezed himself "katikati ya ouru na WSR", using handshake and BBI. Now both Ouru and WSR, need RAO to retain power. As far as I am concerned, BBI has done its job and even it it is killed by the court, it will not change the new political reality-both sides need RAO to retain or get power. If Ouru betrays RAO, RAO can always put together a deal with Ruto that would shake the Mt. Kenya hegemony for good. RAO can also team up with Ouru and the cerelac kids to vanguish WSR presidential dreams. BBI has been good for RAO but its not necessary henceforth.
Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI. And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.
Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation
Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.
In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.
Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.
Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.
As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!
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That is the point I disagree with Pundit over. GEMA isn't voting for Raila, Ruto or MaDvD or anybody without pure Uthamaki blood.
What's lacking is mobilization. The MPs went for cash. Uhuru stopped the secret payments from that "window" at Interior when an angry Monica Juma convinced him to shut it after she was snubbed for the Head of Civil Service job.
Look at Ndii: Uhuru sends him a huge tax bill and he's already in Sugoi begging! Notwithstanding publicly insulting Ruto?
So it's money and that can be corrected. Uhuru can offer the MPs, Ndii and others money. They will all repair to pappa.
Did you see how they justified the appointment of Koome? Koome woke up at midnight to write and deliver a judgment quashing an Odunga judgment. She did it without one party. Koome barely made it through vetting because of corruption and perfidy. But Uthamaki scholars were as usual forgiving and full of kind words justifying her appointment.
I'm sorry but Ruto and Raila should prepare for a monumental disappointment if they are expecting votes from Uthamakistanis. Hakuna!
Pundit's new gospel is that Gema laity will remain with Ruto despite the Uhuru betrayal. You are right it goes against his cherished MOAS - and no doubt he has flexible, dodgy principles.
Of course you will stick to your narrative until its proven wrong then find away to change the goal post again.
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He's a much ignored but perfect example of a stooge / robot that malfunctioned
Here is Dos Santos stooge -Lourenco- going hammer and tongs after family of larger than Angola godfather.
This is ufool's greatest fears and thus the suicidal political blunders or by all means necessary hare brained schemes of staying powerful.
Responding to criticism from opposition representatives who have said Angola's justice system is still not independent, Lourenco said while it "may have been the case in the past...today they have absolute liberty to act. That is the reason why there are so many trials, particularly related to corruption."
Lourenco acknowledged his role in working under the country's ex-president and African oil mogul, and said he remains committed to tackling the country's graft problem.
"He [dos Santos] stayed in power for almost 40 years," said Lourenco. "No one can say that he or she was not a part of the system. We were all part of the system."
"It is precisely because I have seen these high levels of corruption — and because I think that situation shouldn't continue — that we are fighting what we have seen for decades," he said. "We now have got a chance for change. And this is the right time to do it."
https://www.dw.com/en/angolas-president-joao-lourenco-says-no-negotiations-with-isabel-dos-santos/a-52236850
You are wrong on arrests on camera , all those oligarchs in the meeting I can name the offhead , some flew weeks later , some became Putins friends and other were arrested much later .
Now so that I dont deviate , you are very right in what you say in regards to Uhuru and stooge, stooges never work, a propotion of the oligarchs thought by puting Putin there he would act as a stooge , another were good in cutting deals with Putin including Yesltin ,wife ,daughter and the husband . The latter eventually found out it was the better deal.
My point in a few words, Uhuru will eventually find out its better to cut a deal with Ruto (Plan B) rather than try to impose a stooge(Plan A). Its a zero sum game.
You corrected nothing.
Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.
They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.
I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV
Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!
The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.
Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.
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You;re on funny cartoon - who has decided that BBI will be part of 2022 election :) - and has gone ahead to draft Raila led coalition with about 10 people - squeezed in about 5 positions :) PORK, DPORK, PM and two DPM. Where will Joho fit in there? When even Wetangula has no number?
Tell you what - let us deal with reality as we know. BBI fate now lies with the judiciary. The 5 bench high court to be precise will decide how we move from here. I suggest you wait until that is dispense with. As for parliament and senate - their role is ceremonial - so it really too much ado about nothing.
But if they pass it and the high court dismisses all 8 cases - a mischievous Uhuru could declare BBI doesn't offend any protected section and declared the constitution. Therefore it's in Raila interest to make it pass in parliament and be rejected in senate...like I suspect it will.
As for Ruto and those opposed to BBI - our best bet remain to fight BBI in court - so I expect more and more cases - and more and more injunctions. We just need to buy time until Uhuru retires - then BBI will join the rest of papers in Dandora dumpsite.
We are still in 2021.
Now we get into 2022. BBI would either be dead or limping on -most definitely in courts as appeals are more than guranteed - or already the law.
We get to 2022 - and we have 8 months - parliament is dissolved in Feb - January Nairobi is empty of politicians - and everyone is out there with hired or borrowed 4WD meeting the ground.This is where the rubber meet the road.
Will Uhuru who has the last 4 years been unable to campaign in GEMA - certainly get some mojo back - to take the hated Raila around GEMA. My punditry say NO. Uhuru will continue hiding. Matiangi will also continue being CS of Security - but somehow hopping he can become PORK.
Ruto - my man - who is the man to beat - who you need 10 candidates in a BBI constellation - will make a deal with GEMA faction - the gema ground - will decide - to split into Kieleweke or UDA. So far all evidence suggests Ruto despite zero power is very popular. Uhuru is hated. And Raila is abhorred - anathema.
Now Ruto will find it difficult to nick 50% with a divided GEMA - an hostile executive - but I believe unlike Uhuru who had to deal with Anti-GEMA sentiments - Ruto will score big in Non-GEMA. Ruto will occupy Uhuru's GEMA position and Raila's Non-GEMA - and that make the man very hard to beat.
As for OKOA kenya - that nonsense - will unravel when they have to pick candidates :) They just managed to lie to their people that they are united - but who will BELL THE CAT. They go back to Raila or wait for Uhuru to unleash Gideon Moi?
Raila is what doctored ordered for Ruto - because GEMA WILL REVOLT completely - and Uhuru will not manage 5% of GEMA- and Ruto will win in 1st round.
The dangerous proposition is where Uhuru and Raila realize Ruto is very strong - and go tribal - by splintering the vote - to deny Ruto 50% - OKOA last by-election style - and hope to merge in 2nd round. But I doubt they will realize just how strong Ruto is - so they will not go for 2nd Round Strategy.
For Ruto to win in 2022 in 1st Round.
1) Get the majority of GEMA - by making a deal
2) Work on getting the majority of Non-GEMA without an horse - there is at least 30% out there - outside the Big 5 tribes. This MOI constituency that can be powerful as GEMA if well-taken care of .
3) Make a deal with one of BIg 5 - Certainly I would take somehow hopeless like Wetangula and aim for Bukusu - for exchange of PM or something like that - or even COAST supremo - if one was to emerge - seem completely splintered into 3 camps.
BBI is better than any MOU. Why would a Joho or Kingi or Mutua back Ruto - while BBI allow him to be MP and possibly CS under Raila?
About 100B gdp... Prof Ndung'u ponzi scheme cannot change that. Hustler or wheelbarrow is just a slogan not a genuine transformation. Why is UDA back to the drawing board - with new professor after hiring all Ndii's and Owallos - is because class was beaten hands-down by tribe on March 4th & 18th. It an attempt to breathe air into a carcass - akin to Jesus miracle with Lazarus of Bethany, son of Nain and Jairus' daughter. Resurrecting hustler mzoga is more herculean than passing BBI.
Non-GEMA
Hustler nonsense is dead. One-Kenya killed it. With BBI lineup Raila has non-Gema bulk. Ruto has bulk of pastoralists. In NEP his crew impeached Wajir governor last week for preaching BBI.
GEMA
Boils down to Uhuru. With hustler dead, watermelon won't cut it as BBI is Gema windfall. Being "neutral" in BBI election remind me of UK Brexit-election and the fate of "neutral" Labor Party. Worst performance in 85 years. Ruto will quit politics in shame ala Jeremy Corbyn - after the dog-beating.
UDA is busy with registration and party structures - and coming up with manifesto- their own BBI.
Now let tell you BBI will NOT INCREASE POWER in Kenya. THE POWER which you can call - kenya budget of 30B dollars annual - will increase with our economy.
Ruto is now DP - but he has no power.
In Jubilee 1.0 he was DP - and had power due to 50-50 deal - he a mere VP but was appointing ministers, and name it. That power did NOT COME FROM DEPUTY PRESIDENT office. It came from Uhuru and political reality of Uhuru needing to be re-elected.
BBI is nonsense on steroid for small kids.
What if I make you a PM - and proceed to ignore you like Ruto? You cannot fire or hire minister. You'll be calling meeting like Matiangi and ministers will send junior level PS :) :). After a few months - you'll get busy - somehow :)
Or the president can go ahead and issues EXECUTIVE ORDER OF 2023 - that declares RV Pundit the coordinator of gov ;) :) What will you do as prime minister ?
Heck Raila in NARA - versus Muthaura. Which PNU minister would attend Raila meeting - NONE. Muthaura everyone knew was real gov supervisor and coordinator.
What is important for Ruto is to get GEMA to commit new partneship agreement based on 50-50 like Jubilee 1.0 and to treat Uhuru aberration as 'urogi'.
Once Ruto has renewed the partneship with GEMA - and has not dropped the ball - despite massive propaganda - it GAME (GEMA) SHOT! The NON_GEMA provide rigging proof margins...
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Joho or Mutua stake in BBI is to be first MP then hopefully CS... while Ruto offers them retirement. At least you acknowledge Uhuru is with Raila and merely argue about his ability to rally Gema. You underestimate Uhuru big and overrate Ruto. We will see soon.
You;re on funny cartoon - who has decided that BBI will be part of 2022 election :) - and has gone ahead to draft Raila led coalition with about 10 people - squeezed in about 5 positions :) PORK, DPORK, PM and two DPM. Where will Joho fit in there? When even Wetangula has no number?
Tell you what - let us deal with reality as we know. BBI fate now lies with the judiciary. The 5 bench high court to be precise will decide how we move from here. I suggest you wait until that is dispense with. As for parliament and senate - their role is ceremonial - so it really too much ado about nothing.
But if they pass it and the high court dismisses all 8 cases - a mischievous Uhuru could declare BBI doesn't offend any protected section and declared the constitution. Therefore it's in Raila interest to make it pass in parliament and be rejected in senate...like I suspect it will.
As for Ruto and those opposed to BBI - our best bet remain to fight BBI in court - so I expect more and more cases - and more and more injunctions. We just need to buy time until Uhuru retires - then BBI will join the rest of papers in Dandora dumpsite.
We are still in 2021.
Now we get into 2022. BBI would either be dead or limping on -most definitely in courts as appeals are more than guranteed - or already the law.
We get to 2022 - and we have 8 months - parliament is dissolved in Feb - January Nairobi is empty of politicians - and everyone is out there with hired or borrowed 4WD meeting the ground.This is where the rubber meet the road.
Will Uhuru who has the last 4 years been unable to campaign in GEMA - certainly get some mojo back - to take the hated Raila around GEMA. My punditry say NO. Uhuru will continue hiding. Matiangi will also continue being CS of Security - but somehow hopping he can become PORK.
Ruto - my man - who is the man to beat - who you need 10 candidates in a BBI constellation - will make a deal with GEMA faction - the gema ground - will decide - to split into Kieleweke or UDA. So far all evidence suggests Ruto despite zero power is very popular. Uhuru is hated. And Raila is abhorred - anathema.
Now Ruto will find it difficult to nick 50% with a divided GEMA - an hostile executive - but I believe unlike Uhuru who had to deal with Anti-GEMA sentiments - Ruto will score big in Non-GEMA. Ruto will occupy Uhuru's GEMA position and Raila's Non-GEMA - and that make the man very hard to beat.
As for OKOA kenya - that nonsense - will unravel when they have to pick candidates :) They just managed to lie to their people that they are united - but who will BELL THE CAT. They go back to Raila or wait for Uhuru to unleash Gideon Moi?
Raila is what doctored ordered for Ruto - because GEMA WILL REVOLT completely - and Uhuru will not manage 5% of GEMA- and Ruto will win in 1st round.
The dangerous proposition is where Uhuru and Raila realize Ruto is very strong - and go tribal - by splintering the vote - to deny Ruto 50% - OKOA last by-election style - and hope to merge in 2nd round. But I doubt they will realize just how strong Ruto is - so they will not go for 2nd Round Strategy.
For Ruto to win in 2022 in 1st Round.
1) Get the majority of GEMA - by making a deal
2) Work on getting the majority of Non-GEMA without an horse - there is at least 30% out there - outside the Big 5 tribes. This MOI constituency that can be powerful as GEMA if well-taken care of .
3) Make a deal with one of BIg 5 - Certainly I would take somehow hopeless like Wetangula and aim for Bukusu - for exchange of PM or something like that - or even COAST supremo - if one was to emerge - seem completely splintered into 3 camps.
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Why would Uhuru go down with Raila :). You clearly don't understand politricks. You think Uhuru really HATES RUTO :) so much! He will go to any length. Maajabu.
Uhuru will do what in best interest of Uhuru. NOT RAILA.
As far as I know Raila was long dumped by even Kieleweke - left to Maina Kamanda.
If Raila CANNOT sell in GEMA. If even attempting to say Raila will drain your vote - who will do that. Maybe Uhuru who is going for retirement. But who will listen to Uhuru...say I am MCA or Mp....and I say Raila...and I get stonned...will I insist or run :). READ THE BLOODY SIGN ON THE WALL - YOU CANNOT BE SOLD IN GEMA - NOBODY WANTS YOU. NO magic can be done.
Uhuru gameplan I don't quite understand - that I will be very honest. What I understand is that he is USING RAILA -misuing.
Eti Uhuru is interested in being KYM or PM :( :) MAAJABU. Why would Uhuru demean himself like that?????????????// Or Uhuru wants PK :) :) in there; That is even more laughable.
Joho or Mutua stake in BBI is to be first MP then hopefully CS... while Ruto offers them retirement. At least you acknowledge Uhuru is with Raila and merely argue about his ability to rally Gema. You underestimate Uhuru big and overrate Ruto. We will see soon.
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RV please stop it, Robina is a theorist. No amount schooling will make her see the light.
She still believes Uhuru will hand over Mt Kenya to PK. Where as its clear that Uhuru lost Mt Kenya by associating with Raila.
For her Kamba and Western by elections is an indication of how Mt Kenya will vote. She has never come to her senses that since 2007 Mt Kenya have been voting against Raila and not Kibaki or Uhuru.
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I cannot stop my civic duty to my fellow citizen and humanity - as much as I find it tiring.
RV please stop it, Robina is a theorist. No amount schooling will make her see the light.
She still believes Uhuru will hand over Mt Kenya to PK. Where as its clear that Uhuru lost Mt Kenya by associating with Raila.
For her Kamba and Western by elections is an indication of how Mt Kenya will vote. She has never come to her senses that since 2007 Mt Kenya have been voting against Raila and not Kibaki or Uhuru.
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Well Pundit & Noway - we just saw Ruto imaginary support fizzle to mere 83 MPs... every time tyre meets thwe road you hear some flimsy excuses. Like Juja and Kiambaa - such a grand chance to upstage Uhuru-Jubilee but nope - the wildly popular cowards.
Anyway when your fake Jesus manages to resurrect the UDA mzoga let us know.
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I have never really heard Ruto clearly oppose BBI. then again what will he lose? GEMA is repeating old mistakes: decorate the office of the President with massive powers hoping one of them will take it then boom! Moi takes it and those powers come in handy in dismantling GEMA quite literally!
I think Ruto sees it that way. His focus is to win the presidency period.
The saddest part of this is the realization that yet again a Luo is helping to rebuild an imperial presidency! Even sadder: the son of Kenyatta's premier victim is helping the son of Kenyatta to sharpen the weapons used by the old despot against opponents and democracy! Very sad! Jaramogi would ask to die again were he to arise and find out what Raila has been to
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Whoever started this thread and gave it this title, it has come to pass as predicted! :bravo_2:
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Robina
Give me a charity to donate on your behalf. Your punditry is way above this kalenjin nationalist from kericho.
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@Plato, Talking of punditry, how about Pundit's Punditry? ... :73:
Of course they will pass it. They require simple majority.
It wasn't simple majority, it was more than 2/3
But judiciary has it's own interest at stake here - so don't expect them to allow BBI.
Hmmmm.. Good luck with that one ...
BBI is dead as dodo. :85:
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Pundit & Tangatanga - after losing almost everywhere - by-elections, county assemblies, parliament - now have only the Gema straw where Ruto is so wildly popular he sits out by-elections. :) After mopping all "advisors" from Ndii, Owallo, Muluka and name it - the wheelbarrow poofed. Now they have a new Prof Ndung'u to craft a brand new ponzi scheme.
(https://nation.africa/resource/image/3392056/portrait_ratio1x1/1280/1280/9683580e112f386f9cd00c4eb50f32d5/NT/money-pic.jpg)
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There is only one winner - Uhuru - sending you on a wild goose chase. I am not sure what exactly you've won here. The NASA brigade desperado are hoping to win - but they are still in opposition - and they are supporting Uhuru like the idiots they are - without any say in gov.
Uhuru is the only winner - he's ruling like a king with only few friendly noise coming from Jubilee ...looting and doing whatever he wants with utmost impunity.
Come next year - you'll know who has won and lost - as Uhuru retires and you're left to battle Ruto.
Uhuru's golden handshake and retirement package is ready
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/treasury-reveals-millions-for-uhuru-s-pension-ahead-of-retirement-3390746
Pundit & Tangatanga - after losing almost everywhere - by-elections, county assemblies, parliament - now have only the Gema straw where Ruto is so wildly popular he sits out by-elections. :) After mopping all "advisors" from Ndii, Owallo, Muluka and name it - the wheelbarrow poofed. Now they have a new Prof Ndung'u to craft a brand new ponzi scheme.
(https://nation.africa/resource/image/3392056/portrait_ratio1x1/1280/1280/9683580e112f386f9cd00c4eb50f32d5/NT/money-pic.jpg)
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I suppose Uhuru voted himself into office in 3 elections...
2032: [XXXX] is the only winner - he's ruling like a king with only few friendly noise coming from UDA ...looting and doing whatever he wants with utmost impunity.
Oh shadup... you had the chance to make things right in 2022.
There is only one winner - Uhuru - sending you on a wild goose chase. I am not sure what exactly you've won here. The NASA brigade desperado are hoping to win - but they are still in opposition - and they are supporting Uhuru like the idiots they are - without any say in gov.
Uhuru is the only winner - he's ruling like a king with only few friendly noise coming from Jubilee ...looting and doing whatever he wants with utmost impunity.
Come next year - you'll know who has won and lost - as Uhuru retires and you're left to battle Ruto.
Uhuru's golden handshake and retirement package is ready
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/treasury-reveals-millions-for-uhuru-s-pension-ahead-of-retirement-3390746
Pundit & Tangatanga - after losing almost everywhere - by-elections, county assemblies, parliament - now have only the Gema straw where Ruto is so wildly popular he sits out by-elections. :) After mopping all "advisors" from Ndii, Owallo, Muluka and name it - the wheelbarrow poofed. Now they have a new Prof Ndung'u to craft a brand new ponzi scheme.
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Kalenjin like Pundit have real sour grapes about Uhuru betrayal. After supporting him since 2000 - 20 years - now he supports Raila, Mdvd and Gideon. They saw no problem with tribalism and lack of inclusion but now want Raila to oppose BBI for few a Gema goodies - 1M1V1S. Ruto has to massage angry Murkomen's burning ego at night while playing neutral during the day. They must be really angry about new Gema CJ. Before this they demanded Raila go for nusu mkate GNU - but he refused. Even Kalonzo was ready to be Treasury CS. So they could hang Jubilee corruption and failures on Raila.
How will Tangatanga demonize Raila when he has allowed Uhuru to favor, spoonfeed and fatten his Gema brats for 3 years?
I suppose Uhuru voted himself into office in 3 elections...
2032: [XXXX] is the only winner - he's ruling like a king with only few friendly noise coming from UDA ...looting and doing whatever he wants with utmost impunity.
Oh shadup... you had the chance to make things right in 2022.
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https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/65047-raila-meets-orengo-ahead-bbi-senate-vote
Kang'ata will vote BBI yes and change color like a chameleon. Despite speaking from both sides of the mouth - he will ignore his "research" that showed BBI is very popular in Murang'a - and vote for the unpopular doc. Kang'ata tail-chasing on BBI is the perfect analogy of the situation in Tangatanga.
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Jubilee 1.0 I believe was very fair to all communities - save maybe for Luo Nyanza. I saw roads, rails, electricity everywhere.
Kalenjin like Pundit have real sour grapes about Uhuru betrayal. After supporting him since 2000 - 20 years - now he supports Raila, Mdvd and Gideon. They saw no problem with tribalism and lack of inclusion but now want Raila to oppose BBI for few a Gema goodies - 1M1V1S. Ruto has to massage angry Murkomen's burning ego at night while playing neutral during the day. They must be really angry about new Gema CJ. Before this they demanded Raila go for nusu mkate GNU - but he refused. Even Kalonzo was ready to be Treasury CS. So they could hang Jubilee corruption and failures on Raila.
How will Tangatanga demonize Raila when he has allowed Uhuru to favor, spoonfeed and fatten his Gema brats for 3 years?
I suppose Uhuru voted himself into office in 3 elections...
2032: [XXXX] is the only winner - he's ruling like a king with only few friendly noise coming from UDA ...looting and doing whatever he wants with utmost impunity.
Oh shadup... you had the chance to make things right in 2022.
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Change that "all communities" to "two communities". The most absurd proclamation and the enduring face of infamy of Jubilee 1.0 was one WSR reminding all and sundry that they were running a 50,-50 government. This having been actualized shamelessly by WSR reserving his share of 50 - 50 in Cabinet exclusively to Kales. And later having realizing his folly being even more dumb in hiring one Echesa - a man who in his whole life, possesses only one certificate - a birth certificate.
Jubilee 1.0 I believe was very fair to all communities - save maybe for Luo Nyanza. I saw roads, rails, electricity everywhere.
Kalenjin like Pundit have real sour grapes about Uhuru betrayal. After supporting him since 2000 - 20 years - now he supports Raila, Mdvd and Gideon. They saw no problem with tribalism and lack of inclusion but now want Raila to oppose BBI for few a Gema goodies - 1M1V1S. Ruto has to massage angry Murkomen's burning ego at night while playing neutral during the day. They must be really angry about new Gema CJ. Before this they demanded Raila go for nusu mkate GNU - but he refused. Even Kalonzo was ready to be Treasury CS. So they could hang Jubilee corruption and failures on Raila.
How will Tangatanga demonize Raila when he has allowed Uhuru to favor, spoonfeed and fatten his Gema brats for 3 years?
I suppose Uhuru voted himself into office in 3 elections...
2032: [XXXX] is the only winner - he's ruling like a king with only few friendly noise coming from UDA ...looting and doing whatever he wants with utmost impunity.
Oh shadup... you had the chance to make things right in 2022.
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You have tried every bravado argument my brada. This Ruto ship is taking a lot of water. Kenyan politicians are worse than prostitutes when it comes to monogamy. They will take your money today, sing your praises, then walk over to your opponent and do the same thing before the cock crows three times.
Jubilee 1.0 I believe was very fair to all communities - save maybe for Luo Nyanza. I saw roads, rails, electricity everywhere.
Kalenjin like Pundit have real sour grapes about Uhuru betrayal. After supporting him since 2000 - 20 years - now he supports Raila, Mdvd and Gideon. They saw no problem with tribalism and lack of inclusion but now want Raila to oppose BBI for few a Gema goodies - 1M1V1S. Ruto has to massage angry Murkomen's burning ego at night while playing neutral during the day. They must be really angry about new Gema CJ. Before this they demanded Raila go for nusu mkate GNU - but he refused. Even Kalonzo was ready to be Treasury CS. So they could hang Jubilee corruption and failures on Raila.
How will Tangatanga demonize Raila when he has allowed Uhuru to favor, spoonfeed and fatten his Gema brats for 3 years?
I suppose Uhuru voted himself into office in 3 elections...
2032: [XXXX] is the only winner - he's ruling like a king with only few friendly noise coming from UDA ...looting and doing whatever he wants with utmost impunity.
Oh shadup... you had the chance to make things right in 2022.
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:) Kichwa you are playing the guitar to a goat. After the tribeless hustler nation died in March, now the stinking carcass is being goldwrapped as "bottom-up model." They have hired a ex-CBK econ professor for that. You gotta give it to these guys when it comes to hat tricks.
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Pundit how is the BBI vote going in the senate? Did Ruto overwhelming numbers pan out?
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Wueh @Robina! After the brace you just posted, you more than I, deserve the tag "salty" that someone here gave me and I should relinquish it to you. Hats off to you....
:) Kichwa you are playing the guitar to a goat. After the tribeless hustler nation died in March, now the stinking carcass is being goldwrapped as "bottom-up model." They have hired a ex-CBK econ professor for that. You gotta give it to these guys when it comes to hat tricks.
Pundit how is the BBI vote going in the senate? Did Ruto overwhelming numbers pan out?
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I have never really heard Ruto clearly oppose BBI.
You need to open your eyes and watch more TV.
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2022 Elections will be revolutionary .....
That is the point I disagree with Pundit over. GEMA isn't voting for Raila, Ruto or MaDvD or anybody without pure Uthamaki blood.
I'm sorry but Ruto and Raila should prepare for a monumental disappointment if they are expecting votes from Uthamakistanis. Hakuna!
Pundit's new gospel is that Gema laity will remain with Ruto despite the Uhuru betrayal. You are right it goes against his cherished MOAS - and no doubt he has flexible, dodgy principles.
Of course you will stick to your narrative until its proven wrong then find away to change the goal post again.
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I have no idea why I'm being quoted out of context here. I stated clearly im against BBI. If BBI passes that's a 3rd term for Uhuru Kenyatta and an end to Raila's Stooge Government plans.
Yes the SCoK may allow it. Kihara would immediately wrap together sections of it that aren't for referendum and have Uhuru sign into law. The referendum may be rigged or not but an Uthamaki lawyer will present Uhuru nomination papers. Robina and others will be aghast. The matter will go to the supreme court. Orengo vs Moi will kick in. Uhuru would be on the ballot.
The euphoria in Uthamakistani would be blinding. With 9 million votes plus the now 3 million cyber votes (luos who visit polling stations and are told they already voted) Uhuru will be home and dry.
Now we tell you these things in advance because Kenya is full of foreign spies. Some invited by the state. We've known these fellows as we cleaned up after them. Bad people but you bond as you hide in cellars from shells. So they share.
I told someone in 2007 that Kibaki was making plans to rig elections and will not hand over power to Raila. He insulted me. I pleaded with him to move his family from Kisumu. He didn't. His son got a bullet in the back behind the heart. Died before he hit the ground. Grace Kaindi!
Now I read about Kikuyus being hunted and killed in Kisumu. The massacre Kibaki carried out only slowed when Kalenjins intervened via chemilil. Had Kalenjins not come to our aid Kibaki was determined to kill us all. By opening a new front they eased pressure on Luos
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BBI is dead. SCORK even if they really try cannot resuscitate something with 20 stabs wounds on all vitals. Fatuma tried in Court of Appeal but it was impossible task. How do you rescue something that didnt even get printed in Swahili.
Kuhara is just exposing his incompetence by appealing something that should long be buried.
I have no idea why I'm being quoted out of context here. I stated clearly im against BBI. If BBI passes that's a 3rd term for Uhuru Kenyatta and an end to Raila's Stooge Government plans.
Yes the SCoK may allow it. Kihara would immediately wrap together sections of it that aren't for referendum and have Uhuru sign into law. The referendum may be rigged or not but an Uthamaki lawyer will present Uhuru nomination papers. Robina and others will be aghast. The matter will go to the supreme court. Orengo vs Moi will kick in. Uhuru would be on the ballot.
The euphoria in Uthamakistani would be blinding. With 9 million votes plus the now 3 million cyber votes (luos who visit polling stations and are told they already voted) Uhuru will be home and dry.
Now we tell you these things in advance because Kenya is full of foreign spies. Some invited by the state. We've known these fellows as we cleaned up after them. Bad people but you bond as you hide in cellars from shells. So they share.
I told someone in 2007 that Kibaki was making plans to rig elections and will not hand over power to Raila. He insulted me. I pleaded with him to move his family from Kisumu. He didn't. His son got a bullet in the back behind the heart. Died before he hit the ground. Grace Kaindi!
Now I read about Kikuyus being hunted and killed in Kisumu. The massacre Kibaki carried out only slowed when Kalenjins intervened via chemilil. Had Kalenjins not come to our aid Kibaki was determined to kill us all. By opening a new front they eased pressure on Luos
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Question is simple , have you rethought about GEMA voting for Ruto in 2022 elections or you still think they will vote for their own blood ?
I have no idea why I'm being quoted out of context here. I stated clearly im against BBI. If BBI passes that's a 3rd term for Uhuru Kenyatta and an end to Raila's Stooge Government plans.
Yes the SCoK may allow it. Kihara would immediately wrap together sections of it that aren't for referendum and have Uhuru sign into law. The referendum may be rigged or not but an Uthamaki lawyer will present Uhuru nomination papers. Robina and others will be aghast. The matter will go to the supreme court. Orengo vs Moi will kick in. Uhuru would be on the ballot.
The euphoria in Uthamakistani would be blinding. With 9 million votes plus the now 3 million cyber votes (luos who visit polling stations and are told they already voted) Uhuru will be home and dry.
Now we tell you these things in advance because Kenya is full of foreign spies. Some invited by the state. We've known these fellows as we cleaned up after them. Bad people but you bond as you hide in cellars from shells. So they share.
I told someone in 2007 that Kibaki was making plans to rig elections and will not hand over power to Raila. He insulted me. I pleaded with him to move his family from Kisumu. He didn't. His son got a bullet in the back behind the heart. Died before he hit the ground. Grace Kaindi!
Now I read about Kikuyus being hunted and killed in Kisumu. The massacre Kibaki carried out only slowed when Kalenjins intervened via chemilil. Had Kalenjins not come to our aid Kibaki was determined to kill us all. By opening a new front they eased pressure on Luos
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Answer: What empirical evidence do you have that they will not vote for their own as they've done since independence?
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Is this the thread that retired combative Robina?
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Aug 2022 Isnt far away Mr Uthamakistan . One thing you do note is you have never been correct in any of your predictions .
The GEMA hater like you hoped GEMA would betray Ruto . It didnt happen if fact the opposite happed Raila betrayed GEMA haters like you now you are left confused dare even say you are subliminally supporting Ruto only that GEMA is in the same ship as Ruto so you are totally confused .
Well you are not the only one suffering many Anti GEMAs are , You supported Raila because he was the face of anti GEMA now he is courting GEMA . It stinks doesnt it ? Your are welcome to UDA and Hustler Nation . I now even tend to think that Ruto might even score 20% in Luo Nyanza .
Answer: What empirical evidence do you have that they will not vote for their own as they've done since independence?
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One of the many . Just like Raila she pegged all her hopes on BBI . We warned her if she was not careful she will self exile even before the real duel in Aug 2022 . Well it came to pass ....
Is this the thread that retired combative Robina?