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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2017, 07:14:15 PM »
Abrigan tiktetas should also know when not to steal elections or threaten supreme court judges.
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2017, 11:51:16 PM »
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2017, 12:25:48 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2017, 01:19:25 PM »
Poor Zimbabweans. Mnangagwa is from the exact same mould as Mugabe. Expect no change. :(

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2017, 04:55:45 PM »
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2017, 07:24:58 PM »

SADC wants previous civilized status quo.  Do they mean the Ian Smith years?  Has Zim ever had civilized rule?

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2017, 07:41:29 PM »
Now that his own people have finished him, there seems to be few of the usual claims about what a great guy he is, how we would have been even greater if "Western powers" (i.e. UK and USA) weren't working overtime on his case, etc.

Anyways .... he had a great run: power, wealth, top-quality ding-dong from a lady halve his age ... and plenty of it well past his die-by date.
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2017, 07:42:56 PM »
Quote from: Empedocles on November 16, 2017, 01:19:25 PM
Poor Zimbabweans. Mnangagwa is from the exact same mould as Mugabe. Expect no change. :(

According to what came out in WikiLeaks, he was "evaluated" as potentially far worse than Mugabe.   Not a very promising start to the 2nd Liberation.
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2017, 07:56:22 PM »
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on November 16, 2017, 07:24:58 PM

SADC wants previous civilized status quo.  Do they mean the Ian Smith years?  Has Zim ever had civilized rule?

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The SADC and AU stand is always for the "constitutional" and "democratic" government no matter how deplorable. They took a similar stand during the anti-Morsi action in Cairo. It's a script actually, no sound reason behind it. It fits in a situation like Guinea Bissau but for the DRC and now Zim they are stuck because the policy needs to be robust. It's not just the SADC and AU that face this policy quagmire.
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2017, 09:06:18 PM »

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2017, 09:44:33 PM »
For $1 million, Mugabe should insist on something stronger than that.   See http://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/Mugabe-donates--1-million-to-African-Union/1066-3998952-slj33rz/index.html


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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2017, 01:38:04 AM »
Quote from: Kadame9 on November 15, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
Say what you will about him but Moi was a very wise mzee. Fools like Mugabe and Museveni should have learnt from him.

I remember Kenya under Moi's rule.   "Wise" is not a word that immediately comes to mind.   I would however consider him "clever", in the same sense that I consider rodents "clever" when it comes to  survival.
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2017, 05:33:33 PM »
Quote from: MOON Ki on November 17, 2017, 01:38:04 AM
Quote from: Kadame9 on November 15, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
Say what you will about him but Moi was a very wise mzee. Fools like Mugabe and Museveni should have learnt from him.

I remember Kenya under Moi's rule.   "Wise" is not a word that immediately comes to mind.   I would however consider him "clever", in the same sense that I consider rodents "clever" when it comes to  survival.

Yep.  A slippery character.  Wisdom and deviousness are conflated in the jubilant mind.  I am surprised Kadame has expressed that view.  Wisdom seems more appropriate to characters like Lee Kuan Yew, Seretse Khama etc.
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2017, 05:36:25 PM »
If Chiwenga is not firm with this quasi-coup of his, he may find that he is the one fleeing into exile.  He should not pussyfoot around with the dictator.  That said, Mnangagwa or Grace Mugabe, it looks like a choice between a shit stain or puke.
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2017, 07:11:06 PM »
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on November 17, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: MOON Ki on November 17, 2017, 01:38:04 AM
Quote from: Kadame9 on November 15, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
Say what you will about him but Moi was a very wise mzee. Fools like Mugabe and Museveni should have learnt from him.

I remember Kenya under Moi's rule.   "Wise" is not a word that immediately comes to mind.   I would however consider him "clever", in the same sense that I consider rodents "clever" when it comes to  survival.

Yep.  A slippery character.  Wisdom and deviousness are conflated in the jubilant mind.  I am surprised Kadame has expressed that view.  Wisdom seems more appropriate to characters like Lee Kuan Yew, Seretse Khama etc.
I guess we dont define wisdom the same way or maybe I chose the wrong word. I don't know what to use there. I just mean the man wasn't so drowned in power that he became totally out of touch with reality. He was able to see situations for what they were and to negotiate a much better outcome for the country and himself than have many of his fellow dictators. Folks like Mugabe, Mseven, Ghaddafi, Mobutu seem to lose that bit of their brain to power. Cant separate their wishes from facts as they are on the ground. And it invariably leads to much worse scenarios for themselves and their countries.

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2017, 07:11:48 PM »
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on November 17, 2017, 05:36:25 PM
If Chiwenga is not firm with this quasi-coup of his, he may find that he is the one fleeing into exile.  He should not pussyfoot around with the dictator.  That said, Mnangagwa or Grace Mugabe, it looks like a choice between a shit stain or puke.
They should have exiled him yesterday.

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2017, 08:04:51 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2017, 12:25:33 AM »
Ninja pulls another stunt, ignores resignation calls
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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2017, 12:34:50 AM »
These generals ars morons. How did that speech even get read..they should have given the old man four sentences to read

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Re: Is that a coup brewing in Zim?
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2017, 03:21:47 AM »
Quote from: Globalcitizen12 on November 20, 2017, 12:34:50 AM
These generals ars morons. How did that speech even get read..they should have given the old man four sentences to read

At this point they know he is a spent force.  All his allies have deserted him or under military custody.  They can afford to look like the better guys.
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