That's what is happening pic.twitter.com/PUl4SpFVtS
— THE ATTORNEY GENERAL (@kimrikki) November 6, 2017
The Shona are too timid. Those guys have 0% Njaruo blood. :D :D :D
Another video of military tanks on the move in Zimbabwe. In this one, someone says “the army are backing Mnangagwa” in Shona at the end of the video. pic.twitter.com/kpeY6TOdey
— Doug Coltart ✊🏼🇿🇼 (@DougColtart) November 14, 2017
For what its worth, no foreign embassies in Zimbabwe have as yet issued any advisories noting unusual troop movements in Harare. Their actions amid uncertain political developments is often best gauge of situation available
— Ryan Cummings (@Pol_Sec_Analyst) November 14, 2017
Tanks seen heading toward Zimbabwe capital: witnesses https://t.co/SVuyEgND8v
— Reuters (@Reuters) November 14, 2017
Hate kaburu however much you want, but Zim was once a very beautiful country. 37 years of freedom for the brother has left it an utter shell of itself. Robina has a theory about it that I disagree with.
If you were in his special brigade would you stay with him or trade with the general
Mugabe has ruined Zimbabwe. Problem is his own people will not own up that the guy has failed in his mission. How dare he want to install a former government typist to lead the country in this century? Surely the man is now senile. Senile men are like babies and tend to only listen to much younger women who treat them like their babies.Hate kaburu however much you want, but Zim was once a very beautiful country. 37 years of freedom for the brother has left it an utter shell of itself. Robina has a theory about it that I disagree with.
Senile Mugabe, what a disgrace. Zimbabweans have waited for the gods to take away the man but the army had to help.This could give Africans many ideas. No need to steal elections, repeat and torture lawyers in court.
The 'criminal' guys around power just like the way Koinanges during Kenyatta senility and endless comas, couldn't read the signs of the time.
The army PR and organization is top notch. The army could be in power for very long, given the hollow state left by the Grace peddlers. Add the whites economic hawks - it is only good that London is also in a mess.
Senile Mugabe, what a disgrace. Zimbabweans have waited for the gods to take away the man but the army had to help.This could give Africans many ideas. No need to steal elections, repeat and torture lawyers in court.
The 'criminal' guys around power just like the way Koinanges during Kenyatta senility and endless comas, couldn't read the signs of the time.
The army PR and organization is top notch. The army could be in power for very long, given the hollow state left by the Grace peddlers. Add the whites economic hawks - it is only good that London is also in a mess.
Coup is like raila win it evaporatedNjamba, your babujee has been deposed. He has been detained and senior officials arrested.
I hope we don't end up with another Somalia. God help Zim.But Zims were suffering almost as much as Somalis anyway. So many of them are eking out a living in hard circumstances in neighboring countries, just like refugees. A very well educated lady I know was working as a maid in SA to fend for her people back home. I hope they go up from here, they were already very close to rock-bottom anyway.
Say what you will about him but Moi was a very wise mzee. Fools like Mugabe and Museveni should have learnt from him.
The problem with a dictatorship there is no way out without losing it all..Mugabe should have handed over power 10 years ago to minion and retired. Museveni, Bashir, kagame and biya should be prepared to lose it all ..museveni can give it that ugly guy or some other nra person
Exactly. Moi knew when to let go.
Moi did not let go freely. He was pressed to go by George BusH Snr. If it were not for the US we would be still be singing those kufuata nyayo songs today. :DI'm sure many African dictators have been pressed to go by American Presidents including our uncle Bob in Zim. They don't listen. Moi made the choice to go and when his minion was defeated he did not use state power to hold on but conceded power.Exactly. Moi knew when to let go.
Vooke you were on the dot.....
The @_AfricanUnion supports "the legitimate government" of #Zimbabwe, President Alpha Conde exclusively told DW pic.twitter.com/2ZfIQkvwr8
— DW News (@dwnews) November 16, 2017
Poor Zimbabweans. Mnangagwa is from the exact same mould as Mugabe. Expect no change. :(
SADC wants previous civilized status quo. Do they mean the Ian Smith years? Has Zim ever had civilized rule?
Invalid Tweet ID
The @_AfricanUnion supports "the legitimate government" of #Zimbabwe, President Alpha Conde exclusively told DW pic.twitter.com/2ZfIQkvwr8
— DW News (@dwnews) November 16, 2017
Say what you will about him but Moi was a very wise mzee. Fools like Mugabe and Museveni should have learnt from him.
Say what you will about him but Moi was a very wise mzee. Fools like Mugabe and Museveni should have learnt from him.
I remember Kenya under Moi's rule. "Wise" is not a word that immediately comes to mind. I would however consider him "clever", in the same sense that I consider rodents "clever" when it comes to survival.
I guess we dont define wisdom the same way or maybe I chose the wrong word. I don't know what to use there. I just mean the man wasn't so drowned in power that he became totally out of touch with reality. He was able to see situations for what they were and to negotiate a much better outcome for the country and himself than have many of his fellow dictators. Folks like Mugabe, Mseven, Ghaddafi, Mobutu seem to lose that bit of their brain to power. Cant separate their wishes from facts as they are on the ground. And it invariably leads to much worse scenarios for themselves and their countries.Say what you will about him but Moi was a very wise mzee. Fools like Mugabe and Museveni should have learnt from him.
I remember Kenya under Moi's rule. "Wise" is not a word that immediately comes to mind. I would however consider him "clever", in the same sense that I consider rodents "clever" when it comes to survival.
Yep. A slippery character. Wisdom and deviousness are conflated in the jubilant mind. I am surprised Kadame has expressed that view. Wisdom seems more appropriate to characters like Lee Kuan Yew, Seretse Khama etc.
If Chiwenga is not firm with this quasi-coup of his, he may find that he is the one fleeing into exile. He should not pussyfoot around with the dictator. That said, Mnangagwa or Grace Mugabe, it looks like a choice between a shit stain or puke.They should have exiled him yesterday.
Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe arrives to preside over a student graduation ceremony at Zimbabwe Open University pic.twitter.com/OWIMvYBDVl
— Elliot Wagland (@elliotwagland) November 17, 2017
These generals ars morons. How did that speech even get read..they should have given the old man four sentences to read
Seems Mugabe had prepared for this over the years. The generals seem to revere him to godly status, otherwise he would have had a 'heart attack'.
With the Shona being the majority, I see no major fallout in the country no matter how things goes.
Identities such as race, tribe, religion, gender have really messed up individuals and societies.
Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
It's over. Time to rebuild Zim.Good luck to the Zimbabweans. Seriously.QuoteZimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
My thoughts exactly. We've been here before. Hopefully, things go much better for the Zims. Removing a dictator is not the whole solution I'm afraid, though it provides a golden opportunity.It's over. Time to rebuild Zim.Good luck to the Zimbabweans. Seriously.QuoteZimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
If they don't change the system, it's not gonna be a very bright future for them.
Remember this?
We went through the same thing.
My thoughts exactly. We've been here before. Hopefully, things go much better for the Zims. Removing a dictator is not the whole solution I'm afraid, though it provides a golden opportunity.It's over. Time to rebuild Zim.Good luck to the Zimbabweans. Seriously.QuoteZimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
If they don't change the system, it's not gonna be a very bright future for them.
Remember this?
We went through the same thing.
My thoughts exactly. We've been here before. Hopefully, things go much better for the Zims. Removing a dictator is not the whole solution I'm afraid, though it provides a golden opportunity.It's over. Time to rebuild Zim.Good luck to the Zimbabweans. Seriously.QuoteZimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
If they don't change the system, it's not gonna be a very bright future for them.
Remember this?
We went through the same thing.
Mugabe relied on patriotism and racism.My thoughts exactly. We've been here before. Hopefully, things go much better for the Zims. Removing a dictator is not the whole solution I'm afraid, though it provides a golden opportunity.It's over. Time to rebuild Zim.Good luck to the Zimbabweans. Seriously.QuoteZimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
If they don't change the system, it's not gonna be a very bright future for them.
Remember this?
We went through the same thing.
The tribal dynamic in Kenya makes me wary of comparing it to other African countries. They may also have tribal issues, but in Kenya, tribalism is a tried and tested fallback for inept and crooked leaders. I don't get the sense that Mugabe was able to fall back on the ethnic cushion; it's safe to assume his successor wont have it either.
Mugabe relied on patriotism and racism.My thoughts exactly. We've been here before. Hopefully, things go much better for the Zims. Removing a dictator is not the whole solution I'm afraid, though it provides a golden opportunity.It's over. Time to rebuild Zim.Good luck to the Zimbabweans. Seriously.QuoteZimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
If they don't change the system, it's not gonna be a very bright future for them.
Remember this?
We went through the same thing.
The tribal dynamic in Kenya makes me wary of comparing it to other African countries. They may also have tribal issues, but in Kenya, tribalism is a tried and tested fallback for inept and crooked leaders. I don't get the sense that Mugabe was able to fall back on the ethnic cushion; it's safe to assume his successor wont have it either.
Same thing.
You're right.Mugabe relied on patriotism and racism.My thoughts exactly. We've been here before. Hopefully, things go much better for the Zims. Removing a dictator is not the whole solution I'm afraid, though it provides a golden opportunity.It's over. Time to rebuild Zim.Good luck to the Zimbabweans. Seriously.QuoteZimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37 years as leader of the southern African nation, finally succumbing to the pressure of a military takeover and the humiliation of impeachment.http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html)
If they don't change the system, it's not gonna be a very bright future for them.
Remember this?
We went through the same thing.
The tribal dynamic in Kenya makes me wary of comparing it to other African countries. They may also have tribal issues, but in Kenya, tribalism is a tried and tested fallback for inept and crooked leaders. I don't get the sense that Mugabe was able to fall back on the ethnic cushion; it's safe to assume his successor wont have it either.
Same thing.
But it's different. If some soldier took power in Kenya today, he can only count on some parts of the country rallying behind him. More specifically he will have his hands full with GEMA(and to a lesser extent Kalenjin) reactionaries in the relevant institutions and security services. You are more likely to see ethnic clashes than eurphoria in the streets. The ethnic factor may not be absent in Zimbabwe, but its role is not decisive.
I think whats being lost in the coup excitement is the opposition role.
They have been against Mugabe and his cronies including the new head for years/decades. How would Babu react to Ruto overthrowing Uhuru?
A test for democracy will be how Mnangagwa treats and responds to opposition now that he cant hide behind Comrade Bob
Tsvangirai is rightly cautiously optimistic
Mnangagwa may just win the elections, fair and square(sometimes this happens), on the basis of euphoria and making the right noises. His true colors(there will always be folks choosing to NOT see established facts) should emerge sometime after the elections. Either way, it seems the only way for Zim is up, in economic terms.
Mnangagwa may just win the elections, fair and square(sometimes this happens), on the basis of euphoria and making the right noises. His true colors(there will always be folks choosing to NOT see established facts) should emerge sometime after the elections. Either way, it seems the only way for Zim is up, in economic terms.
He could be a surprise, but his history does not offer much promise. It's like replacing a mad dog with a wild one and expecting a better pet or better security.
Mnangagwa may just win the elections, fair and square(sometimes this happens), on the basis of euphoria and making the right noises. His true colors(there will always be folks choosing to NOT see established facts) should emerge sometime after the elections. Either way, it seems the only way for Zim is up, in economic terms.