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Title: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 04, 2017, 08:27:38 PM
History does not travel in a straight line. I won’t argue against that sentence being a cliché. Yet it is still true. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be still debating October electoral fraud. chiloba, Chirchir, Chebukati, Connie among many election thieves.  Per Baghdad bob, Luo uprising was supposed to be crushed within days but here we are in November debating Resistance movement, economic boycott and succession wind blowing from coast region.

The Resistance movement has a lot of steam; masses of people in motion working toward a goal, fairness and justice for all. Resistance movement  face enormous challenges, assuming it could withstand the counter-assault of jubilee thieves determined to destroy it. The resistance movement will be a beacon of hope for millions around Africa. 

Change can come through the purchasing power as safaricon,  Bidco and Brookside is about to learn. Stampede on airtel stalls and rejected Bidco and Brookside products on store shelves is a clear indication boycott is working in democratic people republic.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kichwa on November 04, 2017, 09:22:47 PM
This is the most meaningful civic education Kenyans have ever been engaged in a long time.  Kenyans will learn that they are not at the mercy of politicians and that complaining about politicians and demonizing them without doing something does not work. Since the boycott started, I have seen People being  more proactive and creative than I have not in a long time.   Before the boycott, the only civic responsibility Kenyans were ever asked for is to register and vote every five years and nothing changed. Now Kenyans are being taught that democracy is a 360 days affair every year.  Wait until NASA unveils its new more organized 21st century ways of conducting protests such as sit ins, picketing, boycotts and peaceful demonstrations which even families with small children can participate. Once we have learned how to do these kinds of protests, we can use them at the county level, at places of business at the national level etc. to protest and resist abuse, discrimination and all kinds of injustices. While Ruto want to take us back to the only governance he knows best "Moi days", NASA is moving this country forward into the 21st century democracy.

History does not travel in a straight line. I won’t argue against that sentence being a cliché. Yet it is still true. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be still debating October electoral fraud. chiloba, Chirchir, Chebukati, Connie among many election thieves.  Per Baghdad bob, Luo uprising was supposed to be crushed within days but here we are in November debating Resistance movement, economic boycott and succession wind blowing from coast region.

The Resistance movement has a lot of steam; masses of people in motion working toward a goal, fairness and justice for all. Resistance movement  face enormous challenges, assuming it could withstand the counter-assault of jubilee thieves determined to destroy it. The resistance movement will be a beacon of hope for millions around Africa. 

Change can come through the purchasing power as safaricon,  Bidco and Brookside is about to learn. Stampede on airtel stalls and rejected Bidco and Brookside products on store shelves is a clear indication boycott is working in democratic people republic.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Ole on November 04, 2017, 09:40:06 PM
People are too invested in companies like sufferingcom to have the luxury to move over. I don't know anone not using their product one way or another. I also doubt nasa has spent enough timenyesha teaching people the alternative to services such mpesa. Also the leaders should lead by example. Move all their numbers to other carriers. It's a good way to send a message. It worked very well in the us against companies or ceos that supported the Donald. I boycotted under armour products even though our son likes their running gear. The boycott worked. Their ceo quit trump economic advisory team. It worked well mainly because we had alternatives.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 04, 2017, 10:23:21 PM
Ole, The US lobbies were opposed to Trump's immigration and climate policies. Did the policies change?
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 05, 2017, 03:39:30 AM
Precisely.  Off course the revolution will not be televised.
One pillar at a time and soon and very soon you will have electoral thieves on the run
 
This is the most meaningful civic education Kenyans have ever been engaged in a long time.  Kenyans will learn that they are not at the mercy of politicians and that complaining about politicians and demonizing them without doing something does not work. Since the boycott started, I have seen People being  more proactive and creative than I have not in a long time.   Before the boycott, the only civic responsibility Kenyans were ever asked for is to register and vote every five years and nothing changed. Now Kenyans are being taught that democracy is a 360 days affair every year.  Wait until NASA unveils its new more organized 21st century ways of conducting protests such as sit ins, picketing, boycotts and peaceful demonstrations which even families with small children can participate. Once we have learned how to do these kinds of protests, we can use them at the county level, at places of business at the national level etc. to protest and resist abuse, discrimination and all kinds of injustices. While Ruto want to take us back to the only governance he knows best "Moi days", NASA is moving this country forward into the 21st century democracy.

History does not travel in a straight line. I won’t argue against that sentence being a cliché. Yet it is still true. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be still debating October electoral fraud. chiloba, Chirchir, Chebukati, Connie among many election thieves.  Per Baghdad bob, Luo uprising was supposed to be crushed within days but here we are in November debating Resistance movement, economic boycott and succession wind blowing from coast region.

The Resistance movement has a lot of steam; masses of people in motion working toward a goal, fairness and justice for all. Resistance movement  face enormous challenges, assuming it could withstand the counter-assault of jubilee thieves determined to destroy it. The resistance movement will be a beacon of hope for millions around Africa. 

Change can come through the purchasing power as safaricon,  Bidco and Brookside is about to learn. Stampede on airtel stalls and rejected Bidco and Brookside products on store shelves is a clear indication boycott is working in democratic people republic.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 05, 2017, 03:47:48 AM
There is nothing like too big to fail. Now you can switch to airtel and retain your old number also you can use airtel money to send money across other networks.
So far 2 millions have crossed over. Time for airtel to invest more in their infrastructure and open more outlets. Tanzania and Ugandan companies should explore western kenya market.  It's within their reach.
Next week new list of business to target should come online. 
People are too invested in companies like sufferingcom to have the luxury to move over. I don't know anone not using their product one way or another. I also doubt nasa has spent enough timenyesha teaching people the alternative to services such mpesa. Also the leaders should lead by example. Move all their numbers to other carriers. It's a good way to send a message. It worked very well in the us against companies or ceos that supported the Donald. I boycotted under armour products even though our son likes their running gear. The boycott worked. Their ceo quit trump economic advisory team. It worked well mainly because we had alternatives.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kichwa on November 05, 2017, 04:21:16 AM

That has been the narrative of the naysayers ever since.  I remember when the demonstrations against IEBC started, they said it would achieve nothing.  I remember those who said boycotting the elections would achieve nothing, and now they are saying NRM will achieve nothing.  I can tell you that the trajectory of the politics is this country has changed forever.  It used to be Ouru tano then Ruto tano. Now even Ruto is not so sure what will happen to Kenya in six months leave alone 5 years from now. 

People are too invested in companies like sufferingcom to have the luxury to move over. I don't know anone not using their product one way or another. I also doubt nasa has spent enough timenyesha teaching people the alternative to services such mpesa. Also the leaders should lead by example. Move all their numbers to other carriers. It's a good way to send a message. It worked very well in the us against companies or ceos that supported the Donald. I boycotted under armour products even though our son likes their running gear. The boycott worked. Their ceo quit trump economic advisory team. It worked well mainly because we had alternatives.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 05, 2017, 09:26:00 AM
These boycotts will work like a charm.  The jubilidiot is on record for loving money and property over life.  This redistribution of wealth will soon bite.  I know some that acquired mpesa distributerships by virtue of corruption and partaking in tribalism.

Equity has been the same on their dealings with government disbursements etc with some organisations dictating policy like SGR termini and routes.  It's no accident that the next phase terminates at naivasha the home of Delamere products.  Dairy farmers have suffered too from shrinking margins while the processors have doubled and trebled theirs.  This will create room for the rise of local co-ops once again.

This is good... Very good.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 05, 2017, 08:07:11 PM
True true sit back and watch the Giants fall. Customer is king. Did you know airtel does not charge any fees to pay bills unlike sufferincon. Did you know calls between airtel lines is almost free?
Githunguri daily farmers need to crank up their output there is ready market for their products.

Banks I think Family bank and uhuru bank should be the first to go. Most corruption money is laundered and cycled through these banks. These are nothing but money laundering outfit.
Next round of business, Shell should make the list. This corporation brought Dr Charles Hornsby the architect of the electoral fraud. 


There is nothing like too big to fail. Now you can switch to airtel and retain your old number also you can use airtel money to send money across other networks.
So far 2 millions have crossed over. Time for airtel to invest more in their infrastructure and open more outlets. Tanzania and Ugandan companies should explore western kenya market.  It's within their reach.
Next week new list of business to target should come online. 
People are too invested in companies like sufferingcom to have the luxury to move over. I don't know anone not using their product one way or another. I also doubt nasa has spent enough timenyesha teaching people the alternative to services such mpesa. Also the leaders should lead by example. Move all their numbers to other carriers. It's a good way to send a message. It worked very well in the us against companies or ceos that supported the Donald. I boycotted under armour products even though our son likes their running gear. The boycott worked. Their ceo quit trump economic advisory team. It worked well mainly because we had alternatives.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 05, 2017, 10:20:39 PM
There is nothing like too big to fail. Now you can switch to airtel and retain your old number also you can use airtel money to send money across other networks.
So far 2 millions have crossed over. Time for airtel to invest more in their infrastructure and open more outlets. Tanzania and Ugandan companies should explore western kenya market.  It's within their reach.
Next week new list of business to target should come online. 
People are too invested in companies like sufferingcom to have the luxury to move over. I don't know anone not using their product one way or another. I also doubt nasa has spent enough timenyesha teaching people the alternative to services such mpesa. Also the leaders should lead by example. Move all their numbers to other carriers. It's a good way to send a message. It worked very well in the us against companies or ceos that supported the Donald. I boycotted under armour products even though our son likes their running gear. The boycott worked. Their ceo quit trump economic advisory team. It worked well mainly because we had alternatives.
Any link to the 2m who've crossed over?
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 05, 2017, 11:06:20 PM
The boycott will fail because not everyone's convinced of Jubilee's grave sins. Only the diehard base will heed the call. This will compound the investment trouble the Nyanza region is facing.

patel should pin this thread up there... we use it as a live countdown as the mighty business falls. Those green Safaricom shops in Kisumu, Machakos, Mombasa, etc should soon close down as there will be no customers to serve.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: yulemsee on November 05, 2017, 11:10:48 PM
Babu has given the masses something to keebp them busy so as not to relook at the drubbing he received at the ballot. Should the members of ODM relook at their strategies, do they find new leaders that will ensure a win next time, no, lets all focus our attention at this boycott and secession and receive yet another hiding in 2022
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kichwa on November 05, 2017, 11:29:20 PM
Boycott of business is a very new thing in Kenya and a lot of people do not understand how it works. It only takes a few people to do it for the business to feel the pinch. NAACP called for a  boycott of  American Airlines not too long ago and many African Americans are not even aware of the boycott and yet the CEO of AA has already called a meeting with the NAACP. Like Miguna Said, the days of accepting and Moving on are over.

The boycott will fail because not everyone's convinced of Jubilee's grave sins. Only the diehard base will heed the call. This will compound the investment trouble the Nyanza region is facing.

patel should pin this thread up there... we use it as a live countdown as the mighty business falls. Those green Safaricom shops in Kisumu, Machakos, Mombasa, etc should soon close down as there will be no customers to serve.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 06, 2017, 01:49:19 AM
How is this comparable to the US? NAACP vs airlines is not a nationally political issue. Show me a scenario where the US government has changed policy due to economic boycott of private business. Even the withdrawal of the CEOs from the presidential council changed nothing in Trump's policies. Only the courts managed that. There are probably more companies in support of Trump's withdrawal from the Paris Accord than there are opponents.

Specifically in Kenya. Of course this politics of sabotage is new. Business - like journalists - are not likely to take the NASA interference well. This will affect their financing. I have not heard anything from the bankers association on the Equity boycott but am sure they will not have kind words.

We will all watch and see here as it unfolds. Business losses cannot go hidden and we will soon see what becomes of them. Besides the negative effects on the Nyanza region, my bet is a resounding failure to impact politics.

Boycott of business is a very new thing in Kenya and a lot of people do not understand how it works. It only takes a few people to do it for the business to feel the pinch. NAACP called for a  boycott of  American Airlines not too long ago and many African Americans are not even aware of the boycott and yet the CEO of AA has already called a meeting with the NAACP. Like Miguna Said, the days of accepting and Moving on are over.

The boycott will fail because not everyone's convinced of Jubilee's grave sins. Only the diehard base will heed the call. This will compound the investment trouble the Nyanza region is facing.

patel should pin this thread up there... we use it as a live countdown as the mighty business falls. Those green Safaricom shops in Kisumu, Machakos, Mombasa, etc should soon close down as there will be no customers to serve.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kichwa on November 06, 2017, 03:06:24 AM

Are you seriously asking for a scenario where government policy has changed because of boycotts in the US. Lets start with the 60's, first, but not too long ago boycotts by athletes, conveners of conferences and tourists forced southern states to bring down the confederate flag, pass gay rights legislations and in some cases to recall anti civil rights legislations.  In Kenya we have many tools and boycotts is just one of them.  We are not going to get tired and move on as some of you think.  We will not accept and move on this time.

Timeline of the American Civil Rights Movement
The Civil Rights Movement in the United States began to gain prominence in the late 1940s. In 1948 President Truman signed the Executive Order 9981, which declared there would be equal treatment and opportunity for all persons regardless of race or color in the armed services. This was the first step in creating a nation filled with equality. Throughout the passing years, there were many events that were milestones in the Civil rights movement. Below are some of the most well known events that helped shaped history.
1954 – Brown vs. Board of Education
Summary of Brown Vs. the Board of Education - This event is one of the most significant trials in US history.
Segregation of White and Black Children - This supreme court case ended segregation in the classroom
Brown Vs. the Board of Education Historic Site - Learn about where the injustice behind this court case took place.
Archive of Brown Vs. the Board of Education - Take a walk through history with information on the court case, oral arguments both for an against Brown Vs. the Board of Education, and an image gallery that focuses on the Civil rights movement.
1955 – Montgomery Bus Boycott
Story of the Montgomery Bus Boycott - Learn the historic story of a town full of civilians who banded together to make a stand in the Civil rights movement.
Montgomery Bus Boycott - Articles, historical timelines and biographies of important people who made the Montgomery Bus Boycott a critical piece of US history.
Montgomery Alabama and the Bus Boycott - Learn about Alabama's shining moments in the Civil rights movement, as well as in American history.
Rosa Parks - One of the most famous people to come out of the Civil rights movement, Rosa Parks was a key factor in the Montgomery Bus Boycott.
Martin Luther King Jr. - The face of the Civil rights movement, Martin Luther King Jr. helped to lead the Montgomery Bus Boycott.
1957 – Desegregation at Little Rock
Segregation Showdown at Little Rock - Follow the archives through the breakdown of segregation in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Little Rock Nine - In Little Rock, Arkansas students attempted to attend an all white high school. Read the documentation of what happened following this event.
Stand Up for Your Rights - Read the story of what happened to the 9 students who attempted to attend a high school that was still racially segregated.
Little Rock Central High School - The protest of black students entering this Arkansas school got so bad, President Eisenhower was forced to send in federal protection.
1960 – Sit-in Campaign
Sit-in Campaign - The basis of sit-in campaigns resulted from students "sitting" at lunch counters until they were acknowledged and served food.
Nashville, TN Sit-in Campaigns - African Americans would sit and wait at the lunch counters in a very polite, non-violent manner. If police arrested them for not leaving, a new group of African Americans would take their place.
1961 – Freedom Rides
Civil Rights Movements and Freedom Rides - Learn how American's tested the commitment to Civil rights through this unique strategy.
Freedom Riders - The Congress on Racial Equality organized these techniques by placing black and white volunteers next to each other on buses and other forms of public transportation.
Freedom Rides - See how the freedom riders played a part in the Civil rights movement timeline.
1962 – Mississippi Riot
Mississippi Riot - Learn how the state of Mississippi rallied against a federal court's decision to allow one black man to attend an all white school.
James H. Meredith - This man was a crucial figure in the American Civil rights movement. By having a federal court approve his case to attend an all white school in Mississippi, riots broke out and in turn paved the way for equality in the US.
University of Mississippi Riot - Learn about the violence and death that ensued from the protest of a black man attending a white school.
1963 – Birmingham
Birmingham, Alabama – In one of the most turbulent cities during the Civil rights movement, this organization explores all of the different activities that made this city a hub of change during this time period.
Birmingham Demonstrations - Read about the efforts Martin Luther King Jr. and citizens hoping for change took to ensure equality for all.
Birmingham Civil Rights District - A historical look at all of the events that took place in Birmingham during the Civil rights movement.
1963 – March on Washington
March on Washington - With an estimated 250,000 people in attendance, this was truly a landmark event for the Civil rights movement.
March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom - Both black and white people gathered together to witness Martin Luther King Jr. give his historical "I Have a Dream" speech.
"I Have a Dream" - Read the words, written and spoke by Martin Luther King Jr., which united a nation.
1964 – Freedom Summer
In the summer of l964, forty-one Freedom Schools opened in the churches, on the back porches, and under the trees of Mississippi.
Mississippi Freedom Summer (Summer Project) Events
1965 – Selma
Selma Marches - What was to be a peaceful march turned into a violent display of hate against the Civil Rights movement.
Bloody Sunday - The demonstration march from Selma to Montgomery was nicknamed "Bloody Sunday" due to the brutality and violence troops used against the peaceful demonstrators.
March 7th Selma, Alabama - Over 600 people partook in the March from Selma, Alabama.
Photographs from Civil Rights Movements
The March on Washington - A collection of photographs from that monumental day in 1963.
Civil Rights Movement in Florida - Images from buses, stores and theatres that demonstrate the progress being made in the Civil rights movement.
Powerful Days in Black and White - Kodak shows the struggles during the Civil rights movement in these photographs.
Black and White Photos - A wonderful collection of black and white photos from the Civil rights movement.

How is this comparable to the US? NAACP vs airlines is not a nationally political issue. Show me a scenario where the US government has changed policy due to economic boycott of private business. Even the withdrawal of the CEOs from the presidential council changed nothing in Trump's policies. Only the courts managed that. There are probably more companies in support of Trump's withdrawal from the Paris Accord than there are opponents.

Specifically in Kenya. Of course this politics of sabotage is new. Business - like journalists - are not likely to take the NASA interference well. This will affect their financing. I have not heard anything from the bankers association on the Equity boycott but am sure they will not have kind words.

We will all watch and see here as it unfolds. Business losses cannot go hidden and we will soon see what becomes of them. Besides the negative effects on the Nyanza region, my bet is a resounding failure to impact politics.

Boycott of business is a very new thing in Kenya and a lot of people do not understand how it works. It only takes a few people to do it for the business to feel the pinch. NAACP called for a  boycott of  American Airlines not too long ago and many African Americans are not even aware of the boycott and yet the CEO of AA has already called a meeting with the NAACP. Like Miguna Said, the days of accepting and Moving on are over.

The boycott will fail because not everyone's convinced of Jubilee's grave sins. Only the diehard base will heed the call. This will compound the investment trouble the Nyanza region is facing.

patel should pin this thread up there... we use it as a live countdown as the mighty business falls. Those green Safaricom shops in Kisumu, Machakos, Mombasa, etc should soon close down as there will be no customers to serve.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 06, 2017, 05:47:39 AM
The civil rights movement. The gay rights movement. Mahatma Gandhi. The 3rd Liberation of Kenya. But then again this could be hyperbole. God bless you brother. Whatever you do may it be less harm than good.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kichwa on November 06, 2017, 06:54:34 AM
I am sure there are those like you who were opposed to the civil rights movement, to the gay rights movement, to Mahatma Gandhi and to the 2nd liberation movement of Kenya. I have no doubt in my mind that if we decide to accept and move on as the likes of you would want us to, my children and grandchildren will live in a totalitarian regime.  I was convinced of this when the SCOK could not get a quorum on the 25th of October; When the DCJ's driver was shot and the DCJ was too scared to go to work; when a holiday was suddenly declared for October 25th just to make sure that no court was open to challenge the illegality of the elections; when three judges appeared in the middle of the night to overrule justice Odunga's decision.  Last but not least, as the deadline for challenging the 26th presidential elections approached, civil societies suspected of planning to file a challenge against the 26th charade elections, have all been summoned to answer to trumped up charges.  My sister, Kenya is already harmed, we are just trying to rescue it, but consistent with the Harriet Tubman quote that Windy cites all the time, there are people who do not think there is anything wrong with this country because of tribalism and therefore they will not understand our fight to rescue this country from ouruto. I really do not understand your mental calculation on all this.

The civil rights movement. The gay rights movement. Mahatma Gandhi. The 3rd Liberation of Kenya. But then again this could be hyperbole. God bless you brother. Whatever you do may it be less harm than good.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: RV Pundit on November 06, 2017, 08:05:16 AM
Boycott will be yet another epic failure. Not gonna work.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 06, 2017, 03:02:45 PM
This beautiful boycott is going to demonstrate to Kenyans the direct link between their sovereignty, their vote, their livelihood and the policies of the GoK, organisations (both commercial, political and NGOs).  That disconnection between the votes cast, conduct of individuals and commercial organisations and eventually political frameworks has been damaging to the regular Kenyan. 

Safaricom's corrupt ways have created a hostile environment for would be competitors and damaged healthy competition and denied Kenyans the benefit of the same.   To protect this, SAFCOM have gotten into bed with electoral fraudsters and provided enabling resources for the elections to be rigged.

Brookside and Bidco have not only financed electoral fraud, but their expansionist policies have killed small business and local co-ops.                 

Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 06, 2017, 06:02:26 PM
Econet (YU) found a fullhouse and couldn't hack it. It's the monopoly in Zim. Airtel string of blunders is the classic incompetence. It took Equitel to craft something resembling a competition. In just two years Equitel has 25% marketshare... while Airtel Money has a megre 0.5%.

Incompetence is not discrimination.

Despite getting favourable crossnetwork rates. And seamless number portability. Airtel is still whining that Safaricom be broken up. Yet they have multiple services under one banner similarly.

Safaricom and Equity are the regional bests. The envy is to be expected.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 06, 2017, 07:24:39 PM
yep it aint gonna work but why are these safaricom dealers crying

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Boycott will be yet another epic failure. Not gonna work.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 06, 2017, 07:44:17 PM
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Title: Re: Boycott is working
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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 06, 2017, 08:36:30 PM
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Tyranny of numbers should scoop this up.  No?  Is the boycott shining another light at the ugly underbelly of what passes for Presidential elections in Kenya. (http://[tweet)
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 06, 2017, 10:37:41 PM
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Tyranny of numbers should scoop this up.  No?  Is the boycott shining another light at the ugly underbelly of what passes for Presidential elections in Kenya.


Exactly, I'd have thought that the 30 million strong and moneyed tyranny tribes would be an immovable captive market lakini wapi.

Meanwhile even George Bush if the Black Flag movement has moved to Maraga court utilising a clause from the beautiful constitution to petition free of charge.

Ruto needs to pack his sh*t and leave our statehouse.   (http://[tweet)
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 07, 2017, 02:29:30 AM
Hypothetically can Safaricom and the other companies sue NASA? For victimizing them, etc.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 07, 2017, 02:38:55 AM
Very positive they can but "He who comes into equity must come with clean hands." ... The maxim is the basis of the clean hands doctrine. Its purpose is to protect the integrity of the court. It does not disapprove only of illegal acts but will deny relief for bad conduct. secondly why should they when Baghdad bob has stated categorically that boycott will be an epic failure????

Hypothetically can Safaricom and the other companies sue NASA? For victimizing them, etc.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 07, 2017, 06:04:58 AM
Very positive they can but "He who comes into equity must come with clean hands." ... The maxim is the basis of the clean hands doctrine. Its purpose is to protect the integrity of the court. It does not disapprove only of illegal acts but will deny relief for bad conduct. secondly why should they when Baghdad bob has stated categorically that boycott will be an epic failure????

Hypothetically can Safaricom and the other companies sue NASA? For victimizing them, etc.

Quite.

These actions will serve as very practical warnings to companies that rely on political patronage to thrive while providing the ways and means of conducting electoral fraud.

NASA hawa!
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: GeeMail on November 07, 2017, 09:11:33 AM
WHAT H.E RAILA ODINGA’S CALL FOR BOYCOTT MEANS.

By Norman Magaya.

A lot has been said about the boycott of Safaricom, Bidco and Brookside. But not much is being said about what a boycott actually means.

If you listen to Hon David Murathe speak, you will understand the thinking of the ethnocracy. David Murathe confidently says “these people are protesting because they have no stake in the economy”.

If you meet your typical ethnic supremacist, that is the narrative they have – we own the economy, you people are just buyers. What they don’t say is that this state of things originated from land acquisition in the 60s and 70s and the redistribution of such land to a specific people.

That is the background. You have a state built on ethnocracy, that looks upon some of its citizens as poor, backward people whose only use is as a market. That is why the cynical and condescending sham of October 26th happened.

So how does a boycott come into this?

A boycott is a strategic move because it can be steered in a way that gives power to the market rather than the supplier. If the declared boycott of Safaricom is followed through with MPs and MCAs leading constituents to Airtel lines to ‘vote’ with their SIM cards, then in a few weeks millions of people can move to Airtel from Safaricom. Then NASA can begin to lead constituents in a similar fashion to MPESA alternatives. The idea is to divorce the people from the economy that the ethnocracy controls.

If it can be demonstrated by example that NASA can actually move people away from a company en masse, then a new respect will emerge among the wealthy for their market. This is a very good outcome.

NASA represents parts of Kenya that have faced marginalization for decades. The Coast has suffered because of historical land injustices.

Luo Nyanza has suffered because opportunities were denied and leaders killed.

Northern Kenya has suffered because the government did not invest in it.

Western has suffered because of deals between Uhuru and Museveni that have killed sugar industry. These and more have made such regions so destitute that they can only function as consumers. Much of Kenya’s industrial and agricultural output is in Central and the Rift Valley – by design. Which makes some regions producers of goods, services and employment, while others are consumers. Because of this, we are expected to kneel before our economy owners/masters or face unemployment and starvation. How is this then a democratic market economy?

Safaricom as a network has been involved in many of the crimes committed against citizens. Bidco’s owners are alleged big donors of both PNU and Jubilee. Brookside has created a dairy monopoly in Kenya and then made deals with Uganda to sell milk there and in return allow Ugandan sugar into Kenya at the expense of Mumias, Sony, Ramisi and the rest.

These are companies that employ Kenyans yes, but must we live under tyranny simply for want of employment? When Kenya is free of Jubilee regime do we not have minds that can run these and even bigger and better companies?

Remember how the colonialists mocked Africans for wanting independence by saying we could not handle it because we could not even manufacture a needle? Are we not independent now and making needles? Will we then continue dying from police bullets, living under fake democracy and suffering ethnic-based marginalization simply because we are afraid of losing jobs? Why are we like this?

Let Safaricom fall if that is what it takes. The post-Jubilee government will make a new Safaricom that does not aid in election fraud. Let Bidco fall if that is what it takes. If every county has its own vegetable oil press that will be more employment and none of the profit will be spent on oathing and militias that are killing people in Kisumu. Let Brookside fall if that is what it takes. Is the science of dairy farming only known to the Kenyattas? Must we buy milk from them? Are our villages and farms unable to have milk processing plants?

Revolution is not eating ice-cream. Resistance is not a romantic holiday. There mustbe some sacrifice in order for the greater good to be secured for the future. Are we going to sit and complain about little inconveniences when the very constitution that allows us the space to complain and resist was achieved through blood, long prison sentences and torture? Do you think the clamor for multi-partyism was silly people complaining about the coldness of the prison cells?

There cannot be any reform if everyone sits and complains about the process. Every revolution starts somewhere.

The Arab spring began with a single man setting himself on fire in Tunisia. People took action, they did not sit and discuss the brand of fuel the man used.
#RESIST
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 08, 2017, 12:00:31 AM
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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 08, 2017, 12:06:26 AM
what other metrics or KPI to measure boycott success do you guys want????


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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 08, 2017, 12:55:48 PM
WHAT H.E RAILA ODINGA’S CALL FOR BOYCOTT MEANS.

By Norman Magaya.

A lot has been said about the boycott of Safaricom, Bidco and Brookside. But not much is being said about what a boycott actually means.

If you listen to Hon David Murathe speak, you will understand the thinking of the ethnocracy. David Murathe confidently says “these people are protesting because they have no stake in the economy”.

If you meet your typical ethnic supremacist, that is the narrative they have – we own the economy, you people are just buyers. What they don’t say is that this state of things originated from land acquisition in the 60s and 70s and the redistribution of such land to a specific people.

That is the background. You have a state built on ethnocracy, that looks upon some of its citizens as poor, backward people whose only use is as a market. That is why the cynical and condescending sham of October 26th happened.

So how does a boycott come into this?

A boycott is a strategic move because it can be steered in a way that gives power to the market rather than the supplier. If the declared boycott of Safaricom is followed through with MPs and MCAs leading constituents to Airtel lines to ‘vote’ with their SIM cards, then in a few weeks millions of people can move to Airtel from Safaricom. Then NASA can begin to lead constituents in a similar fashion to MPESA alternatives. The idea is to divorce the people from the economy that the ethnocracy controls.

If it can be demonstrated by example that NASA can actually move people away from a company en masse, then a new respect will emerge among the wealthy for their market. This is a very good outcome.

NASA represents parts of Kenya that have faced marginalization for decades. The Coast has suffered because of historical land injustices.

Luo Nyanza has suffered because opportunities were denied and leaders killed.

Northern Kenya has suffered because the government did not invest in it.

Western has suffered because of deals between Uhuru and Museveni that have killed sugar industry. These and more have made such regions so destitute that they can only function as consumers. Much of Kenya’s industrial and agricultural output is in Central and the Rift Valley – by design. Which makes some regions producers of goods, services and employment, while others are consumers. Because of this, we are expected to kneel before our economy owners/masters or face unemployment and starvation. How is this then a democratic market economy?

Safaricom as a network has been involved in many of the crimes committed against citizens. Bidco’s owners are alleged big donors of both PNU and Jubilee. Brookside has created a dairy monopoly in Kenya and then made deals with Uganda to sell milk there and in return allow Ugandan sugar into Kenya at the expense of Mumias, Sony, Ramisi and the rest.

These are companies that employ Kenyans yes, but must we live under tyranny simply for want of employment? When Kenya is free of Jubilee regime do we not have minds that can run these and even bigger and better companies?

Remember how the colonialists mocked Africans for wanting independence by saying we could not handle it because we could not even manufacture a needle? Are we not independent now and making needles? Will we then continue dying from police bullets, living under fake democracy and suffering ethnic-based marginalization simply because we are afraid of losing jobs? Why are we like this?

Let Safaricom fall if that is what it takes. The post-Jubilee government will make a new Safaricom that does not aid in election fraud. Let Bidco fall if that is what it takes. If every county has its own vegetable oil press that will be more employment and none of the profit will be spent on oathing and militias that are killing people in Kisumu. Let Brookside fall if that is what it takes. Is the science of dairy farming only known to the Kenyattas? Must we buy milk from them? Are our villages and farms unable to have milk processing plants?

Revolution is not eating ice-cream. Resistance is not a romantic holiday. There mustbe some sacrifice in order for the greater good to be secured for the future. Are we going to sit and complain about little inconveniences when the very constitution that allows us the space to complain and resist was achieved through blood, long prison sentences and torture? Do you think the clamor for multi-partyism was silly people complaining about the coldness of the prison cells?

There cannot be any reform if everyone sits and complains about the process. Every revolution starts somewhere.

The Arab spring began with a single man setting himself on fire in Tunisia. People took action, they did not sit and discuss the brand of fuel the man used.
#RESIST
Muddled opinion.

How did the Arab Spring turn out for the common folk? Any meaningful changes or just cosmetic i.e. new pigs took over?
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 08, 2017, 03:51:12 PM
NASA should extend these boycotts into enhancing business for the sugar industry in Western by purchasing their products only whilst shunning Uhuru's dodgy sugar that is killing local industry.

The cartels and sugar barons will soon be marched off the market.

Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 08, 2017, 03:58:15 PM
NASA should extend these boycotts into enhancing business for the sugar industry in Western by purchasing their products only whilst shunning Uhuru's dodgy sugar that is killing local industry.

The cartels and sugar barons will soon be marched off the market.



My question is who the hell votes for the jubilant?  It’s becoming apparent not many because you can’t rig a boycott.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 08, 2017, 07:11:32 PM
Resistance is real......

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 09, 2017, 11:43:11 PM
dump safaricom shares while you can still make money
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NASA should extend these boycotts into enhancing business for the sugar industry in Western by purchasing their products only whilst shunning Uhuru's dodgy sugar that is killing local industry.

The cartels and sugar barons will soon be marched off the market.



My question is who the hell votes for the jubilant?  It’s becoming apparent not many because you can’t rig a boycott.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 11, 2017, 01:07:05 AM
The Business Daily does not agree with you...

Safaricom sheds Sh20bn in week of Nasa boycott
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2017 9:56

Telecoms operator Safaricom’s SCOM • 24.75 market valuation shed Sh20 billion in the first week of opposition coalition Nasa’s call on their supporters to boycott the firm’s services.
The marginal drop in the share price is seen to signal the resilience of the company, which accounts for nearly 40 per cent of trading at the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE), and to be a reflection of the fact that investors have yet to get enough information on the boycott’s potential to move the market in either direction.

Some analysts, however, insisted that the political action was unlikely to affect the company’s share price in the longer term, especially because they expect revenue growth to remain on course.

“There is only a small element of the boycott to Safaricom’s share price performance, attributable to investor sentiment. In our view, the slight drop is mainly due to a price correction after release of first half results, and precisely because the 9.5 per cent year-on-year profit growth was lower than anticipated,” said Dyer & Blair head of research Linet Muriungi.

“We may, however, see subscriber growth either stabilise or soften marginally in the short term, where the organic growth in subscriber numbers is offset by those leaving.”

Ms Muriungi said she did not expect a decline in service revenues because the migration is more likely to be in the subscriber base that accounts for low value monthly credit usage rather than among premium customers who account for the lion’s share of the service revenue.

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/Safaricom-sheds-Sh20bn-Nasa-boycott/539552-4180896-t6vil0z/ (http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/Safaricom-sheds-Sh20bn-Nasa-boycott/539552-4180896-t6vil0z/)

dump safaricom shares while you can still make money
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NASA should extend these boycotts into enhancing business for the sugar industry in Western by purchasing their products only whilst shunning Uhuru's dodgy sugar that is killing local industry.

The cartels and sugar barons will soon be marched off the market.



My question is who the hell votes for the jubilant?  It’s becoming apparent not many because you can’t rig a boycott.
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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 13, 2017, 07:14:46 PM
Robina, you are not alone while at it explain to kababa na kamba 20 billion, actually 40 billion loss was at NSE

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 14, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
Foreigners understand customer is king and losing almost 3 millions customer is no joke

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 20, 2017, 11:26:54 PM
time to add more offenders in the boycott list including French companies
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 21, 2017, 12:55:54 AM
time to add more offenders in the boycott list including French companies
Err, Safcom added Sh40b in value after the initial drop of Sh20b after the boycott started.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 21, 2017, 01:50:26 AM
Dead cat bounce...even a dead cat will bounce if it is dropped from high enough.

time to add more offenders in the boycott list including French companies
Err, Safcom added Sh40b in value after the initial drop of Sh20b after the boycott started.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 21, 2017, 12:00:43 PM
Dead cat bounce...even a dead cat will bounce if it is dropped from high enough.

time to add more offenders in the boycott list including French companies
Err, Safcom added Sh40b in value after the initial drop of Sh20b after the boycott started.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Time will tell but from I'm seeing so far (granted, it's my own POV), the boycott has failed.

Just out of curiosity, this boycott, why only the 3 companies so far? I mean, jubilee bigwig sponsors cut across all sectors of the economy i.e. they practically control everything. I think someone mentioned Ngina, who's one of the largest shareholders of Kenya Power so every time time I use electricity, she earns something.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: RV Pundit on November 21, 2017, 12:59:18 PM
Boycott failed before it started. It restricted to a few hardliners in Luo Nyanza.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 21, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
If you are a simple taxi driver and dump your Safaricom for Airtel... suddenly 80% of your customers find it more expensive to call you... because of the high cross-network rates. The economics don't care about your political views.

Boycott failed before it started. It restricted to a few hardliners in Luo Nyanza.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 21, 2017, 09:37:00 PM
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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 21, 2017, 10:05:00 PM
When it rains it pour. Safaricom should stop provoking Kenyans....

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 22, 2017, 08:31:23 AM
When it rains it pour. Safaricom should stop provoking Kenyans....

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: RV Pundit on November 22, 2017, 10:35:31 AM
Look like Safaricom is going to join Global 1000 companies soon. It already past 10B USD mark.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 22, 2017, 10:51:42 AM
Yup. And the boycotter should join the Global List of Shame. For being an international unpatriotic moron.

Look like Safaricom is going to join Global 1000 companies soon. It already past 10B USD mark.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 22, 2017, 11:33:54 AM
Yup. And the boycotter should join the Global List of Shame. For being an international unpatriotic moron.

Look like Safaricom is going to join Global 1000 companies soon. It already past 10B USD mark.
Yet they're feverishly working on expanding the boycott list.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/22/nasa-to-add-more-firms-to-boycott-list_c1673635
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 22, 2017, 11:54:30 AM
Yup. And the boycotter should join the Global List of Shame. For being an international unpatriotic moron.

Look like Safaricom is going to join Global 1000 companies soon. It already past 10B USD mark.
Yet they're feverishly working on expanding the boycott list.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/22/nasa-to-add-more-firms-to-boycott-list_c1673635

Am sure the hit list includes the other innovation powerhouse Equitel... which is working on a flurry of new media & stuff... big crying shame.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: GeeMail on November 22, 2017, 02:04:59 PM
This boycott is highly symbolic. The figures (which are usually cooked anyway) will be cooked to show the opposite. Ouru boycotted Kenyans and those who think it should not be that way are simply returning the favor.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 22, 2017, 04:33:05 PM
Shortly even i will be migrating to Airtel.  The boycott will be working in my personal capacity.  I do not understand these strange comments that the boycott is not working.  According to who exactly?

Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 22, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Yup. And the boycotter should join the Global List of Shame. For being an international unpatriotic moron.

Look like Safaricom is going to join Global 1000 companies soon. It already past 10B USD mark.
Yet they're feverishly working on expanding the boycott list.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/22/nasa-to-add-more-firms-to-boycott-list_c1673635

Am sure the hit list includes the other innovation powerhouse Equitel... which is working on a flurry of new media & stuff... big crying shame.

Well, Robina do you know a company called 3M?  I once visited their offices and on one of the walls there is a mural depicting the history of the company in the form of a storyboard.  The strangest part of was the blank bits between 190 and 1945.  Please note that they did not shut down for business.  They just did some things that may not be palatable for people today.

The point is, even innovative companies commit crimes against people and innovation should not be the reason they should get away with such crimes.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 22, 2017, 04:42:07 PM
Yup. And the boycotter should join the Global List of Shame. For being an international unpatriotic moron.

Look like Safaricom is going to join Global 1000 companies soon. It already past 10B USD mark.
Yet they're feverishly working on expanding the boycott list.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/22/nasa-to-add-more-firms-to-boycott-list_c1673635

Am sure the hit list includes the other innovation powerhouse Equitel... which is working on a flurry of new media & stuff... big crying shame.

Well, Robina do you know a company called 3M?  I once visited their offices and on one of the walls there is a mural depicting the history of the company in the form of a storyboard.  The strangest part of was the blank bits between 190 and 1945.  Please note that they did not shut down for business.  They just did some things that may not be palatable for people today.

The point is, even innovative companies commit crimes against people and innovation should not be the reason they should get away with such crimes.
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 22, 2017, 04:51:42 PM
Yup. And the boycotter should join the Global List of Shame. For being an international unpatriotic moron.

Look like Safaricom is going to join Global 1000 companies soon. It already past 10B USD mark.
Yet they're feverishly working on expanding the boycott list.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/22/nasa-to-add-more-firms-to-boycott-list_c1673635

Am sure the hit list includes the other innovation powerhouse Equitel... which is working on a flurry of new media & stuff... big crying shame.

Well, Robina do you know a company called 3M?  I once visited their offices and on one of the walls there is a mural depicting the history of the company in the form of a storyboard.  The strangest part of was the blank bits between 190 and 1945.  Please note that they did not shut down for business.  They just did some things that may not be palatable for people today.

The point is, even innovative companies commit crimes against people and innovation should not be the reason they should get away with such crimes.

Innovation is scarcer than democracy in Sub Sahara Africa so no but no thanks.
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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 22, 2017, 04:56:17 PM
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 22, 2017, 07:19:01 PM
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.

Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 22, 2017, 08:42:54 PM
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.
That's why I asked you to provide us with the "correct" numbers (with sources), the ones you're basing your allegations that the boycott is working.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 23, 2017, 05:08:21 AM
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.
That's why I asked you to provide us with the "correct" numbers (with sources), the ones you're basing your allegations that the boycott is working.


Yo
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.
That's why I asked you to provide us with the "correct" numbers (with sources), the ones you're basing your allegations that the boycott is working.

I think you're being clever by half.  The market is buoyed by short term share profiteers whose interest in Safcom has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the firm. 

The boycott is still in its infancy and you know very well that performance data is not available yet.  But the behaviour of the dealer network is telling as demand has tailed off, otherwise they won't be crying at press conferences.

I say let's wait for Safcom quarterly results if at all they'll be truthful about them.  I've got relatives at Safcom and they are jumping ship. 

Let's revisit in 6 months. 
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: hk on November 23, 2017, 08:11:15 AM
Is burning and destroying masts boycott or vandalism? Safaricom is creating an ecosystem that most people will find it hard to avoid. The Mpesa,voice and data, fibre(cheapest in town), Mshwari and now masoko ecommerce. Ultimately everyone is driven by their own selfish reasons, I don't use safaricom cause I love it but cause I get value for my money period.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: GeeMail on November 23, 2017, 10:31:32 AM
Is burning and destroying masts boycott or vandalism? Safaricom is creating an ecosystem that most people will find it hard to avoid. The Mpesa,voice and data, fibre(cheapest in town), Mshwari and now masoko ecommerce. Ultimately everyone is driven by their own selfish reasons, I don't use safaricom cause I love it but cause I get value for my money period.

Boycotters are aware Safaricom is into all those products. Safaricom's competitors also know that very well. People who conscientiously biycott products and services kniw there will be inconvenuences. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat kniwing it was incobvenient to have Bazungu eyes on her and tge racist law enforcement poluce after her. It's a ling journey. If you choose to support the Jubilee fraud complex prepare for your journey. Others have their own journey as well.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 23, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.
That's why I asked you to provide us with the "correct" numbers (with sources), the ones you're basing your allegations that the boycott is working.


Yo
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.
That's why I asked you to provide us with the "correct" numbers (with sources), the ones you're basing your allegations that the boycott is working.

I think you're being clever by half.  The market is buoyed by short term share profiteers whose interest in Safcom has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the firm. 

The boycott is still in its infancy and you know very well that performance data is not available yet.  But the behaviour of the dealer network is telling as demand has tailed off, otherwise they won't be crying at press conferences.

I say let's wait for Safcom quarterly results if at all they'll be truthful about them.  I've got relatives at Safcom and they are jumping ship. 

Let's revisit in 6 months.
Hokay.

I'm ready to admit I'm wrong if the Safcon numbers don't reflect the boycott as damaging as NASA supporters are making it out to be.

Interestingly, you left yourself a way out for you not to admit you may be wrong by stating and I quote you "if at all they'll be truthful about them."

Fascinating.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 23, 2017, 08:07:55 PM
Public companies are audited and it's criminal to lie about their numbers.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 23, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
Boycott, sabotage what difference does it make when dealing with a company that was used to circumvent the will of the people? A company that has been used to track and assassinate kenyans. It's upon safaricom to find way to secure their assets.

 Something strange,
Why did Vodafone swap it's safaricom shares with vodacom one day before the elections?
 
Is burning and destroying masts boycott or vandalism? Safaricom is creating an ecosystem that most people will find it hard to avoid. The Mpesa,voice and data, fibre(cheapest in town), Mshwari and now masoko ecommerce. Ultimately everyone is driven by their own selfish reasons, I don't use safaricom cause I love it but cause I get value for my money period.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 23, 2017, 11:50:49 PM
Welcome to banana republic. This is Kenya

Public companies are audited and it's criminal to lie about their numbers.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 24, 2017, 08:43:24 AM
Public companies are audited and it's criminal to lie about their numbers.


It's also criminal to rig elections,  murder citizens and to intimidate state officers in order to influence them.

Audits will be a walkover in this environment
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 24, 2017, 12:18:30 PM
Public companies are audited and it's criminal to lie about their numbers.


It's also criminal to rig elections,  murder citizens and to intimidate state officers in order to influence them.

Audits will be a walkover in this environment

Took 50+ years but we've done it, haven't we?

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Nefertiti on November 24, 2017, 05:10:53 PM
wow bryan do you even trust the little Kenyan left in you?
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Dear Mami on November 24, 2017, 05:39:40 PM
Public companies are audited and it's criminal to lie about their numbers.


It's also criminal to rig elections,  murder citizens and to intimidate state officers in order to influence them.

Audits will be a walkover in this environment

Took 50+ years but we've done it, haven't we?

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Who's the "we" that's done the "it" here? If this is another damn-all-Kenyans argument, let me just say I strongly disagree.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 24, 2017, 06:22:58 PM
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.
That's why I asked you to provide us with the "correct" numbers (with sources), the ones you're basing your allegations that the boycott is working.


Yo
BMW did (the emblem, propeller against blue and cloudy sky). And a host of other big German multinationals.

Anywho, that's history.

Any confirmed numbers on how badly the boycotted companies have been hit in terms of customers staying? I don't have a clue myself. The only thing I'm seeing is full confidence in Safcon:


Of course, the newspapers could be making all this up, right? ;)

bryan what do you say about this news?

Relying on the rigged NSE as validation?  Pull the other one please.
That's why I asked you to provide us with the "correct" numbers (with sources), the ones you're basing your allegations that the boycott is working.

I think you're being clever by half.  The market is buoyed by short term share profiteers whose interest in Safcom has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the firm. 

The boycott is still in its infancy and you know very well that performance data is not available yet.  But the behaviour of the dealer network is telling as demand has tailed off, otherwise they won't be crying at press conferences.

I say let's wait for Safcom quarterly results if at all they'll be truthful about them.  I've got relatives at Safcom and they are jumping ship. 

Let's revisit in 6 months.
Hokay.

I'm ready to admit I'm wrong if the Safcon numbers don't reflect the boycott as damaging as NASA supporters are making it out to be.

Interestingly, you left yourself a way out for you not to admit you may be wrong by stating and I quote you "if at all they'll be truthful about them."

Fascinating.

You and I know that very little that comes out of our beloved nation today can stand the smell test.  Integrity is a very foreign concept thank you to the corruption enabling environment that the thieving bastards have presided over.

Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 24, 2017, 06:24:11 PM
wow bryan do you even trust the little Kenyan left in you?

Er.... no.  Should I?
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Dear Mami on November 24, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
wow bryan do you even trust the little Kenyan left in you?

Er.... no.  Should I?
Imagine that...asking sane people to trust in the honesty of thugs. It must be lovely in that rose-coloured universe, wish I could move there.  :D
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on November 24, 2017, 07:05:51 PM
wow bryan do you even trust the little Kenyan left in you?

Er.... no.  Should I?
Imagine that...asking sane people to trust in the honesty of thugs. It must be lovely in that rose-coloured universe, wish I could move there.  :D


Trust me you do not want to move there.  I have developed sores from intensive head scratching in wonderment.  I am blown away by the constant reference to the constitution, obeying of the law, respect for the supreme court, the independence of institutions like IEBC by the thieving bastards.  It's like a section of our society resides in some parallel universe where good has been reversed with bad. 

Mind how you go
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 24, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
Public companies are audited and it's criminal to lie about their numbers.


It's also criminal to rig elections,  murder citizens and to intimidate state officers in order to influence them.

Audits will be a walkover in this environment

Took 50+ years but we've done it, haven't we?

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Who's the "we" that's done the "it" here? If this is another damn-all-Kenyans argument, let me just say I strongly disagree.
We as a nation. Otherwise how do you explain why our country is in tatters?

It's obvious that the vast majority of Kenyans have no idea what we want aside from putting one of our own in charge.

Go through the forum, as an example, and take a look at both sides. Nobody gives a hoot as long as their side is in power and eating. The crazy belief that Kenya can only prosper when our own is in charge is very prevalent in our society. Only a minority see the total BS for what it is.

Sad? Hell yeah but it's the unfortunate truth.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Dear Mami on November 24, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
We as a nation. Otherwise how do you explain why our country is in tatters?

It's obvious that the vast majority of Kenyans have no idea what we want aside from putting one of our own in charge.

Go through the forum, as an example, and take a look at both sides. Nobody gives a hoot as long as their side is in power and eating. The crazy belief that Kenya can only prosper when our own is in charge is very prevalent in our society. Only a minority see the total BS for what it is.

Sad? Hell yeah but it's the unfortunate truth.
This is factually untrue. Apart from Pundit, Kichwa and Bryan, who else here has "their man" eyeing the top seat? I know my reasons for hedging my bets with a Raila-led team. It's not because he is in any way, shape or form "my man" and it's not because I'm giddy about the prospect of watching him "eat".
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Empedocles on November 24, 2017, 08:40:24 PM
We as a nation. Otherwise how do you explain why our country is in tatters?

It's obvious that the vast majority of Kenyans have no idea what we want aside from putting one of our own in charge.

Go through the forum, as an example, and take a look at both sides. Nobody gives a hoot as long as their side is in power and eating. The crazy belief that Kenya can only prosper when our own is in charge is very prevalent in our society. Only a minority see the total BS for what it is.

Sad? Hell yeah but it's the unfortunate truth.
This is factually untrue. Apart from Pundit, Kichwa and Bryan, who else here has "their man" eyeing the top seat? I know my reasons for hedging my bets with a Raila-led team. It's not because he is in any way, shape or form "my man".
You're ignoring the bigger picture of my argument; tribal voting.

I do agree that on this forum (or any other) it's difficult to ascertain supporters origins.

But the tribal voting patterns confirm what I've written about "our man".
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: RV Pundit on November 25, 2017, 11:33:23 AM
Boycott worked so much Safaricom is now valued at it highest ever. Look like investors don't buy the BS.

Safaricom will definitely make more money next year than this year. They are tightening screws on M-pesa - make it hard for people to game it to avoid paying transaction fee -
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on November 27, 2017, 06:55:54 AM
shocked that you finally have faith in Kenya casino aka NSE.
Focus on safaricom assets and revenue streams.

Boycott worked so much Safaricom is now valued at it highest ever. Look like investors don't buy the BS.

Safaricom will definitely make more money next year than this year. They are tightening screws on M-pesa - make it hard for people to game it to avoid paying transaction fee -
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on December 05, 2017, 08:25:45 PM
Crookside turns to Cambridge Analytica as boycott bites.....

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: RV Pundit on December 05, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
Those are cartoons kids love to watch. Not everything is about race.
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on December 07, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
Resistance is real. forget about accept and move on nonsense

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Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on February 11, 2018, 02:46:26 AM
Two more companies to boycott
1. Shell
2. KLM
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: bryan275 on February 11, 2018, 01:09:17 PM
I heard somewhere that a well known "industrialist" and other Uthamaki economic assassins are the ones behind Miguna's woes.... this #Resist seems to be scaring the thieving bastards...
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: Kichwa on February 11, 2018, 03:50:00 PM
They have given Miguna a world wide audience and now he literally needs a secretary to keep tab of all his scheduled TV appearances.  They took him home to his wife and children and he will eventually come back to Kenya a hero. The laws of unintended consequences is always at work.  As I said before, the so called "instruments of power" is not immune to the laws of diminishing returns. Drunkardness and arrogance is not helpful.

I heard somewhere that a well known "industrialist" and other Uthamaki economic assassins are the ones behind Miguna's woes.... this #Resist seems to be scaring the thieving bastards...
Title: Re: Boycott is working
Post by: patel on February 11, 2018, 06:26:04 PM
Economic boycott is the only language these fools understand. NRM Kenya should release the update list of all business owned by electoral thieves. 
I heard somewhere that a well known "industrialist" and other Uthamaki economic assassins are the ones behind Miguna's woes.... this #Resist seems to be scaring the thieving bastards...