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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: GeeMail on October 08, 2018, 11:10:34 AM
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Pope Francis called on Thursday on the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics to join the fight against climate change. In a papal encyclical letter, Pope Francis declared that the science of climate change is clear and that the Catholic Church views climate change as a moral issue that must be addressed in order to protect the Earth and everyone on it.
https://unfccc.int/news/pope-francis-releases-encyclical-on-climate-and-environment
Just how did the pope manage to turn a highly speculative scientific debate into a "moral issue?" Catholics are being asked to fight global warming as if humans have such capability. No longer called global warming, this climate change thing has created enormous media buzz and is the latest fad in town. Glitzy graphics, numerous charts and great political correctness accompany this well-heeled airhead, jostling to catch the latest gazes and camera clicks. Few ever pose to ask why the pope of all people should be championing climate change talks. What is really behind this charade? Who else will be fooled?
https://calthomas.com/columns/climate-change-hoax-exposed
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GeeMail, you sound like Donald Trump or some redneck in Arkansas.
How many rivers have dried in Kenya in the past 10 years? Look at the Mau River today. It is a stream and no longer a river. Give it 10 years and it will be no more.
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If the activities of human cited were to create global warming, it would a crisis of hellish proportions. Corrupt Kenyan politicians grabbing Mau and other public land (Ruaraka, Weston) will be happy to shout "climate change". Even Donald Trump and rednecks are right sometimes. Look where it has placed Kavanaugh. Against all odds. The number of media articles generated by the global warming hype is not proof of its existence. Can we start with why the proponents are no longer talking about "global warming" and choose "climate change" instead?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/#34138d8953a5
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Because in some places it is getting colder than it was before. Take a good example of Nairobi. The cold season 20 years ago used to be in June till July. Nowadays you have temperatures of lower than 20°C from April till September. Talk to anybody older than 70 years of age and just ask them how the climate used to be decades ago and you will hear it personally. No need of any reasearchers with big academic titles.
If the activities of human cited were to create global warming, it would a crisis of hellish proportions. Corrupt Kenyan politicians grabbing Mau and other public land (Ruaraka, Weston) will be happy to shout "climate change". Even Donald Trump and rednecks are right sometimes. Look where it has placed Kavanaugh. Against all odds. The number of media articles generated by the global warming hype is not proof of its existence. Can we start with why the proponents are no longer talking about "global warming" and choose "climate change" instead?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/#34138d8953a5
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Geemail
Educate yourself and stop spewing nonsense here. You are degrading this site. Africans need to arm themselves and fight the west for unleashing global warming and seating back
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So this is a global warming forum or what? You are no pope who says global warming deniers are perverse. Seasons have been changing and will keep changing. That does not give the pope or any Kenyanplato the right to impose views on anybody. The church once decreed that the earth was flat and persecuted anybody who thought otherwise. You can be African and a realist at the same time. Africans can begin by stopping landgrabbers in Mau, Ruaraka, Weston before they shout global warming.
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Because in some places it is getting colder than it was before. Take a good example of Nairobi. The cold season 20 years ago used to be in June till July. Nowadays you have temperatures of lower than 20°C from April till September. Talk to anybody older than 70 years of age and just ask them how the climate used to be decades ago and you will hear it personally. No need of any reasearchers with big academic titles.
Sounds more like global cooling. If you want to speak papa Sirandula's language, at least be consistent.
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GeeMail,
There usually two categories of climate-change opponents(I hate the term deniers/denialists). The educated ones tend to belong to a school that claims it is happening, but humans have little to zero contribution. I have worked with one such guy, a Phd meteorologist trading in weather derivatives. He says we simply don't have enough reliable data in terms of how long accurate data has been gathered.
Then there is a group that denies it is a thing at all. I have never met(or even read about) any reasonably informed person in this category.
It seems reasonable people can disagree about the cause, even though it defies logic why humans should totally ignore the little things they can do, no matter how "useless" to NOT exacerbate the problem. Especially when it promotes breakthroughs in renewable energy.
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So this is a global warming forum or what? You are no pope who says global warming deniers are perverse. Seasons have been changing and will keep changing. That does not give the pope or any Kenyanplato the right to impose views on anybody. The church once decreed that the earth was flat and persecuted anybody who thought otherwise. You can be African and a realist at the same time. Africans can begin by stopping landgrabbers in Mau, Ruaraka, Weston before they shout global warming.
You are bigger fool than I thought
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GeeMail,
There usually two categories of climate-change opponents(I hate the term deniers/denialists). The educated ones tend to belong to a school that claims it is happening, but humans have little to zero contribution. I have worked with one such guy, a Phd meteorologist trading in weather derivatives. He says we simply don't have enough reliable data in terms of how long accurate data has been gathered.
Then there is a group that denies it is a thing at all. I have never met(or even read about) any reasonably informed person in this category.
It seems reasonable people can disagree about the cause, even though it defies logic why humans should totally ignore the little things they can do, no matter how "useless" to NOT exacerbate the problem. Especially when it promotes breakthroughs in renewable energy.
A very reasonable approach, thanks. I haven't met any global warming denier (the term) who supports pollution either. Living in such a polluted city like mine, I would be the last to deny we are damaging the environment, but I'll not go hysterical. Things like what Elon Musk are doing (forget about plots in Mars though) are good and commendable. I doubt mass hysteria about global warming is enough motivation for clean energy since the scientists behind renewable energy also know if global warming is a hoax. Pursue renewable energy but let other viewpoints be heard as well. We know what happens when Africa begins receiving CO2 money from the west. Mau landgrabbers are lining up for it.
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I am a skeptic on climate change. I think forces of nature are too powerful for us to influence it in any serious scale. We are like ants building huge ant- hills but in large scale of things we are just nothing. The universe is so immense I don't think we even comprehend how immense it is.
One single volcano can fart more co2 than all humans and their activities combined.
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I am a skeptic on climate change. I think forces of nature are too powerful for us to influence it in any serious scale. We are like ants building huge ant- hills but in large scale of things we are just nothing. The universe is so immense I don't think we even comprehend how immense it is.
One single volcano can fart more co2 than all humans and their activities combined.
Volcanoes do add CO2, but at a natural rate below what has been observed since the industrial revolution. But again, reliable data on a global scale is a relatively recent thing.
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Geemail, Pope Francis is not the first pope to say Catholics have a duty to preserve the environment. It is seen to be part and parcel of the Genesis command to Adam regarding his dominion over the earth and the idea that it still belongs to God and future humans so you can't just dump on it with a devil-may-care attitude. That's all I'll say about the religious angle.
The 'kawa' angle, I'm no expert, but when I see upwards of 90% of scientists telling you one thing about a phenomenon, I feel that to rubbish it I must have very good reasons, like SUPER, SUPER good reasons.
Also, lots of 'opposition'/'climate change denial' studies are funded by oil companies and other interest groups that do not want to be told not to pollute. If anyone should be allowed some leeway or grace period in this, it is very poor countries, assuming we actually start industrialization, and it should be limited in a way, there should be some kind of deadline to when we are to get in line in upholding all the same standards and some kind of limit in the stuff we do before deadline.
First world countries have no excuse.
By the way, Africa will be hardest hit. Lets just pray, my friend. Things are going to be thick. So don't support factions in first world countries that rubbish climate change. We will all suffer but they will not suffer as much as Africans despite being the actual culprits of the problem.
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I am a skeptic on climate change. I think forces of nature are too powerful for us to influence it in any serious scale. We are like ants building huge ant- hills but in large scale of things we are just nothing. The universe is so immense I don't think we even comprehend how immense it is.
One single volcano can fart more co2 than all humans and their activities combined.
We can give global warming proponents the benefit of doubt when they talk about pollution and carbon emission etc. One of the reports by scientists actually shows the benefits of more CO2 (e.g the increased greenery in Canada). Makes a lot of sense considering that plants use a lot of CO2. Again, the global warmers are putting the cart before the horse. Does CO2 cause global warming or does global warming lead to increased CO2 in the atmosphere? Many of these scientific reports have nothing to do with the oil industry although they will obviously be very happy to hear some of the conclusions. Global warming skeptics will not support runaway pollution. We will not accept to be bullied by popery into accepting a hoax.
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Like a first year university essay. Even the ostentatious popery prayers couldn't help this one. http://joannenova.com.au/2018/10/first-audit-of-global-temperature-data-finds-freezing-tropical-islands-boiling-towns-boats-on-land/
Gory details of the worst outliers
For April, June and July of 1978 Apto Uto (Colombia, ID:800890) had an average monthly temperature of 81.5°C, 83.4°C and 83.4°C respectively.
The monthly mean temperature in September 1953 at Paltinis, Romania is reported as -46.4 °C (in other years the September average was about 11.5°C).
At Golden Rock Airport, on the island of St Kitts in the Caribbean, mean monthly temperatures for December in 1981 and 1984 are reported as 0.0°C. But from 1971 to 1990 the average in all the other years was 26.0°C.
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I am a skeptic on climate change. I think forces of nature are too powerful for us to influence it in any serious scale. We are like ants building huge ant- hills but in large scale of things we are just nothing. The universe is so immense I don't think we even comprehend how immense it is.
One single volcano can fart more co2 than all humans and their activities combined.
Simple science. I used to be a sceptic until i looked into the data. I just stumbled into this as I was reviewing energy consumption in use.. Learning. That USA consumes 1.3 million gallons of oil a day just blew my mind..r8ght now the acti9b is in China
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I am a skeptic on climate change. I think forces of nature are too powerful for us to influence it in any serious scale. We are like ants building huge ant- hills but in large scale of things we are just nothing. The universe is so immense I don't think we even comprehend how immense it is.
One single volcano can fart more co2 than all humans and their activities combined.
Simple science. I used to be a sceptic until i looked into the data. I just stumbled into this as I was reviewing energy consumption in use.. Learning. That USA consumes 1.3 million gallons of oil a day just blew my mind..r8ght now the acti9b is in China
It says the US consumes 19,531,000 barrels per day in 2015. At 42 gallons each, that would leave the US using 820,302,000 gallons a day.
https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/?view=consumption (https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/?view=consumption)
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Thanks bitmask..i may have converted to metric..i looked at this data 10 years ago so my memory is fuzzy..
The funny thing is that global warming was discovered in 1960s. It is onky now we are making noise about it. It over fuckers
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All US presidents have visited the Vatican or met the pope on American soil. Some have met the pope like three times during their presidency. Other presidents in the world pay homage to the pope too, so do world religions. Who gave the man his seat and great authority? Climate change laws are about restoring the damaged image of the Catholic church (amid concerns over priestly sex scandals, financial mess at Vatican and doctrinal apostasy) in a way that makes the pope the world's moral leader (my foot!) and global president. Everywhere people are suing the Catholic priestly sex pests for compensation. First it will begin with the eroding or human rights and civil liberties in the US. With a majority conservative SCOTUS, you can sue from here to Zamunda and the cases will go nowhere.
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https://psmag.com/environment/how-the-government-will-defend-itself-against-young-people-suing-over-climate The way forward lies with SCOTUS.
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It rains, it pours. https://www.axios.com/wave-of-state-attorneys-general-take-on-catholic-church-sex-abuse-2be8c5a7-83d0-4f9a-bed6-968789e43a44.html
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Uhuru on climate change.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-in-Paris---Green-the-way-to-go-/1056-4846138-8wh7rd/index.html
Why it changed from "global warming" to "climate change" the new money minter. Kenya must not be left behind.
https://merionwest.com/2017/04/25/richard-lindzen-thoughts-on-the-public-discourse-over-climate-change/
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https://apnews.com/5e2cdafcbdb8429d96fd3b3b91b880d6
The UN ratcheting it up.
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Republicans think that by denying climate change, poor leadership, deficits, racism, etc it just goes away.
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Climate change or shall we call it global warming is being wormed into the hearts of men as "reality" and a fact of life. The truth is that the push is only backed by dubious data and loud politicians seeking undue power and control of others. There are living scientists and common sense persons who know global warming is all hype. Trump and Bergoglio know.
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What's the UN doing in Vatican and what has the pope to do with global warming or is it "climate change"? Wake up people. Control is the byword.
https://www.unenvironment.org/events/un-environment-event/saving-our-common-home-and-future-life-earth-3rd-anniversary-laudato-si
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https://catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2017/05/16/lets-be-honest-catholic-teaching-doesnt-always-forbid-the-death-penalty/
For rejecting the catholic version of global warming, this may be your end.
EU already in lockstep with the catholic requirement for Sunday shopping bans. https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/publications/article/2014/government-to-revise-rules-on-sunday-working
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https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/12/06/world/europe/ap-eu-climate-france-protests.html Coming to a city near you.
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Gee GM, I presume you're sporting a yellow vest... this went too far though... I thought the French were generally learned.
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Deny Deny Deny.
Noah preached for 120yrs, remember.
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Veritas at first I imagined it was too farfetched that the papal climate change religion could even find believers. Now it is everywhere and adherents are numerous. Do not rely on herd intelligence - the French cannot think right collectively. Did you see the riots? Beautiful Paris is choking in smoke and teargas. You'd have imagined you were in our shemeji's place across the river during the 2017 elections! Macron is likely to resign today or tomorrow. We maintain that the pope has more urgent things that should occupy his time, not this hoax he's pushing on climate change, global warming tree hugging mantra. I bet he does not believe it himself.
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In my opinion these people were protesting inequalities that currently exist. Y should they pay higher taxes while the rich get a free ride.
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Geemail, you live in your own world.
Macron is going nowhere. France is not 4th world republic. Paris is so big that I can assure you 90% of the people who live there had no clue of the demonstrations. It is French culture to strike and demonstrate and do not think it is like Jamuhuri ya Kenya.
On climate change, I have no words for your opinion.
Veritas at first I imagined it was too farfetched that the papal climate change religion could even find believers. Now it is everywhere and adherents are numerous. Do not rely on herd intelligence - the French cannot think right collectively. Did you see the riots? Beautiful Paris is choking in smoke and teargas. You'd have imagined you were in our shemeji's place across the river during the 2017 elections! Macron is likely to resign today or tomorrow. We maintain that the pope has more urgent things that should occupy his time, not this hoax he's pushing on climate change, global warming tree hugging mantra. I bet he does not believe it himself.
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The French are leftist in culture. They supported and lived under communism. It's not like them to support "better living conditions" it sounds like a protest from the banlieus.
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There is clear and present danger that the gilets jeunes movement has been hijacked by extremists and this will embolden Macron to deal with them ruthlessly. He's likely to declare them to be terrorists and get them arrested. A false flag operation will be a perfect excuse. Global leaders are watching Paris with consternation because it can happen anywhere. They will ask him to contain the problem "by all means necessary."
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The French are leftist in culture. They supported and lived under communism. It's not like them to support "better living conditions" it sounds like a protest from the banlieus.
They are indeed leftist. But they have been under socialism rather than communism. Very anti-aristocrat. It does not take much to get them in the streets unlike in the US.
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https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2018/02/Groupthink.pdf
According to Janis there are three rules of groupthink.
They are:
Rule One. A group of people come to share a common view or belief that in some way is not properly based on reality.
Rule Two. Because their common view/belief cannot be subjected to external proof they have to reinforce its authority by claiming ‘consensus.’ The idea is to emphasize that all right-thinking people hold this view and that it is no longer open to challenge.
Rule Three: Anyone who disputes this ‘consensus’ must be excluded from the discussion: at best marginalized; at worst openly attacked or discredited.
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https://ceoworld.biz/2018/01/29/a-modest-proposal-for-a-day-of-rest/ Here's where papa Francis will most likely jump in. He will want Sunday to be the international rest day. Already, all major religions are trooping to his hut to pay homage. The Bible says the whole world will wonder after the beast.