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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2021, 11:42:30 AM »
Again Kalonzo started attacking Ruto because he can see Ruto circling Machakos and Makueni. For now Ruto is not interested in negotiation. That will happen in 2022. The NASA crew together with deep state are not campaigning. But hoping from one bar to the other - organizing how they can split position in post BBI kenya. That is dumb strategy. Ground game hakuna.

Ruto is right now finishing Raila in coast, attacking Kalonzo in Ukambani, overrunning Weta in Bungoma, and fighting both Raila and maDVD in Kakamega - and also trying to keep some allies in Gusii despite Matiangi going round claiming to be waiting to be endorsed by Uhuru.

This he is doing while defending GEMA from Kieleweke assault.

This Ruto will add to Kamatusa+somali reliable base.

And come 2022 - he will probably need to negotiate with one person for DPORK.


Kalonzo is a have-been but Ruto fighting him tooth and nail? What does that mean? Ruto should spend time with Sonko and Muthama and other have-beens instead of fighting another have-been Kalonzo. Kalonzo has little to loose but Ruto can loose everything including impeachment. He has succeeded in reuniting dead horse NASA. Not to mention Jubilee deep state.

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2021, 11:47:28 AM »
Pundit  - i told you BBI crew are propping Mdvd to lock out Ruto in Luhya. I see them on Youtube with Weta hammering Ruto with kabila-mbili  :) will post later. I expect ODM to "reach a deal" with Mdvd and step down for ANC in Matungu in Handshake spirit. Mdvd-Weta will be feasting on Ruto for extending kabila mbili selfishness to 100 years.
Obviously weta is feeling the heat in kabuchai...the weak are all merging because they have no message or momentum.Weta will take you where...party of 4 mps...with 3 against him.Matungu is btw odm and Uda.Peter Were is real thug..and Echeza will have to deal with him.Madvd will see nothing in Matungu.At least kabuchai is btw weta majimbo and Ruto kaikai.Madvd outside vihiga margolis is absent

i thought Matungu is in Vihiga county- Mdvd Maragoli stronghold
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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2021, 11:56:20 AM »
No- Matungu is Mumias town - on your way to Busia.

It starts from Mayoni ( Echeza Islamic slum of Wanga and Nubians) - from old British military base -after making deal with Nabongo Mumia

Then it goes south toward Busia - Nambale (Amos Wako/Chris Okumu home)

I think probably mixed - with Wangas on the north - and maramas or oparanya people on the south.

Ruto has Echeza and Mumias East Mp Washiali - in his wanga front.

It's definitely going to get violent - because Were is very violent -- and so is Echeza.

Malala is a wanga-luo I think and will also be in the mix for maDVD

i thought Matungu is in Vihiga county- Mdvd Maragoli stronghold

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2021, 12:16:04 PM »
Sounds like lethal mix. These coordinated attacks are signature Baba - he is attacking Ruto nationally over Jubilee mess - as Uhuru, Kalonzo, Mdvds go tribal. Mdvd-Weta unity is telling- looks choreographed after Weta was cornered by Dr Eseli- Wamunyinyi- Wangamati. Don't be surprised if ODM retreat and back Mdvd... it worth it for them to humble Ruto. But I don't know the ground details like you so let us see.

How come Lusaka is MIA in Kabuchai? - he was governor there.
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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2021, 12:33:24 PM »
BBI crew are not sitting idle or "hopping from one bar to another" as Ruto run circles. Hubris will kill you. Raila has completely wrecked MV Jubilee and has serious game in Gema - which was Ruto's biggest stronghold outside URP. Now he is orchestrating kabila-mbili to fend off Ruto offensive in non-Gema. One or two Giddy might be delusional but Baba asha wapanga. BBI is blank cheque... even omena like Mutua will pretend to run for PORK then last-minute go for Machakos MP in BBI tent.

This openly class vs tribe .. Raila vs Ruto

Again Kalonzo started attacking Ruto because he can see Ruto circling Machakos and Makueni. For now Ruto is not interested in negotiation. That will happen in 2022. The NASA crew together with deep state are not campaigning. But hoping from one bar to the other - organizing how they can split position in post BBI kenya. That is dumb strategy. Ground game hakuna.

Ruto is right now finishing Raila in coast, attacking Kalonzo in Ukambani, overrunning Weta in Bungoma, and fighting both Raila and maDVD in Kakamega - and also trying to keep some allies in Gusii despite Matiangi going round claiming to be waiting to be endorsed by Uhuru.

This he is doing while defending GEMA from Kieleweke assault.

This Ruto will add to Kamatusa+somali reliable base.

And come 2022 - he will probably need to negotiate with one person for DPORK.


Kalonzo is a have-been but Ruto fighting him tooth and nail? What does that mean? Ruto should spend time with Sonko and Muthama and other have-beens instead of fighting another have-been Kalonzo. Kalonzo has little to loose but Ruto can loose everything including impeachment. He has succeeded in reuniting dead horse NASA. Not to mention Jubilee deep state.
I desire to go to hell and not to heaven. In the former place I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings, and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks, and apostles. ~ Niccolo Machiavelli on his deathbed, June 1527

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2021, 01:23:03 PM »

RV Pundit , Its about time you put Robina in her place , this Doink the clown ish is overwhelming.

BBI crew are not sitting idle or "hopping from one bar to another" as Ruto run circles. Hubris will kill you. Raila has completely wrecked MV Jubilee and has serious game in Gema - which was Ruto's biggest stronghold outside URP. Now he is orchestrating kabila-mbili to fend off Ruto offensive in non-Gema. One or two Giddy might be delusional but Baba asha wapanga. BBI is blank cheque... even omena like Mutua will pretend to run for PORK then last-minute go for Machakos MP in BBI tent.

This openly class vs tribe .. Raila vs Ruto

Again Kalonzo started attacking Ruto because he can see Ruto circling Machakos and Makueni. For now Ruto is not interested in negotiation. That will happen in 2022. The NASA crew together with deep state are not campaigning. But hoping from one bar to the other - organizing how they can split position in post BBI kenya. That is dumb strategy. Ground game hakuna.

Ruto is right now finishing Raila in coast, attacking Kalonzo in Ukambani, overrunning Weta in Bungoma, and fighting both Raila and maDVD in Kakamega - and also trying to keep some allies in Gusii despite Matiangi going round claiming to be waiting to be endorsed by Uhuru.

This he is doing while defending GEMA from Kieleweke assault.

This Ruto will add to Kamatusa+somali reliable base.

And come 2022 - he will probably need to negotiate with one person for DPORK.


Kalonzo is a have-been but Ruto fighting him tooth and nail? What does that mean? Ruto should spend time with Sonko and Muthama and other have-beens instead of fighting another have-been Kalonzo. Kalonzo has little to loose but Ruto can loose everything including impeachment. He has succeeded in reuniting dead horse NASA. Not to mention Jubilee deep state.

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2021, 01:55:59 PM »
 :o kindly repost in English. I believe Pundit appreciates vibrant tackles not journalism.


RV Pundit , Its about time you put Robina in her place , this Doink the clown ish is overwhelming.

BBI crew are not sitting idle or "hopping from one bar to another" as Ruto run circles. Hubris will kill you. Raila has completely wrecked MV Jubilee and has serious game in Gema - which was Ruto's biggest stronghold outside URP. Now he is orchestrating kabila-mbili to fend off Ruto offensive in non-Gema. One or two Giddy might be delusional but Baba asha wapanga. BBI is blank cheque... even omena like Mutua will pretend to run for PORK then last-minute go for Machakos MP in BBI tent.

This openly class vs tribe .. Raila vs Ruto

Again Kalonzo started attacking Ruto because he can see Ruto circling Machakos and Makueni. For now Ruto is not interested in negotiation. That will happen in 2022. The NASA crew together with deep state are not campaigning. But hoping from one bar to the other - organizing how they can split position in post BBI kenya. That is dumb strategy. Ground game hakuna.

Ruto is right now finishing Raila in coast, attacking Kalonzo in Ukambani, overrunning Weta in Bungoma, and fighting both Raila and maDVD in Kakamega - and also trying to keep some allies in Gusii despite Matiangi going round claiming to be waiting to be endorsed by Uhuru.

This he is doing while defending GEMA from Kieleweke assault.

This Ruto will add to Kamatusa+somali reliable base.

And come 2022 - he will probably need to negotiate with one person for DPORK.


Kalonzo is a have-been but Ruto fighting him tooth and nail? What does that mean? Ruto should spend time with Sonko and Muthama and other have-beens instead of fighting another have-been Kalonzo. Kalonzo has little to loose but Ruto can loose everything including impeachment. He has succeeded in reuniting dead horse NASA. Not to mention Jubilee deep state.
I desire to go to hell and not to heaven. In the former place I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings, and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks, and apostles. ~ Niccolo Machiavelli on his deathbed, June 1527

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2021, 03:08:04 PM »
Sounds like lethal mix. These coordinated attacks are signature Baba - he is attacking Ruto nationally over Jubilee mess - as Uhuru, Kalonzo, Mdvds go tribal. Mdvd-Weta unity is telling- looks choreographed after Weta was cornered by Dr Eseli- Wamunyinyi- Wangamati. Don't be surprised if ODM retreat and back Mdvd... it worth it for them to humble Ruto. But I don't know the ground details like you so let us see.

How come Lusaka is MIA in Kabuchai? - he was governor there.

Matungu will go either ODM or ANC. It is yet to get clear.... some boardroom negotiations are on-going and Were (ODM) may just let it be for ANC to allow for the handshake/BBI camaraderie... Were will come back and easily take it in the proper General Election in 2022.

Kabuchai will go to Ford K.... Weta will get a respite from Eseli- Wamunyinyi- Wangamati triumvirate for the sake of BBI. Kakai was potentially actually a strong candidate but his chosen party will let him down... plus he is being asked to go vie in Maragoli where apparently his father originated from.

Forget the Hustler nonsense.... this is where it will get clear to Ruto that he is selling snake oil in Luhya Land.

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2021, 03:18:07 PM »
Contradictory.
Hustler Nation is so strong you're wishing all candidates combines against Hustlers.
If Hustler Nation is weak - why do ANC/ODM need to merge? Why does Weta-and Ford-Kenya crew need to reconcile on face of it.
Prepare for serious battle -because Ruto nows what winning in Bungoma, Kakamega, Nakuru (two MCAs) and Machakos will mean.
I wish we had Nairobi too.
Those would be top 5 counties population wise - only Kiambu would miss - Mombasa we already had Msawbeni.

If NASA brigade are not prepared with millions - Ruto will flood Kabuchai, Matungu and Machakos with money


Matungu will go either ODM or ANC. It is yet to get clear.... some boardroom negotiations are on-going and Were (ODM) may just let it be for ANC to allow for the handshake/BBI camaraderie... Were will come back and easily take it in the proper General Election in 2022.

Kabuchai will go to Ford K.... Weta will get a respite from Eseli- Wamunyinyi- Wangamati triumvirate for the sake of BBI. Kakai was potentially actually a strong candidate but his chosen party will let him down... plus he is being asked to go vie in Maragoli where apparently his father originated from.

Forget the Hustler nonsense.... this is where it will get clear to Ruto that he is selling snake oil in Luhya Land.

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2021, 03:27:25 PM »
Contradictory.
Hustler Nation is so strong you're wishing all candidates combines against Hustlers.
If Hustler Nation is weak - why do ANC/ODM need to merge? Why does Weta-and Ford-Kenya crew need to reconcile on face of it.
Prepare for serious battle -because Ruto nows what winning in Bungoma, Kakamega, Nakuru (two MCAs) and Machakos will mean.
I wish we had Nairobi too.
Those would be top 5 counties population wise - only Kiambu would miss - Mombasa we already had Msawbeni.

If NASA brigade are not prepared with millions - Ruto will flood Kabuchai, Matungu and Machakos with money


Matungu will go either ODM or ANC. It is yet to get clear.... some boardroom negotiations are on-going and Were (ODM) may just let it be for ANC to allow for the handshake/BBI camaraderie... Were will come back and easily take it in the proper General Election in 2022.

Kabuchai will go to Ford K.... Weta will get a respite from Eseli- Wamunyinyi- Wangamati triumvirate for the sake of BBI. Kakai was potentially actually a strong candidate but his chosen party will let him down... plus he is being asked to go vie in Maragoli where apparently his father originated from.

Forget the Hustler nonsense.... this is where it will get clear to Ruto that he is selling snake oil in Luhya Land.

Of course it is bad for the narrative and the public optics to let UDA slip through because 2 strong candidates split votes by going for each other's throat. Even in Msambweni, ODM should just have let Bader run but Joho personal beef with him came in the way and he found ready embrace in UDA. It is what it is... and it would be stupid/foolish for the fellows not to see this sense. Tangatanga noise levels will soar to Cloud9 stratosphere if it were to take any of these 2 seats!

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2021, 03:36:54 PM »
The stakes are very high. Ruto has been in Matungu and Kabuchai long before by-election. MaDVD, Raila, Kalonzo and Weta are strangers in their own stronghold. This is when you'll discover behind tangatanga noise - is lots of hardwork.

I see Ruto harvesting because he is not new on the ground. His message has resonated. In both place he has probably more Mps than competitor.

In Bungoma - He has all the Mps save for maybe 2 ( Wamunyinyi and Eseli). The two Mps in ford-k don't even support Weta. Now add to fact that Lusaka and Wangamati would love nothing than cut Weta feet's. Ruto gave Lusaka the Speaker job.

In Kakamega - The story is the same - Majority of Mps are with Ruto.  The Wangas knows Ruto has been their friend - with Benjamin Wasiali the Jubilee Chief Whip and Echeza the Minister. So don't think the lazy boy from Maragoli land who has not even tarmack the road to his rural home will get space. The Wangas will chart their own course..

In Machakos - The story is almost the same. Ruto has heavy shifter from Kangundo Muthama as the UDA chairman. Sonko 2nd home is Machakos and he is going to be want to show Uhuru the middle finger and possibly establish himself for 2022 run in Machakos. Ruto has some Mps including Victor Munyaka who is no pushover. Ruto will finish off with poor Kaloi assuming Mutua doesn't finish him.

Obviously all the 3 - Weta-Kalonzo-MaDVD - will resort to tribal politics - and try the kabila mbili.

Ruto will neutralize them with Hustler Nation (Kabila mbili ya matajari na maskini) and of course money will flow.

Of course it is bad for the narrative and the public optics to let UDA slip through because 2 strong candidates split votes by going for each other's throat. Even in Msambweni, ODM should just have let Bader run but Joho personal beef with him came in the way and he found ready embrace in UDA. It is what it is... and it would be stupid/foolish for the fellows not to see this sense. Tangatanga noise levels will soar to Cloud9 stratosphere if it were to take any of these 2 seats!

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2021, 05:29:58 PM »





We very know who Kenyans trump is , its Raila who .as Trump lead an insurrection this year Jan similarly Raila sweared himself in a President in January 2018.
Kalonzo being Railas deputy was not Magnamus enough to do a Pence. Bure Kabisa.





Kalonzo compares Ruto to Donald Trump

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2021, 05:39:40 PM »

Kalonzo is playing into Rutos trap. Ruto knows almost half of Kamba Nation supported Ruto in 2010 referendumn. Secondly unlike Raila who betrayed Kambas in 2007 and after 2017 and Kibaki and Uhuru in 2013 . Ruto does not have that title of a betrayer in Kamba nation . And Lastly Kamba and Rift Valley have worked together in the past during Mois era   those were some of  the best times in Kamaba Nation when they formwd 1/3rd of Civil service and a thord of Kenya forces.

Kalonzo wont know what hit him he is on the verge of becoming what Mudavadi is to Western. Miscalculating just like in 2013 where he would be now having inherited the Mt Kenya. Instead of enderaing to his cousins Mt Kenya he put an all out war for the last 10 years and now he is seen as a persona non granta just like Raila even in Easter  Mt Kenya where they more or less speak similar language with Embu and share same names like Merus.

I hope he doesn't lose machakos because Ruto is knocking on his door...hence the panic

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2021, 06:24:50 PM »
Robina , you are over estimating the current Kalonzo, This is a person who got almost a million votes in 2007 elections , Now 10 years later this is the amount of votes he managed to bring to Raila  bearing in mind there was a population growth in between.

2017 Raila/Kalonzo in Machakos 380,018(80% of valid votes cast)  UhuRuto in Machakos 82,629 (20% of valid votes cast)
2017 Raila/Kalonzo in Kitui 287,293(80% of valid votes cast)  UhuRuto in Kitui 64,252 (20% of valid votes cast)
2017 Raila/Kalonzo in Makueni 301,126(90% of valid votes cast)  UhuRuto in Makueni 27,388  (10% of valid votes cast)

As for MPs In Kitui Jubilee coalition bagged 3 seats where as Wiper bagged 5
As for MPs in Machakos Jubilee coalition bagged 2 seats and Wiper 5 Seats and the other 2 Non Affiliated parties
As for Mps in Makueni Wiper bagged 5 and Non Afiliated parties bagged 2.

So for an upstart lets give Wiper and Kalonzo 80% of the votes in the upcomming Machakos Senatorial elections and we see if he will add to that or he will go a downward trajectory. Your guess is as good as mine.


 




it not panic but tact. Ruto attempt to go to Ukambani hence the urgency to expose his true colors. The pretend emotions and anger are to incite Kamba. I told you this will be Ruto vs Kalonzo with Muthama & Mutua & Kivuthas as midgets. They picked Muthama wife to neuter his bile as everyone get reminded he is a failure in his own small homestead let alone big Kamba. Muthama will not be able to attack Kalonzo nor defend Ruto - a jilted wife can be brutal

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Re: Kalonzo goes for Ruto jugular over kabila-mbili & sleaze
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2021, 06:39:09 PM »
Kalonzo is barren. I think Machakos and Makueni can go - and he will remain with Kitui - where Ngilu is in quid pro quid with him

Kalonzo is playing into Rutos trap. Ruto knows almost half of Kamba Nation supported Ruto in 2010 referendumn. Secondly unlike Raila who betrayed Kambas in 2007 and after 2017 and Kibaki and Uhuru in 2013 . Ruto does not have that title of a betrayer in Kamba nation . And Lastly Kamba and Rift Valley have worked together in the past during Mois era   those were some of  the best times in Kamaba Nation when they formwd 1/3rd of Civil service and a thord of Kenya forces.

Kalonzo wont know what hit him he is on the verge of becoming what Mudavadi is to Western. Miscalculating just like in 2013 where he would be now having inherited the Mt Kenya. Instead of enderaing to his cousins Mt Kenya he put an all out war for the last 10 years and now he is seen as a persona non granta just like Raila even in Easter  Mt Kenya where they more or less speak similar language with Embu and share same names like Merus.

I hope he doesn't lose machakos because Ruto is knocking on his door...hence the panic